It would be nice if this forums could get to talking about the actual game instead of having people repeating the same old negative shit based off nothing other than their own fears.
To be fair, that pendulum swings both ways.
It would also be nice if you could get to talking about the actual game instead of repeating the same old shit and pointless arguments based off nothing other than your own fears. You spam way more than any of the people you are complaining about.
Too early to say at this point. Will have to wait for the beta.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Keep putting those developers from MMOs that are 10+ years old now up on a pedestal. No one has made a good MMO in a long time. The "veterans" have failed us.
Dude this is my point. Industry veterans can't make a KS MMO so why do you believe Steven Sharif can?
The logic of 'the last 2 giants failed, so I will now bet all my hopes on a completely unknown wannabe' is just so bizarre.
Discussing mechanics is pointless since the game is 5+ years away minimum. What happens with other projects is that people get so bored of discussing class x for 3-4 years that they just get bored and forget about the game.
Fine. Keep shitting on a game that is barely just starting to get going. That is the cool thing to do it seems. Why discuss the game.
IMO every MMO since WoW has released has failed. It has been non stop disappointment for me. Look at every game you listed as examples of great MMOs. All of them are old as fuck. I don't think "industry veterans" means all that much. Steven has his own money in the game and he seems very determined to get this game done. Also his game designer Jeff seems to know what he is doing and has an equal amount of determination.
Call it what you want but listening to them has given me hope. It's like an episode of shark tank. You listen to a pitch and you gotta invest based off their pitch. They seem genuine. Now we wait and see if I am right.
It would be nice if this forums could get to talking about the actual game instead of having people repeating the same old negative shit based off nothing other than their own fears.
To be fair, that pendulum swings both ways.
It would also be nice if you could get to talking about the actual game instead of repeating the same old positive shit and pointless arguments based off nothing other than your own fears.
Because let's be honest, you have more posts that are not about the "actual game" on the first page of the thread than any of the people you are ranting about have.
There is no room to discuss the game when 80% of the posts are negative. I am responding to people and that is what most of the discussing here are about. I am not being as positive as you think. Read my posts. I acknowledge the game could fail. Yet a good portion of the people seem to have already made their mind up that this game will fail yet they sit around in these forums to continue trying to get other people to shit on it as well?
Call it what you want but listening to them has given me hope. It's like an episode of shark tank. You listen to a pitch and you gotta invest based off their pitch. They seem genuine. Now we wait and see if I am right.
I get to be Mr. Wonderful! Keep in mind that on SharkTank the investors do their Due Diligence and the actual deals are made long after the show ends. Most of the deals either fall through or are modified based on due dilligence:
Check out THIS ratio
So yeah, this is their sales pitch.. and we kind of are the sharks (more like minnows). I think the video linked is a good start. I liked a lot of what they showed and said... but there's a long hard road ahead of them and the odds are pretty low. Like I said though, if they make it and deliver on their promises I'll likely buy it (if I haven't through the KS).
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If you want to mentally masturbate endlessly about gameplay that is 5 years away with a bunch of fanboys just go to the official forums or discord. Partisan mods and vote bandwagons will ensure your safe space is never threatened.
These forums are usually pretty critical of any game because they are neutral ground and a lot of people have been around for quite while and witnessed broken promises many times before.
Too bad no one this site likes to talk about games anymore.
Yeah discussing unoriginal/stale topics like Tank dps in PvP for like the 10000th time for a game that is 5 years away is riveting stuff.
And seeing people write the same "concerns" over and over about this game is? You've hijacked every single thread for this game with the same talking points... At what point do you realize we've all heard what you have to say a million times now?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Too bad no one this site likes to talk about games anymore.
Because we live in a world now that everyone gets offended at the slightest word. Speculation and hearsay to drive haters and fanboys rabid is usually the main discussion, not actual facts to discuss.
And seeing people write the same "concerns" over and over about this game is? You've hijacked every single thread for this game with the same talking points... At what point do you realize we've all heard what you have to say a million times now?
