The thread has been derailed and run its course. The discussion is no longer productive. I have requested that the thread be locked. If it is locked it is because of this request.
The thread has been derailed and run its course. The discussion is no longer productive. I have requested that the thread be locked. If it is locked it is because of this request.
Or you know you opened Pandora's Box as far as direction goes from here. Do you realize how many CEO's are guilty of false advertising the health benefits of their products, and how many products used every day that have the same type of reviews by the FDA for worse instances of misleading the public? There are much worse cases to worry about in that regard. Either way, the money folks don't give a damn about false information put forth to sell a product, they're just trying to get paid. So they can do things like make games.... or buy yachts.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
" Update: Intrepid has since amended this statement to read: “Because of the high amount of members that requested alternate payment methods that Kickstarter did not offer, I [Steven Sharif] have decided that during the month of June I will extend our crowdsourcing through our website for those of you who were unable to purchase packages through Kickstarter. All backers from Kickstarter will benefit from this additional month of funding with some pretty awesome backer goals and rewards, which we will be releasing today. We will have the ability for Kickstarter pledges to be upgraded as well.” "
If they closed threads which got derailed there would hardly be any left open more than a day or so.
I'd say this thread should remain open until the original issue has been resolved or dies from a lack of interest.
If this thread was closed, then we'd need another thread when someone with a lot of referrals confirms that they are seeing some of the Kickstarter purchases on their AoC referral page.
Maybe @Slapshot1188 will eventually be nice to us and tell how it develops.
" Update: Intrepid has since amended this statement to read: “Because of the high amount of members that requested alternate payment methods that Kickstarter did not offer, I [Steven Sharif] have decided that during the month of June I will extend our crowdsourcing through our website for those of you who were unable to purchase packages through Kickstarter. All backers from Kickstarter will benefit from this additional month of funding with some pretty awesome backer goals and rewards, which we will be releasing today. We will have the ability for Kickstarter pledges to be upgraded as well.” "
You know, as long as people show a willingness to continue contributing, there's no real reason for the crowdfunding to stop at the end of June.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
" Update: Intrepid has since amended this statement to read: “Because of the high amount of members that requested alternate payment methods that Kickstarter did not offer, I [Steven Sharif] have decided that during the month of June I will extend our crowdsourcing through our website for those of you who were unable to purchase packages through Kickstarter. All backers from Kickstarter will benefit from this additional month of funding with some pretty awesome backer goals and rewards, which we will be releasing today. We will have the ability for Kickstarter pledges to be upgraded as well.” "
You know, as long as people show a willingness to continue contributing, there's no real reason for the crowdfunding to stop at the end of June.
Wonder if they'll start selling spaceships?
I laughed a little when he called it crowdsourcing.....
" Update: Intrepid has since amended this statement to read: “Because of the high amount of members that requested alternate payment methods that Kickstarter did not offer, I [Steven Sharif] have decided that during the month of June I will extend our crowdsourcing through our website for those of you who were unable to purchase packages through Kickstarter. All backers from Kickstarter will benefit from this additional month of funding with some pretty awesome backer goals and rewards, which we will be releasing today. We will have the ability for Kickstarter pledges to be upgraded as well.” "
This is good for people who were skeptical and didn't want to risk backing the kickstarter. As the game progresses people might change their opinion.
" Update: Intrepid has since amended this statement to read: “Because of the high amount of members that requested alternate payment methods that Kickstarter did not offer, I [Steven Sharif] have decided that during the month of June I will extend our crowdsourcing through our website for those of you who were unable to purchase packages through Kickstarter. All backers from Kickstarter will benefit from this additional month of funding with some pretty awesome backer goals and rewards, which we will be releasing today. We will have the ability for Kickstarter pledges to be upgraded as well.” "
You know, as long as people show a willingness to continue contributing, there's no real reason for the crowdfunding to stop at the end of June.
Wonder if they'll start selling spaceships?
I laughed a little when he called it crowdsourcing.....
Why? Crowdfunding has its roots in crowdsourcing?
It would be kind of like calling a Model-T derivative a "horseless carriage", but still...
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" Update: Intrepid has since amended this statement to read: “Because of the high amount of members that requested alternate payment methods that Kickstarter did not offer, I [Steven Sharif] have decided that during the month of June I will extend our crowdsourcing through our website for those of you who were unable to purchase packages through Kickstarter. All backers from Kickstarter will benefit from this additional month of funding with some pretty awesome backer goals and rewards, which we will be releasing today. We will have the ability for Kickstarter pledges to be upgraded as well.” "
This is good for people who were skeptical and didn't want to risk backing the kickstarter. As the game progresses people might change their opinion.
I'm in favor of this, but I think that they should increase the cost incrementally as the risk is removed. That way the KS people don't feel slighted.
