There is no state. They won't comment or release any information on the state of play.
There was meant to be a demo for Squadron42 at Citizencon last year but they couldn't even get that completed. Then, after spending a large amount of time and resources creating the demo Chris Roberts decided that demos were a waste of time and effort so he scrapped it rather than show anything to the backers.
What a waste.
If there even was a demo. If it was so close to being done why not just release what you have to appease backers and silence critics then throw more fuel on the fire.
I don't understand why if they were so short on time, they would decide to put out two demos instead of just one in the first place. An SG42 demo was promised, then they decided to do two (sg42 and procedural landing), and to add more content to one (giant worm). This teams have been working together for over 4 years and have not learned how to evaluate what they can do in a certain amount of time.
I doubt it's the teams fault. They probably started working on the one, Chris said do the proc gen landings as well and then maybe he watched mission to mars or read Dune and told them to throw in a sandworm because it must have all the things!
If they had released the demo as promised who cares if it had bugs?
Oh please the first SQ42 footage ever, the "critics" crucified them over it.
Comparing how the characters looked on SQ42 with actually full proper released games and all that. Like that was how it would look at the end. They simply CAN'T afford to show one SQ42 looking and playing mediocrely.
SQ42 sets a standard and one expectation for the whole game SC is, it is not a dumb bet to delay it as much as to the moment they can show something impressive.
This game is fucked. Everyone knows it, even the backers. It has been given a good rogering for years now. It's reality. It does no good to stick fingers in ears or stick head in sand. It is what it is.
U mad? lol
Sorry your opinion is not it is what it is. A fucked game is not a game actively under development, that already shown impressive tech being demoed set to release on the next updates, it is instead a game that would and yes be already fucked up.
Try to isolate SC to make things look as bad as possible, dramatize everything as much as possible, that's the job some other people already are responsible for, as DS.
Fucked as in destroying the potential it had as a KS game.
Adding all this other stuff after the KS was over was the initial insertion. The constant mismanagement is the actual act. What the climax will be is yet to be seen.
If you think a currently in-development game cannot be screwed you are even blinder that I thought.
And one more time: Legitimate concerns. Not shit DS spouts every so often. Anyone with any sense knows he full of it. Although he puts just enough hard facts in his outpourings to make it seem legit. You just have to wade through the DS BS to find it.
I also find it funny that you are such a fanboy that you keep responding so negatively to someone that is on your side. You can be a fan of SC and still see and admit its many shortcomings.
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Fucked as in destroying the potential it had as a KS game. If you think a currently in-development game cannot be screwed you are even blinder that I thought.
What potential is being destroyed? I had not back the original scope of SC on the KS because that was not what I wanted to play. Later it grown to embed some elements (as the FPS) that then yes were what I was looking for.
And I didn't say that, you're claimed the game is fucked as a fact, and what do we have to back up the fact? Delays?! One Alpha with Bugs and issues?
Is that what the fucked game is? Or are you trusting the game is fucked because other people on the internet made blogs/posts saying the game IS fucked?!
Maybe we are running through MANY assumptions and take them as the facts instead. Because facts? Those are the hell of one grey area!
bartoni33 said: You can be a fan of SC and still see and admit its many shortcomings.
Yes I can. Absolutely. But I will respond to cheap attempts to give me moral lessons, you act neutral but you still villanize a side to victimize the other, so I can't stop feeling that from you.
Fucked as in destroying the potential it had as a KS game. If you think a currently in-development game cannot be screwed you are even blinder that I thought.
What potential is being destroyed? I had not back the original scope of SC on the KS because that was not what I wanted to play. Later it grown to embed some elements (as the FPS) that then yes were what I was looking for.
And I didn't say that, you're claimed the game is fucked as a fact, and what do we have to back up the fact? Delays?! One Alpha with Bugs and issues?
Is that what the fucked game is? Or are you trusting the game is fucked because other people on the internet made blog posts saying the game IS fucked?!
bartoni33 said: You can be a fan of SC and still see and admit its many shortcomings.
Yes I can. Absolutely. But I will respond to cheap attempts to give me moral lessons, you act neutral but you still villanize a side to victimize the other, so I can't stop feeling that from you.
