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It's a niche market / game and therefore they don't want to look too great, the target is actually 100k per server with a look at 4 servers so 200k is the minimum for an eu and us server.
There is no reason their model can't be scaled upwards if needed though.
100k players.. per server?
The lack of realism is off the charts.
All I can say is: That's a Big Twinkie
I'd like them to explain the server tech they will use to support 100K per server, particularly how many concurrently online they're expecting.
I'm assuming something along the megaserver route which likely be heavily instanced.
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I know to people not real familiar with coe, that it's easy to think p2w. The guy posting, Adam, who has gone double king tiers for NA-E doesn't seem to be making a good argument other than that Caspian needs to work on perception better, because you have the situation, you have now.
I know some people make points about projected population being unrealistic. I mean yeh, very possible, but that's not the point of this discussion. I wish you all well in your prospective mmos.
And if you post on that forum, the backers that paid even $50 or $100 will go crazy defending the game that will not be fully released til 2021 or longer as if they put their life savings and 4 years of study into the "game."
I love that game's idea and really wish it well so I can play it too. But my god I cannot stand reading forums like those full of gamers that want to pay to win, and that are so badly wanting a great game they will say anything to attack anybody that brings up concerns.
I'd like them to explain the server tech they will use to support 100K per server, particularly how many concurrently online they're expecting.
I'm assuming something along the megaserver route which likely be heavily instanced.
Don't think they will ever have to deal with tech stuff like that.
If they manage to reach a stable community of 10k people then I would be highly impressed.
You are only allowed to buy items, which presumably will be used to build the game world itself. It takes a lot of materials to build a town. So yes, the person who pays more will have a town to start. However, having a town without having a way to protect it means you will have nothing soon enough. The people who did not spend money on the game will target him just to take hit loot. Taking his loot should be simple enough unless he is paying a monthly upkeep to real players to protect him. Even then, some of his own people will be willing to rob him from the inside. His advantage is only temporary and it is not even a skill/combat advantage, its just in game loot.
So after 285 posts, the majority of them from backers critical of the P2W system, the CEO decides to post some babbling like this:
-------------------------- So the goal going forward can't be about trying to convince people we’re not P2W, the focus going forward needs to be on changing the conversation. The fact that the conversation is P2W right now is our fault.
Consider this: If we're able to reach our minimum goal of 200,000 players, then the couple thousand gentry, aristocracy, and nobility that exists across all our servers is as little as 5% of our total player-base. That means those people at launch who care about exposition or our EP store is extremely small!
And yet, out focus on Domain and Settlement Selection, settlement merging, our Pledge Packages, and even Exposition has lead people to believe that EP and Exposition has, or will have, a significant impact on the overall player experience. But it won't. To 190,000 people, the fact that Exposition even existed is irrelevant. They're never going to know, and never going to care. They're entering a world which was built and customized by players and that's all they should care about.
When 190,000 players buy a spark of life to play the game, the game is simply Buy-to-play. The only reason people feel differently is because of the attention we're giving to something that applies to only 5% of the population - at most.
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If this guy thinks that his population base is magically going to multiply by 20 times at release, and those 190000 new players aren't going to care that the 10,000 already playing for 3 months are running around with their Legendary items, superior skills, vaults of resources and literally preformed armies... I think he is utterly delusional.
You have to love how he just assumes 190,000 people will join his game. Did he pull these people from thin air? And why is this group of people going to be so blissfully ignorant of what happens before they join? He must anticipate a large number of illiterate sheep in his future player base.
This offers no achievement through actions, only through the wallet. At least, they appear to have (temporarily) stopped trying to label their version of Pay-to-Win as Pay-to-Build or whatever nonsense they had. There is no concept of a 'fair and level playing field' in this project; never has been; never will be.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
When I first heard of this game I was interested but the more I hear, the more I plan to stay away. It is in a similar situation as Star Citizen. As long as the game is not actually launched, they can say anything, make promises and generally draw out development as long as possible.
