Thank you AMD

Alumicard

Intel just droped its prices by about-ish 20% according to this article: http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/

I'm curious do you think we can expect something like this in the GPU sector too? And do you think that Intel just charged a "because we can" tax or will they loose money with those reduced prices?

Quizzical

This again?  That article is flatly wrong.  Fake news, if you will.  So it would be nice if people would stop linking it.  I'll copy my explanation here, too.

That's not a price cut.  That's Micro Center.  Micro Center's business model is to sell CPUs at cost, but only for in-store pickup, not online.  The idea is to get you to come to their store to buy a CPU that they make nothing on, then get you to buy something else while there that they do make money on.  CPUs have very low failure and return rates as compared to other computer hardware, so they probably don't lose much money that way.

Alumicard

Quizzical said:

This again?  That article is flatly wrong.  Fake news, if you will.  So it would be nice if people would stop linking it.

I just found this article and sry if ppl posted it before. I don't want to question your explanation... I mean who am I to doubt Quiz?... but don't you think they would stick to their prices if they thought they could? If they don't earn anything on CPU sales then they must think people will be more attracted to AMD and therefor cut their prices to get Intel "fanboys" into their stores.

I didnt know their market was lure with cheap CPU and get them to buy a dishwasher but that means they know how to get people into their shop. And in turn means they know to get people to buy Intel they need to reduce prices. Heck it's their whole business to predict that stuff.

So why do you think that it is fake news?

edit: granted it wasn't Intel but a seller. But do you think a seller would sell the most recent product for a loss? 

Mikeha

#AMD4Life

Kilrain

I don't care if Intel drops their price or not, I'm still going AMD this round.

Renoaku

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113430&cm_re=ryzen-_-19-113-430-_-Product

Fuck Really 16 threads lol?

Will wait and see if its really good, I am interested in it .

Also I wonder if technology was stolen from intel I don't see AMD making this.

Dual Channel Memory No Quad Channel?

Moirae

*sighs* How about we stop hearing about "fake news". There's no such thing, there's only lying. As for whether THIS article is lying, how about googling it before you decide it's lying. It's been announced on dozens of websites, including EVGA. You have at your fingertips to single greatest depository of information to have ever existed to mankind. There is more information placed on the internet in a single day than the entirety of the first 4 million years of mankind together. You can take 10 seconds to type it into google before you say something. And that applies to EVERYTHING from how to clean your couch cushions, what car to buy, technological information, and all the way to politics and science. There is no reason in this day and age to not know something. 

Cleffy

Renoaku said:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113430&cm_re=ryzen-_-19-113-430-_-Product

Fuck Really 16 threads lol?

Will wait and see if its really good, I am interested in it .

Also I wonder if technology was stolen from intel I don't see AMD making this.

Dual Channel Memory No Quad Channel?

More than likely AMD and Intel standardized their design a few years ago. Without a standard, the platforms would become too different. I would say they share a good 90% of their design. The selling point is the difference in the final 10%. For instance every current Intel CPU uses x64 instead of Intel 64 because it was a design win, and then standardized. There are a lot of things from both companies integrated into current CPUs that a decade ago the other company didn't do well.

Quad channel would be nice but would increase cost on a consumer CPU. I imagine AMDs next workstation CPU will have Quad-Channel like the socket-G34 CPUs had. An interesting question will be what they will do on APUs since they are releasing so much later. All the Mobos have the video ports so you know they are coming. AMD definetly needs to sort out the memory by then to get sufficient bandwidth. I would like to see them release a 4 core part with 6 tflops of compute power.

filmoret

So one company did some price cuts.  At least we think they did.   What about the other 400k companies?  It wouldn't make much sense to cut prices before they have solid benchmarks.

Wizardry

Pretty simple economics and i mentioned it like just a few days ago.
The big ships determine the market and if nobody is pushing the envelope/market then everything remains stagnant or gets worse.

IMO it is still foolish because it tells me that there is a whole lineup of people that do NOT need the NEWEST but will go out and buy it anyhow at foolish prices and AMD knows it and Microsoft knows it,that is why the price changes.

You want prices to drop,then quit buying every new pile of unpolished junk that comes out.I just laugh at those wasting their money because within a few days after it is like,oh we need a patch or updated driver because performance is bad and having issues with said game/s.

Veexer_Nui

Unless they drop all prices by 50% or more, amd is still the better choice. All i5s are now irrelevant, amd is cheaper and faster. 6900k, 6950k are now replaced by 1800x, faster and 50% cheaper.