I don't think we should continue this discussion, someone is going to end up banned.
Correct. No one wants the Bars of Shame here.
I do admire your persistence in keeping up the good fight against the real trolls, although it looks like of late that the Mods here are doing a great job by themselves. I kinda miss the days of Brenics and others. Forum PvP is not for everyone though.
I do hope I'm wrong BTW. But it's not looking good TBPO.
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There is no state. They won't comment or release any information on the state of play.
There was meant to be a demo for Squadron42 at Citizencon last year but they couldn't even get that completed. Then, after spending a large amount of time and resources creating the demo Chris Roberts decided that demos were a waste of time and effort so he scrapped it rather than show anything to the backers.
What a waste.
If there even was a demo. If it was so close to being done why not just release what you have to appease backers and silence critics then throw more fuel on the fire.
I don't understand why if they were so short on time, they would decide to put out two demos instead of just one in the first place. An SG42 demo was promised, then they decided to do two (sg42 and procedural landing), and to add more content to one (giant worm). This teams have been working together for over 4 years and have not learned how to evaluate what they can do in a certain amount of time.
I doubt it's the teams fault. They probably started working on the one, Chris said do the proc gen landings as well and then maybe he watched mission to mars or read Dune and told them to throw in a sandworm because it must have all the things!
I understand what you're saying and if that's true there must be something seriously wrong with his ability to manage workloads. The little bell never rings that reminds him if he keeps adding extra stuff his team won't be able to finish any of the projects on time.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I do hope I'm wrong BTW. But it's not looking good TBPO.
This runs by so MANY assumptions about what is the reality. I just hate when it's all by extremes, or it is all bad or it is a sea of roses. The fun part is that around the SC community I'm supposedly one hater, in here I'm its "biggest defender". Oh dear lord... >.>
I do hope I'm wrong BTW. But it's not looking good TBPO.
This runs by so MANY assumptions about what is the reality. I just hate when it's all by extremes, or it is all bad or it is a sea of roses. The fun part is that around the SC community I'm supposedly one hater, in here I'm its "biggest defender". Oh dear lord... >.>
That in a nutshell is why I haven't ever posted in the official forums. The obliviousness there if you are considered a hater must be mindboggling!
Oh BTW I see you just had to get in one more shot too after I extended an olive branch. Nice.
EDIT: Actually Erilion is the biggest defender here. You are merely his knave!
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The game is just a hype train to produce money. Its like the door to door salesman who has some stupid presentation that when criticized by science its a big fat lie. Even most of the salesmen themselves don't even realize they are lying with their presentations.
They were very smart but at the same time very deceptive. Giving false hopes of deadlines and false promises in order to generate hype, happy backers, and the results is people throw money at it. So in the end they got plenty of money and yes will end up making a game.
My problem is... I do not expect them to suddenly become reputable once the game launches. I expect them to continually spin the stories.
Just like every politician . They tell you what you want to hear. Even though they know its not possible they bank on the fact that voters are too stupid to realize it.
The game is just a hype train to produce money. Its like the door to door salesman who has some stupid presentation that when criticized by science its a big fat lie. Even most of the salesmen themselves don't even realize they are lying with their presentations.
They were very smart but at the same time very deceptive. Giving false hopes of deadlines and false promises in order to generate hype, happy backers, and the results is people throw money at it. So in the end they got plenty of money and yes will end up making a game.
My problem is... I do not expect them to suddenly become reputable once the game launches. I expect them to continually spin the stories.
Just like every politician . They tell you what you want to hear. Even though they know its not possible they bank on the fact that voters are too stupid to realize it.
That in a nutshell is why I haven't ever posted in the official forums. The obliviousness there if you are considered a hater must be mindboggling!
Oh BTW I see you just had to get in one more shot too after I extended an olive branch. Nice.
EDIT: Actually Erilion is the biggest defender here. You are merely his knave!
It's not only the forums, even the reddit is like this! And this goes for several other games, especially MMO's where it's hard to reach balanced discussions. It's interesting to be on both sides of the spectrum I must say, what happens here sometimes is a mirror of there, with the opposite narrative. And yeah I had to put that "biggest" under quotes! lol
I'm okay with an olive branch, I just expected a piece of bacon.
