A clean sweep for Intel. If Intel have "felt the pressure" of Ryzen then they seem to have responded. Have to assume that AMD's next step will be Ryzen 5.
NB: the recommendations are for "gaming" not "servers".
Up to some caveats:
1) It ignores the HEDT market that Ryzen 7 is aimed at. There's no Broadwell-E on that list. Intel has released desktop versions of Gulftown, Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E, Haswell-E, and Broadwell-E, so presumably it's a big enough market to care about.
2) It considers CPU cost in isolation. In particular, it ignores motherboard cost, which is pretty strongly influenced by chipset prices. In the past, Intel has commonly charged more than AMD for chipsets, though I wouldn't be surprised if that changes with Ryzen.
3) It ignores the truly low end where you have to use an integrated GPU. AMD pretty obviously dominates there due to their far superior GPUs. Ryzen is irrelevant to this market, of course.
But Zen cores in other markets are a far bigger problem for Intel than Ryzen in particular, even once the lower end Ryzen parts are out.
I'm going to have to build a new gaming rig in the near future, and knowing where the Intel/AMD war sits is invaluable, right now.
Anything you think I should hold out for? I'm planning to be under a $600 budget for MB/CPU/DIMM when I decide to pull the trigger. I've got an R290 GPU that's still got some use left in it, but will probably replace it within the year.
If it's purely for gaming, or perhaps gaming and some other things like web browsing that don't push the computer hard, then if a Core i7-7700K fits your budget, I don't see a better gaming CPU showing up anytime soon. If that doesn't fit, then a Core i5-7600K probably does. If you're inclined to overclock, I don't see Ryzen being competitive with an overclocked Core i5-7600K except in cases where you could have used more than four cores.
If a Core i5-7600K doesn't fit your budget, or if you want to stay at stock speeds, then the rumored Ryzen quad cores might be a compelling product on a smaller budget. No clue when they'll launch, though, as AMD might plausibly not have the foundry capacity to produce as many chips as they'd like. AMD isn't going to gratuitously cut down Ryzen chips further than they have to until they can produce more of the top bin than they can sell, so it could plausibly be a while before Ryzen salvage parts show up. Or they might launch next week, for all I know.
Took your advice, Quizz, went with an ASUS/I7-7700K 16Gig combo from Newegg. I went through some serious insanity with getting good parts, including having the processor stolen from the original shipment @ Fedex. It runs great, and oh so quiet compared to my old phenom II system which pretty much needed a hurricane of fans to keep it cool. I'm 5 gig stable, still quiet, and luvin' it.
I do have to give props to AMD, though. With new vid cards every few years, My Phenom II 9850 gave decent frame rates on most games to date and with an SSD, it still makes for a perfectly good non-gaming machine at almost 10 years old; and I could have updated it further.
Thanks again for your advice, Quizz!
(Edit: I could do a whole topic on how awesome Newegg has been; thought I'd keep it simple.)
I'm going to have to build a new gaming rig in the near future, and knowing where the Intel/AMD war sits is invaluable, right now.
Anything you think I should hold out for? I'm planning to be under a $600 budget for MB/CPU/DIMM when I decide to pull the trigger. I've got an R290 GPU that's still got some use left in it, but will probably replace it within the year.
If it's purely for gaming, or perhaps gaming and some other things like web browsing that don't push the computer hard, then if a Core i7-7700K fits your budget, I don't see a better gaming CPU showing up anytime soon. If that doesn't fit, then a Core i5-7600K probably does. If you're inclined to overclock, I don't see Ryzen being competitive with an overclocked Core i5-7600K except in cases where you could have used more than four cores.
If a Core i5-7600K doesn't fit your budget, or if you want to stay at stock speeds, then the rumored Ryzen quad cores might be a compelling product on a smaller budget. No clue when they'll launch, though, as AMD might plausibly not have the foundry capacity to produce as many chips as they'd like. AMD isn't going to gratuitously cut down Ryzen chips further than they have to until they can produce more of the top bin than they can sell, so it could plausibly be a while before Ryzen salvage parts show up. Or they might launch next week, for all I know.
Took your advice, Quizz, went with an ASUS/I7-7700K 16Gig combo from Newegg. I went through some serious insanity with getting good parts, including having the processor stolen from the original shipment @ Fedex. It runs great, and oh so quiet compared to my old phenom II system which pretty much needed a hurricane of fans to keep it cool. I'm 5 gig stable, still quiet, and luvin' it.
I do have to give props to AMD, though. With new vid cards every few years, My Phenom II 9850 gave decent frame rates on most games to date and with an SSD, it still makes for a perfectly good non-gaming machine at almost 10 years old; and I could have updated it further.
Thanks again for your advice, Quizz!
(Edit: I could do a whole topic on how awesome Newegg has been; thought I'd keep it simple.)
Good to hear good things about newegg as theyve been getting crushed by Amazon lately.
I dont know how much longer Newegg is going to be around.
I've never been impressed with Amazon's pricing when it comes to computer hardware. I've always found it significantly cheaper through other sources.
I used to buy a lot of stuff through Newegg, their site made it easy to find the computer components you are looking for.
