Does Star Citizen REALLY exist?

Loke666

MisterZebub said:

I see this the same as asking if a fiddly piece of furniture with many many little parts from IKEA still in the box exists. Yes it does it just isn't completely put together yet.

Well, besides that one missing screw.

But yeah, more then a few of the people is respect had a alpha glance and I just don't see them all being bribed. If the game will live up to the hype is another matter though, considering how much money so many people have put into it makes me doubtful (well, that and how it usually go when people hype a MMO). But then I been a half full glass kinda guy with MMOs in development since VG and AoC, it would be awesome to be proven wrong.

We really need a few good new MMOs.

Babuinix

TheScavenger said:

I log on to Star Citizen, and think "this is such vaporware, the game doesn't exist". I play the FPS module that came out, but is it like the matrix and all in my head?

I then decide to check out space in the online mode, and I see other people and can fly in a large game area (larger in my mind than most alpha game worlds are). Yet, this game is vaporware! I must have been drugged or hooked up to a machine making me think Star Citizen really exists. Because from reading so many posts here, I realized there is no game. There is no FPS module, there is nothing that exists as a game.

That means, either I am a lunatic and imagining things all in my head, or that I am in some kind of Matrix and its all not real. I try my best to make Star Citizen disappear from my mind, but sadly I can't bend the spoon and do as I wish. 

I know there is no game from reading these forums, its all vaporware, yet when I hop on Star Citizen...there is a game? I am really freaked out, as I need to see reality. I need to see the truth that there is nothing there. I need to beat the system of Matrix and escape this false reality and see the truth. Maybe the truth is, earth doesn't even exist or is taken over by aliens making each person see what they want to see. I truly want to see Star Citizen exist, so these aliens put a program to make sure I can play Star Citizen. To trick me into believing what is not true.

These forums are a doorway to reality, and everyone saying there is no game, are the ones in the real world. But here I am, in a matrix-style place, stuck here, able to play Star Citizen. Maybe I am an AI too and not even human? Maybe I'm a computer and I see what I am programmed to see.

One day I hope I can see reality and see the truth. Till then I'll enjoy playing Star Citizen, even knowing its vaporware and there is nothing to actually play.

:proud: Lovely post! It's all a dream!

Pigozz

Picture this:
You pay a construction company to build you a house and after you give em money for a luxurious mansion and 4 years to complete it, you visit the (ongoing) construction site where you see some cement, some bricks, a shovel here a shovel there, an empty hole which was supposed to be an awesome swimming pool (SQ42), and the supervisor tells you: Hey bro, you see its almost ready! You see we have all these blocks here ready and prepared! We just need to put it together -ezy peezy! Just give us a few more years...oh and some more money... and it will be finished in no time, we have all the ground work prepared (even though you see only an 1/nth of the complete groundwork) I promise! Just like I promised it would be finished 2 years ago!

Now how would you feel?

(I am the curious neighbor who kept watching the project from start and now is laughing his ass off btw)

Erillion

I would feel like the guy that was offered a house- to be finished in 2 years - but wanted a villa (to be finished in 5+ years). So i handed over the money for the villa, let them do their thing and - once in a while - I check on their progress. Meanwhile i visit one of my 223 other steam-powered houses instead. 


Have fun

MaxBacon

Pigozz said:

Now how would you feel?

How do you think the game Publishes feel?

Why do you think many games release feeling raw, unpolished, buggy and several times missing stuff? Why do you think several others are pushed towards Early Access?

Yup! Exactly that!

genaknosc

Pigozz said:

Picture this:
You pay a construction company to build you a house and after you give em money for a luxurious mansion and 4 years to complete it, you visit the (ongoing) construction site where you see some cement, some bricks, a shovel here a shovel there, an empty hole which was supposed to be an awesome swimming pool (SQ42), and the supervisor tells you: Hey bro, you see its almost ready! You see we have all these blocks here ready and prepared! We just need to put it together -ezy peezy! Just give us a few more years...oh and some more money... and it will be finished in no time, we have all the ground work prepared (even though you see only an 1/nth of the complete groundwork) I promise! Just like I promised it would be finished 2 years ago!

Now how would you feel?

(I am the curious neighbor who kept watching the project from start and now is laughing his ass off btw)

Great analogy if you included nobody ever having attempted to build a mansion as big as that before and the technologies for the houses components had not ever been combined successfully in that manner before either.

You would sound a lot like my curious neighbor though, who is dumb as shit btw, and I get tired of listening to him rant about global warming and obamacare, when he is in fact covered by ACA.

Octagon7711

Gdemami said:

Shoko_Lied said:
Probably due to the fact that the game is very technically detailed. Highly detailed ship models, functionality, themes, flight models. Lots and lots of code. Lots and lots of bugs. And not to forget a single player campaign that's not as high in public view as the multiplayer related news.

No, not really.

It is a masterful marketing presenting menial, ordinary dev wrok as something spectacular. It is something any dev studio goes through, they just do no talk about is as much.