"Legitimate" threads folks. Like when SC blows through another self-imposed deadline. Or blows x amount of dollars on unneeded or unusable tech.
Technically that's still 1 thread every day, or even 1 thread every hour. Every hour that passes SC deadline is yet again overdue by another day. So technically it is accurate to make a thread every second. Though that's like just be the quickest way to get banned!
It is technically accurate because SC does not have a current deadline, and the last one was 2016, meaning there's no self-imposed deadline for them to blow. And the current ones are "we hope", "we expect" so can't make any official rock-solid dates of them either. O.o
You're right. There are too many of these. It'd be nice if we could confine it to one thread per year so we can keep it down to a manageable 10 or 12
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The game is just a hype train to produce money. Its like the door to door salesman who has some stupid presentation that when criticized by science its a big fat lie. Even most of the salesmen themselves don't even realize they are lying with their presentations.
They were very smart but at the same time very deceptive. Giving false hopes of deadlines and false promises in order to generate hype, happy backers, and the results is people throw money at it. So in the end they got plenty of money and yes will end up making a game.
My problem is... I do not expect them to suddenly become reputable once the game launches. I expect them to continually spin the stories.
Just like every politician . They tell you what you want to hear. Even though they know its not possible they bank on the fact that voters are too stupid to realize it.
@filmoret I might not like your style sometimes but I will defend your right to post shite to the death... or at least until my banning!
There is a ton of links and videos from CIG themselves proving what I said to be true. I'm not about to go find them for the sake of it just use google its quite easy.
google
Star marine release date sq42 release date Star citizen release date reason for star citizen delays
I've spent too much of my time looking through that stuff and I'm not going to do it again. I'm right about them.
Unless you wanna just say that Chris was extremely stupid. Then we can blame dumb luck on their money campaign.
There is no state. They won't comment or release any information on the state of play.
There was meant to be a demo for Squadron42 at Citizencon last year but they couldn't even get that completed. Then, after spending a large amount of time and resources creating the demo Chris Roberts decided that demos were a waste of time and effort so he scrapped it rather than show anything to the backers.
What a waste.
If there even was a demo. If it was so close to being done why not just release what you have to appease backers and silence critics then throw more fuel on the fire.
I don't understand why if they were so short on time, they would decide to put out two demos instead of just one in the first place. An SG42 demo was promised, then they decided to do two (sg42 and procedural landing), and to add more content to one (giant worm). This teams have been working together for over 4 years and have not learned how to evaluate what they can do in a certain amount of time.
I doubt it's the teams fault. They probably started working on the one, Chris said do the proc gen landings as well and then maybe he watched mission to mars or read Dune and told them to throw in a sandworm because it must have all the things!
I understand what you're saying and if that's true there must be something seriously wrong with his ability to manage workloads. The little bell never rings that reminds him if he keeps adding extra stuff his team won't be able to finish any of the projects on time.
He did manage to drive his previous game company into the ground without ever releasing a game so yeah I would say his ability to manage workloads is something that needs serious help
If they had released the demo as promised who cares if it had bugs?
Oh please the first SQ42 footage ever, the "critics" crucified them over it.
Comparing how the characters looked on SQ42 with actually full proper released games and all that. Like that was how it would look at the end. They simply CAN'T afford to show one SQ42 looking and playing mediocrely.
SQ42 sets a standard and one expectation for the whole game SC is, it is not a dumb bet to delay it as much as to the moment they can show something impressive.
So it's better to say things are weeks not months away and then not deliver or that we were this close to being able to show you a vertical slice but then we decided to throw out all the work we did?
I would think it would be the lesser of 2 evils to actually show what you have regardless of its bugs then to overhype and overpromise to sell ships and then go silent on the matter for weeks/months/years.
What you are saying is that the critics are silencing CIG because they are afraid of some pushback on their work or that they can't handle any criticism and if that's the case then they are in some serious trouble.
Also if they didn't want to be judged on how shit some of their graphics can look then Chris shouldn't be running his mouth off about this is the most open development ever! or always talking about fidelity!