" Update: Intrepid has since amended this statement to read: “Because of the high amount of members that requested alternate payment methods that Kickstarter did not offer, I [Steven Sharif] have decided that during the month of June I will extend our crowdsourcing through our website for those of you who were unable to purchase packages through Kickstarter. All backers from Kickstarter will benefit from this additional month of funding with some pretty awesome backer goals and rewards, which we will be releasing today. We will have the ability for Kickstarter pledges to be upgraded as well.” "
You know, as long as people show a willingness to continue contributing, there's no real reason for the crowdfunding to stop at the end of June.
Wonder if they'll start selling spaceships?
I can't believe people support Star Citizen with such blatant pay to win. I doubt/hope this wont happen to AoC considering all his responses to pay to win questions so far.
" Update: Intrepid has since amended this statement to read: “Because of the high amount of members that requested alternate payment methods that Kickstarter did not offer, I [Steven Sharif] have decided that during the month of June I will extend our crowdsourcing through our website for those of you who were unable to purchase packages through Kickstarter. All backers from Kickstarter will benefit from this additional month of funding with some pretty awesome backer goals and rewards, which we will be releasing today. We will have the ability for Kickstarter pledges to be upgraded as well.” "
You know, as long as people show a willingness to continue contributing, there's no real reason for the crowdfunding to stop at the end of June.
Wonder if they'll start selling spaceships?
I can't believe people support Star Citizen with such blatant pay to win. I doubt/hope this wont happen to AoC considering all his responses to pay to win questions so far.
When Scott Hartsmann was the creative director for Rift he was very outspoken against F2P. He is now the current CEO of Trion.
Once you realize that you have whales with more money than sense selling power becomes very interesting.
Iselin: And the next person who says "but it's a business, they need to make money" can just go fuck yourself.
Update, 2 June:
After this report was published last week, we received conflicting accounts regarding Ashes of Creation’s referral program and whether or not it included donations received through Kickstarter. As the original story states, a Kickstarter spokesperson told us that this was against their rules and that Kickstarter had informed Intrepid Studios, who had complied by removing Kickstarter pledges from the referral program.
Intrepid Studios’ Steven Sharif then released this statement via MMORPG.com’s forums, asserting that our reporting was false. As Sharif’s statement directly conflicted with what Kickstarter initially told me, I followed up with Kickstarter. This was the response, which confirms our initial reporting as accurate, but also acknowledges that Intrepid Studios did not remove Kickstarter pledges from the referral program:
“The information I gave you is accurate, except, as I recently learned, the part where I said that this creator had excluded Kickstarter pledges from their referral program,” Kickstarter’s director of communications, David Gallagher, told me in an email. “[Intrepid Studios] told us that Kickstarter pledges would be removed from the program, making it entirely separate from the Kickstarter project, which we saw as an acceptable solution. It appears that this did not happen. [Intrepid Studios] said this week that based on [their] communication with us, [they] believed it was fine to continue to include pledges. That was not correct.”
Despite the Ashes of Creation Kickstarter being in breach of Kickstarter’s policies, Gallagher informed me that they will not be taking any action against the campaign. “Given the potential for misinterpretation, the creator's removal of the reference to pledge referrals on [their] own site, and the fact that the Kickstarter project page did not mention the referral program, our Integrity Team has decided not to take any action against this project. We'll be revisiting the way we communicate our rules around referral programs to make sure our policies are clear to creators going forward.”
So there was miscommunication and kickstarter pledges are not removed from the referral program.
So AoC was in fact in violation of the rules through the whole campaign... and the author did NOT lie. Interesting... Honestly though I think the blame falls on Kickstarter here. If we knew what the referral process was... the guys making a few hundred grand in fees(Kickstarter) should have known too.
Where does the author go to get his good name back now? Will Steven and those fans who piled on now retract THEIR statements about him?
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So AoC was in fact in violation of the rules through the whole campaign... and the author did NOT lie. Interesting... Honestly though I think the blame falls on Kickstarter here. If we knew what the referral process was... the guys making a few hundred grand in fees(Kickstarter) should have known too.
Where does the author go to get his good name back now? Will Steven and those fans who piled on now retract THEIR statements about him?
Well that's one way to spin it, the point of contention though was whether they were removing the eligibility of kickstarter pledges for reimbursement, it seems that is not the case.
Secondly nope, not retracting what I said about him, he still uses Reddit as a source for "journalism". WHich screams tabloid nonsense to me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Kickstarter has stated that one time financial rewards are acceptable for package pledges on Kickstarter. This was also a part in the PCGamer article,
I reached out to Kickstarter to see what their policy is on the matter.
"Last year we began allowing financial incentives for referrals," they
responded. "But we do not allow revenue or profit sharing, which this
program essentially offers through its payouts over time."
As such, Kickstarter asked us to change the language on our referral program.
The PCGamer was incorrect however in stating;
In response to PC Gamer's inquiry, Kickstarter told me they've informed
Intrepid Studios, which has removed Kickstarter pledges from its
referral program.
