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So what happened to PG planets and landing on them?
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Are you really condoning people not being accountable for their actions? Also, there was an announcement that it was being pushed. They were doing another 2.x patch release and pushing 3.0 until 2017. This is no different than ED delaying Horizons. I mean people already bought it, right? Then they delayed it. They did the same with <insert nearly every game here>. I can appreciate someone being pissed that CIG is constantly pushing back schedules, but I think it's fucking hilarious when people try to sell ideas like their entire purchase decision was based off the release date. Fuck, it wasn't even a release date! It was an Alpha update! So the guy is, essentially, complaining about a game in Alpha that is not even entering a Beta state, it's an Alpha release.
Yes, I am condoning this, with extreme prejudice!!!!! Until we've reached a level of accountability, as a society, where we can live up to that same expectation, then companies should continue to do what they're doing. ACTUALLY, I lead a team who is highly innovative and I actually pressure them to be more aggressive with their estimates. As it stands, we meet our estimates almost 100% of the time, which is fantastic!! Or is it? Reason being is that I can give a fluffy estimate and hit it 100% of the time any day of the week. That doesn't mean I'm doing a good job, though. I ask my team to strive to be around the 70-80% mark. It means that they are taking risks. Would I accept if they were missing dates 100% of the time? Nope! However, I think that we only, really, every concentrate on the failures of CIG. I haven't seen an objective list of what they accomplished on schedule versus off-schedule. If you've got it, I'd love to see it, though.
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Well, he DID inform people of those changes ....
There is even a link to the development timeline these days ....
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/schedule-Report
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Lol, by what standard? Honestly, I'm almost done with transparency. I asked for it for years, but now I feel like it's too much information and people simply can't handle it. This is in Alpha. A decade ago it's likely you wouldn't have heard about it yet, let alone get some insight into their development schedule. As for the notice itself, for someone operating under an iterative development cycle, how much notice would you like, exactly? Lol, they're probably working on 2-week iterations, lol.
Honestly, if there ever needed to be a case against offering transparency, SC is it! Meanwhile, back at the ranch, CU says something is going to be delayed and it's like "Yes, sir, very good sir" Lol. They're not talking about the timing of the notification of the delay, LMAO. There is, literally, no advantage to offering transparency because you still get the same commentary one way or another. If it went back to announcing a game 1 year out from release, I think it would solve the problem. Like they say, loose lips sink ships.
Crazkanuk
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I didn't miss the point at all, actually I think you're just furthering the proof of the point I was making. We know what we know, in that the schedule moved, but you seem to believe that we also know what we don't know, which is the "Why" of that move. Was it an underlying technological problem that they couldn't overcome, or is it a shift in priorities? If it was an issue with technology, maybe they decided it was something that would be best solved in a later iteration when that work actually became critical path. Maybe they felt like some of the work occurring after the fix would actually roll up into a fix for the underlying technology and that work was scheduled for a later date. Maybe they just felt like they really needed to implement some sounds on the space door because it was removing the immersion necessary in a creative work environment. We just don't know the why. In the end, though, it doesn't really matter because even if you had the GREATEST answer in the world, there would be something to pick apart, which is why transparency is, unfortunately, a bad thing for game development, overall.
Crazkanuk
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"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
Transparency? If they werent in a perpetual ship selling state they wouldnt tell anyone anything. They only show people what they want to show, and mostly stuff just to get them excited so they spend more money. Which this topic speaks to.
PG planets in reality shouldnt be THAT difficult and the fact that, despite them allegedly allowing 'journalists' to try out the tech, no one else has and it has been postponed to AT LEAST whenever 3.0 comes out which who knows when that will be.
How about the parts of the movie I showed were fake? The parts where they claimed to be able to open up a crate, have a dragonfly sitting there. Allow you to get on it, start it up, take of from INSIDE a ship fly through OPEN space, and then eventually fly INSIDE another ship. Then land it, get off, and get in the driver seat of the 'cargo' ship and fly to a planet then take off from inside that ship on the dragonfly and then fly around the planet? ALL without a single loading screen....