The game is just a hype train to produce money. Its like the door to door salesman who has some stupid presentation that when criticized by science its a big fat lie. Even most of the salesmen themselves don't even realize they are lying with their presentations.
They were very smart but at the same time very deceptive. Giving false hopes of deadlines and false promises in order to generate hype, happy backers, and the results is people throw money at it. So in the end they got plenty of money and yes will end up making a game.
My problem is... I do not expect them to suddenly become reputable once the game launches. I expect them to continually spin the stories.
Just like every politician . They tell you what you want to hear. Even though they know its not possible they bank on the fact that voters are too stupid to realize it.
I'm not sure I'd call it an uninformed troll post. The initial paragraph is certainly combative and a bit hyperbolic but he's not wrong with regards to everything else.
eg. CIG do their build-up for an upcoming event, they show some shiny stuff and announce it will arrive by the end of the week / a couple of weeks / end of the year etc. They then announce an accompanying sale which gets bolstered by the upcoming content and then whoops-a-daisy they don't make the deadline.
How many times have we seen this happen? Or perhaps to be more precise, how many times have we not seen this happen? It seems too repetitive to just be incompetence, it's like some form of marketing that some SC backers are suckers for. If they're willing to do this now then there's a good chance they might behave similarly down the road, especially if they've got an enabling audience.
So it's better to say things are weeks not months away and then not deliver or that we were this close to being able to show you a vertical slice but then we decided to throw out all the work we did?
No it's not. It would have been better from the first place to not rush a demo that clearly was in risk of delivery due the tight timeframe (the event) on the first place.
But says who they decided to throw out all the work they did? Says who the work they did on the SQ42 missions they intended to show gameplay of, were not missions that will be part of the final game?
They would have thrown out all their work for its demo, if all SQ42 was, was a playthrough demo of SQ42.
The game is just a hype train to produce money. Its like the door to door salesman who has some stupid presentation that when criticized by science its a big fat lie. Even most of the salesmen themselves don't even realize they are lying with their presentations.
They were very smart but at the same time very deceptive. Giving false hopes of deadlines and false promises in order to generate hype, happy backers, and the results is people throw money at it. So in the end they got plenty of money and yes will end up making a game.
My problem is... I do not expect them to suddenly become reputable once the game launches. I expect them to continually spin the stories.
Just like every politician . They tell you what you want to hear. Even though they know its not possible they bank on the fact that voters are too stupid to realize it.
@filmoret I might not like your style sometimes but I will defend your right to post shite to the death... or at least until my banning!
There is a ton of links and videos from CIG themselves proving what I said to be true. I'm not about to go find them for the sake of it just use google its quite easy.
google
Star marine release date sq42 release date Star citizen release date reason for star citizen delays
I've spent too much of my time looking through that stuff and I'm not going to do it again. I'm right about them.
Unless you wanna just say that Chris was extremely stupid. Then we can blame dumb luck on their money campaign.
CR is not "stupid", just incompetent as a project leader. I agree that CR should keep his role in CIG as strictly "idea man". But what you are implying is that the whole game is a con. That is exactly what you said in your first sentence. That is totally not true at all.
Your trolling is just as bad as MaxBacon's Whiteknighting. The Ying and Yang of the gaming forums world.
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So it's better to say things are weeks not months away and then not deliver or that we were this close to being able to show you a vertical slice but then we decided to throw out all the work we did?
No it's not. It would have been better from the first place to not rush a demo that clearly was in risk of delivery due the tight timeframe (the event) on the first place.
But says who they decided to throw out all the work they did? Says who the work they did on the SQ42 missions they intended to show gameplay of, were not missions that will be part of the final game?
They would have thrown out all their work if all SQ42 was, was a demo of SQ42.
Quote from Chris Roberts himself from the newsletter.
"In anticipation of today's Live Stream, I did want to address one thing that I have been seeing speculation on in the forums: whether or not today's Live Stream will feature the Squadron 42 Vertical Slice.