No game that I know of has been able to #1 provide an advantage to whales that is not removable while also #2 holding on to the majority of its player base. Someone above said people buying towns will easily lose them. That can not be the case because if it is, the developer will quickly lose its whales who will provide the majority of their support. If the advantage of whales is not able to be removed, the player base dwindles to minimum levels and your game gets a bad reputation like Archeage.
I dont understand how Caspian can say that allowing a King to set tax rates and create laws for his kingdom will not affect the other 95% of the players. Are the other 95% of players all going to play on some island that is not effected by these (whales) players?
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
It's a niche market / game and therefore they don't want to look too great, the target is actually 100k per server with a look at 4 servers so 200k is the minimum for an eu and us server.
There is no reason their model can't be scaled upwards if needed though.
100k players.. per server?
The lack of realism is off the charts.
...
I'd like them to explain the server tech they will use to support 100K per server, particularly how many concurrently online they're expecting.
I'm assuming something along the megaserver route which likely be heavily instanced.
Oh, that's an easy one !
The miracle of SpatialOS will make it all work...
AFAIK, the design calls for 100K active characters on the server, but that's a mix of player chars and NPC's.
Player characters become NPC's when the player logs off. So your character is always on the server, either being controlled by you or being driven by a script in your absence.
It's a niche market / game and therefore they don't want to look too great, the target is actually 100k per server with a look at 4 servers so 200k is the minimum for an eu and us server.
There is no reason their model can't be scaled upwards if needed though.
100k players.. per server?
The lack of realism is off the charts.
All I can say is: That's a Big Twinkie
I'd like them to explain the server tech they will use to support 100K per server, particularly how many concurrently online they're expecting.
I'm assuming something along the megaserver route which likely be heavily instanced.
I'm assuming you are my following the game because that's already been talked about.
The software that allows them to do what they are saying and more is by Improbable its a new company start-up that's just got 500m in inveatment.
Maybe you should read up on the game before wasting my time having to read another comment by someone who doesn't have a clue what he is talking about.
Some of us know all about the startup company with little experience, using the startup engine from another startup company. This was the reason given by the developer and fans when the Dec 2017 launch date was given on Kickstarter. How's that date looking? Of course I'm just guessing, but I think the startup company using the startup engine by another startup company is needing to push their launch date back by a long long time. Maybe YEARS, because its not quite as simple as it was assumed when they launched the Kickstarter. Of course, what I DO know is that time = money and the longer this is in development, the more money needs to be raised to support it so it makes sense to me that they need the blatant P2W items for sale.
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Btw those that are saying 200k is too big a number, he has stated that is optimal number, more would be good less is still doable thanks to npcs.
Also you understand that wow had at least 6,000,000 subscribers. So if he could tap even 3% of that market (not including the players of other mmorpgs then he could easily hit that number.
Finally, your all saying that sbs won't be able to run the game even with 200k subs, he many of you have actually run an mmorpg or computer dev company and understand the finances??
Lets go point by point here... just for kicks: Btw those that are saying 200k is too big a number, he has stated that is optimal number, more would be good less is still doable thanks to npcs.
WRONG. He actually stated (and is quoted earlier) If we're able to reach our minimum goal of 200,000 players. Huge difference between OPTIMAL and MINIMUM. Why do I have to keep correcting things that are so evident. Simply read the forums...
Also you understand that wow had at least 6,000,000 subscribers. So if he could tap even 3% of that market (not including the players of other mmorpgs then he could easily hit that number.
Wow... if I had $1 for every developer that said I only need X% of WoW's subscriber base I would be rich! ProTip: I only need X percent of some other guys success is NOT a reason or justification for your own success.
Finally, your all saying that sbs won't be able to run the game even with 200k subs,
No... actually we AREN'T "all saying" that. If they get 200k subs they will obviously have PLENTY of cash to run the company. What most are saying is that we think it's highly unlikely that the population will explode from 10,000 today to 200,000 at launch and that making a 20x population jump assumption and basing your game on it is silly.
he many of you have actually run an mmorpg or computer dev company and understand the finances??
Did you ask this of Caspien? You DO realize that this is his first time running an mmorpg company right? And this is why from the very beginning most of us have been highly suspect of the ability of the company to deliver all these revolutionary promises on a shoestring budget in a very small development timeframe. THANK YOU for making the same point we have been making!