Is ANY of that going to be in 3.0? Other than maybe a flyable version of the dragonfly. Which for some reason will have the 'ability' to operate within other ships 'disabled'. Even if they do offer it.
And of course everyone remembers my fake video breakdown. That was August 2016, EVERY SC supporter claimed they would be seeing all that by Christmas. Here it is St Patricks Day almost and not one single thing ANY of those gamescon 'gameplay' videos showed has made it to the test server. Not a single one, let alone the stuff I said was faked.
So when will ANY of that get put on the test bed?
It might take time but all the negative stuff people claim about this game eventually gets proven. Now, I am sure you will all claim the predictable 'delays happen' But that begs the OBVIOUS question, if they had that then and were ACTUALLY Playing it then why cant they put it out now? Especially considering that at that point they were (according to them) 8 months into the Amazon platform exchange which according to everyone was going to make everything faster and easier to implement. So one would think that that fake video if it were actual gameplay footage was 'played' on the new 'build'.
And lets not start on SQ 42 that was also supposed to be out by Dec but even the most ardent supporters didnt believe that one. But even so three months later there is still no realistic time table involving its release to the test server either.
So now its PG planets. Which is obviously the easiest of the three to implement.
In any event every 'next big' release on the test server is immediately followed by 'well we can hope the NEXT one delivers'. Because there hasnt been a single one that made SIGNIFICANT leaps to make this project anything other than it is, a perpetual development ATM machine for Chris Roberts and his cling ons.
Which is a lie.
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It might take time but the game will eventually get proven... released.
And that's all that matters, everything else will be years of noise surrounding the game's development; because in the end the game will be judged by its quality; not by how much money they've funded/spent, or by space doors, or by coffee machines.
I can link EVERY video, faked or otherwise, they have recorded at every convention they have done. With all the blockbuster additions they were going to add to the test bed. Those go back at least three years if not four. Not a single one, to my recollection has been added. Certainly none of the 'big' stuff like the planet stuff (simply landing on and taking off from or landing in a base and taking off from that base) that has been talked about for all of those years. Of course the excuse there is they have now switched to PG planets and all that had to be redone. Yeah where have we heard that before?
Have they done ANYTHING that they havent claimed to have to redo at least twice if not 3 or 4 times?
The funny part is people claim it takes a lot to make an mMO, which it does. With the amount of times these guys have redone things they have made 5.
That kinda defeats the purpose of having your backers test the game to get rid of bugs unless this is bizarro world.
Either CIG doesn't care that some people don't have unlimited internet or they are too incompetent to program a file patcher.
It ain't the backers that are asking PG to be released stand-alone from the 3.0 update. So idk why should they feel forced to re-prioritize their dev pipeline to do so. lol
I'm not saying release PG standalone but it must have been in a build of the game that journalists could play unless they were playing something created just for them in which case CIG can easily release that with a giant disclaimer saying "here's the demo we showed journalists and it might not reflect final product but at least you can see where we are"
Thinking like that is is absolutely delusional. Devs are able to demo this sort of stuff way before it actually releases, and they do.
I fact checked myself. They actually did deliver something they showed at a convention. But I post that link so people can see what was said then in 2013 and the money they cited and where we are now. They even released that one time if my memory serves.
Funny how they did things on time and how they claimed they would back when they werent swimming in cash and jpeg sales....
Seema kind of odd to make the claim open and transparent but then hide things behind closed doors don't you think?
ofc the logical conclusion is that they are delaying things on purpose and pretend to develop the game to sell more ships. I think people are so delusional if they believe selling ships is really where the money-making machine is hehe
I would bet on this that when the main revenue stream is implemented within the game, and driven by it (that shouldn't be far from what was mentioned about it), how the narratives about ship sales are going to turn upside down ASAP.