Anyone know why the Radeon HD series is like 4x more expensive then the R9 series? And it looks like the R9 series is better.
Radeon HD?
Those are AMD's graphic cards from 2013 or earlier. I can't comment on price without knowing what model you're talking about, but if you want to game with your computer avoid those cards.
I don't know what case is for that motherboard or what kind of cooling I will need. Could someone assist with this or if there is anything severely wrong with the compatability of my selection please let me know.
I don't know what case is for that motherboard or what kind of cooling I will need. Could someone assist with this or if there is anything severely wrong with the compatability of my selection please let me know.
I don't know what case is for that motherboard or what kind of cooling I will need. Could someone assist with this or if there is anything severely wrong with the compatability of my selection please let me know.
That will work, once you get an OS on there. I won't say anything past that
To answer your questions more directly:
That is a micro ATX motherboard. That means it will fit into any ATX or microATX case
The CPU will come with a heatsink. It will be barely adequate in a very well ventilated case, but it will work. For about $30 I usually recommend a Cooler Master Hyper 212 (or similar style). It's big enough to cool pretty much any CPU well, inexpensive for the performance, and can even hang with moderate overclocks. it is a bit large though and won't fit in really small cases.
Anyone know why the Radeon HD series is like 4x more expensive then the R9 series? And it looks like the R9 series is better.
Radeon HD anything is at least three generations before the current. Anything that was a reasonable price on those cards sold out and wasn't replaced a long time ago. So what's left in stock is stuff that was overpriced enough not to sell a few years ago and probably hasn't seen a price cut since then. There would be the same effect if you looked for, say, GeForce 500 series cards.
I don't know what case is for that motherboard or what kind of cooling I will need. Could someone assist with this or if there is anything severely wrong with the compatability of my selection please let me know.
A hard drive that is 7+ years old could die any day now.
You want two memory modules, not one, as otherwise, you cut your memory bandwidth in half. 8 GB is enough memory, but if 8 GB is what you want, get it as a pair of 4 GB modules, not a single 8 GB module.
You're also going to need an operating system. If you want to buy Windows, that's $100.
A hard drive that is 7+ years old could die any day now.
You want two memory modules, not one, as otherwise, you cut your memory bandwidth in half. 8 GB is enough memory, but if 8 GB is what you want, get it as a pair of 4 GB modules, not a single 8 GB module.
You're also going to need an operating system. If you want to buy Windows, that's $100.
Maybe this for HDD and its 32mb cache instead of that 16.
I have been gaming on a MSI laptop that uses GTX 960M
From What I can see this desktop build is faster then what I'm currently using. Even though that wasn't my goal. Only difference that i see is the i7 5200HQ is much better cpu but I don't think the desktop has a bottleneck with that AMD processor.
Will I need any ribbons, heatsink paste, hdd mount bracket, anything like this?
I don't know what case is for that motherboard or what kind of cooling I will need. Could someone assist with this or if there is anything severely wrong with the compatability of my selection please let me know.
1) Single memory module is fine, memory bandwidth is merely a paper stat(just like SSD transfer speeds) with no relevance on performance apart from integrated graphics which you are not using anyway.
However your problem is speed of that module - 1333MHz is below what that CPU needs.
Otherwise the rig looks very decent, you are still missing an OS though and I would strongly recommend getting a retail version, not OEM that is bound to HW with first activation.
Do not get scared away by naysayers, the system is reasonably potent. Cooling will be more than fine, any boxed CPU supply sufficient cooler, with 845 tho, you are getting same cooler as 95W Athlons, so you have plenty of headroom.
I don't know what case is for that motherboard or what kind of cooling I will need. Could someone assist with this or if there is anything severely wrong with the compatability of my selection please let me know.
I was looking around to build a $300 system that can play those games new but... I give up. I see a path, but I would not suggest it since you are cheaping out on parts or I think it would be a cool experiment but I am not sure how it will work out. Like I can grab nearly full system and add in the GPU for under $300, but it uses a terrible PSU. Or I can put together an AM1 system that may work, or you might have to OC it. I would not feel right suggesting such a system. You can always go the APU route with an A10, or you can buy used. That's probably the best path.
I think your best bet is to get a console. I know you said you have a lot of PC games already. But the truth is, most of those games(console) will go on sale by the time you get that PC. Not to mention you won't have to upgrade for at least a good while. A $300 new tower is going to struggle running higher end games like Battlefront. It will also struggle to run most newer games that come out in a year or two. So once again you will have to either buy a newer computer or upgrade. While a new PS4 or X1 will run it no problem.