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he many of you have actually run an mmorpg or computer dev company and understand the finances??
Nice freudian slip there.
Not "He" that is for sure.
Predictive text on my phone. But hey you take it how you want, I mean that is what I have observed here people twisting what's said to flame.
If you people dislike coe don't follow it and leave this forum for people interested in it
You are the one making random claims and twisting facts. If this game is that important to you then maybe you should take 30 seconds to check for spelling and grammar mistakes before hitting the post button.
The monetization model that has been taken way out of context and only reported half of what it involves just to help his troll comments...
I don't know many people that live in a bubble of denial. I have to say though, that if you honestly think CoE is not P2W with the current monetization, you are welcome to feel unique.
Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start... just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down. He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it. So many of those folks understand. It's just a few who buy into the whole "Pay To Build" shenanigans and that nobody will remember the huge advantages these folks bought when launch comes.
Have no fear... should this game get to release... we will remind them
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The monetization model that has been taken way out of context and only reported half of what it involves just to help his troll comments...
I don't know many people that live in a bubble of denial. I have to say though, that if you honestly think CoE is not P2W with the current monetization, you are welcome to feel unique.
Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start... just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down. He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it. So many of those folks understand. It's just a few who buy into the whole "Pay To Build" shenanigans and that nobody will remember the huge advantages these folks bought when launch comes.
not 4000, he said he got 300 messages and then he blew it up in the general forums with no sauce. everything in CoE has always been a META with him and this is no different.
The monetization model that has been taken way out of context and only reported half of what it involves just to help his troll comments...
I don't know many people that live in a bubble of denial. I have to say though, that if you honestly think CoE is not P2W with the current monetization, you are welcome to feel unique.
Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start... just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down. He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it. So many of those folks understand. It's just a few who buy into the whole "Pay To Build" shenanigans and that nobody will remember the huge advantages these folks bought when launch comes.
not 4000, he said he got 300 messages and then he blew it up in the general forums with no sauce. everything in CoE has always been a META with him and this is no different.
Seriously why can't you "fans" get simple facts straight? Why do I know your game and community better than you guys? Here is the EXACT quote:
Nope no King tier information drop. This post as I said before, is me putting together the concerns of 300+ people who have private messaged me 4000+ times over the last week with these exact concerns regarding the EP store.
So please, think twice before trying to correct me on a factual statement. Maybe he's bullshitting and you don't believe him, but he says he got OVER 4000 messages on the subject. His thread also ended up with a +103 rating as of right now so it's fairly obvious that more actual people believed what he posted than didn't.
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The monetization model that has been taken way out of context and only reported half of what it involves just to help his troll comments...
I don't know many people that live in a bubble of denial. I have to say though, that if you honestly think CoE is not P2W with the current monetization, you are welcome to feel unique.
Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start... just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down. He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it. So many of those folks understand. It's just a few who buy into the whole "Pay To Build" shenanigans and that nobody will remember the huge advantages these folks bought when launch comes.
not 4000, he said he got 300 messages and then he blew it up in the general forums with no sauce. everything in CoE has always been a META with him and this is no different.
Seriously why can't you "fans" get simple facts straight? Why do I know your game and community better than you guys? Here is the EXACT quote:
Nope no King tier information drop. This post as I said before, is me putting together the concerns of 300+ people who have private messaged me 4000+ times over the last week with these exact concerns regarding the EP store.
So please, think twice before trying to correct me on a factual statement. Maybe he's bullshitting and you don't believe him, but he says he got OVER 4000 messages on the subject. His thread also ended up with a +103 rating as of right now so it's fairly obvious that more actual people believed what he posted than didn't.
dude, I don't care what you quote, I'm in vornair and people are getting tired of his attitude. 300 or 4000 it's all bs. this guy has bought two kingdoms and a duchy (that we know of) and he plays dirty with everyone because he's got deep pockets. he's the worst kind of P2W player and there's no reason to believe anything he says. there's hundreds of us in vornair just waiting for launch so we can thank him personally for buying us a new kingdom. we play his games and spy and snipe and he is clueless so you should probably check yourself because you have no idea what going on in CoE.