One thing that stuck in my mind was the time CR was talking about how great it was that the music will change depending on what you're doing in the game.  He was really excited about it.  But a lot of games have been doing that for years now.  

Win lose or draw this is a fun ride and is one of the best reality shows I've ever had the privilege to watch.  It keeps you wondering what's going to happen next.  

MaxBacon

Octagon7711 said:
He was really excited about it.  But a lot of games have been doing that for years now.  

Immersion man. IMMERSION!

It's all about the details, it's the care about what the other MMO's per norm ignore that makes it unique, turns out, there's a demand for it!

Esuarfeeee

does it really?

bartoni33

Erillion said:

I would feel like the guy that was offered a house- to be finished in 2 years - but wanted a villa (to be finished in 5+ years). So i handed over the money for the villa, let them do their thing and - once in a while - I check on their progress. Meanwhile i visit one of my 223 other steam-powered houses instead. 


Have fun

That guy in your scenario is a Siamese twin, remember? Some of us were forced to wait, remember?

I feel like your twin that just wanted the house but is now forced to wait on the villa. We can still be salty when the builders keep screwing up the plans.

FlyByKnight

When is the MMO module coming out officially?

Until then remember that Firefall "exists" even today.

http://www.firefall.com/

Arglebargle

MisterZebub said:

I see this the same as asking if a fiddly piece of furniture with many many little parts from IKEA still in the box exists. Yes it does it just isn't completely put together yet.

And if the guy who puts it together is incompetent, the finished product won't resemble the description of it on the box.  

Better just hope the legs are all level.

DKLond

Arglebargle said:

MisterZebub said:

I see this the same as asking if a fiddly piece of furniture with many many little parts from IKEA still in the box exists. Yes it does it just isn't completely put together yet.

And if the guy who puts it together is incompetent, the finished product won't resemble the description of it on the box.  

Better just hope the legs are all level.

Wow, you're still in all of these threads saying exclusively the same personal things about CR over and over and over.

Have you considered whether your obsession with this person that you've never met is healthy or not?

Pigozz

genaknosc said:

Pigozz said:

[Mansion construction analogy]

Great analogy if you included nobody ever having attempted to build a mansion as big as that before and the technologies for the houses components had not ever been combined successfully in that manner before either.

You would sound a lot like my curious neighbor though, who is dumb as shit btw, and I get tired of listening to him rant about global warming and obamacare, when he is in fact covered by ACA.

I dont get how your neighbor analogy fits into mine as it makes 0 sense but I couldnt care less

On the other hand the fact that the supervisor tries this  never-before-achieved project and shows some random half-assed parts years and millions of dollars later - that should make one pretty sceptical

I really believe they are trying to make it work, but they are completeley over their heads. And its not just putting all these modules together

Its the terrible lag, the performance, the bugs and the content and balance that gets me worried, because these things take time, A LOT of time

(also the entire SQ42 project seems fishy as f**k)

DKLond

Pigozz said:

genaknosc said:

Pigozz said:

[Mansion construction analogy]

Great analogy if you included nobody ever having attempted to build a mansion as big as that before and the technologies for the houses components had not ever been combined successfully in that manner before either.

You would sound a lot like my curious neighbor though, who is dumb as shit btw, and I get tired of listening to him rant about global warming and obamacare, when he is in fact covered by ACA.

I dont get how your neighbor analogy fits into mine as it makes 0 sense but I couldnt care less

On the other hand the fact that the supervisor tries this  never-before-achieved project and shows some random half-assed parts years and millions of dollars later - that should make one pretty sceptical

I really believe they are trying to make it work, but they are completeley over their heads. And its not just putting all these modules together

Its the terrible lag, the performance, the bugs and the content and balance that gets me worried, because these things take time, A LOT of time

(also the entire SQ42 project seems fishy as f**k)

Why are you so worried about completely par-for-the-course performance issues and bugs in a game under development during the alpha stage?

How many alpha stage games have you played that didn't have performance issues and bugs?

Are you aware that CIG are going out of their way to detail upcoming solutions to the primary issues - including both lag and performance - as well as hosting a show that REVOLVES around bugs and fixing them.

It's not like they're trying to claim it's not full of issues - they're actively trying to encourage all the backers to participate in solving these issues.

So, what's so fishy about it? I don't get it.

cheyane

MisterZebub said:

I see this the same as asking if a fiddly piece of furniture with many many little parts from IKEA still in the box exists. Yes it does it just isn't completely put together yet.

Heh I enjoy putting together Ikea furniture , my husband tries to kick and smash it to bits when he cannot understand the simple instructions. I never let him near them. Once I was putting together a cabinet and asked him to help with the drawers and he lost his temper in like 10 minutes and tried to convince me to throw it away. I spent another hour doing it alone and it is still standing 11 years later.

sacredfool

MisterZebub said:

I see this the same as asking if a fiddly piece of furniture with many many little parts from IKEA still in the box exists. Yes it does it just isn't completely put together yet.

This is not exactly true. 