My advice is consider this option. In the long run it will be cheaper. Good luck to you either way and do let us know what you plan on doing :-)
One important difference between console and PC is that the business model is totally different. If you get a PC, the hardware sellers are trying to make money off of selling the hardware. If you get a console, Microsoft and Sony aren't actually trying to make money by selling the console. Thus, you get the hardware for a cheaper price.
You pay for it on the other end, though, as Microsoft and Sony get a cut of all game sales for their consoles. Thus, games tend to be more expensive on consoles than on PC. The discounted console price is to get you to buy their console and then later they get money off of you when you buy games.
While you're right about the hardware priority. I have to disagree with you about expensive software/games. I really don't think you've considered how cheap used games are for consoles. Not to mention you can trade in your games for others. Something we cannot do on PC (at least in the US). The consoles also have digital games that go on sale all the time. In the end i doubt the console will end up costing more than the PC. Afterall, you won't be upgrading your console in two years.
Used games you are correct - they can be pretty affordable - if your willing to wait and pick it up used. Although the popular games, even used, you may save $5 over the retail price.
Most console games are $60 US, a few drop lower, but not many. And they don't go on sale terribly often.
Compare that to, say, Steam, which discounts all the time, and only a few AAA titles start out in the $60 range - and even those, if you are willing to wait, will drop significantly in price. And the heaps of F2P games on the PC, compared to the... maybe dozen or so? available on the console.
But, there isn't really a used market for the PC either.
As far as upgrading your console in 2 years.... really? Neo? Scorpio? NX? 3DS XL? The last generation of consoles didn't upgrade often, but I think that's very much an exception to the rule - consoles upgrade all the time.
I'm not really understanding what you're getting at with the new games will be expensive. New released games on PC also sell for $50-$60 and usually take a few months before they hit a discount. By that point you will be able to easily buy that game used on console. You can even rent games from services like Gamefly. Even brand new games. Definitely can' t do that on PC. I'm guessing it's something I'm sure you didn't consider.
As far as the Scorpio and the Xbox's new system. Both companies have said that they are not necessary upgrades and they will not divide the fanbase. Both current systems and Scoprio etc. will run the same games. So I have to say you're very wrong on this subject. Because there is no need to upgrade to those systems in 2 years.
I will attempt to transfer the windows 7-64 from my broken laptop but we will see how that works out. My kids favorite game won't play on windows 10. If not I can get brand new box for 50$ if it won't activate.
So from what I'm understanding this power supply won't need any extra adapters so long as I choose this GFX card?
I think your best bet is to get a console. I know you said you have a lot of PC games already. But the truth is, most of those games(console) will go on sale by the time you get that PC. Not to mention you won't have to upgrade for at least a good while. A $300 new tower is going to struggle running higher end games like Battlefront. It will also struggle to run most newer games that come out in a year or two. So once again you will have to either buy a newer computer or upgrade. While a new PS4 or X1 will run it no problem.
My advice is consider this option. In the long run it will be cheaper. Good luck to you either way and do let us know what you plan on doing :-)
One important difference between console and PC is that the business model is totally different. If you get a PC, the hardware sellers are trying to make money off of selling the hardware. If you get a console, Microsoft and Sony aren't actually trying to make money by selling the console. Thus, you get the hardware for a cheaper price.
You pay for it on the other end, though, as Microsoft and Sony get a cut of all game sales for their consoles. Thus, games tend to be more expensive on consoles than on PC. The discounted console price is to get you to buy their console and then later they get money off of you when you buy games.
While you're right about the hardware priority. I have to disagree with you about expensive software/games. I really don't think you've considered how cheap used games are for consoles. Not to mention you can trade in your games for others. Something we cannot do on PC (at least in the US). The consoles also have digital games that go on sale all the time. In the end i doubt the console will end up costing more than the PC. Afterall, you won't be upgrading your console in two years.
Used games you are correct - they can be pretty affordable - if your willing to wait and pick it up used. Although the popular games, even used, you may save $5 over the retail price.
Most console games are $60 US, a few drop lower, but not many. And they don't go on sale terribly often.
Compare that to, say, Steam, which discounts all the time, and only a few AAA titles start out in the $60 range - and even those, if you are willing to wait, will drop significantly in price. And the heaps of F2P games on the PC, compared to the... maybe dozen or so? available on the console.
But, there isn't really a used market for the PC either.
As far as upgrading your console in 2 years.... really? Neo? Scorpio? NX? 3DS XL? The last generation of consoles didn't upgrade often, but I think that's very much an exception to the rule - consoles upgrade all the time.
