It's funny how lately every WoW expansion went from very positive to garbage. I think most of it has to do with the fact that WoW just isn't good enough compared to other MMOs, hell probably not even average nowadays.
What it does say is that Blizzard's marketing is still the best. Over and over again they keep pulling people back, even though the majority leaves very unsatisifed (but they still return every expansion hoping blizzard would do 360 on WoW!).
I stopped reading after this! I mean let's put it this way :
1) Tell us all who plays WOW, how WoW isn't good enough ... hell .. not even average nowadays ! I mean ..really? Now give us the other MMOs which are better compared to WoW. I asked this .."list" of other BETTER MMo's , pretty often those days in this forum, yet .. I received none! Hope you can delivery!
2) Another theory conspiracy here with their "Blizz marketing here, Blizzard marketing there...." . Now tell us all how the majority leaves very unsatisfied !
Yes, not every expansion was the best , but again, tell us another company which managed to get back on track and boost their player-base after *a-not-so-good-last-expansion*
No! Don't bullshit me with "marketing" , because no marketing in the world can hold a player interest this long , if the game was not even average anymore !
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@Nyctelios sure my opinion may be ... quite hypocritical for others who are not on the same ... "line" as me and that is .. normal I guess !
The logic is simple! Those who play and enjoy the game will always have a different opinion then the ones who don't . What do you expect?
About your last .. points, well .. you are very wrong! I am a VERY friendly person specially in-game where I help .. kinda many players , be it in dungeons, quests, etc . I of course go mad sometimes, especially when healers just .. /leave the dungeon in a mythics++ ( FUCK YOU ) !
I don't really think i "spit" haters left and right. On this site there are not many .. haters actually, just your typical several haters since .. a quite of time.
Eeexactly! There is NO creativity nor a common sense discussion with those ( I know you point-finger on me ) . I mean , one just wrote that he waits all night long with no mythic invites and says there is something wrong with the game. I mean really? I tried to explain to the guy that the reason is his ilvl ! Well nope , it wasn't as he said his ilevel is 853. Then the guy says he refuses to join a guild! Well then, then there is this thing called "communication & making friends" in an Massive Multiplayer Online Game, which people should utilize more often! I mean , why is it the game fault if he chooses to play solo and when SOMETIMES, when he feels to , when trying to make a group content, he's ... not able to do that! Yeah! It's .. complicated!
There are other problems with Legion , more important , which from my point of view are a priority then "making the game more solo orientated because some dude plays the game in solo mode" .
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I just lost my drive a week or two before 7.1 dropped, I just can't get back into it. A lot of it has to do with all my friends are gone. The game just isn't solo person friendly if you like dungeon content, pugging has never been harder and by that I mean actually getting a group, it has become so time consuming.
If you're looking to run Mythic+ dungeons, then yes pugging can suck. That's much more geared towards organized groups.
Just finding groups for regular mythic is a chore, I can spend all night and never get a group. It just gets old. I'm also over not flying, I just don't care for Legions terrain.
What?! Spending all night and never get a group? Then there is something wrong with .. you i guess! I think you have low ilevel , so .. just do the heroics and LFR which should get you a group pretty fast and once your ilevel is around 840 or so , then you will get into mythic and beyond !
852 enhance Shaman with all 4 major points unlocked, thanks for thinking you know me.
I will not be smartass.
You start your group for mythic. People join, mostly dpsers first. Then tank and healer will come. It quite fascinating really because other dps see that there are 2 spots left so they will flood your party with pending for approval. You can pick and choose whatever you want. Then, when healer or tank see this group it will be "hey they got all dps, now only me and other guy".
If you really spend entire night and dont find ANY people then maybe server is dead? It sucks, that why i rerolled on most populated server on EU.
First off servers have little relevance in group creation anymore. Second, yes I would love to join the 30+ other groups of 3 dps looking for tanks and healers. Tanks and healers rarely if ever join a group of 3 dps with no tank or heals.
For a bit more insight, I might find a group easier IF I applied for the ones that have hostile descriptions or titles. Unfortunately most of the LFG groups come off that way, so many of them scream toxic elitism. I just have no desire to be part of that. Maybe the NA community is different than the EU, I have no idea in that regard.
Thing is, I'm not alone in this, I made a topic during WoD about the very same subject. The thread limit was reached and locked. It was a very popular topic and it resonated with a lot of people. Over 600+ thumbs up if I recall correctly. So it isn't as if this is just my issue and it hasn't got any better since WoD.
Sorry but I don't buy it. You're closing the door to every solution people giving you about this issue. So why are you playing mmos if you don't want to socialize even a bit? Why? Go play single player games then. I understand that some people may be toxic and you don't like it. But it was always like this with online games. Even in Guild Wars 2, which is the most casual mmo I've ever played, I constantly group up with elitst sh*ts in fractals etc. It isn't just about WoW. Every damn online game is like this. So in my opinion, you're just making excuses for why are you don't want to play WoW anymore. Of course you can play what ever you like, I don't care. But stop trying to make it look like WoW's fault that you can't join a mythic group. It is all on you. I'm playing retri paladin ffs. It is the least wanted melee dps on pve right now. Aoe damage is amazing but single target dps is not very good without the right items and artifact talents. Even with that I can easily find mythic, mythic+ groups everytime I look for it. And yes I constantly group up with toxic people. But at the same time I met a lot of amazing people too. And every time I meet someone I like I add them to my friendlist. And now if I don't want to group up with pugs I just open my friendlist and ask people. Eventualy I create a group and bam we're ready to go.