Yet people still feel the need to respond? No irony at all in complaining about complainers.
Everything's a gash crab, or a scam or whatever, unless it somehow qualifies against an absurd set of often unreasonable criteria for independent developers to meet.
Like I said earlier, the official forums and discord are great safe spaces.
When you start looking for a public handout, the public will be inclined to look at what they are being asked to get involved in. Its called being a rational consumer not a blind fanboy.
To many people the project itself is 'an absurd set of unreasonable criteria'. And for the record I have backed multiple indie projects.
And seeing people write the same "concerns" over and over about this game is? You've hijacked every single thread for this game with the same talking points... At what point do you realize we've all heard what you have to say a million times now?
Yet people still feel the need to respond? No irony at all in complaining about complainers.
Hey, I just pointed out an absurdity. I'm a one trick pony I suppose. That said..... People really need to lighten up around here. EVeryone sounds so pissy lately.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Too bad no one this site likes to talk about games anymore.
Yeah, I think I'm just about done with mmorpg.com for now. Seems like it's just a platform for cynics to bash every new game that gets announced. Everything's a gash crab, or a scam or whatever, unless it somehow qualifies against an absurd set of often unreasonable criteria for independent developers to meet. And this forum upgrade being a bit annoying is nice extra incentive to put this place on the back burner. Oh well. It was fun for a while.
Can you honestly tell me that you don't have the slightest suspicion about this game? From your history on both here an Steam you watched projects by both Smedley and Garriot, two industry vets go to pot. Do you believe a person without any experience in game development can do better? People are calling this game a scam because it really looks like a scam without any credible credentials to back up any of what's being promised. If these guys were saying they are going to make an ultima-like 2d mmorpg with all the features promised then less people would be so on edge but instead they are making this seem like it is Destiny level quality for a small budget independent mmo and that is suspicious in itself. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of those who donated and will gladly eat my words if I am.
I imagine there will be more real game discussion when there are games worth discussing. Right now we're in a pretty dry spell. Sure, cool ideas floating around, but this mostly a development phase.
I'd say in another year or two we will be on the cusp of a lot of new games, and maybe some of them actually might be worth talking about for more than 3 months before they become a bad memory.
Okay... Its single player third person RPG gameplay which resembles 92383 other games on the market or in development. Is this really that exciting to people?
Until they show how the actual 'rebirth a genre' MMO components work why would I pay for this years in advance?
So you are arguing against kickstarter in general? It has given us a few good games that we would have not gotten otherwise. Why not let people risk their money and benefit from it while risking nothing of your own money?
You realize what pre-alpha is right? How many kickstarters are announced with all their game systems complete? lol
People still don't realize how support of these types of games effect the entire gaming community. The real question is how many kickstarter games release with all the game systems complete. Probably about .00001%, if that. That is the more important question.
And we have gotten nothing but mediocre games from this system, at best. Of course, that is with the idea of keeping at least half the donated money for your salary. But a mans gotta get paid.
Just naming a few:
-Grim Dawn -Wasteland 2 -Divinity -Torment -Broken Age -Pillars of Eternity
Incomplete and mediocre at best I guess? You must have some mighty high standards. Unless you just don't like crowd funding and will gladly ignore things that invalidate your views.
You don't have to like crowd funding but enough with the silly statements saying that it has brought no good at all, it is simply not true.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
And seeing people write the same "concerns" over and over about this game is? You've hijacked every single thread for this game with the same talking points... At what point do you realize we've all heard what you have to say a million times now?
Yet people still feel the need to respond? No irony at all in complaining about complainers.
Hey, I just pointed out an absurdity. I'm a one trick pony I suppose. That said..... People really need to lighten up around here. EVeryone sounds so pissy lately.
Yeah, I've noticed that too. Perhaps people are upset the reaction count has been reset in their profile or something, I don't know.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Too bad no one this site likes to talk about games anymore.
