I don't subscribe to the notion that every character in an RPG needs to start out looking like a peasant clone.
I want to start out as a naked baby and work my way up from there.
But you should really look into some of the microtransactions Squeenix is doingg for DE: Mankind Divided.
IDK if you've played the previous DE but the whole roleplaying aspect of it revolves around unlocking augments that define your abilities and play style. You do this in the game by finding praxis kits... or buying them with in-game currency or earning them through XP.
However with this new one you can also buy those in the cash shop/
Which leads me to my prediction about the future of gaming:
Soon we'll be able to buy and play the basic game as usual. But if you don't have the time to really play it, for an additional $100 you get to unlock all the achievements, get a digital certificate of completion and a "talking points" document that enables you to discuss the game semi-intelligently as if you had actually played it.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
If the microtransactions do not effect my game play. (more so in a single player game) I have zero issues with it. I just ignore it and play the game.
If it's not the case already, very soon "ignore and play" will be the only option if you want to play at all.
It's sort of like going to the movies if you like pop-corn. You need to ignore that a bag of pop-corn really isn't worth $10. I suppose I can always feel good about that concession stand worker having a job and a home and food on his table because he gets most of that $10... at least I can pretend he does
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I don't subscribe to the notion that every character in an RPG needs to start out looking like a peasant clone.
I want to start out as a naked baby and work my way up from there.
But you should really look into some of the microtransactions Squeenix is doingg for DE: Mankind Divided.
IDK if you've played the previous DE but the whole roleplaying aspect of it revolves around unlocking augments that define your abilities and play style. You do this in the game by finding praxis kits... or buying them with in-game currency or earning them through XP.
However with this new one you can also buy those in the cash shop/
Which leads me to my prediction about the future of gaming:
Soon we'll be able to buy and play the basic game as usual. But if you don't have the time to really play it, for an additional $100 you get to unlock all the achievements, get a digital certificate of completion and a "talking points" document that enables you to discuss the game semi-intelligently as if you had actually played it.
Yeah but those microtransactions in Deus Ex MD did not effect my game whatsoever. Just like they didn't in Assassin's Creed: Syndicate. It may come across a bit sketchy but at the same time game prices have remained stagnant for 20+ years while production costs have risen. Perhaps the residual income from these microtransactions have led to the development of sequels by helping with the production costs. If the microtransactions do not effect my game play. (more so in a single player game) I have zero issues with it. I just ignore it and play the game.
I tend to find the whole microtransaction thing kind of silly.
I agree with you in principle. But I draw the line when it comes to gambling style monetization.
There is zero place for that in games where we have young minds that are being molded.
For me "it doesn't affect me/you" is not a good argument. Monetization methods affect behavioral patterns of players and affect players psychological in how they view other players and their general approach to the game. Because I am expecting to play with other people in an MMO, even if I try to ignore it, it will still affect me because of how it will change other people.
To be fair, it's a true enough statement that lockboxes tend to make more money than selling the components in the store directly, even if the lockboxes are cheaper to buy/unlock per-item.
The "why" of that point is what has people hung up. Something semantically cheaper per use to utilize causing a greater net cost to the consumers by virtue of random reward is an aspect that can very quickly turn people off since it plays directly into the gambling mindset and user habits.
On that element too there also arepsychological factors to consider since they are elements that interact with the user's gaming experience.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
For me "it doesn't affect me/you" is not a good argument. Monetization methods affect behavioral patterns of players and affect players psychological in how they view other players and their general approach to the game. Because I am expecting to play with other people in an MMO, even if I try to ignore it, it will still affect me because of how it will change other people.
I don't agree with that at all. Monetization methods affect player behavior? I don't believe that for a second. For SOME people it might. Yet that is not a blanket statement nor will it ever be.
How can you say that in a thread where people are unsubscribing to a game that monetized cosmetic casino lock boxes?
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
I can think of a couple of examples. One is when wow started selling the celestial steed. Players that bought it were viewed differently by some players that did not and sometimes this led to them being made fun of. I personally don't remember any discrimination, like not inviting someone to a raid, but I don't think that it's outside of the realm of possibility.
Another example is a game where you have lock boxes and keys. You can purchase the keys or try to earn them in game. A player might be incentivized to participate in activities that are more effective for a key vs activities that less effective, even if the activities that do are not all that fun. Like let's say killing mobs rewards a key but pvp doesn't, so the player would do less pvp and grind more mobs. Forgive me if I'm wrong because I haven't played it in years, but I think GW2 has something like this.
I know that these are different cases than eso, but I believe there is an effect, however subtle. For example a player who spent a lot of money but didn't get what he wanted might feel frustrated and this can affect his behavior in game.
What I mean to say is that on some level the monetization influences how players will approach a game and their attitude. I believe this is true for all players. I also believe that changes in monetization can lead to changes in the players base. I don't have hard evidence for this, but it is my feeling and opinion.
Looking at it from the point of view of it only affecting some players. I say that since there is a case for some players being affected that means "it doesn't affect you" is not a good argument for or against a particular method of monetization because you can't know who is affected and who is not.
For me "it doesn't affect me/you" is not a good argument. Monetization methods affect behavioral patterns of players and affect players psychological in how they view other players and their general approach to the game. Because I am expecting to play with other people in an MMO, even if I try to ignore it, it will still affect me because of how it will change other people.