The monetization model that has been taken way out of context and only reported half of what it involves just to help his troll comments...
I don't know many people that live in a bubble of denial. I have to say though, that if you honestly think CoE is not P2W with the current monetization, you are welcome to feel unique.
Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start... just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down. He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it. So many of those folks understand. It's just a few who buy into the whole "Pay To Build" shenanigans and that nobody will remember the huge advantages these folks bought when launch comes.
not 4000, he said he got 300 messages and then he blew it up in the general forums with no sauce. everything in CoE has always been a META with him and this is no different.
Seriously why can't you "fans" get simple facts straight? Why do I know your game and community better than you guys? Here is the EXACT quote:
Nope no King tier information drop. This post as I said before, is me putting together the concerns of 300+ people who have private messaged me 4000+ times over the last week with these exact concerns regarding the EP store.
So please, think twice before trying to correct me on a factual statement. Maybe he's bullshitting and you don't believe him, but he says he got OVER 4000 messages on the subject. His thread also ended up with a +103 rating as of right now so it's fairly obvious that more actual people believed what he posted than didn't.
dude, I don't care what you quote, I'm in vornair and people are getting tired of his attitude. 300 or 4000 it's all bs. this guy has bought two kingdoms and a duchy (that we know of) and he plays dirty with everyone because he's got deep pockets. he's the worst kind of P2W player and there's no reason to believe anything he says. there's hundreds of us in vornair just waiting for launch so we can thank him personally for buying us a new kingdom. we play his games and spy and snipe and he is clueless so you should probably check yourself because you have no idea what going on in CoE.
You are welcome to believe him or not. What you can;t do is just make up facts.
My post: He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it.
Your response: not 4000, he said he got 300 messages
This is clearly wrong as proven above. Facts are important, and if you want to chop this guy down go for it, but do it armed with reality and not made up stuff. When you make a factual error, it undercuts your entire message.
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The monetization model that has been taken way out of context and only reported half of what it involves just to help his troll comments...
I don't know many people that live in a bubble of denial. I have to say though, that if you honestly think CoE is not P2W with the current monetization, you are welcome to feel unique.
Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start... just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down. He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it. So many of those folks understand. It's just a few who buy into the whole "Pay To Build" shenanigans and that nobody will remember the huge advantages these folks bought when launch comes.
not 4000, he said he got 300 messages and then he blew it up in the general forums with no sauce. everything in CoE has always been a META with him and this is no different.
Seriously why can't you "fans" get simple facts straight? Why do I know your game and community better than you guys? Here is the EXACT quote:
Nope no King tier information drop. This post as I said before, is me putting together the concerns of 300+ people who have private messaged me 4000+ times over the last week with these exact concerns regarding the EP store.
So please, think twice before trying to correct me on a factual statement. Maybe he's bullshitting and you don't believe him, but he says he got OVER 4000 messages on the subject. His thread also ended up with a +103 rating as of right now so it's fairly obvious that more actual people believed what he posted than didn't.
dude, I don't care what you quote, I'm in vornair and people are getting tired of his attitude. 300 or 4000 it's all bs. this guy has bought two kingdoms and a duchy (that we know of) and he plays dirty with everyone because he's got deep pockets. he's the worst kind of P2W player and there's no reason to believe anything he says. there's hundreds of us in vornair just waiting for launch so we can thank him personally for buying us a new kingdom. we play his games and spy and snipe and he is clueless so you should probably check yourself because you have no idea what going on in CoE.
You are welcome to believe him or not. What you can;t do is just make up facts.
My post: He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it.
Your response: not 4000, he said he got 300 messages
This is clearly wrong as proven above. Facts are important, and if you want to chop this guy down go for it, but do it armed with reality and not made up stuff. When you make a factual error, it undercuts your entire message.
facts? here's a fact - you have no idea what he was *probably* feeling because all you're doing is copy/pasting from general forums in a game you don't even play.
The monetization model that has been taken way out of context and only reported half of what it involves just to help his troll comments...