After we made the decision before CitizenCon that the Squadron 42 vertical slice wasn’t ready to be shown publically, we spent some time on reviewing how far off we were and what we wanted to achieve in order to be comfortable showing a full chapter of S42 gameplay. After all the effort we expended for CitizenCon, we didn’t want to spend additional developer time polishing intermediate solutions if it wasn’t going towards the final product. A slick demo isn’t that helpful if it pushes back the finished game, so we decided that the priority should be completing full systems over getting the vertical slice into a showable state."
To me that reads that they threw out whatever work they did do(if any) because a demo is a intermediate solution and doesn't help the final product.
The game is just a hype train to produce money. Its like the door to door salesman who has some stupid presentation that when criticized by science its a big fat lie. Even most of the salesmen themselves don't even realize they are lying with their presentations.
They were very smart but at the same time very deceptive. Giving false hopes of deadlines and false promises in order to generate hype, happy backers, and the results is people throw money at it. So in the end they got plenty of money and yes will end up making a game.
My problem is... I do not expect them to suddenly become reputable once the game launches. I expect them to continually spin the stories.
Just like every politician . They tell you what you want to hear. Even though they know its not possible they bank on the fact that voters are too stupid to realize it.
I'm not sure I'd call it an uninformed troll post. The initial paragraph is certainly combative and a bit hyperbolic but he's not wrong with regards to everything else.
eg. CIG do their build-up for an upcoming event, they show some shiny stuff and announce it will arrive by the end of the week / a couple of weeks / end of the year etc. They then announce an accompanying sale which gets bolstered by the upcoming content and then whoops-a-daisy they don't make the deadline.
How many times have we seen this happen? Or perhaps to be more precise, how many times have we not seen this happen? It seems too repetitive to just be incompetence, it's like some form of marketing that some SC backers are suckers for. If they're willing to do this now then there's a good chance they might behave similarly down the road, especially if they've got an enabling audience.
But what you said is wrapped around a giant steaming turd of a lie IE: "The game is just a hype train to produce money".
If he had just wrote the second and third paragraph I would agree with the whole. But the first and to a lesser extent the last paragraph is just so much troll speak.
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Kefo said: To me that reads that they threw out whatever work they did do(if any) because a demo is a intermediate solution and doesn't help the final product.
Nope, and this was said before, they had to delay it the moment the demo would have required solutions just to make the demo work; They would have to fix the issues just for the demo instead of fixing the issues for the game.
You're twisting what was said many times, by many of the devs involved on that demo that the decision was made after the intermediate solutions started to become necessary to make it happen, not when they were already made. --'
Also as seen here:
There's much work that went there, characters, animations, environments, and so forfh; only a troll would claim all the devs worked to polish up to a demoable state was wasted because the demo was not shown.
The game is just a hype train to produce money. Its like the door to door salesman who has some stupid presentation that when criticized by science its a big fat lie. Even most of the salesmen themselves don't even realize they are lying with their presentations.
They were very smart but at the same time very deceptive. Giving false hopes of deadlines and false promises in order to generate hype, happy backers, and the results is people throw money at it. So in the end they got plenty of money and yes will end up making a game.
My problem is... I do not expect them to suddenly become reputable once the game launches. I expect them to continually spin the stories.
Just like every politician . They tell you what you want to hear. Even though they know its not possible they bank on the fact that voters are too stupid to realize it.
I'm not sure I'd call it an uninformed troll post. The initial paragraph is certainly combative and a bit hyperbolic but he's not wrong with regards to everything else.
eg. CIG do their build-up for an upcoming event, they show some shiny stuff and announce it will arrive by the end of the week / a couple of weeks / end of the year etc. They then announce an accompanying sale which gets bolstered by the upcoming content and then whoops-a-daisy they don't make the deadline.
How many times have we seen this happen? Or perhaps to be more precise, how many times have we not seen this happen? It seems too repetitive to just be incompetence, it's like some form of marketing that some SC backers are suckers for. If they're willing to do this now then there's a good chance they might behave similarly down the road, especially if they've got an enabling audience.
But what you said is wrapped around a giant steaming turd of a lie IE: "The game is just a hype train to produce money".
If he had just wrote the second and third paragraph I would agree with the whole. But the first and to a lesser extent the last paragraph is just so much troll speak.