In the past people were crying about dungeon and raid finders and why Blizzard implemented them. Now they are doing the opposite. I will never understand people on this forum...
No solution was offered that was reasonable and works for me or many people for that matter. Sorry but DPS just can't form a group in any reasonable time frame, if you claim otherwise you're full of it. I have no desire to deal with toxic players, why would I want to put myself through that? Some people have no issue dealing with the scum of the online world, good for you.
Either way your post helps illustrate the issue. There is this denial thing going about that many players have issues with getting mythic dungeons. Drop by MMOC and official forums, new threads posted frequently about how much of a pain it is to get a mythic group going without a guild.
Getting into a mythic dungeon is arguably the #1 complaint of Legion(if you ignore legendary rng).
So stop the crap of saying, its my fault. This has been a growing issue since WoD. Also I'm expecting to hear an announcement during Blizzcon that Mythics will be added to the LFD.
I give up. You're hopeless dude sorry. I really miss the old good days when people actually knew how to play a Massively Multiplayer rpg. Thinking about it, the only thing I miss about Vanilla WoW is the community. Without the stupid dungen finder, we could actually socialize back then. Thanks to Blizzard with the mythic dungeons we can continue to do so. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard won't listen to the minority who cries on the offical forums. Especially the mythic+ dungeons require real communication and coordination which most of the players who can't even find a group by themselves lacks. Good luck to you, I hope you find your ideal single player online rpg and leave the WoW alone.
I give up. You're hopeless dude sorry. I really miss the old good days when people actually knew how to play a Massively Multiplayer rpg. Thinking about it, the only thing I miss about Vanilla WoW is the community. Without the stupid dungen finder, we could actually socialize back then.
"we are looking for a player to fill our 40-man raid group, you are expected to turn up 4-5x/week, each week till our leaders have their dungeonsets complete. Sundays you can have off so you can farm potions which you must use the next week for support of the raids."
"You can miss 1 raid, the 2nd comes with a warning, the 3rd is a perma guildkick."
"Also you are a very nice player, but we don't need your class so gtfo. We rather have that ego player but at least he does have the correct spec."
"What do you mean you like to play that spec? You like to pvp a lot? Oh, but we require you to run this very dull spec for us during the raids, we know it will burn you out of the game but if you do not respec: gtfo, we do not have room for you in our guild."
Yeah, Vanilla was great. :S
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I give up. You're hopeless dude sorry. I really miss the old good days when people actually knew how to play a Massively Multiplayer rpg. Thinking about it, the only thing I miss about Vanilla WoW is the community. Without the stupid dungen finder, we could actually socialize back then.
"we are looking for a player to fill our 40-man raid group, you are expected to turn up 4-5x/week, each week till our leaders have their dungeonsets complete. Sundays you can have off so you can farm potions which you must use the next week for support of the raids."
"You can miss 1 raid, the 2nd comes with a warning, the 3rd is a perma guildkick."
"Also you are a very nice player, but we don't need your class so gtfo. We rather have that ego player but at least he does have the correct spec."
"What do you mean you like to play that spec? You like to pvp a lot? Oh, but we require you to run this very dull spec for us during the raids, we know it will burn you out of the game but if you do not respec: gtfo, we do not have room for you in our guild."
Yeah, Vanilla was great. :S
First you have to understand this. I'm not talking about raiding or how to play with a hardcore guild. I'm talking about dungeons. Thanks to the Legion, you can play the game whatever way you want. If I talk for myself, I'm in a very social and casual guild. We have a small 10m raid team which we didn't even try to do mythic emerald nightmare. You are free to do what you want. Noone will kick you. We complated heroic emerald and now I personaly focus on mythic dungeons. And I can do whenever I want with whoever I want. Yes right now WoW is great.
And for the Vanilla, I never joined a hardcore guild and I never complated a raid back then. I played like today. I did dungeons, joined raids time to time and mostly did ow pvp. I was in an amazing guild and we were having a blast playing WoW. If you chose to play in a hardcore guild and didn't enjoy the game back then it is your fault.
I give up. You're hopeless dude sorry. I really miss the old good days when people actually knew how to play a Massively Multiplayer rpg. Thinking about it, the only thing I miss about Vanilla WoW is the community. Without the stupid dungen finder, we could actually socialize back then. Thanks to Blizzard with the mythic dungeons we can continue to do so. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard won't listen to the minority who cries on the offical forums. Especially the mythic+ dungeons require real communication and coordination which most of the players who can't even find a group by themselves lacks. Good luck to you, I hope you find your ideal single player online rpg and leave the WoW alone.