I don't know many people that live in a bubble of denial. I have to say though, that if you honestly think CoE is not P2W with the current monetization, you are welcome to feel unique.
Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start... just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down. He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it. So many of those folks understand. It's just a few who buy into the whole "Pay To Build" shenanigans and that nobody will remember the huge advantages these folks bought when launch comes.
not 4000, he said he got 300 messages and then he blew it up in the general forums with no sauce. everything in CoE has always been a META with him and this is no different.
Seriously why can't you "fans" get simple facts straight? Why do I know your game and community better than you guys? Here is the EXACT quote:
Nope no King tier information drop. This post as I said before, is me putting together the concerns of 300+ people who have private messaged me 4000+ times over the last week with these exact concerns regarding the EP store.
So please, think twice before trying to correct me on a factual statement. Maybe he's bullshitting and you don't believe him, but he says he got OVER 4000 messages on the subject. His thread also ended up with a +103 rating as of right now so it's fairly obvious that more actual people believed what he posted than didn't.
dude, I don't care what you quote, I'm in vornair and people are getting tired of his attitude. 300 or 4000 it's all bs. this guy has bought two kingdoms and a duchy (that we know of) and he plays dirty with everyone because he's got deep pockets. he's the worst kind of P2W player and there's no reason to believe anything he says. there's hundreds of us in vornair just waiting for launch so we can thank him personally for buying us a new kingdom. we play his games and spy and snipe and he is clueless so you should probably check yourself because you have no idea what going on in CoE.
You are welcome to believe him or not. What you can;t do is just make up facts.
My post: He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it.
Your response: not 4000, he said he got 300 messages
This is clearly wrong as proven above. Facts are important, and if you want to chop this guy down go for it, but do it armed with reality and not made up stuff. When you make a factual error, it undercuts your entire message.
facts? here's a fact - you have no idea what he was *probably* feeling because all you're doing is copy/pasting from general forums in a game you don't even play.
See.. again... that's just simply untrue.
Here is what I said: Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start...
Here is what he posted: Personally I was fine with CoE's form of Pay to Win because it was surmountable in game. ---
Here is what I said: just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down.
Here is what he said: With the latest plans for the EP store we flipped that on its head and said that not only will the people with the most money have the most influence / assets available to them when they get in game, but now they will have further access to rare / high quality materials, buildings, research and the like that make them completely insurmountable for a year possibly two years. If the EP store stays as it is, I can not blame anyone for not wanting to be on the same server as Vornair or Ghettomaster. We have all of the potential to grab up the majority of these high quality / rarity cash grabs from the EP store (sorry Caspian I can't see it as anything other than that at this current moment), and snowball all of those insurmountable advantages to be head and shoulders above any other community on our server. I think that is a very poor outlook for those servers, and I hope that the development team can see that moving forward.
I can confidently say that these advantages in the hands of my group will equate to a completely insurmountable Kingdom in literally any and every aspect that we choose to go with. If that is a problem with me, it should be a problem with you too.
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The monetization model that has been taken way out of context and only reported half of what it involves just to help his troll comments...
I don't know many people that live in a bubble of denial. I have to say though, that if you honestly think CoE is not P2W with the current monetization, you are welcome to feel unique.
Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start... just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down. He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it. So many of those folks understand. It's just a few who buy into the whole "Pay To Build" shenanigans and that nobody will remember the huge advantages these folks bought when launch comes.
not 4000, he said he got 300 messages and then he blew it up in the general forums with no sauce. everything in CoE has always been a META with him and this is no different.
Seriously why can't you "fans" get simple facts straight? Why do I know your game and community better than you guys? Here is the EXACT quote:
Nope no King tier information drop. This post as I said before, is me putting together the concerns of 300+ people who have private messaged me 4000+ times over the last week with these exact concerns regarding the EP store.