Why don't you harp on the fact that I said they will end up producing a game? I mean I did say that too you know.... Now maybe you can take the whole thing into context.
I said very clearly 2 times in that statement that they are producing a game. Then you take something that is unclear and make it to mean something else?
Kefo said: To me that reads that they threw out whatever work they did do(if any) because a demo is a intermediate solution and doesn't help the final product.
Nope, and this was said before, they had to delay it the moment the demo would have required solutions just to make the demo work; They would have to fix the issues just for the demo instead of fixing the issues for the game.
You're twisting what was said many times, by many of the devs involved on that demo that the decision was made after the intermediate solutions started to become necessary to make it happen, not when they were already made. --'
Also as seen here:
There's much work that went there, characters, animations, environments, and so forfh; only a troll would claim all the devs worked to polish up to a demoable state was wasted because the demo was not shown.
They're building a demo, run into issues, decide not to finish the demo because those issues are specific to the demo..
Seems like that previous work on building a specific demo they decided never to finish was wasted time and effort. That seems pretty clear cut.
EDIT- just because they didn't scrap every single asset used in the demo, it doesn't mean they didn't waste time on the demo that would never be completed. It is very classic white knighting to submit the team wasted no time on that demo just because there are SOME things they can use elsewhere.
They're building a demo, run into issues, decide not to finish the demo because those issues are specific to the demo..
Are you listening to yourself? So they are building a demo, not a game?
So they were not developing SQ42, locked part of its content (a few missions), and then they had to NOT work on finishing up all the bits necessary to those missions on every aspect of the development?
Work created just for a DEMO that'd be the PG Planets tech demo, that is not something that will specifically be in the game, instead created to showcase X or Y thing, on the case, PG Planets. On that case, the planet was purposely created for the demo.
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Comparing how the characters looked on SQ42 with actually full proper released games and all that. Like that was how it would look at the end. They simply CAN'T afford to show one SQ42 looking and playing mediocrely.
SQ42 sets a standard and one expectation for the whole game SC is, it is not a dumb bet to delay it as much as to the moment they can show something impressive.
Adding all this other stuff after the KS was over was the initial insertion. The constant mismanagement is the actual act. What the climax will be is yet to be seen.
If you think a currently in-development game cannot be screwed you are even blinder that I thought.
And one more time: Legitimate concerns. Not shit DS spouts every so often. Anyone with any sense knows he full of it. Although he puts just enough hard facts in his outpourings to make it seem legit. You just have to wade through the DS BS to find it.
I also find it funny that you are such a fanboy that you keep responding so negatively to someone that is on your side. You can be a fan of SC and still see and admit its many shortcomings.
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And I didn't say that, you're claimed the game is fucked as a fact, and what do we have to back up the fact? Delays?! One Alpha with Bugs and issues?
Is that what the fucked game is? Or are you trusting the game is fucked because other people on the internet made blogs/posts saying the game IS fucked?!
Maybe we are running through MANY assumptions and take them as the facts instead. Because facts? Those are the hell of one grey area!
Yes I can. Absolutely. But I will respond to cheap attempts to give me moral lessons, you act neutral but you still villanize a side to victimize the other, so I can't stop feeling that from you.
I do admire your persistence in keeping up the good fight against the real trolls, although it looks like of late that the Mods here are doing a great job by themselves. I kinda miss the days of Brenics and others. Forum PvP is not for everyone though.
I do hope I'm wrong BTW. But it's not looking good TBPO.
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Fun, isn't it?
Oh BTW I see you just had to get in one more shot too after I extended an olive branch. Nice.
EDIT: Actually Erilion is the biggest defender here. You are merely his knave!
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They were very smart but at the same time very deceptive. Giving false hopes of deadlines and false promises in order to generate hype, happy backers, and the results is people throw money at it. So in the end they got plenty of money and yes will end up making a game.
My problem is... I do not expect them to suddenly become reputable once the game launches. I expect them to continually spin the stories.
Just like every politician . They tell you what you want to hear. Even though they know its not possible they bank on the fact that voters are too stupid to realize it.