I'm not really understanding what you're getting at with the new games will be expensive. New released games on PC also sell for $50-$60 and usually take a few months before they hit a discount. By that point you will be able to easily buy that game used on console. You can even rent games from services like Gamefly. Even brand new games. Definitely can' t do that on PC. I'm guessing it's something I'm sure you didn't consider.
As far as the Scorpio and the Xbox's new system. Both companies have said that they are not necessary upgrades and they will not divide the fanbase. Both current systems and Scoprio etc. will run the same games. So I have to say you're very wrong on this subject. Because there is no need to upgrade to those systems in 2 years.
A console??? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I have to say, telling someone to buy a console is a really silly solution. As to game prices, just join steam or gog, they both have major discounts all the time so your game price argument falls flat. The new consoles are a definite upgrade, they are finally realizing they have to make some effort to keep up with the PC.
The major benefit to the PC, last years graphics card can be easily replaced, you are stuck with whatever the console has. My PC is 6 years old, but I just replace what I need to keep current, you can't do that with a console.
Consoles are for the digitally challenged, PC's are for real gamers. All you have to do is ask the kids, I constantly get bombarded by them to build them PCs because they like that medium far better than the console.
Sorry to filmoret for going off track, console bigots just irk me. What you last posted should work fine. Good luck with your PC build. Glad you got the better graphics card.
I don't know what case is for that motherboard or what kind of cooling I will need. Could someone assist with this or if there is anything severely wrong with the compatability of my selection please let me know.
Go here it will answer all your questions, show you the cheapest place to order the parts and even tell you if there is a conflict with the parts. They also have PC's that members have built if you want new idea's. This is literally one stop for everything related to building a pc.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
I really don't think you'll be happy with that CPU. It has a ghz close to my 4ghz i7, but according to benchmarks it's about half as effective. Ghz isn't everything.
I have the 950. It's decent and can run everything out currently, but not incredibly well.
I just really doubt you'll get decent results in the new Star Wars Battlefront or NMS with that CPU. Certainly not your goal of 60fps.
The problem with getting a CPU you might be unhappy with is if you want to upgrade it, you have to upgrade your motherboard too. That may also mean the RAM you get might not be great with that new motherboard.
I'm not saying you need to get an i7, but there are some good i5s at reasonable prices that I would suggest. Of course, they won't fit into a $300 build. Maybe a $400 build. Probably a $500 build.
I will attempt to transfer the windows 7-64 from my broken laptop but we will see how that works out. My kids favorite game won't play on windows 10. If not I can get brand new box for 50$ if it won't activate.
So from what I'm understanding this power supply won't need any extra adapters so long as I choose this GFX card?
Grabbed a better case according to reviews. Also just wondering once I hook everything up will the computer boot to bios or do I need to install it?
Need something for my son and probably going to purchase around november for Christmas. He will need 64 bit OS with a graphics card that has HDMI output so I can hook it up to the television. I have looked around and saw some refurbished items and a few other items but IDK if there is a better option like building one myself which I can do.
Games he wants to run at medium settings 60fps would be
Star Wars Battlefront, Ark Survival Evolved, No Man's Sky
Just wondering if 300$ is possible for something of this nature or do i need like 500$?
Looks like he will need at least GTX 660, Radeon HD 7850, i3 6300t for minimum system requirements.
Best advice i can give is to take a look at the potato masher YouTube build. (that being said, ARK is not a completed game, and it needs optimized heavily. My old system with a 500$ Video card ran at about 60 fps.) Battlefront and no man's sky prolly wouldn't be to bad.
It looks like that computer has 275W power supply. So even if you managed fit a new GPU to Dell's custom build small form case without causing trouble with overheating, the computer's power supply couldn't supply you with enough power.
It looks like that computer has 275W power supply. So even if you managed fit a new GPU to Dell's custom build small form case without causing trouble with overheating, the computer's power supply couldn't supply you with enough power.
Ah I hadn't considered that. It could be a problem then.
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Those are AMD's graphic cards from 2013 or earlier. I can't comment on price without knowing what model you're talking about, but if you want to game with your computer avoid those cards.
That is a micro ATX motherboard. That means it will fit into any ATX or microATX case
The CPU will come with a heatsink. It will be barely adequate in a very well ventilated case, but it will work. For about $30 I usually recommend a Cooler Master Hyper 212 (or similar style). It's big enough to cool pretty much any CPU well, inexpensive for the performance, and can even hang with moderate overclocks. it is a bit large though and won't fit in really small cases.