Yeah, I think I'm just about done with mmorpg.com for now. Seems like it's just a platform for cynics to bash every new game that gets announced. Everything's a gash crab, or a scam or whatever, unless it somehow qualifies against an absurd set of often unreasonable criteria for independent developers to meet. And this forum upgrade being a bit annoying is nice extra incentive to put this place on the back burner. Oh well. It was fun for a while.
Can you honestly tell me that you don't have the slightest suspicion about this game? From your history on both here an Steam you watched projects by both Smedley and Garriot, two industry vets go to pot. Do you believe a person without any experience in game development can do better? People are calling this game a scam because it really looks like a scam without any credible credentials to back up any of what's being promised. If these guys were saying they are going to make an ultima-like 2d mmorpg with all the features promised then less people would be so on edge but instead they are making this seem like it is Destiny level quality for a small budget independent mmo and that is suspicious in itself. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of those who donated and will gladly eat my words if I am.
Their desired budget is 30mil. Hardly a shoestring...
Smed's game wasn't that appealing to me, why did it even implode? Do you know?. Garriot's game isn't bad because of the budget, or KS limitation, it's just a bad design. Using such anecdotal evidence does nothing good for your argument.
You also might have a point if it was the owner making the game, but it's not, those making it do have dev experience as well as MMO dev experience.
As slapshot likes to say, there are plenty of reasons to question the project. Most of these aren't it.
As for Shariff (Sp)... At least he has business experience. Something many of these KS devs do not have. Combined with other's actual dev experience, this has a lot more going for it than most IMO. Am I sold? No... But having someone who knows something about business and finances ( a money guy) does inspire more confidence than having a showboating name attached to it trying to play such a role as well as be a dev.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Too bad no one this site likes to talk about games anymore.
Yeah, I think I'm just about done with mmorpg.com for now. Seems like it's just a platform for cynics to bash every new game that gets announced. Everything's a gash crab, or a scam or whatever, unless it somehow qualifies against an absurd set of often unreasonable criteria for independent developers to meet. And this forum upgrade being a bit annoying is nice extra incentive to put this place on the back burner. Oh well. It was fun for a while.
Can you honestly tell me that you don't have the slightest suspicion about this game? From your history on both here an Steam you watched projects by both Smedley and Garriot, two industry vets go to pot. Do you believe a person without any experience in game development can do better? People are calling this game a scam because it really looks like a scam without any credible credentials to back up any of what's being promised. If these guys were saying they are going to make an ultima-like 2d mmorpg with all the features promised then less people would be so on edge but instead they are making this seem like it is Destiny level quality for a small budget independent mmo and that is suspicious in itself. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of those who donated and will gladly eat my words if I am.
Their desired budget is 30mil. Hardly a shoestring...
Smed's game wasn't that appealing to me, why did it even implode? Do you know?. Garriot's game isn't bad because of the budget, or KS limitation, it's just a bad design. Using such anecdotal evidence does nothing good for your argument.
You also might have a point if it was the owner making the game, but it's not, those making it do have dev experience as well as MMO dev experience.
As slapshot likes to say, there are plenty of reasons to question the project. Most of these aren't it.
As for Shariff (Sp)... At least he has business experience. Something many of these KS devs do not have. Combined with other's actual dev experience, this has a lot more going for it than most IMO. Am I sold? No... But having someone who knows something about business and finances ( a money guy) does inspire more confidence than having a showboating name attached to it trying to play such a role as well as be a dev.
What I like about @Slapshot1188 is he actually cares for the games and likes to be involved in crowdfunding, he is just against shady practices. Now he may be right or wrong about different stuff, given the amount of limited information and too many variables, that's fine. But many people here on these forums feel the need to keep bashing on crowdfunding concept and labeling people who are interested as idiots.
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As for Shariff (Sp)... At least he has business experience. Something many of these KS devs do not have. Combined with other's actual dev experience, this has a lot more going for it than most IMO.
Selling miracle juice at his Mom's company? Hiring his new grad husband as CFO? Saying the game will take 30M which he has not confirmed exists?
