Are there any differences between a i7 6700 OCed to 4.5 and a 7700k?

hatefulpeace

I canceled my order for my i5 7600k, due to a blizzard, so now that I have more time to look. I was wondering if any one has any direct experience from upgrading from a 6700 to a 7700. According to this they are the same thing. At least in GTA 5 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7-7700K_vs_6700K_Game_Performance/15.html.

Ridelynn

Unless your using IGP, pretty much same thing.

hatefulpeace

Actually I take it back now lol. I am going to buy a ryzen 1700. I didnt understand that the only difference between a 1700 and 1800x was the clock speed, and these guys are saying they got 4.0 with the stock cooler it comes with. I  mean that saves me 100 bucks right there. 

hatefulpeace

Ridelynn said:

Unless your using IGP, pretty much same thing.

Thank you. 

13lake

stock cooler easy 4.0Ghz but temps are gonna be quite high, at least get a deepcool gammaxx 400 to put it on, it's compatible out of the box with am4 clip mechanism. 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856005  $25 before rebate

It's just a little bit weaker than noctua nh-u12s that reviewers used.

And depending on how much money you can spend, you should really get some quality ram (samsung b-die or c-die as oem). 

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog

AMD mentioned some of the sticks in their newest blog post.

Only get 2x8GB, and safe bets are 3000Mhz/3200Mhz geil evo x, g.skill trident z , and some corsair models, but most corsair are hynix dual-rank which don't play nice.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232209&cm_re=trident_z-_-20-232-209-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820158130&cm_re=geil_evo_x-_-20-158-130-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530&cm_re=g.skill_flare-_-20-232-530-_-Product

for ryzen in 1080p, the jump from 2400Mhz to 3200Mhz memory is like 0.2Ghz overclock on the cpu itself.

13lake

Oh btw, oc for both cpu and ram works fine on cheaper boards, but if you want something balanced get the Asus Prime x370-pro (very similar vrm setup as crosshair VI and taichi/professional but without doublers and 40A chokes instead of 45A/60A, and different pwm controller)

With 0505 bios any samsung b-die/c-die can run 3000Mhz easy with xmp/d.o.c.p profile, and 3200Mhz with some minor bios tweaked settings.

Also in may new bioses come with increased memory overclock speeds.

https://forum.overclock3d.net/showpost.php?p=939975&postcount=102

The 0505 bios isn't on the website but you can find it in above link.

However if you want 3200/3400/3666 now it's possible with motherboards with unlocked bclk by putting the bclk to 140-145Mhz, and setting the multiplier and the memory speed lower, while adjusting soc voltage a bit, and lowering llc level.

gervaise1

You might just want to wait. Especially with regards AMD - let game developers (hopefully) get used to what the cpu's capabilities.

At the moment you have recent reviews like: 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-vs-intel-kaby-lake-gaming,4977.html

and stuff on Anandtech etc. which might help.

hatefulpeace

13lake said:

stock cooler easy 4.0Ghz but temps are gonna be quite high, at least get a deepcool gammaxx 400 to put it on, it's compatible out of the box with am4 clip mechanism. 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856005  $25 before rebate

It's just a little bit weaker than noctua nh-u12s that reviewers used.

And depending on how much money you can spend, you should really get some quality ram (samsung b-die or c-die as oem). 

https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog

AMD mentioned some of the sticks in their newest blog post.

Only get 2x8GB, and safe bets are 3000Mhz/3200Mhz geil evo x, g.skill trident z , and some corsair models, but most corsair are hynix dual-rank which don't play nice.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232209&cm_re=trident_z-_-20-232-209-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820158130&cm_re=geil_evo_x-_-20-158-130-_-Product

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232530&cm_re=g.skill_flare-_-20-232-530-_-Product

for ryzen in 1080p, the jump from 2400Mhz to 3200Mhz memory is like 0.2Ghz overclock on the cpu itself.

Well if I have to buy a cooler, than I mise well go with the i7, I was only doing it because it was 100 dollars cheaper, because i didnt think i needed to buy a cooler. 

hatefulpeace

gervaise1 said:

You might just want to wait. Especially with regards AMD - let game developers (hopefully) get used to what the cpu's capabilities.