You want two memory modules, not one, as otherwise, you cut your memory bandwidth in half. 8 GB is enough memory, but if 8 GB is what you want, get it as a pair of 4 GB modules, not a single 8 GB module.
You're also going to need an operating system. If you want to buy Windows, that's $100.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4HM4SU6398
I have been gaming on a MSI laptop that uses GTX 960M
From What I can see this desktop build is faster then what I'm currently using. Even though that wasn't my goal. Only difference that i see is the i7 5200HQ is much better cpu but I don't think the desktop has a bottleneck with that AMD processor.
Will I need any ribbons, heatsink paste, hdd mount bracket, anything like this?
I think you'll need at least 1 adapter to connect that power supply to your new GPU:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007Y91B80/ref=pd_cp_0_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=Y1MBK7VVYWW12WJRTYR3
Alternatively get another power supply that has enough PCI 6 pin power connectors in it.
If you don't have a HDMI cable, you'll also need to purchase one to connect the system to your TV.
However your problem is speed of that module - 1333MHz is below what that CPU needs.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820156035
2) The HDD you linked is some refurbished piece. Is it intentional?
3) For just $10 more you can get GTX 950, which is much better pick.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487250&cm_re=gtx_950-_-14-487-250-_-Product
Otherwise the rig looks very decent, you are still missing an OS though and I would strongly recommend getting a retail version, not OEM that is bound to HW with first activation.
Do not get scared away by naysayers, the system is reasonably potent. Cooling will be more than fine, any boxed CPU supply sufficient cooler, with 845 tho, you are getting same cooler as 95W Athlons, so you have plenty of headroom.
Have fun!
Most of the games today are not cpu bound, but gpu bound, so if you want a better graphics, I would spend a bit more on a better graphics card.
You can always go the APU route with an A10, or you can buy used. That's probably the best path.
As far as the Scorpio and the Xbox's new system. Both companies have said that they are not necessary upgrades and they will not divide the fanbase. Both current systems and Scoprio etc. will run the same games. So I have to say you're very wrong on this subject. Because there is no need to upgrade to those systems in 2 years.
CPU Athlon X4 845 $66.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N83Z86709
GFX GTX 950 $120.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487204
MOBO $50.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128763
Power Supply 35$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438015
RAM 2x4 $33
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820156035
HDD 29$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4HM4SU6398
Case 27$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811553011
WIFI 7$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6J32WD5191&cm_re=wifi_card_for_desktop-_-9SIA6J32WD5191-_-Product
Keyboard $9
I will attempt to transfer the windows 7-64 from my broken laptop but we will see how that works out. My kids favorite game won't play on windows 10. If not I can get brand new box for 50$ if it won't activate.
So from what I'm understanding this power supply won't need any extra adapters so long as I choose this GFX card?
The major benefit to the PC, last years graphics card can be easily replaced, you are stuck with whatever the console has. My PC is 6 years old, but I just replace what I need to keep current, you can't do that with a console.
Consoles are for the digitally challenged, PC's are for real gamers. All you have to do is ask the kids, I constantly get bombarded by them to build them PCs because they like that medium far better than the console.
Sorry to filmoret for going off track, console bigots just irk me. What you last posted should work fine. Good luck with your PC build. Glad you got the better graphics card.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
I have the 950. It's decent and can run everything out currently, but not incredibly well.
I just really doubt you'll get decent results in the new Star Wars Battlefront or NMS with that CPU. Certainly not your goal of 60fps.
The problem with getting a CPU you might be unhappy with is if you want to upgrade it, you have to upgrade your motherboard too. That may also mean the RAM you get might not be great with that new motherboard.
I'm not saying you need to get an i7, but there are some good i5s at reasonable prices that I would suggest. Of course, they won't fit into a $300 build. Maybe a $400 build. Probably a $500 build.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-9010-MT-Win-7-Mini-Tower-Quad-Core-3-4-GHz-i5-3570-4GB-250GB-DVDRW-/291822069608?hash=item43f1f36768:g:~AcAAOSwdIFXyp0b
It comes with Windows 7 and i5-3570 is still a good gaming cpu today. $186.75 + free shipping
Then all you would need to do is buy a $100-$150 graphics card and you're good to go. Add another 4gb ram if you can.
Search ebay for i5 dell desktop to see more like these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_4052836093&feature=iv&src_vid=nkpYoLFpQYk&v=uZR-a35sxLg
http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/optiplex_9010_technical_guidebook.pdf
It looks like that computer has 275W power supply. So even if you managed fit a new GPU to Dell's custom build small form case without causing trouble with overheating, the computer's power supply couldn't supply you with enough power.