I heard Newegg was bought out by a Chinese firm. What that means for Newegg I don't know.
Lately, I just use it as a search engine, and then Hoverhound the Newegg link over to purchase it at Amazon. Prices are similar, I have Prime so that works for me too, and Amazon returns are pretty good - as good or better than Newegg.
Yes, I can find lower prices, but it's hard to find lower prices, with 2 day shipping, and no hassle returns.
I'm going to have to build a new gaming rig in the near future, and knowing where the Intel/AMD war sits is invaluable, right now.
Anything you think I should hold out for? I'm planning to be under a $600 budget for MB/CPU/DIMM when I decide to pull the trigger. I've got an R290 GPU that's still got some use left in it, but will probably replace it within the year.
If it's purely for gaming, or perhaps gaming and some other things like web browsing that don't push the computer hard, then if a Core i7-7700K fits your budget, I don't see a better gaming CPU showing up anytime soon. If that doesn't fit, then a Core i5-7600K probably does. If you're inclined to overclock, I don't see Ryzen being competitive with an overclocked Core i5-7600K except in cases where you could have used more than four cores.
If a Core i5-7600K doesn't fit your budget, or if you want to stay at stock speeds, then the rumored Ryzen quad cores might be a compelling product on a smaller budget. No clue when they'll launch, though, as AMD might plausibly not have the foundry capacity to produce as many chips as they'd like. AMD isn't going to gratuitously cut down Ryzen chips further than they have to until they can produce more of the top bin than they can sell, so it could plausibly be a while before Ryzen salvage parts show up. Or they might launch next week, for all I know.
Took your advice, Quizz, went with an ASUS/I7-7700K 16Gig combo from Newegg. I went through some serious insanity with getting good parts, including having the processor stolen from the original shipment @ Fedex. It runs great, and oh so quiet compared to my old phenom II system which pretty much needed a hurricane of fans to keep it cool. I'm 5 gig stable, still quiet, and luvin' it.
I do have to give props to AMD, though. With new vid cards every few years, My Phenom II 9850 gave decent frame rates on most games to date and with an SSD, it still makes for a perfectly good non-gaming machine at almost 10 years old; and I could have updated it further.
Thanks again for your advice, Quizz!
(Edit: I could do a whole topic on how awesome Newegg has been; thought I'd keep it simple.)
Good to hear good things about newegg as theyve been getting crushed by Amazon lately.
I dont know how much longer Newegg is going to be around.
Are you asserting that New Egg is getting crushed by Amazon in their core market of computer hardware? In total sales, certainly, and in also markets for random other things that New Egg entered more recently. But in computer hardware components, at least if we restrict to the United States?
My problem with Amazon has long been that their search tool is basically broken. It misses a lot of results that should hit, while throwing in a bunch of random junk completely unrelated to what you're looking for. So while they sometimes have some good prices, you can't necessarily find them. That's the main reason why I almost never link to Amazon, at least when choosing parts for someone in the US or Canada.
pcpartpicker makers linking to Amazon easier. I do wish Amazon's search was more like Newegg's, but Newegg has become a bit cumbersome to use. Doing something like opening more than 6 tabs on newegg causes slow downs.
If Newegg went down, it would be a lose/lose; I don't care who you are. Fan of Intel, AMD, Ford/Chevy/Dodge... so knock that crap off... please?
I'm a fan of them all, and of all of them making their case.
I used to be an ABIT fan, back when ABIT existed. This is my oldschool cred... yo...?
But if you'd indulge me, I'd ask for you to have your honest opinions about the machines, rather than about where X will lose Y shares until Z is released...
I agree whole heartedly, I would hate to see Newegg go. If for no other reason than they make for a great search engine for Amazon. I say that sounding mean, aand I don't really mean it that way. I have bought a lot of stuff through Newegg, and I can't think of a bad case of customer support that I've had with them. Returns have been pretty easy.
It's just that lately they have been pushing "Premium", they have added a ton of random crap that isn't electronic in nature at all and dilutes their value to me, allowed third-party resellers that seem to do nothing but buyout & markup, and I already pay for Prime for Amazon.
I just don't order as much stuff from Newegg as I used to. They are trying so hard to be like Amazon that they lost track of what made them so good in the first place. It's like if Fry's decided they wanted to compete against Wal-Mart.
I agree whole heartedly, I would hate to see Newegg go. If for no other reason than they make for a great search engine for Amazon. I say that sounding mean, aand I don't really mean it that way. I have bought a lot of stuff through Newegg, and I can't think of a bad case of customer support that I've had with them. Returns have been pretty easy.
It's just that lately they have been pushing "Premium", they have added a ton of random crap that isn't electronic in nature at all and dilutes their value to me, allowed third-party resellers that seem to do nothing but buyout & markup, and I already pay for Prime for Amazon.
I just don't order as much stuff from Newegg as I used to. They are trying so hard to be like Amazon that they lost track of what made them so good in the first place. It's like if Fry's decided they wanted to compete against Wal-Mart.
Same here, i will check new egg first to get a name/brand of an item i want to use on Amazon for the search.