I don't agree with that at all. Monetization methods affect player behavior? I don't believe that for a second. For SOME people it might. Yet that is not a blanket statement nor will it ever be.
How can you say that in a thread where people are unsubscribing to a game that monetized cosmetic casino lock boxes?
For me "it doesn't affect me/you" is not a good argument. Monetization
methods affect behavioral patterns of players and affect players
psychological in how they view other players and their general approach
to the game.
That is his quote. You agree with that? He is talking about the behavior of PLAYERS of a game not quiters of a game. Big difference.
Those quitters used to be players whos behavior is a result of monetization.
"You CAN'T buy ships for RL money." - MaxBacon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
I don't subscribe to the notion that every character in an RPG needs to start out looking like a peasant clone.
I want to start out as a naked baby and work my way up from there.
But you should really look into some of the microtransactions Squeenix is doingg for DE: Mankind Divided.
IDK if you've played the previous DE but the whole roleplaying aspect of it revolves around unlocking augments that define your abilities and play style. You do this in the game by finding praxis kits... or buying them with in-game currency or earning them through XP.
However with this new one you can also buy those in the cash shop/
Which leads me to my prediction about the future of gaming:
Soon we'll be able to buy and play the basic game as usual. But if you don't have the time to really play it, for an additional $100 you get to unlock all the achievements, get a digital certificate of completion and a "talking points" document that enables you to discuss the game semi-intelligently as if you had actually played it.
Yeah but those microtransactions in Deus Ex MD did not effect my game whatsoever. Just like they didn't in Assassin's Creed: Syndicate. It may come across a bit sketchy but at the same time game prices have remained stagnant for 20+ years while production costs have risen. Perhaps the residual income from these microtransactions have led to the development of sequels by helping with the production costs. If the microtransactions do not effect my game play. (more so in a single player game) I have zero issues with it. I just ignore it and play the game.
I tend to find the whole microtransaction thing kind of silly.
I agree with you in principle. But I draw the line when it comes to gambling style monetization.
There is zero place for that in games where we have young minds that are being molded.
I agree that there are impressionable minds that play games but the facts point to the average age of gamers to be in the 30's. That is who is more than anyone buying these items. There should be more concern with questionable monetization in the mobile sector which is the largest gaming market and the one with the most kids playing. Not MMOs. Or two 'M' rated games like Deus Ex MD or AC Syndicate.
I draw no distinction between MMO's, Mobile games, or M rated games.
They are all videogames.
All the people 30+ playing video games now, played them as children too. M rated games are still purchasable by minors.
There isn't a positive thing you can say for gambling style monetization in video games. I think we're at a time when the vast majority of children in the west play video games so what the hell are we thinking putting gambling style mechanics and monetization in our video games?
The gaming industry is just catching up with corporate America so the short answer to your question is YES!
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But you should really look into some of the microtransactions Squeenix is doingg for DE: Mankind Divided.
IDK if you've played the previous DE but the whole roleplaying aspect of it revolves around unlocking augments that define your abilities and play style. You do this in the game by finding praxis kits... or buying them with in-game currency or earning them through XP.
However with this new one you can also buy those in the cash shop/
Which leads me to my prediction about the future of gaming:
Soon we'll be able to buy and play the basic game as usual. But if you don't have the time to really play it, for an additional $100 you get to unlock all the achievements, get a digital certificate of completion and a "talking points" document that enables you to discuss the game semi-intelligently as if you had actually played it.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
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It's sort of like going to the movies if you like pop-corn. You need to ignore that a bag of pop-corn really isn't worth $10. I suppose I can always feel good about that concession stand worker having a job and a home and food on his table because he gets most of that $10... at least I can pretend he does
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I agree with you in principle. But I draw the line when it comes to gambling style monetization.
There is zero place for that in games where we have young minds that are being molded.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
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The "why" of that point is what has people hung up. Something semantically cheaper per use to utilize causing a greater net cost to the consumers by virtue of random reward is an aspect that can very quickly turn people off since it plays directly into the gambling mindset and user habits.
On that element too there also are psychological factors to consider since they are elements that interact with the user's gaming experience.
"The knowledge of the theory of logic has no tendency whatever to make men good reasoners." - Thomas B. Macaulay
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
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Another example is a game where you have lock boxes and keys. You can purchase the keys or try to earn them in game. A player might be incentivized to participate in activities that are more effective for a key vs activities that less effective, even if the activities that do are not all that fun. Like let's say killing mobs rewards a key but pvp doesn't, so the player would do less pvp and grind more mobs. Forgive me if I'm wrong because I haven't played it in years, but I think GW2 has something like this.
I know that these are different cases than eso, but I believe there is an effect, however subtle. For example a player who spent a lot of money but didn't get what he wanted might feel frustrated and this can affect his behavior in game.
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Looking at it from the point of view of it only affecting some players. I say that since there is a case for some players being affected that means "it doesn't affect you" is not a good argument for or against a particular method of monetization because you can't know who is affected and who is not.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
They are all videogames.
All the people 30+ playing video games now, played them as children too. M rated games are still purchasable by minors.
There isn't a positive thing you can say for gambling style monetization in video games. I think we're at a time when the vast majority of children in the west play video games so what the hell are we thinking putting gambling style mechanics and monetization in our video games?
Have our ethics really sunk that low?
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
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