I am not seeing much in the way of smart business beyond being able to market something that doesn't exist as a AAA quality product.
He rarely touts his business experience as the reason he can make an MMO. Its always about his 25 years as a fan.
As for Shariff (Sp)... At least he has business experience. Something many of these KS devs do not have. Combined with other's actual dev experience, this has a lot more going for it than most IMO.
Selling miracle juice at his Mom's company? Hiring his new grad husband as CFO? Saying the game will take 30M which he has not confirmed exists?
I am not seeing much in the way of smart business beyond being able to market something that doesn't exist as a AAA quality product.
He rarely touts his business experience as the reason he can make an MMO. Its always about his 25 years as a fan.
It's a lot better than we typically see, was my point. Making money, marketing, dealing with investors, etc, is a lot better in the hands of a grad and a guy with a background in that.
Developing a game should be in someone else's. That inspires more confidence for me than a dev who's trying to balance all of that on his own shoulders.
Like I said it's not enough where I'm like hey, I'm gonna toss them some money, I'm sold. I just see more chance in a game with a realistic budget goal and a better balanced work load, than a lot of these other games. DO I think it'll be the next genre defining title? Nah... If anything I expect nothing more than another gw2ish thing. A different way of delivering things, same old feeling in the end.
As for the budget I said that was their goal, and it's a realistic one. Will they get it? who knows? We only have so much in the way of foresight, which is basically none.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So you are arguing against kickstarter in general? It has given us a few good games that we would have not gotten otherwise.
Oh really? Name 1 good MMO that has come from KS.
I have backed 2 games - CU and CF. They didn't have much gameplay in the KS, but they did have proven industry veterans leading the studios who in fact had shipped multiple MMOs.
In my view a proven track record is much more convincing than slapped together gameplay footage. Intrepid has 1 technical guy who's MMO experience is being a mid level employee on EQ expansions and EQNext. This is utterly laughable when compared to Marc Jacobs, J Todd and Gordon Walton.
The kicker is that these industry veterans have had big problems sticking to timelines and many years later are still in early alpha phases.
If the MMO heavy hitters are having problems creating games with way smaller scopes than AoC, no amount of UE4 footage is going to convince me people with so little experience can build a game in 5+ years let alone 2.
I think planning and management are by far the biggest factors when coming to making an MMO. I don't know these people well enough to know their talents and expertise. Steven seems like he is very detailed. The dude seems to be working 24/7. I wouldn't count them out.
You don't know the people who literally created mass pvp in MMOs?
I am pretty sure it took 'planning and management' to release and run genre defining games such as UO, DAOC, SWG, SB, WAR.
The fact that people even mention Steven Sharif in the same sentence as the people who created these games just shows the sad state of the industry.
I get now why you think AoC is anything more than a crazy roulette gamble. You just have no industry context and think that all it takes is someone who can read a feature list and make a UE4 single player video to make an MMO.
Are you trying to say planning and management wasn't a big part of the success of those games?
Keep putting those developers from MMOs that are 10+ years old now up on a pedestal. No one has made a good MMO in a long time. The "veterans" have failed us. Also, did you really put Shadowbane (I'm guessing that is what SB refers to on your list) on your list of great MMOs? Sure it was fun, but definitely not well made by and shot of the imagination.
All we can do is agree to disagree and what and see what they produce. It would be nice if this forums could get to talking about the actual game instead of having people repeating the same old negative shit based off nothing other than their own fears.
Maybe should also include the Tea Lady as a big part of the success too, seeing as how she supplied the people doing the actual work with Tea and Sandwiches. Planning and management indeed.
Too bad no one this site likes to talk about games anymore.
Yeah, I think I'm just about done with mmorpg.com for now. Seems like it's just a platform for cynics to bash every new game that gets announced. Everything's a gash crab, or a scam or whatever, unless it somehow qualifies against an absurd set of often unreasonable criteria for independent developers to meet. And this forum upgrade being a bit annoying is nice extra incentive to put this place on the back burner. Oh well. It was fun for a while.