Didn't know there was one way to play an MMO.
Vanilla WoW community and current community are two different beasts, it is 2 completely different games. Vanilla and even TBC, grouping was a far different experience, you were judged during the run. Wotlk and forward, you're judged BEFORE the run.
Achievements, addons, armory and whatever else have lead to ruining the spirit of the game. Looking for a pug in mythic is like applying to a job every single time. Also, mythic pugs don't talk either, there is almost no difference between a mythic pug and a LFD dungeon. People in mythic pugs tend to be all business no socializing, they're there to speed run some loot and leave.
No idea why people like yourself get so hostile on this subject.
I see where you are coming from and you are so wrong . Did you actually played Vanilla , BC ? Far different then now? Tell us how is different then back then, when if you wanted to apply to a guild , they checked your gear, let alone doing raids or even dungeons. They check the shit out of you before you got an invite into an raid for exemple. So how is it different then addons , armory , etc ?!
Plus, I like the addons a lot ! Why? Let's say 3 DPS, all ilvl 850 , but when in a dungeon , you don't see the necessary damage and you fail doing X boss , because there is not enough dmg ( but they have the gear ) and/or burst. So .. who you are going to blame?! Roll the dice?!
Anyway I say BULLSHIT again, that applying to a mythic is like applying to a job. C'mon man! If that is true, then you are neither socializing ( as you want people to do ) , or waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to exigent !
It's not hostile , it's this : We find it HARD to believe what you are saying. And I mean very hard ! Just .. play the game the way you like and stop doing the content which you are not ..."relaxed" to it ! It's simple!
"we are looking for a player to fill our 40-man raid group, you are expected to turn up 4-5x/week, each week till our leaders have their dungeonsets complete. Sundays you can have off so you can farm potions which you must use the next week for support of the raids."
"You can miss 1 raid, the 2nd comes with a warning, the 3rd is a perma guildkick."
"Also you are a very nice player, but we don't need your class so gtfo. We rather have that ego player but at least he does have the correct spec."
"What do you mean you like to play that spec? You like to pvp a lot? Oh, but we require you to run this very dull spec for us during the raids, we know it will burn you out of the game but if you do not respec: gtfo, we do not have room for you in our guild."
Yeah, Vanilla was great. :S
That he didn't like how things worked back then , that's another story , but .. pretty much the end game in Vanilla was like that ! So yeah! ..no! You are wrong about the differences between Vanilla and Legion!
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I give up. You're hopeless dude sorry. I really miss the old good days when people actually knew how to play a Massively Multiplayer rpg. Thinking about it, the only thing I miss about Vanilla WoW is the community. Without the stupid dungen finder, we could actually socialize back then. Thanks to Blizzard with the mythic dungeons we can continue to do so. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard won't listen to the minority who cries on the offical forums. Especially the mythic+ dungeons require real communication and coordination which most of the players who can't even find a group by themselves lacks. Good luck to you, I hope you find your ideal single player online rpg and leave the WoW alone.
Didn't know there was one way to play an MMO.
Vanilla WoW community and current community are two different beasts, it is 2 completely different games. Vanilla and even TBC, grouping was a far different experience, you were judged during the run. Wotlk and forward, you're judged BEFORE the run.
Achievements, addons, armory and whatever else have lead to ruining the spirit of the game. Looking for a pug in mythic is like applying to a job every single time. Also, mythic pugs don't talk either, there is almost no difference between a mythic pug and a LFD dungeon. People in mythic pugs tend to be all business no socializing, they're there to speed run some loot and leave.
No idea why people like yourself get so hostile on this subject.
I see where you are coming from and you are so wrong . Did you actually played Vanilla , BC ? Far different then now? Tell us how is different then back then, when if you wanted to apply to a guild , they checked your gear, let alone doing raids or even dungeons. They check the shit out of you before you got an invite into an raid for exemple. So how is it different then addons , armory , etc ?!
Plus, I like the addons a lot ! Why? Let's say 3 DPS, all ilvl 850 , but when in a dungeon , you don't see the necessary damage and you fail doing X boss , because there is not enough dmg ( but they have the gear ) and/or burst. So .. who you are going to blame?! Roll the dice?!
Anyway I say BULLSHIT again, that applying to a mythic is like applying to a job. C'mon man! If that is true, then you are neither socializing ( as you want people to do ) , or waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to exigent !
It's not hostile , it's this : We find it HARD to believe what you are saying. And I mean very hard ! Just .. play the game the way you like and stop doing the content which you are not ..."relaxed" to it ! It's simple!
Plus, what this guy is saying :
Vanilla dungeon running was easy to get groups, EASY. You simply got kicked if something went wrong, like not CCing or kiting or holding threat. Granted in Vanilla, I was a prot warrior and a good one. I did a lot of strat 45s.. a lot. People only judged on HP, things like 102.4 or 490 weren't really a thing until TBC. I remember raiding with a lot of sub 60 people in vanilla. I made a lot of friends from pugging during this time frame, we essentially had a pug coalition. You also took what you could get in some cases, as this was before cross server play.