At the moment you have recent reviews like: 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-vs-intel-kaby-lake-gaming,4977.html

and stuff on Anandtech etc. which might help.

God this makes the choice hard hahaa. Some of those tests he shows the ryzen wins, like in dues ex. I wish I could find some one playing the games I play lol. The main reason I am buying this is for Empyrion, but there is no comprehensive testing to say a i7 or a ryzen would be better.  This really confuses me to now that you sent me that. I am buying this specifically to play 4k games, from all those tests, when it goes up to a higher resolution like shadows of mordor at 1440 the 1800x actually beats the i7 7700k

hatefulpeace

Nah that made me buy the 1700. I wish they would tell you that, i mean 1080 is useless to me. 

13lake

hatefulpeace said:

Well if I have to buy a cooler, than I mise well go with the i7, I was only doing it because it was 100 dollars cheaper, because i didnt think i needed to buy a cooler. 

You don't need a cooler, just don't expect to be able to do 4.0Ghz 24/7 with low temps unless u get a really lucky in silicon lottery.

I just linked you a $25 cooler that works out of the box and is the best price/performance deal on the market atm so that you could do 3.9-4.0Ghz at ~1.4v and under 70-72 degrees celsius

The 1700 stock cooler is awesome but it's gonna be in the high 70s to 80s, and it's not gonna be very silent

hatefulpeace

13lake said:

hatefulpeace said:

Well if I have to buy a cooler, than I mise well go with the i7, I was only doing it because it was 100 dollars cheaper, because i didnt think i needed to buy a cooler. 

You don't need a cooler, just don't expect to be able to do 4.0Ghz 24/7 with low temps unless u get a really lucky in silicon lottery.

I just linked you a $25 cooler that works out of the box and is the best price/performance deal on the market atm so that you could do 3.9-4.0Ghz at ~1.4v and under 70-72 degrees celsius

The 1700 stock cooler is awesome but it's gonna be in the high 70s to 80s, and it's not gonna be very silent

Do you happen to know if the am4 is the same socket cooler for a am3. I already have a good cooler for my 8350, think it would fit?

13lake

hatefulpeace said:

Do you happen to know if the am4 is the same socket cooler for a am3. I already have a good cooler for my 8350, think it would fit?

Only the Asus Crosshair VI has both AM3 and AM4 holes but its $95 more expensive than  the Asus Prime x370-pro.

Every other x370/b350 mobo doesn't have AM3 holes. But every cpu cooler manufacturer is shipping free conversion brackets except prolimatech.

You can even buy noctua and be quiet! ones already if u dont wanna wait for delievery.

What cpu cooler do you have ? if it's an old corsair water cooling it might be able to go on the stock mounting clips.

hatefulpeace

13lake said:

hatefulpeace said:

Do you happen to know if the am4 is the same socket cooler for a am3. I already have a good cooler for my 8350, think it would fit?

Only the Asus Crosshair VI has both AM3 and AM4 holes but its $95 more expensive than ASus Prime x370-pro.

Every other x370/b350 mobo doesn't have AM3 holes. But every cpu cooler manufacturer is shipping free conversion brackets except prolimatech.

You can even buy noctua and be quiet! ones already if u dont wanna wait for delievery.

What cpu cooler do you have ? if it's an old corsair water cooling it might be able to go on the stock mounting clips.

My friend gave it to me, I believe it is this one. 
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118074

13lake

hatefulpeace said:

My friend gave it to me, I believe it is this one. 
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118074

Tough luck, no news from zalman about brackets, you could email them.

However pretty much any decent cooler is gonna outperform it, and your budget is the price difference from the motherboard you buy to the Crosshair VI

I'm pretty sure the $25 deepcool would match or outperform that zalman cooler, though there's plenty of awesome $40-$50 stuff as well like thermalright true spirit 140 direct.

13lake

gervaise1 said:

You might just want to wait. Especially with regards AMD - let game developers (hopefully) get used to what the cpu's capabilities.