Can you honestly tell me that you don't have the slightest suspicion about this game? From your history on both here an Steam you watched projects by both Smedley and Garriot, two industry vets go to pot. Do you believe a person without any experience in game development can do better? People are calling this game a scam because it really looks like a scam without any credible credentials to back up any of what's being promised. If these guys were saying they are going to make an ultima-like 2d mmorpg with all the features promised then less people would be so on edge but instead they are making this seem like it is Destiny level quality for a small budget independent mmo and that is suspicious in itself. I hope I'm wrong for the sake of those who donated and will gladly eat my words if I am.
Their desired budget is 30mil. Hardly a shoestring...
Smed's game wasn't that appealing to me, why did it even implode? Do you know?. Garriot's game isn't bad because of the budget, or KS limitation, it's just a bad design. Using such anecdotal evidence does nothing good for your argument.
You also might have a point if it was the owner making the game, but it's not, those making it do have dev experience as well as MMO dev experience.
As slapshot likes to say, there are plenty of reasons to question the project. Most of these aren't it.
As for Shariff (Sp)... At least he has business experience. Something many of these KS devs do not have. Combined with other's actual dev experience, this has a lot more going for it than most IMO. Am I sold? No... But having someone who knows something about business and finances ( a money guy) does inspire more confidence than having a showboating name attached to it trying to play such a role as well as be a dev.
I used Garriot and Smedley as examples because they both used and relied on crowdfunding to develop and continue to develop their games. Garriot and Smedley were in charge of entire teams of developers in the past just like this guy so how is what I wrote "anecdotal evidence"?
If Garriot could not produce a high quality game with a 20mil+ budget and decades of game developing knowledge then how is this person with only "business experience" going to pull it off?
Okay... Its single player third person RPG gameplay which resembles 92383 other games on the market or in development. Is this really that exciting to people?
Until they show how the actual 'rebirth a genre' MMO components work why would I pay for this years in advance?
So you are arguing against kickstarter in general? It has given us a few good games that we would have not gotten otherwise. Why not let people risk their money and benefit from it while risking nothing of your own money?
You realize what pre-alpha is right? How many kickstarters are announced with all their game systems complete? lol
People still don't realize how support of these types of games effect the entire gaming community. The real question is how many kickstarter games release with all the game systems complete. Probably about .00001%, if that. That is the more important question.
And we have gotten nothing but mediocre games from this system, at best. Of course, that is with the idea of keeping at least half the donated money for your salary. But a mans gotta get paid.
Just naming a few:
-Grim Dawn -Wasteland 2 -Divinity -Torment -Broken Age -Pillars of Eternity
Incomplete and mediocre at best I guess? You must have some mighty high standards. Unless you just don't like crowd funding and will gladly ignore things that invalidate your views.
You don't have to like crowd funding but enough with the silly statements saying that it has brought no good at all, it is simply not true.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Not one MMORPG on your list however....
I played Wasteland 2 just last December, good game but still had several significant bugs in it. Reading through forum posts from around the time of its launch it seems like it got off to a rocky start which they eventually fixed.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I used Garriot and Smedley as examples because they both used and relied on crowdfunding to develop and continue to develop their games. Garriot and Smedley were in charge of entire teams of developers in the past just like this guy so how is what I wrote "anecdotal evidence"?
If Garriot could not produce a high quality game with a 20mil+ budget and decades of game developing knowledge then how is this person with only "business experience" going to pull it off?
Because all Garriott wanted was your money and was willing to dance, sing, and sell his own blood to get it. Sharif seems to like being a gamer, has been a gamer, and wants to make a game that is fun to play. Garriott ran an entire Kickstarter based on lies with no plan for development other than make some fast money (watch the video, starting at 41m).
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It would also be nice if you could get to talking about the actual game instead of repeating the same old shit and pointless arguments based off nothing other than your own fears.