In TBC, things changed a bit, a lot more character mechanics, battlegroups. I killed all SSC/TK bosses pre nerf with the exception of Vashj and Kael. I was obviously part of a guild during that time frame. Wanna know how I got into that guild? A pug dungeon, it was from playing with people. Again this was before cross server play. Now, I won't deny, when I was class lead for a guild, I ripped peoples applications apart but we were progression raiding.
Now we aren't talking about guild applications for progression raiding. We are talking about pugging 5 man dungeons. It is completely different today than it was in Vanilla/TBC and if you think otherwise then I am honestly at a loss.
Addons suck, damage meters are the destroyer of fun. I like them but I don't like what they've done to the community or any community for that matter.
Bring back the old Aori. I like more that guy then you!
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I just lost my drive a week or two before 7.1 dropped, I just can't get back into it. A lot of it has to do with all my friends are gone. The game just isn't solo person friendly if you like dungeon content, pugging has never been harder and by that I mean actually getting a group, it has become so time consuming.
If you're looking to run Mythic+ dungeons, then yes pugging can suck. That's much more geared towards organized groups.
Just finding groups for regular mythic is a chore, I can spend all night and never get a group. It just gets old. I'm also over not flying, I just don't care for Legions terrain.
What?! Spending all night and never get a group? Then there is something wrong with .. you i guess! I think you have low ilevel , so .. just do the heroics and LFR which should get you a group pretty fast and once your ilevel is around 840 or so , then you will get into mythic and beyond !
Why do you surmise that there's something wrong with Aori just because he can't get into a Mythic dungeon? I'm in a similar situation with Aori myself. My main has his own guild bank and therefore cannot join an active guild. I have tried around 20 times to get into mythic dungeons (with low keys) and have been rejected on each occasion (and still haven't stepped into one).
My ilvl is 853 and I've done most heroics dungeons and normal raids so far in Legion. My questlog is about a third full of mythic quests to complete which I've been unable to do. Currently, I'm a more casual player who prefers to do my own thing at my own pace. However, I feel that If you're not part of a guild, mythics can be extremely harder to break into. Maybe after your first one it gets easier...I don't know.
I'm not complaining about this as it's my choice not to be in a guild at the moment. Doesn't mean that there's something wrong with me or anyone else that haven't run a Mythic dungeon though.
Well , one of the issues in today's MMO is that people hardly communicate anymore! Another ones ( in "relationship" with the first ) is that people don't make friends anymore ( in-game ) . Well , there are cases of course , but the majority ( you too it seems) plays a MMO ( Massive Multiplayer Online ) as a single player game.
Nothing against it, as each plays as he likes, but at the very beginning ( and at the end ) , this is a MMO.
Do you want to know what I do ? After every run, if some player from my party was OK , I add him in my friend list. I have well over 20+ "friends", which .. from time to time, I PM them and ask them if they want to run X dungeon and in most cases, their answer is "sure, why not" !
Maybe you should try that too!
Lets be honest about the friend thing though from past to present. Its about greed. For example, the majority of friends people made from say a decade ago in most mmorpgs was because it was convenient verses waiting around to find people for stuff. If you had a solid group from a previous day, chances are you were going to either want to friend them because of how reliable they were or you were going to look for them first if you didn't friend them. With all this instancing and with handed rewards for pretty much doing nothing, there's not real reason to even make friends or go out of your way to be friendly unless you're naturally liked that. MMORPGs in the past kind of forced the introverts to go out of their comfort zone and mingle, leaving lasting impressions so they could get solid groups to get stuff done.
Imagine a world where you can express your opinion without some random depressive users trying to explain to you that you're wrong because of numbers they can pull up out of his/her ass. "You can't DISLIKE vanilla ice cream!!! Look at these statistics. Lots of people are eating this ice cream so that means you're WRONG. You're pathetic, go home!" Like buds.... Chill a little.
WoW isn't going to fade away and it isn't a bad video game. It's hosted by Blizzard, it won't go away until they want it to. They're a multi-billion company with more employees than most gaming companies. It has the means to endorse their products in such ways that they could sell a turd and it'd be a success commercially but that doesn't mean that turd should be allowed immunity to critcism however you may disagree with it. Just relax. Stop taking things so personal.
it's funny and sad how everyone that you're referring to ignores your post completely, to each their own I guess
How can you speak about the content, or claimed lack thereof, if you
haven't even experienced any of it. Do you also give reviews for
restaurants that you never ate at?
I did not give a "review". I stated that there is not much to do in Legion. I came to this conclusion by talking to alot of people who play or have played it, reading the forums, articles etc. I don't take grind and repetition as "content".
You can now argue that i should rather experience Legion first hand and you may be right with that. But then, everybody always recommends to wait out the initial rush, read the forums, listen to other's opinions, collect some facts etc. etc. and not jump head first into something. This is what i'm doing atm.
Who is right now? I guess that this is not an actual matter of "who is right", but a matter of personal choice.
Your restaurant analogy is actually a good example: I have never
been visiting a certain local restaurant in my area myself. Yet i know that they
don't really have much on the menu card and you can only chose between a few things. How can i say that when i haven't even been there myself? I guess that does not really need an explanation.