So please, think twice before trying to correct me on a factual statement. Maybe he's bullshitting and you don't believe him, but he says he got OVER 4000 messages on the subject. His thread also ended up with a +103 rating as of right now so it's fairly obvious that more actual people believed what he posted than didn't.
dude, I don't care what you quote, I'm in vornair and people are getting tired of his attitude. 300 or 4000 it's all bs. this guy has bought two kingdoms and a duchy (that we know of) and he plays dirty with everyone because he's got deep pockets. he's the worst kind of P2W player and there's no reason to believe anything he says. there's hundreds of us in vornair just waiting for launch so we can thank him personally for buying us a new kingdom. we play his games and spy and snipe and he is clueless so you should probably check yourself because you have no idea what going on in CoE.
You are welcome to believe him or not. What you can;t do is just make up facts.
My post: He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it.
Your response: not 4000, he said he got 300 messages
This is clearly wrong as proven above. Facts are important, and if you want to chop this guy down go for it, but do it armed with reality and not made up stuff. When you make a factual error, it undercuts your entire message.
facts? here's a fact - you have no idea what he was *probably* feeling because all you're doing is copy/pasting from general forums in a game you don't even play.
See.. again... that's just simply untrue.
Here is what I said: Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start...
Here is what he posted: Personally I was fine with CoE's form of Pay to Win because it was surmountable in game. ---
Here is what I said: just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down.
Here is what he said: With the latest plans for the EP store we flipped that on its head and said that not only will the people with the most money have the most influence / assets available to them when they get in game, but now they will have further access to rare / high quality materials, buildings, research and the like that make them completely insurmountable for a year possibly two years. If the EP store stays as it is, I can not blame anyone for not wanting to be on the same server as Vornair or Ghettomaster. We have all of the potential to grab up the majority of these high quality / rarity cash grabs from the EP store (sorry Caspian I can't see it as anything other than that at this current moment), and snowball all of those insurmountable advantages to be head and shoulders above any other community on our server. I think that is a very poor outlook for those servers, and I hope that the development team can see that moving forward.
I can confidently say that these advantages in the hands of my group will equate to a completely insurmountable Kingdom in literally any and every aspect that we choose to go with. If that is a problem with me, it should be a problem with you too.
congratulations, you're number 6,755 in this most recent vornair META, please continue.
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I'm assuming something along the megaserver route which likely be heavily instanced.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
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There's a guy, Simon, who makes counterpoints to Adam's post, he burns him pretty good. He shows what appears to be the real reasons for Adam's p2w post. https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/19362/new-ep-store-policies?page=17#post208540
After that, I'd read Caspian's post and you'll see this has been blown way out of proportion. https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/19362/new-ep-store-policies?page=19#post208809
I know some people make points about projected population being unrealistic. I mean yeh, very possible, but that's not the point of this discussion. I wish you all well in your prospective mmos.
I love that game's idea and really wish it well so I can play it too. But my god I cannot stand reading forums like those full of gamers that want to pay to win, and that are so badly wanting a great game they will say anything to attack anybody that brings up concerns.
GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!
Don't think they will ever have to deal with tech stuff like that.
If they manage to reach a stable community of 10k people then I would be highly impressed.
This offers no achievement through actions, only through the wallet. At least, they appear to have (temporarily) stopped trying to label their version of Pay-to-Win as Pay-to-Build or whatever nonsense they had. There is no concept of a 'fair and level playing field' in this project; never has been; never will be.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
No game that I know of has been able to #1 provide an advantage to whales that is not removable while also #2 holding on to the majority of its player base. Someone above said people buying towns will easily lose them. That can not be the case because if it is, the developer will quickly lose its whales who will provide the majority of their support. If the advantage of whales is not able to be removed, the player base dwindles to minimum levels and your game gets a bad reputation like Archeage.
I dont understand how Caspian can say that allowing a King to set tax rates and create laws for his kingdom will not affect the other 95% of the players. Are the other 95% of players all going to play on some island that is not effected by these (whales) players?
The miracle of SpatialOS will make it all work...
AFAIK, the design calls for 100K active characters on the server, but that's a mix of player chars and NPC's.
Player characters become NPC's when the player logs off. So your character is always on the server, either being controlled by you or being driven by a script in your absence.
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Nice freudian slip there. Not "He" that is for sure.