OP doesn't look that bad in comparison does it.
@filmoret I might not like your style sometimes but I will defend your right to post shite to the death... or at least until my banning!
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I'm okay with an olive branch, I just expected a piece of bacon.
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google
Star marine release date
sq42 release date
Star citizen release date
reason for star citizen delays
I've spent too much of my time looking through that stuff and I'm not going to do it again. I'm right about them.
Unless you wanna just say that Chris was extremely stupid. Then we can blame dumb luck on their money campaign.
I would think it would be the lesser of 2 evils to actually show what you have regardless of its bugs then to overhype and overpromise to sell ships and then go silent on the matter for weeks/months/years.
What you are saying is that the critics are silencing CIG because they are afraid of some pushback on their work or that they can't handle any criticism and if that's the case then they are in some serious trouble.
Also if they didn't want to be judged on how shit some of their graphics can look then Chris shouldn't be running his mouth off about this is the most open development ever! or always talking about fidelity!
I'm not sure I'd call it an uninformed troll post. The initial paragraph is certainly combative and a bit hyperbolic but he's not wrong with regards to everything else.
eg. CIG do their build-up for an upcoming event, they show some shiny stuff and announce it will arrive by the end of the week / a couple of weeks / end of the year etc.
They then announce an accompanying sale which gets bolstered by the upcoming content and then whoops-a-daisy they don't make the deadline.
How many times have we seen this happen? Or perhaps to be more precise, how many times have we not seen this happen?
It seems too repetitive to just be incompetence, it's like some form of marketing that some SC backers are suckers for. If they're willing to do this now then there's a good chance they might behave similarly down the road, especially if they've got an enabling audience.
But says who they decided to throw out all the work they did? Says who the work they did on the SQ42 missions they intended to show gameplay of, were not missions that will be part of the final game?
They would have thrown out all their work for its demo, if all SQ42 was, was a playthrough demo of SQ42.
Your trolling is just as bad as MaxBacon's Whiteknighting. The Ying and Yang of the gaming forums world.
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Quote from Chris Roberts himself from the newsletter.
"In anticipation of today's Live Stream, I did want to address one thing that I have been seeing speculation on in the forums: whether or not today's Live Stream will feature the Squadron 42 Vertical Slice.
After we made the decision before CitizenCon that the Squadron 42 vertical slice wasn’t ready to be shown publically, we spent some time on reviewing how far off we were and what we wanted to achieve in order to be comfortable showing a full chapter of S42 gameplay. After all the effort we expended for CitizenCon, we didn’t want to spend additional developer time polishing intermediate solutions if it wasn’t going towards the final product. A slick demo isn’t that helpful if it pushes back the finished game, so we decided that the priority should be completing full systems over getting the vertical slice into a showable state."
To me that reads that they threw out whatever work they did do(if any) because a demo is a intermediate solution and doesn't help the final product.
If he had just wrote the second and third paragraph I would agree with the whole. But the first and to a lesser extent the last paragraph is just so much troll speak.
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You're twisting what was said many times, by many of the devs involved on that demo that the decision was made after the intermediate solutions started to become necessary to make it happen, not when they were already made. --'
Also as seen here:
There's much work that went there, characters, animations, environments, and so forfh; only a troll would claim all the devs worked to polish up to a demoable state was wasted because the demo was not shown.
I said very clearly 2 times in that statement that they are producing a game. Then you take something that is unclear and make it to mean something else?
Seems like that previous work on building a specific demo they decided never to finish was wasted time and effort. That seems pretty clear cut.
EDIT- just because they didn't scrap every single asset used in the demo, it doesn't mean they didn't waste time on the demo that would never be completed. It is very classic white knighting to submit the team wasted no time on that demo just because there are SOME things they can use elsewhere.
So they are building a demo, not a game?
So they were not developing SQ42, locked part of its content (a few missions), and then they had to NOT work on finishing up all the bits necessary to those missions on every aspect of the development?
Work created just for a DEMO that'd be the PG Planets tech demo, that is not something that will specifically be in the game, instead created to showcase X or Y thing, on the case, PG Planets. On that case, the planet was purposely created for the demo.