But it is a one time kind of deal buying from them for me. When i am in the market for a whole system i am going to build, i go New Egg all the way. Just so easy to get everything in one spot at decent prices.
But for an item here and there...i will go with the cheapest place, and i also have Prime, so that is always a part of the decision i make. The free 2 day shipping on everything i buy, and it really adds up over a year since i use them for so much, just hard to go elsewhere and have it make sense.
I used to be an ABIT fan, back when ABIT existed. This is my oldschool cred... yo...?
I loved my ABIT BP6, that was a fun build. Good memories.
I think I had the BE-6. Seems like you could get 566 out of a celeron when the fastest P4 (edit: methinx those were P3's...)was 500 stock and cost like 700 bucks. And that was without any crazy, exotic cooling. Later I ended up getting a 566 celeron to over 800 with the same board with pretty much 0 effort.
Ah, the good old days. Before the dark times. Before... the Empire...
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1) It ignores the HEDT market that Ryzen 7 is aimed at. There's no Broadwell-E on that list. Intel has released desktop versions of Gulftown, Sandy Bridge-E, Ivy Bridge-E, Haswell-E, and Broadwell-E, so presumably it's a big enough market to care about.
2) It considers CPU cost in isolation. In particular, it ignores motherboard cost, which is pretty strongly influenced by chipset prices. In the past, Intel has commonly charged more than AMD for chipsets, though I wouldn't be surprised if that changes with Ryzen.
3) It ignores the truly low end where you have to use an integrated GPU. AMD pretty obviously dominates there due to their far superior GPUs. Ryzen is irrelevant to this market, of course.
But Zen cores in other markets are a far bigger problem for Intel than Ryzen in particular, even once the lower end Ryzen parts are out.
Took your advice, Quizz, went with an ASUS/I7-7700K 16Gig combo from Newegg. I went through some serious insanity with getting good parts, including having the processor stolen from the original shipment @ Fedex. It runs great, and oh so quiet compared to my old phenom II system which pretty much needed a hurricane of fans to keep it cool. I'm 5 gig stable, still quiet, and luvin' it.
I do have to give props to AMD, though. With new vid cards every few years, My Phenom II 9850 gave decent frame rates on most games to date and with an SSD, it still makes for a perfectly good non-gaming machine at almost 10 years old; and I could have updated it further.
Thanks again for your advice, Quizz!
(Edit: I could do a whole topic on how awesome Newegg has been; thought I'd keep it simple.)
I've never been impressed with Amazon's pricing when it comes to computer hardware. I've always found it significantly cheaper through other sources.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I heard Newegg was bought out by a Chinese firm. What that means for Newegg I don't know.
Lately, I just use it as a search engine, and then Hoverhound the Newegg link over to purchase it at Amazon. Prices are similar, I have Prime so that works for me too, and Amazon returns are pretty good - as good or better than Newegg.
Yes, I can find lower prices, but it's hard to find lower prices, with 2 day shipping, and no hassle returns.
Are you asserting that New Egg is getting crushed by Amazon in their core market of computer hardware? In total sales, certainly, and in also markets for random other things that New Egg entered more recently. But in computer hardware components, at least if we restrict to the United States?
My problem with Amazon has long been that their search tool is basically broken. It misses a lot of results that should hit, while throwing in a bunch of random junk completely unrelated to what you're looking for. So while they sometimes have some good prices, you can't necessarily find them. That's the main reason why I almost never link to Amazon, at least when choosing parts for someone in the US or Canada.
I'm a fan of them all, and of all of them making their case.
I used to be an ABIT fan, back when ABIT existed. This is my oldschool cred... yo...?
But if you'd indulge me, I'd ask for you to have your honest opinions about the machines, rather than about where X will lose Y shares until Z is released...
It's just that lately they have been pushing "Premium", they have added a ton of random crap that isn't electronic in nature at all and dilutes their value to me, allowed third-party resellers that seem to do nothing but buyout & markup, and I already pay for Prime for Amazon.
I just don't order as much stuff from Newegg as I used to. They are trying so hard to be like Amazon that they lost track of what made them so good in the first place. It's like if Fry's decided they wanted to compete against Wal-Mart.
I loved my ABIT BP6, that was a fun build. Good memories.
Same here, i will check new egg first to get a name/brand of an item i want to use on Amazon for the search.
But it is a one time kind of deal buying from them for me. When i am in the market for a whole system i am going to build, i go New Egg all the way. Just so easy to get everything in one spot at decent prices.
But for an item here and there...i will go with the cheapest place, and i also have Prime, so that is always a part of the decision i make. The free 2 day shipping on everything i buy, and it really adds up over a year since i use them for so much, just hard to go elsewhere and have it make sense.
I think I had the BE-6. Seems like you could get 566 out of a celeron when the fastest P4 (edit: methinx those were P3's...)was 500 stock and cost like 700 bucks. And that was without any crazy, exotic cooling. Later I ended up getting a 566 celeron to over 800 with the same board with pretty much 0 effort.
Ah, the good old days. Before the dark times. Before... the Empire...