Volgore, you are an old member here and I though at least you *could* have a bit of common sense, yet , I was wrong! You can't speak about a game , if you didn't play it.
But 90% from the haters in here, are in the same boat as Volgore! Speaking about a game and his content , while they have no idea about it, since they didn't even bought/play the game!
Well then, carry on with the hate I suppose
Easy on me, i'm not a "hater". I don't like alot of things Blizzard did to WoW in general, but i still love the game. I've literally had YEARS of the most fun and best entertainment in WoW. I always keep it installed and updated and log in now and then, visiting some places when i have a moment of nostalgia.
But that is also what leaves me concerned when i'm looking at expansions like WoD or Legion. I don't really like the direction WoW took with both of these. Not liking is not really hating. My kind of not liking is rather "waiting for Blizzard to flip a switch so that i will love it again".
can't believe you bothered typing all that to someone who is thickheaded and oblivious to everything they don't like hearing
I just lost my drive a week or two before 7.1 dropped, I just can't get back into it. A lot of it has to do with all my friends are gone. The game just isn't solo person friendly if you like dungeon content, pugging has never been harder and by that I mean actually getting a group, it has become so time consuming.
If you're looking to run Mythic+ dungeons, then yes pugging can suck. That's much more geared towards organized groups.
Just finding groups for regular mythic is a chore, I can spend all night and never get a group. It just gets old. I'm also over not flying, I just don't care for Legions terrain.
What?! Spending all night and never get a group? Then there is something wrong with .. you i guess! I think you have low ilevel , so .. just do the heroics and LFR which should get you a group pretty fast and once your ilevel is around 840 or so , then you will get into mythic and beyond !
852 enhance Shaman with all 4 major points unlocked, thanks for thinking you know me.
I will not be smartass.
You start your group for mythic. People join, mostly dpsers first. Then tank and healer will come. It quite fascinating really because other dps see that there are 2 spots left so they will flood your party with pending for approval. You can pick and choose whatever you want. Then, when healer or tank see this group it will be "hey they got all dps, now only me and other guy".
If you really spend entire night and dont find ANY people then maybe server is dead? It sucks, that why i rerolled on most populated server on EU.
First off servers have little relevance in group creation anymore. Second, yes I would love to join the 30+ other groups of 3 dps looking for tanks and healers. Tanks and healers rarely if ever join a group of 3 dps with no tank or heals.
For a bit more insight, I might find a group easier IF I applied for the ones that have hostile descriptions or titles. Unfortunately most of the LFG groups come off that way, so many of them scream toxic elitism. I just have no desire to be part of that. Maybe the NA community is different than the EU, I have no idea in that regard.
Thing is, I'm not alone in this, I made a topic during WoD about the very same subject. The thread limit was reached and locked. It was a very popular topic and it resonated with a lot of people. Over 600+ thumbs up if I recall correctly. So it isn't as if this is just my issue and it hasn't got any better since WoD.
Sorry but I don't buy it. You're closing the door to every solution people giving you about this issue. So why are you playing mmos if you don't want to socialize even a bit? Why? Go play single player games then. I understand that some people may be toxic and you don't like it. But it was always like this with online games. Even in Guild Wars 2, which is the most casual mmo I've ever played, I constantly group up with elitst sh*ts in fractals etc. It isn't just about WoW. Every damn online game is like this. So in my opinion, you're just making excuses for why are you don't want to play WoW anymore. Of course you can play what ever you like, I don't care. But stop trying to make it look like WoW's fault that you can't join a mythic group. It is all on you. I'm playing retri paladin ffs. It is the least wanted melee dps on pve right now. Aoe damage is amazing but single target dps is not very good without the right items and artifact talents. Even with that I can easily find mythic, mythic+ groups everytime I look for it. And yes I constantly group up with toxic people. But at the same time I met a lot of amazing people too. And every time I meet someone I like I add them to my friendlist. And now if I don't want to group up with pugs I just open my friendlist and ask people. Eventualy I create a group and bam we're ready to go.
In the past people were crying about dungeon and raid finders and why Blizzard implemented them. Now they are doing the opposite. I will never understand people on this forum...
That's not true at all in my experience. I like WoW's lore, which is why I pick up every expansion, but it's community is very toxic. You say every online game is like this, but in my experience on the server Exodus (I believe) in FF14, it isn't like this. From the very first dungeon, to the very last, the community is polite and explains fights when someone is new. There is no rushing through the dungeons, even though people have done them so many times. You can even que for content equivalent to Heroic raids in WoW and people are still polite.
Now that's just in game. Outside of game, you peruse the forums, and the vast majority of the threads are complaints that are a result of allowing addons like Recount and Logs. People then use these and SIMS to rank DPS specs and use it like it's the Bible of class balance. If Blizzard would quit allowing these addons, would ban toxic behavior, would make dungeon content challenging at all levels (including forcing people to CC) like in FF14, then the community would be a lot better.
The community in FF14 is just a different breed, a better breed, which is why after raiding in Legion and dealing with WoW's toxic community, I decided to turn casual when it comes to WoW. That way I don't have to interact with WoW's community unless I really want to and I can then focus more hardcore time in FF14, which is truly deserving.
I just lost my drive a week or two before 7.1 dropped, I just can't get back into it. A lot of it has to do with all my friends are gone. The game just isn't solo person friendly if you like dungeon content, pugging has never been harder and by that I mean actually getting a group, it has become so time consuming.
If you're looking to run Mythic+ dungeons, then yes pugging can suck. That's much more geared towards organized groups.
Just finding groups for regular mythic is a chore, I can spend all night and never get a group. It just gets old. I'm also over not flying, I just don't care for Legions terrain.
What?! Spending all night and never get a group? Then there is something wrong with .. you i guess! I think you have low ilevel , so .. just do the heroics and LFR which should get you a group pretty fast and once your ilevel is around 840 or so , then you will get into mythic and beyond !
852 enhance Shaman with all 4 major points unlocked, thanks for thinking you know me.
I will not be smartass.
You start your group for mythic. People join, mostly dpsers first. Then tank and healer will come. It quite fascinating really because other dps see that there are 2 spots left so they will flood your party with pending for approval. You can pick and choose whatever you want. Then, when healer or tank see this group it will be "hey they got all dps, now only me and other guy".
If you really spend entire night and dont find ANY people then maybe server is dead? It sucks, that why i rerolled on most populated server on EU.
First off servers have little relevance in group creation anymore. Second, yes I would love to join the 30+ other groups of 3 dps looking for tanks and healers. Tanks and healers rarely if ever join a group of 3 dps with no tank or heals.
For a bit more insight, I might find a group easier IF I applied for the ones that have hostile descriptions or titles. Unfortunately most of the LFG groups come off that way, so many of them scream toxic elitism. I just have no desire to be part of that. Maybe the NA community is different than the EU, I have no idea in that regard.
Thing is, I'm not alone in this, I made a topic during WoD about the very same subject. The thread limit was reached and locked. It was a very popular topic and it resonated with a lot of people. Over 600+ thumbs up if I recall correctly. So it isn't as if this is just my issue and it hasn't got any better since WoD.
Sorry but I don't buy it. You're closing the door to every solution people giving you about this issue. So why are you playing mmos if you don't want to socialize even a bit? Why? Go play single player games then. I understand that some people may be toxic and you don't like it. But it was always like this with online games. Even in Guild Wars 2, which is the most casual mmo I've ever played, I constantly group up with elitst sh*ts in fractals etc. It isn't just about WoW. Every damn online game is like this. So in my opinion, you're just making excuses for why are you don't want to play WoW anymore. Of course you can play what ever you like, I don't care. But stop trying to make it look like WoW's fault that you can't join a mythic group. It is all on you. I'm playing retri paladin ffs. It is the least wanted melee dps on pve right now. Aoe damage is amazing but single target dps is not very good without the right items and artifact talents. Even with that I can easily find mythic, mythic+ groups everytime I look for it. And yes I constantly group up with toxic people. But at the same time I met a lot of amazing people too. And every time I meet someone I like I add them to my friendlist. And now if I don't want to group up with pugs I just open my friendlist and ask people. Eventualy I create a group and bam we're ready to go.
In the past people were crying about dungeon and raid finders and why Blizzard implemented them. Now they are doing the opposite. I will never understand people on this forum...
That's not true at all in my experience. I like WoW's lore, which is why I pick up every expansion, but it's community is very toxic. You say every online game is like this, but in my experience on the server Exodus (I believe) in FF14, it isn't like this. From the very first dungeon, to the very last, the community is polite and explains fights when someone is new. There is no rushing through the dungeons, even though people have done them so many times. You can even que for content equivalent to Heroic raids in WoW and people are still polite.
Now that's just in game. Outside of game, you peruse the forums, and the vast majority of the threads are complaints that are a result of allowing addons like Recount and Logs. People then use these and SIMS to rank DPS specs and use it like it's the Bible of class balance. If Blizzard would quit allowing these addons, would ban toxic behavior, would make dungeon content challenging at all levels (including forcing people to CC) like in FF14, then the community would be a lot better.
The community in FF14 is just a different breed, a better breed, which is why after raiding in Legion and dealing with WoW's toxic community, I decided to turn casual when it comes to WoW. That way I don't have to interact with WoW's community unless I really want to and I can then focus more hardcore time in FF14, which is truly deserving.
when I first started playing FFXIV I felt the same way as you and I still do: people there are very polite compared to WoW. however, they are far more thickheaded and hate arguments, theyre like the guy posting in these comments that legion is the fking shit and he's so happy with it and everyone disaggreeing is wrong and should gtfo.
it really is stereotypical for FFXIV and WoW. FFXIV is a host to many weeaboo's while WoW is a host to many buttholes. in my experience trolls are often the only ones speaking the truth compared to those who don't want to classify themselves as one. and in fact, most of the "trolls" are classified as troll by other people because they don't like what they're saying.. but anyways....
to sum it up: WoW: asocial carebears FFXIV: thickheaded fakers
I'd rather have a WoW community where I can freely debate arguments with objectivity instead of a community that seems alright at first glance but is much worse when you look further than your nose it's length
oh crap, did we just go off-topic? what a horrendous happening!
Love Legion and the best part is not only zone adapting to player level or vice-versa ... but also LOOT being adapted. There are other games that have scaling, but loot is just pure trash if going to lower level zones. Looking forward next expansion. At the end of MOP I had 22 maxed out alts for both horde and alliance, before start of Legion only 14 or 15. Now is again possible me getting all alts to max before next expansion. Still I have leveled all 12 alts for alliance in something about 2 months. Usually it took me more then half year. I would say more quests and PVE experience in pre-WOD expansions.
That's not true at all in my experience. I like WoW's lore, which is why I pick up every expansion, but it's community is very toxic. You say every online game is like this, but in my experience on the server Exodus (I believe) in FF14, it isn't like this. From the very first dungeon, to the very last, the community is polite and explains fights when someone is new. There is no rushing through the dungeons, even though people have done them so many times. You can even que for content equivalent to Heroic raids in WoW and people are still polite.
Now that's just in game. Outside of game, you peruse the forums, and the vast majority of the threads are complaints that are a result of allowing addons like Recount and Logs. People then use these and SIMS to rank DPS specs and use it like it's the Bible of class balance. If Blizzard would quit allowing these addons, would ban toxic behavior, would make dungeon content challenging at all levels (including forcing people to CC) like in FF14, then the community would be a lot better.
The community in FF14 is just a different breed, a better breed, which is why after raiding in Legion and dealing with WoW's toxic community, I decided to turn casual when it comes to WoW. That way I don't have to interact with WoW's community unless I really want to and I can then focus more hardcore time in FF14, which is truly deserving.
when I first started playing FFXIV I felt the same way as you and I still do: people there are very polite compared to WoW. however, they are far more thickheaded and hate arguments, theyre like the guy posting in these comments that legion is the fking shit and he's so happy with it and everyone disaggreeing is wrong and should gtfo.
it really is stereotypical for FFXIV and WoW. FFXIV is a host to many weeaboo's while WoW is a host to many buttholes. in my experience trolls are often the only ones speaking the truth compared to those who don't want to classify themselves as one. and in fact, most of the "trolls" are classified as troll by other people because they don't like what they're saying.. but anyways....
to sum it up: WoW: asocial carebears FFXIV: thickheaded fakers
I'd rather have a WoW community where I can freely debate arguments with objectivity instead of a community that seems alright at first glance but is much worse when you look further than your nose it's length
oh crap, did we just go off-topic? what a horrendous happening!
The fact that your opinion seems to align with a popular troll subject, doesn't mean that all trolls are telling the truth. If only the real world worked as easily as classifying people into stereotypes, then we could probably prevent many deaths and have a much more peaceful society. Unfortunately, it's just not that simple. It's more likely an 80/20 rule where 80% of the people are relatively objective and 20% of people are radicals, split between two sides. In the end, it's more likely that because of your strong belief in these stereotype, you're being influenced by bias to only really observe people adhering to your stereotype, but ignoring those who are (those who are objective). That's not an attack on you, that's just the way it works, as humans. However, there's a difference in being able to identify that it's bias and actually believing that is how the majority behaves versus it being a minority that you're observing.
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1) Tell us all who plays WOW, how WoW isn't good enough ... hell .. not even average nowadays ! I mean ..really? Now give us the other MMOs which are better compared to WoW. I asked this .."list" of other BETTER MMo's , pretty often those days in this forum, yet .. I received none! Hope you can delivery!
2) Another theory conspiracy here with their "Blizz marketing here, Blizzard marketing there...." . Now tell us all how the majority leaves very unsatisfied !
Yes, not every expansion was the best , but again, tell us another company which managed to get back on track and boost their player-base after *a-not-so-good-last-expansion*
No! Don't bullshit me with "marketing" , because no marketing in the world can hold a player interest this long , if the game was not even average anymore !
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
The logic is simple! Those who play and enjoy the game will always have a different opinion then the ones who don't . What do you expect?
About your last .. points, well .. you are very wrong! I am a VERY friendly person specially in-game where I help .. kinda many players , be it in dungeons, quests, etc . I of course go mad sometimes, especially when healers just .. /leave the dungeon in a mythics++ ( FUCK YOU ) !
I don't really think i "spit" haters left and right. On this site there are not many .. haters actually, just your typical several haters since .. a quite of time.
Eeexactly! There is NO creativity nor a common sense discussion with those ( I know you point-finger on me ) . I mean , one just wrote that he waits all night long with no mythic invites and says there is something wrong with the game. I mean really? I tried to explain to the guy that the reason is his ilvl ! Well nope , it wasn't as he said his ilevel is 853. Then the guy says he refuses to join a guild! Well then, then there is this thing called "communication & making friends" in an Massive Multiplayer Online Game, which people should utilize more often! I mean , why is it the game fault if he chooses to play solo and when SOMETIMES, when he feels to , when trying to make a group content, he's ... not able to do that! Yeah! It's .. complicated!