At the moment you have recent reviews like: 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-vs-intel-kaby-lake-gaming,4977.html

and stuff on Anandtech etc. which might help.

High speed ram lowers the 1080p penalty, due to auto cache overclock (due to fixed ratio between ram speed and cache) and other things (like infinity fabric cross CCX latency) And like win10 not properly recognizing ryzen 7 as 2 NUMA nodes, etc, ...

Also highly speculative, but the infinity fabric connecting the 2 4-core modules might be even more sensitive to ram clock/latency.

The NUMA issue (and non-direct scheduler issues) was ironically proven by pcper, while trying to disprove broad scheduler issues to a random poster

check the F1 2016 comparison on amd blog for some interesting details.

hatefulpeace

13lake said:

hatefulpeace said:

My friend gave it to me, I believe it is this one. 
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118074

Tough luck, no news from zalman about brackets, you could email them.

However pretty much any decent cooler is gonna outperform it, and your budget is the price difference from the motherboard you buy to the Crosshair VI

I'm pretty sure the $25 deepcool would match or outperform that zalman cooler, though there's plenty of awesome $40-$50 stuff as well like thermalright true spirit 140 direct.

Thanks for the tips man. I decided on 1700 now even though it is 309, due to the 4k thing, and the fact it has 8 physical cores. I think I will go with this one if i can figure out where to get the bracket. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172454909563?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

If there are no brackets i can get with it, I will go with the dark rock 3, due to I want a white black build.

Guess the dark rock 3 doesnt have the brackets with it either. 

Actually its cheaper here.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835709011&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-CPU+Cooling-_-N82E16835709011&gclid=CIew4PCB2tICFY6PswoddSYDQw&gclsrc=aw.ds

13lake

hatefulpeace said:

Thanks for the tips man. I decided on 1700 now even though it is 309, due to the 4k thing, and the fact it has 8 physical cores. I think I will go with this one if i can figure out where to get the bracket. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172454909563?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

If there are no brackets i can get with it, I will go with the dark rock 3, due to I want a white black build.

Guess the dark rock 3 doesnt have the brackets with it either. 

np, in box only major brand coolers that mention it (like Noctua SE-AM4) or i guess coolers manufactured after february will have it (risky).

I know overclockers.co.uk are gonna have some be quiet! brackets for dark rock 3 soon, but in any case you need to email phanteks/be quiet! support and ask how long the delivery would be to where you live.

(You would need to pay shipping for  the AM4 bracket)

Or if your budget is large, then get Asus Crosshair VI

hatefulpeace

13lake said:

hatefulpeace said:

Thanks for the tips man. I decided on 1700 now even though it is 309, due to the 4k thing, and the fact it has 8 physical cores. I think I will go with this one if i can figure out where to get the bracket. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172454909563?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

If there are no brackets i can get with it, I will go with the dark rock 3, due to I want a white black build.

Guess the dark rock 3 doesnt have the brackets with it either. 

np, in box only major brand coolers that mention it or i guess manufactured after february will have it.

I know overclockers.co.uk are gonna have some be quiet! brackets for dark rock 3 soon, but in any case you need to email phanteks/be quiet! support and ask how long the delivery would be to where you live.

(You would need to pay shipping for  the AM4 bracket)

Well Ill just wait than, there is no hurry. Your saying just be easy on the overclocking till then. Which I dont even know if ill have to overclock to be honest lol. I just like to have potential there. I am doing 4k 60hz, for empyrion, starbound, and shadow of mordor atm. Maybe throw some Black desert online in there for fun to see the fps. 

13lake

hatefulpeace said:

Well Ill just wait than, there is no hurry. Your saying just be easy on the overclocking till then. Which I dont even know if ill have to overclock to be honest lol. I just like to have potential there. I am doing 4k 60hz, for empyrion, starbound, and shadow of mordor atm. Maybe throw some Black desert online in there for fun to see the fps. 

Yup, it boosts on 2 cores 3.6Ghz-3.75Ghz regularly on default settings. And you can do 3.6Ghz on all cores at 1.13v which would keep temps really low, or 3.8Ghz at 1.25v