This is an outright lie, and we have sent a request for a retraction from PCGamer. MassivelyOP has now today issued an article based on the PCGamer reporting.
Pledges from Kickstarter
Let me be clear on another point;
-snip-
What is not cool, is the character assassination, lying, trolling or outright rudeness to our community or our studios. We are more than that as a community. If you have legitimate concerns or comments, by all means voice them. But try to remember, there are real human beings behind these computer screens.
Given the confirmation from Kickstarter will you now publicly apologize for saying he was lying and the other aspersions you cast at him on this site, Discord, and elsewhere?
And about that last paragraph... the author is a human being too. Maybe keep that in mind before any future character assassinations are considered.
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Kickstarter has stated that one time financial rewards are acceptable for package pledges on Kickstarter. This was also a part in the PCGamer article,
I reached out to Kickstarter to see what their policy is on the matter.
"Last year we began allowing financial incentives for referrals," they
responded. "But we do not allow revenue or profit sharing, which this
program essentially offers through its payouts over time."
As such, Kickstarter asked us to change the language on our referral program.
The PCGamer was incorrect however in stating;
In response to PC Gamer's inquiry, Kickstarter told me they've informed
Intrepid Studios, which has removed Kickstarter pledges from its
referral program.
This is an outright lie, and we have sent a request for a retraction from PCGamer. MassivelyOP has now today issued an article based on the PCGamer reporting.
Pledges from Kickstarter
Let me be clear on another point;
-snip-
What is not cool, is the character assassination, lying, trolling or outright rudeness to our community or our studios. We are more than that as a community. If you have legitimate concerns or comments, by all means voice them. But try to remember, there are real human beings behind these computer screens.
Given the confirmation from Kickstarter will you now publicly apologize for saying he was lying and the other aspersions you cast at him on this site, Discord, and elsewhere?
And about that last paragraph... the author is a human being too. Maybe keep that in mind before any future character assassinations are considered.
He said it was a lie they were forced to remove the pledge referrals from kickstarter reimbursement. Considering they didn't, I don't see why he'd have to apologize for that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This gives Intrepid an easy way to hold on to their entire share of the Kickstarter proceeds:
"Sorry guys, it's against KS policy..."
It looks from the quoted communication that this is actually what KS would prefer / is expecting to see happen.
Either way, this will set a precedent going forward. It brings into sharp focus a dichotomy KS would no doubt rather keep away from the spotlight: KS is not a "profit sharing" platform, yet when you quadruple a project's goal some of that money could no doubt be kicked right back to the backers and the project would be fine.
What does this say about all the other projects that have blown past their initial goal?
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Or do you plan on opening a new one tomorrow or the next day when the author finally responds?
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If the moderators wish to keep this thread open it will be up to them but I am requesting its closure.
In the unlikely event that PC Gamer and/or Kickstarter respond I will not open a new thread and leave that up to someone else, should they desire to.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'd say this thread should remain open until the original issue has been resolved or dies from a lack of interest.
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
http://massivelyop.com/2017/06/02/ashes-of-creations-kickstarter-has-successfully-funded-at-3-2m/
" Update: Intrepid has since amended this statement to read: “Because of the high amount of members that requested alternate payment methods that Kickstarter did not offer, I [Steven Sharif] have decided that during the month of June I will extend our crowdsourcing through our website for those of you who were unable to purchase packages through Kickstarter. All backers from Kickstarter will benefit from this additional month of funding with some pretty awesome backer goals and rewards, which we will be releasing today. We will have the ability for Kickstarter pledges to be upgraded as well.” "
Maybe @Slapshot1188 will eventually be nice to us and tell how it develops.
Wonder if they'll start selling spaceships?
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
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It would be kind of like calling a Model-T derivative a "horseless carriage", but still...
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
I'm in favor of this, but I think that they should increase the cost incrementally as the risk is removed. That way the KS people don't feel slighted.
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Once you realize that you have whales with more money than sense selling power becomes very interesting.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So AoC was in fact in violation of the rules through the whole campaign... and the author did NOT lie.
Interesting...
Honestly though I think the blame falls on Kickstarter here. If we knew what the referral process was... the guys making a few hundred grand in fees(Kickstarter) should have known too.
Where does the author go to get his good name back now? Will Steven and those fans who piled on now retract THEIR statements about him?
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Secondly nope, not retracting what I said about him, he still uses Reddit as a source for "journalism". WHich screams tabloid nonsense to me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
And about that last paragraph... the author is a human being too. Maybe keep that in mind before any future character assassinations are considered.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
"Sorry guys, it's against KS policy..."
It looks from the quoted communication that this is actually what KS would prefer / is expecting to see happen.
Either way, this will set a precedent going forward. It brings into sharp focus a dichotomy KS would no doubt rather keep away from the spotlight: KS is not a "profit sharing" platform, yet when you quadruple a project's goal some of that money could no doubt be kicked right back to the backers and the project would be fine.
What does this say about all the other projects that have blown past their initial goal?
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance