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Game to Close on February 21, 2017 - Landmark - MMORPG.com

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  • AeliousAelious Member RarePosts: 3,521
    edited January 2017
    nomadie said:
    Every person called it when those jackasses took over Sony's games. Welcome to the game killing company. No we'll never get a new Everquest. Thanks for being dicks Daybreak. Should we call you GameBreak Studios? I'll go with GameBreak.
    If you want to blame anyone, blame Sony. They sold SoE off to Columbus Nova and renamed "SoE" to "DGC." It was the same people just different financial backing which unfortunately didn't want to invest enough to see EQN or LM to completion.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    edited January 2017
    nomadie said:
    Every person called it when those jackasses took over Sony's games. Welcome to the game killing company. No we'll never get a new Everquest. Thanks for being dicks Daybreak. Should we call you GameBreak Studios? I'll go with GameBreak.
    This is wrong. CN have not "come in" and ruined any games. The games were never "alive".  

    SoE lost Sony millions of dollars - they booked a $60M loss against "game development" just before selling to CN.  

    CN took over and are now "simply" running the existing games as profitably as possible. Landmark closing no surprise for sure - as I said above probably "launched" and run long enough to cover any pre-purchase obligations.

    As far as EQ3 goes CN will be very aware that SoE tried - and failed - to produce EQ3. And no way can I see CN pumping millions of dollars into a "its EQ we just have to build it and they will come" "its going to be huge".

    CN are simply the caretakers. They haven't broken any games. If they were / are broken they were already broke.
  • mgilbrtsnmgilbrtsn Member EpicPosts: 3,430
    I'm usually a defender of the companies because I think they are maligned unjustly in many cases.  However on this case, I agree with most of the negative comments in reference to this fiasco.    By keeping it running, they were clearly trying to suck up whatever money they could before shutting the door.  Shameful.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    edited January 2017

    Nilden said:



    I'm betting EQ3 announcement sooner or later. Not to mention whatever Myth Warden is.


    You seem really out of touch with this. This was EQ3, it failed, hard.

    Daybreak has neither the money or talent (let alone the player good will) to make EQ3 happen (or try to happen, again). If they did they wouldn't have cancelled EQNext. Most of which was built by players.



    I'm perfectly in touch with this. I'm willing to bet Columbus Nova will want to get everything they can from the EverQiest brand to return on their investment. What kind of game EQ3 will be? No clue. But it's their only truly valuable IP, and it will be used again.
    Why do think DBG will be the studio to "use" the EQ franchise?

    I'd say from what we know about them so far they are most likely looking for someone to buy the franchise from them.

    So if we ever see another EQ game I'd bet on it coming from an Asian developer with deep pockets.

    Disclaimer: the above statements are based on absolutely no special insider information ;)

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  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    Well.. Landmark was never intended to be much of a game to begin with. It was a playgorund for EQ3 developemtn that once it took off someone decided to try and spin a spin-off from.

    With the core game dead as a Dront this is the logical step. It woudl take way to much money to clean up and populate the thing to get it to "game" level.

    SOE/DBG did aim for the sky, and i have no doubt that at least the dev team belived in the product. But the meal did not fit the mouth and the dead-line did not match the timeline.

    In the end i am a bit sad we never get to see the crazy game that EQ3 would have been. But at this point that is the mindset i always go in with "sure this look nifty, but it will never come out this way"

    So... Beyond two legacy products... DBG has nothing... It is for all intents a digital janitors departent.

    This have been a good conversation

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  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,050
    Phry said:
    lahnmir said:
    Ginaz said:
    lahnmir said:
    Aelious said:
    Burntvet said:
    Reizla said:
    /snip
    I feel for all those who fell for the vaporware and paid $100 to support both Landmark and EQNext.
    I don't.

    Anyone with a brain knew or should have known by looking at the stuff coming out of SOE/DBG that paying actual money for Landmark was foolish and a waste. It was clear that at best, Landmark was a testbed for EQ3, and not designed as an actual stand alone game.

    So the idiots that bought the BS for Landmark/EQ3 and actually paid money, deserve what they got. Being stupid should have consequences.


    This is just incorrect. They stated in the PC Gamer article that LM was intended to be a standalone title. That said I did pay the $100 for Landmark (no one paid anything for EQN/3) and felt I got more than enough enjoyment out of it. I think your gross generalization and disrespect for a whole group of people you couldn't possibly know is pretty immature.
    He's not immature, he's a 'vet.' Although judging from his rude post he's just burned and nothing else.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    He's still upset about Star Wars Galaxies and the nge so anything to do with soe/DBG is bound to trigger him.
    Awww, one of those. I didn't know they still existed, it has been centuries ago after all, in a galaxy far, far away..

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    If SWG was SOE's only infarction i doubt SOE would have 'died' and resulted in DBG, lest anyone forget, there is also Vanguard, Matrix Online, and who can forget the nefarious introduction of BFR's to Planetside 1, or the sale of Weapons in Planetside 2 that would be the envy of any real world arms dealer, seeing as they cost real money, of course SWG's NGE was perhaps the most public of SOE's missteps on the road to their own dissolution, but it was hardly the only one, it took serious effort on their own part to get to where DBG currently is.
    SOE's history at this point is largely irrelevant to the online gaming populace, i think its fair to say that the majority either never heard of them, or likely don't care any more, their demise was entirely their own doing, likely the only ones to really care about SOE/DBG's fall from grace are other developers, and likely as a cautionary tale. :o
    Ohh, I know all that, I was talking about SWG and the NGE debacle specifically.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • SpottyGekkoSpottyGekko Member EpicPosts: 6,916
    Kyleran said:

    Nilden said:



    I'm betting EQ3 announcement sooner or later. Not to mention whatever Myth Warden is.


    You seem really out of touch with this. This was EQ3, it failed, hard.

    Daybreak has neither the money or talent (let alone the player good will) to make EQ3 happen (or try to happen, again). If they did they wouldn't have cancelled EQNext. Most of which was built by players.



    I'm perfectly in touch with this. I'm willing to bet Columbus Nova will want to get everything they can from the EverQiest brand to return on their investment. What kind of game EQ3 will be? No clue. But it's their only truly valuable IP, and it will be used again.
    Why do think DBG will be the studio to "use" the EQ franchise?

    I'd say from what we know about them so far they are most likely looking for someone to buy the franchise from them.

    So if we ever see another EQ game I'd bet on it coming from an Asian developer with deep pockets.

    Disclaimer: the above statements are based on absolutely no special insider information ;)
    You are closer than you think
    The big Chinese and Korean dev houses are flush with cash, and eager to try and beat their rivals. It's also a known fact that they are looking at buying "western assets".

    At DBG, Russel Shanks recently "stepped down to pursue other interests", and was replaced by a Columbus Nova executive (Ji Ham) who is now "acting president". We also learned that Ji Ham was actually co-president shadowing Russel Shanks all along. One month later Landmark is canned...

    Nexon have announced that their American office will be run by Korean execs in future. The US execs will presumably "step down to pursue other interests"...

    Lots of maneuvering going on. It wouldn't surprise me if one of the big asian devs bought the EQ IP just to stop their rivals from getting it first.


  • lahnmirlahnmir Member LegendaryPosts: 5,050
    Kyleran said:

    Nilden said:



    I'm betting EQ3 announcement sooner or later. Not to mention whatever Myth Warden is.


    You seem really out of touch with this. This was EQ3, it failed, hard.

    Daybreak has neither the money or talent (let alone the player good will) to make EQ3 happen (or try to happen, again). If they did they wouldn't have cancelled EQNext. Most of which was built by players.



    I'm perfectly in touch with this. I'm willing to bet Columbus Nova will want to get everything they can from the EverQiest brand to return on their investment. What kind of game EQ3 will be? No clue. But it's their only truly valuable IP, and it will be used again.
    Why do think DBG will be the studio to "use" the EQ franchise?

    I'd say from what we know about them so far they are most likely looking for someone to buy the franchise from them.

    So if we ever see another EQ game I'd bet on it coming from an Asian developer with deep pockets.

    Disclaimer: the above statements are based on absolutely no special insider information ;)
    You are closer than you think
    You scare me, please let this not be true.

    /Cheers,
    Lahnmir
    'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'

    Kyleran on yours sincerely 


    'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'

    Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...



    'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless. 

    It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.

    It is just huge resource waste....'

    Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer

  • MadCoderOneMadCoderOne Member UncommonPosts: 220
    I'm so happy I found the IGNORE button, lower left of someone's profile page.
  • XingbairongXingbairong Member RarePosts: 927
    edited January 2017
    Daybreak... literally the worst company in existance.
    After they took over, everything went downhill.
    I've only ever played h1z1 and the way the handled things was so attrocious that I gave up on the game and I don't plan on ever playing any games even remotely related to Daybreak. Even if they are the only developer/publisher in the world I wouldn't play a game made by them. I'd rather stop playing games than having anything to do with this cancer of a company.
  • beebop500beebop500 Member UncommonPosts: 217
    edited January 2017
    I stayed away from this one, primarily since I don't do the whole pre-order/founder's pack stuff.  Glad I did, but I feel really bad for those of you who waited for this thing.  It looked pretty cool, even from the outside looking in.

    As horrendous as 2016 was for the MMO genre, I have the sinking feeling 2017 will be even worse.  There is nothing on the horizon (well, very little that isn't F2P Game Number 516,755, or a shameless cash grab, or "crowdfunded") and methinks we will see even more shuttering of games as vets (myself, for one) leave MMOs behind and the children that play them now hop from free game to free game.
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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited January 2017
    DayBreak comes... DayBreak Aims... DayBreak SCORES!

    3* down, 3 to go!

    Do you see the Eye on the Website Corner? Yup, they're the return of Sauron!
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  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    there goes your pve sandbox.
  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    bcbully said:
    there goes your pve sandbox.

    Wurm Online PVE server sandbox. 




  • Azaron_NightbladeAzaron_Nightblade Member EpicPosts: 4,829
    The whole "Daybreak is where MMOs go to die" that someone else mentioned recently feels all the more real. =/

    Guess this is what's in store for LotRO's players soon too...

    My SWTOR referral link for those wanting to give the game a try. (Newbies get a welcome package while returning players get a few account upgrades to help with their preferred status.)

    https://www.ashesofcreation.com/ref/Callaron/

  • SavageHorizonSavageHorizon Member EpicPosts: 3,480
    Kunai_Vax said:
    DMKano said:

    Kunai_Vax said:


    DMKano said:


    Kunai_Vax said:



    DMKano said:


    EQ3 - unless its a survival game wouldnt make any sense.

    MMORPGs have lost almost all popularity, and  on top of that are expensive to develop and take years of dev time.

    I dont see any western company unless its an indie effort making another mmorpg for a long time.






    Except for Amazon games which is building one right now.




    Nope - that wont be a MMORPG at all.

    "open-ended sandbox game set in a living, cursed land" - its going to be like Ark probably.

    Where did Amazon say that New World will be a MMORPG?


    You always put your opinions over as facts. 

    ''New World, an open-ended, sandbox MMO set in a fictional 17th century colonial America''.

    Thats from Amazon.co.uk
    You say ''game'' they say ''MMO'' 

    From their description i consider it an MMO. The whole MMORPG term is not as definded as it once was. 
    But its going to be a huge online world where you can do what you want. Including roleplay i assume?
    Thats how they described it, so why nit pick with me?

    You come off as very cold and hostile in a lot of your posts.



    My quote was from Amazon US site - so its not ME saying game, its Amazon Studios saying GAME. I trust US site over UK as the studio is in US.
     They said in their video we are all playing together and we basically make the content and decide what we do to each other. Its going to be online, over the interwebs. We can play the game however we want to play it, so i can roleplay if i choose to. They said its a game. 
    So from their description of their ''game'', i take it to be a Massively multiplayer online role playing ''game''.


     It's not worth even going back and forth with him. I guess thats how one build up there post count lol. 




  • FelixMajorFelixMajor Member RarePosts: 865
    Wow, Daybreak better do something new fast before they completely sink the ship.

    Originally posted by Arskaaa
    "when players learned tacticks in dungeon/raids, its bread".

  • cheyanecheyane Member LegendaryPosts: 9,386
    Can't really blame Sony for not wanting to throw good money after bad so they sold SOE off and we are seeing the affects of not having a company like Sony behind you. They stood by many of their games for many years and now when you see how other companies shut down games you will finally appreciate what the old guard had nurtured.
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  • laxielaxie Member RarePosts: 1,122
    edited January 2017
    Would they consider selling the EQ franchise?
    I can't imagine EQ1 and EQ2 are turning huge profits, a trend only to worsen if anything. With the cancellation of EQ Next and EQ Landmark, it seems the most viable move would be to put the EQ rights up for sale?

    An investment company could see the effort, both financial and in term of expertise, needed to make an EQ3. It might be more profitable to focus on zombie survival games and leave the EQ rights to someone else at this point.
  • SoulticeSoultice Member UncommonPosts: 112
    I hope anyone wanting to drop money on something not realized come to their senses. Here's looking at all of you star citizen fans.

    Stop dropping money hoping your dreams will be realized in pixels. Go outside and live in the real world for a change.
  • tawesstawess Member EpicPosts: 4,227
    People seem to think that DBG is some new god of death.... 

    It is not...

    It is simply what SOE is once SONY stop pouring money in to it for tax reasons =P 

    SOE did shit for many years, but was keept afloat by SONY. SONY grew tired and sold them. In essence leaving a boat with more holes than hull to float for it self... This ofc will never work. 

    Thus we see what we see now. 

    This is not really the fault of DBG per se... It is just what would have happened any way to SOE. SONY just sold them before they reached that point. (wisely) 

    This have been a good conversation

  • AmatheAmathe Member LegendaryPosts: 7,630
    Daybreak. Another day, something else broken. 

    EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests

  • Kunai_VaxKunai_Vax Member RarePosts: 527
    tawess said:
    People seem to think that DBG is some new god of death.... 

    It is not...

    It is simply what SOE is once SONY stop pouring money in to it for tax reasons =P 

    SOE did shit for many years, but was keept afloat by SONY. SONY grew tired and sold them. In essence leaving a boat with more holes than hull to float for it self... This ofc will never work. 

    Thus we see what we see now. 

    This is not really the fault of DBG per se... It is just what would have happened any way to SOE. SONY just sold them before they reached that point. (wisely) 
    I think you make a good point. People (myself included) have probably been a little too harsh with them. 
    Bill said they are hiring new staff and working on some new stuff so ill pull my negativity back a little.

    Daybreak... literally the worst company in existance.
    After they took over, everything went downhill.
    I've only ever played h1z1 and the way the handled things was so attrocious that I gave up on the game and I don't plan on ever playing any games even remotely related to Daybreak. Even if they are the only developer/publisher in the world I wouldn't play a game made by them. I'd rather stop playing games than having anything to do with this cancer of a company.
    But whenever i visit twitch im often greeted by H1Z1 as one of the top watched games right at that moment. Its often right up there with hearthstone, DOTA, overwatch etc. So it cant be that bad can it?

    DMKano said:
    @DmKano - I have very clearly been told by AGS employees that New World is indeed an MMORPG.
    Indeed. I have been told the same thing. Not sure why this is even a dispute. It IS going to be an MMO. Period.

    I agree 100% that it will be a MMO.

    That was never the discussion.
    Let it go dude..


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