Vrika

Veexer_Nui said:

Unless they drop all prices by 50% or more, amd is still the better choice. All i5s are now irrelevant, amd is cheaper and faster. 6900k, 6950k are now replaced by 1800x, faster and 50% cheaper.

AMD's cheapest Ryzen (to be launched on March 2nd) will cost 50% more than Intel's most expensive I5.

I don't see any way AMD could make I5 irrelevant with these processors. Their upcoming 4 core and 6 core versions might be a different matter, but those versions aren't here yet and we don't even know their specs and prices yet.

Quizzical

Alumicard said:

Quizzical said:

This again?  That article is flatly wrong.  Fake news, if you will.  So it would be nice if people would stop linking it.

I just found this article and sry if ppl posted it before. I don't want to question your explanation... I mean who am I to doubt Quiz?... but don't you think they would stick to their prices if they thought they could? If they don't earn anything on CPU sales then they must think people will be more attracted to AMD and therefor cut their prices to get Intel "fanboys" into their stores.

I didnt know their market was lure with cheap CPU and get them to buy a dishwasher but that means they know how to get people into their shop. And in turn means they know to get people to buy Intel they need to reduce prices. Heck it's their whole business to predict that stuff.

So why do you think that it is fake news?

edit: granted it wasn't Intel but a seller. But do you think a seller would sell the most recent product for a loss? 

It is what I said it was.  Most retailers buy various goods in large quantities, mark them up, and resell them to the general public for a higher cost than they paid.  That's how they make money.

What Micro Center does is to resell CPUs without marking them up, but with the caveat that you have to come to a physical store and buy the CPU in person.  That commonly makes buying a CPU from Micro Center cheaper than you can new find it anywhere else.

The reason they do that is that, once they've got you in their store, you're likely to buy something else while there.  People rarely buy just a CPU and that's it.  More commonly, they buy a CPU and motherboard and memory and other stuff, as they're building a new computer entirely.  If Micro Center can get you in the door by offering a cheap CPU, and then you buy the rest of your new computer there with a suitable markup, that's how they make money on you.

This isn't a scam.  Their prices are reasonably competitive and if you live near a Micro Center and want to buy computer parts in person rather than getting them shipped online, they'll often be the best option.  I'd certainly sooner buy from Micro Center than Best Buy.

All of the links in that article are to Micro Center.  Apparently the author noticed that buying Intel CPUs today from Micro Center is cheaper than the MSRP elsewhere.  He either didn't realize or selectively ignored that that has been pretty much continuously true for years, and is also true of AMD CPUs.  Exactly nothing about CPU prices changed that led to writing that article.

Now, maybe Intel will cut prices at some point.  They do occasionally cut prices on particular SKUs, especially when they launch a new, higher clocked bin and a previous clock speed is now further down their product stack.  But everyone selling at MSRP except for Micro Center selling for substantially less is the way it has been for years.  That's not a price cut and it's not new.

Quizzical

Moirae said:

*sighs* How about we stop hearing about "fake news". There's no such thing, there's only lying. As for whether THIS article is lying, how about googling it before you decide it's lying. It's been announced on dozens of websites, including EVGA. You have at your fingertips to single greatest depository of information to have ever existed to mankind. There is more information placed on the internet in a single day than the entirety of the first 4 million years of mankind together. You can take 10 seconds to type it into google before you say something. And that applies to EVERYTHING from how to clean your couch cushions, what car to buy, technological information, and all the way to politics and science. There is no reason in this day and age to not know something. 

If someone makes up a story that seems intuitively plausible but is completely wrong, and then other sites don't want to get left behind in the feeding frenzy and pass it along without checking to see whether it is true, that doesn't mean the story is suddenly true.  It only means that it's a false story that has been widely distributed.

Let's look at just the Core i7-7700K, for example.  Here's Intel saying $339-$350:

http://ark.intel.com/products/97129/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_50-GHz?q=7700K

Here's New Egg charging $350:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726

Here's Amazon charging $349:

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Desktop-Processor-i7-7700K-BX80677I77700K/dp/B01MXSI216/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1488121605&sr=8-1&keywords=core+i7+7700k

That's not everyone cutting prices on a CPU that used to be $400, either.  Here's a launch day review saying $339:

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-Review-Kaby-Lake-and-14nm

But Micro Center has it at $300 because they always charge less for CPUs, and someone decided that that means Intel cut prices by $80 on a CPU that was never $380, with the possible exception of early price gouging due to shortages.  Then other sites ran with the story without checking to see if it was true.  I'm telling you that it isn't.

Kyleran

If Quiz says it, I believe it when hardware is being discussed.

BTW, mocking someone about their lack of research skills and having it shoved back in your face...priceless.