The furniture can both exist and not exist at the same time as long as it's not assembled. This famous thought experiment is called the Shroedinger's IKEA paradox.

kikoodutroa8

I'm playing Star Citizen too right now and it's awesome!

PottedPlant22

Erillion said:

I would feel like the guy that was offered a house- to be finished in 2 years - but wanted a villa (to be finished in 5+ years). So i handed over the money for the villa, let them do their thing and - once in a while - I check on their progress. Meanwhile i visit one of my 223 other steam-powered houses instead. 


Have fun

cracks are beginning to show.  have fun indeed.

Elsabolts

More PU and Ships less House and Villa!

rensta

Nope does not exist.   its still a scam and forever be a scam. until the game will be "done" the graphics will be outdated,they already almost are.... and its pre alpha.... Meh.... Yes you can pay some kind of game,But its not Star Citizen.

CrazKanuk

rensta said:

Nope does not exist.   its still a scam and forever be a scam. until the game will be "done" the graphics will be outdated,they already almost are.... and its pre alpha.... Meh.... Yes you can pay some kind of game,But its not Star Citizen.

Thanks! I needed a giggle today. 

Erillion

PottedPlant22 said:

cracks are beginning to show

... in the arguments of those that claimed that Star Citizen will fail.

We see constant updates and strong support by the backers ... even stronger than in the past.


Have fun

PottedPlant22

Erillion said:

PottedPlant22 said:

cracks are beginning to show

... in the arguments of those that claimed that Star Citizen will fail.

We see constant updates and strong support by the backers ... even stronger than in the past.


Have fun

The definition of fail is subjective.  Support is subjective as well.  Stronger support by the backers?  Not exactly what that's supposed to prove.  My point is that if they had actual real progress to show that explained within reason the amount of money they have spent vs. raised, there would no longer be discussions of whether it's a game or not.  The conversation would be about whether the game is any good or going in the right direction instead.  Honestly they're not even close to being there yet based on what they've projected to accomplish when they started asking people for money.  The fact that YEARS LATER people are still having this conversation is very telling.

Looking at the situation objectively, it doesn't look that great.  It looks like they are pushing something out, so they don't get sued.  The quality of that end product will probably ultimately be of much controversy.  The ongoing conversation will be an evolution of this one.  Star Citizen's byline will be "They're still working on it."  For how many more years will that satisfy the strong support of the backers?  Indefinitely?  /shrugs Who knows.  The one thing that is known for sure is that CR is benefiting way more from all of this than any of his fans/supporters/backers ever will.  Regardless of the ultimate outcome.

CrazKanuk

PottedPlant22 said:

Erillion said:

PottedPlant22 said:

cracks are beginning to show

... in the arguments of those that claimed that Star Citizen will fail.

We see constant updates and strong support by the backers ... even stronger than in the past.


Have fun

The definition of fail is subjective.  Support is subjective as well.  Stronger support by the backers?  Not exactly what that's supposed to prove.  My point is that if they had actual real progress to show that explained within reason the amount of money they have spent vs. raised, there would no longer be discussions of whether it's a game or not.  The conversation would be about whether the game is any good or going in the right direction instead.  Honestly they're not even close to being there yet based on what they've projected to accomplish when they started asking people for money.  The fact that YEARS LATER people are still having this conversation is very telling.

Looking at the situation objectively, it doesn't look that great.  It looks like they are pushing something out, so they don't get sued.  The quality of that end product will probably ultimately be of much controversy.  The ongoing conversation will be an evolution of this one.  Star Citizen's byline will be "They're still working on it."  For how many more years will that satisfy the strong support of the backers?  Indefinitely?  /shrugs Who knows.  The one thing that is known for sure is that CR is benefiting way more from all of this than any of his fans/supporters/backers ever will.  Regardless of the ultimate outcome.

How would you propose that you do this? I don't know how you'd like them to show any more real progress. PU is running and Star Marine is functional in a vacuum. What is it that you're looking for as far as progress? Are you looking for them to publish a percentage done? That's probably the only measure that would be of any use, but even that isn't very telling. You could be 90% done and have some sort of catastrophic, deep-rooted issue that ends up fucking you. The Repopulation was a perfect example of this. Granted they weren't 90% done, but they had performed a significant amount of work only to discover some major issues that they couldn't overcome with their current engine. That's the level of fucked I'm talking about. Also, stating a percentage doesn't mean anything because you can't specify a percentage as a unit of time. 

The fact that people are still having the conversation isn't telling at all. The conversation hasn't changed despite there being real progress. A year and a half ago, this was a game that was impossible. Today, this is a game that is of questionable quality, lol. Honestly, it's a fucking joke. 

So, again, the game went from something impossible to something that people talk about as an inevitability, but with questionable quality.....in alpha. Oh!, but with some of the most beautiful visuals of any game, except for the animations which are shit. 

Also, please feel free to fill me in on how CR is benefiting from this way more than anyone else ever will. You say it's the one thing that is known for sure, but I don't know it, so feel me in! 

The one thing that is known for sure is just because you own a company doesn't mean you benefit more than anyone else (Curt Schilling).