Btw those that are saying 200k is too big a number, he has stated that is optimal number, more would be good less is still doable thanks to npcs.
WRONG. He actually stated (and is quoted earlier) If we're able to reach our minimum goal of 200,000 players. Huge difference between OPTIMAL and MINIMUM. Why do I have to keep correcting things that are so evident. Simply read the forums...
Also you understand that wow had at least 6,000,000 subscribers. So if he could tap even 3% of that market (not including the players of other mmorpgs then he could easily hit that number.
Wow... if I had $1 for every developer that said I only need X% of WoW's subscriber base I would be rich! ProTip: I only need X percent of some other guys success is NOT a reason or justification for your own success.
Finally, your all saying that sbs won't be able to run the game even with 200k subs,
No... actually we AREN'T "all saying" that. If they get 200k subs they will obviously have PLENTY of cash to run the company. What most are saying is that we think it's highly unlikely that the population will explode from 10,000 today to 200,000 at launch and that making a 20x population jump assumption and basing your game on it is silly.
he many of you have actually run an mmorpg or computer dev company and understand the finances??
Did you ask this of Caspien? You DO realize that this is his first time running an mmorpg company right? And this is why from the very beginning most of us have been highly suspect of the ability of the company to deliver all these revolutionary promises on a shoestring budget in a very small development timeframe. THANK YOU for making the same point we have been making!
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There will be 1000's of NPC's in CoE. How many of those will be in service of the king, I wonder ?
Do you really believe that Soulbound Studio's will allow their biggest spenders to simply be robbed of everything in the first week ?
If this game is that important to you then maybe you should take 30 seconds to check for spelling and grammar mistakes before hitting the post button.
Have no fear... should this game get to release... we will remind them
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Nope no King tier information drop. This post as I said before, is me putting together the concerns of 300+ people who have private messaged me 4000+ times over the last week with these exact concerns regarding the EP store.
So please, think twice before trying to correct me on a factual statement. Maybe he's bullshitting and you don't believe him, but he says he got OVER 4000 messages on the subject. His thread also ended up with a +103 rating as of right now so it's fairly obvious that more actual people believed what he posted than didn't.
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dude, I don't care what you quote, I'm in vornair and people are getting tired of his attitude. 300 or 4000 it's all bs. this guy has bought two kingdoms and a duchy (that we know of) and he plays dirty with everyone because he's got deep pockets. he's the worst kind of P2W player and there's no reason to believe anything he says. there's hundreds of us in vornair just waiting for launch so we can thank him personally for buying us a new kingdom. we play his games and spy and snipe and he is clueless so you should probably check yourself because you have no idea what going on in CoE.
My post: He said he had gotten 4000 messages from his members and others in the community about it.
Your response: not 4000, he said he got 300 messages
This is clearly wrong as proven above. Facts are important, and if you want to chop this guy down go for it, but do it armed with reality and not made up stuff. When you make a factual error, it undercuts your entire message.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Here is what I said: Even the guy who bought himself two Kingdoms admits it's been P2W from the start...
Here is what he posted: Personally I was fine with CoE's form of Pay to Win because it was surmountable in game.
---
Here is what I said: just now he probably felt it was so incredibly over the top that he had to put a stop to it or it would cause everything to come crashing down.
Here is what he said: With the latest plans for the EP store we flipped that on its head and said that not only will the people with the most money have the most influence / assets available to them when they get in game, but now they will have further access to rare / high quality materials, buildings, research and the like that make them completely insurmountable for a year possibly two years. If the EP store stays as it is, I can not blame anyone for not wanting to be on the same server as Vornair or Ghettomaster. We have all of the potential to grab up the majority of these high quality / rarity cash grabs from the EP store (sorry Caspian I can't see it as anything other than that at this current moment), and snowball all of those insurmountable advantages to be head and shoulders above any other community on our server. I think that is a very poor outlook for those servers, and I hope that the development team can see that moving forward.
I can confidently say that these advantages in the hands of my group will equate to a completely insurmountable Kingdom in literally any and every aspect that we choose to go with. If that is a problem with me, it should be a problem with you too.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018