You spam way more than any of the people you are complaining about.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
IMO every MMO since WoW has released has failed. It has been non stop disappointment for me. Look at every game you listed as examples of great MMOs. All of them are old as fuck. I don't think "industry veterans" means all that much. Steven has his own money in the game and he seems very determined to get this game done. Also his game designer Jeff seems to know what he is doing and has an equal amount of determination.
Call it what you want but listening to them has given me hope. It's like an episode of shark tank. You listen to a pitch and you gotta invest based off their pitch. They seem genuine. Now we wait and see if I am right.
Keep in mind that on SharkTank the investors do their Due Diligence and the actual deals are made long after the show ends. Most of the deals either fall through or are modified based on due dilligence:
Check out THIS ratio
So yeah, this is their sales pitch.. and we kind of are the sharks (more like minnows). I think the video linked is a good start. I liked a lot of what they showed and said... but there's a long hard road ahead of them and the odds are pretty low. Like I said though, if they make it and deliver on their promises I'll likely buy it (if I haven't through the KS).
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These forums are usually pretty critical of any game because they are neutral ground and a lot of people have been around for quite while and witnessed broken promises many times before.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Because we live in a world now that everyone gets offended at the slightest word. Speculation and hearsay to drive haters and fanboys rabid is usually the main discussion, not actual facts to discuss.
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To many people the project itself is 'an absurd set of unreasonable criteria'. And for the record I have backed multiple indie projects.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'd say in another year or two we will be on the cusp of a lot of new games, and maybe some of them actually might be worth talking about for more than 3 months before they become a bad memory.
Just naming a few:
-Grim Dawn
-Wasteland 2
-Divinity
-Torment
-Broken Age
-Pillars of Eternity
Incomplete and mediocre at best I guess? You must have some mighty high standards. Unless you just don't like crowd funding and will gladly ignore things that invalidate your views.
You don't have to like crowd funding but enough with the silly statements saying that it has brought no good at all, it is simply not true.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Smed's game wasn't that appealing to me, why did it even implode? Do you know?. Garriot's game isn't bad because of the budget, or KS limitation, it's just a bad design. Using such anecdotal evidence does nothing good for your argument.
You also might have a point if it was the owner making the game, but it's not, those making it do have dev experience as well as MMO dev experience.
As slapshot likes to say, there are plenty of reasons to question the project. Most of these aren't it.
As for Shariff (Sp)... At least he has business experience. Something many of these KS devs do not have. Combined with other's actual dev experience, this has a lot more going for it than most IMO. Am I sold? No... But having someone who knows something about business and finances ( a money guy) does inspire more confidence than having a showboating name attached to it trying to play such a role as well as be a dev.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I am not seeing much in the way of smart business beyond being able to market something that doesn't exist as a AAA quality product.
He rarely touts his business experience as the reason he can make an MMO. Its always about his 25 years as a fan.
Developing a game should be in someone else's. That inspires more confidence for me than a dev who's trying to balance all of that on his own shoulders.
Like I said it's not enough where I'm like hey, I'm gonna toss them some money, I'm sold. I just see more chance in a game with a realistic budget goal and a better balanced work load, than a lot of these other games. DO I think it'll be the next genre defining title? Nah... If anything I expect nothing more than another gw2ish thing. A different way of delivering things, same old feeling in the end.
As for the budget I said that was their goal, and it's a realistic one. Will they get it? who knows? We only have so much in the way of foresight, which is basically none.
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If Garriot could not produce a high quality game with a 20mil+ budget and decades of game developing knowledge then how is this person with only "business experience" going to pull it off?
I played Wasteland 2 just last December, good game but still had several significant bugs in it. Reading through forum posts from around the time of its launch it seems like it got off to a rocky start which they eventually fixed.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Because all Garriott wanted was your money and was willing to dance, sing, and sell his own blood to get it. Sharif seems to like being a gamer, has been a gamer, and wants to make a game that is fun to play. Garriott ran an entire Kickstarter based on lies with no plan for development other than make some fast money (watch the video, starting at 41m).