There are other problems with Legion , more important , which from my point of view are a priority then "making the game more solo orientated because some dude plays the game in solo mode" .
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Thinking about it, the only thing I miss about Vanilla WoW is the community. Without the stupid dungen finder, we could actually socialize back then. Thanks to Blizzard with the mythic dungeons we can continue to do so. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard won't listen to the minority who cries on the offical forums. Especially the mythic+ dungeons require real communication and coordination which most of the players who can't even find a group by themselves lacks. Good luck to you, I hope you find your ideal single player online rpg and leave the WoW alone.
"You can miss 1 raid, the 2nd comes with a warning, the 3rd is a perma guildkick."
"Also you are a very nice player, but we don't need your class so gtfo. We rather have that ego player but at least he does have the correct spec."
"What do you mean you like to play that spec? You like to pvp a lot? Oh, but we require you to run this very dull spec for us during the raids, we know it will burn you out of the game but if you do not respec: gtfo, we do not have room for you in our guild."
Yeah, Vanilla was great. :S
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
And for the Vanilla, I never joined a hardcore guild and I never complated a raid back then. I played like today. I did dungeons, joined raids time to time and mostly did ow pvp. I was in an amazing guild and we were having a blast playing WoW. If you chose to play in a hardcore guild and didn't enjoy the game back then it is your fault.
And yeah, Vanilla was great!
Plus, I like the addons a lot ! Why? Let's say 3 DPS, all ilvl 850 , but when in a dungeon , you don't see the necessary damage and you fail doing X boss , because there is not enough dmg ( but they have the gear ) and/or burst. So .. who you are going to blame?! Roll the dice?!
Anyway I say BULLSHIT again, that applying to a mythic is like applying to a job. C'mon man! If that is true, then you are neither socializing ( as you want people to do ) , or waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to exigent !
It's not hostile , it's this : We find it HARD to believe what you are saying. And I mean very hard ! Just .. play the game the way you like and stop doing the content which you are not ..."relaxed" to it ! It's simple!
Plus, what this guy is saying :
That he didn't like how things worked back then , that's another story , but .. pretty much the end game in Vanilla was like that ! So yeah! ..no! You are wrong about the differences between Vanilla and Legion!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Lets be honest about the friend thing though from past to present. Its about greed. For example, the majority of friends people made from say a decade ago in most mmorpgs was because it was convenient verses waiting around to find people for stuff. If you had a solid group from a previous day, chances are you were going to either want to friend them because of how reliable they were or you were going to look for them first if you didn't friend them. With all this instancing and with handed rewards for pretty much doing nothing, there's not real reason to even make friends or go out of your way to be friendly unless you're naturally liked that. MMORPGs in the past kind of forced the introverts to go out of their comfort zone and mingle, leaving lasting impressions so they could get solid groups to get stuff done.
it's funny and sad how everyone that you're referring to ignores your post completely, to each their own I guess
can't believe you bothered typing all that to someone who is thickheaded and oblivious to everything they don't like hearing
Now that's just in game. Outside of game, you peruse the forums, and the vast majority of the threads are complaints that are a result of allowing addons like Recount and Logs. People then use these and SIMS to rank DPS specs and use it like it's the Bible of class balance. If Blizzard would quit allowing these addons, would ban toxic behavior, would make dungeon content challenging at all levels (including forcing people to CC) like in FF14, then the community would be a lot better.
The community in FF14 is just a different breed, a better breed, which is why after raiding in Legion and dealing with WoW's toxic community, I decided to turn casual when it comes to WoW. That way I don't have to interact with WoW's community unless I really want to and I can then focus more hardcore time in FF14, which is truly deserving.
it really is stereotypical for FFXIV and WoW. FFXIV is a host to many weeaboo's while WoW is a host to many buttholes. in my experience trolls are often the only ones speaking the truth compared to those who don't want to classify themselves as one. and in fact, most of the "trolls" are classified as troll by other people because they don't like what they're saying.. but anyways....
to sum it up:
WoW: asocial carebears
FFXIV: thickheaded fakers
I'd rather have a WoW community where I can freely debate arguments with objectivity instead of a community that seems alright at first glance but is much worse when you look further than your nose it's length
oh crap, did we just go off-topic? what a horrendous happening!
The fact that your opinion seems to align with a popular troll subject, doesn't mean that all trolls are telling the truth. If only the real world worked as easily as classifying people into stereotypes, then we could probably prevent many deaths and have a much more peaceful society. Unfortunately, it's just not that simple. It's more likely an 80/20 rule where 80% of the people are relatively objective and 20% of people are radicals, split between two sides. In the end, it's more likely that because of your strong belief in these stereotype, you're being influenced by bias to only really observe people adhering to your stereotype, but ignoring those who are (those who are objective). That's not an attack on you, that's just the way it works, as humans. However, there's a difference in being able to identify that it's bias and actually believing that is how the majority behaves versus it being a minority that you're observing.
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