" But looking closer at the crowdfunding campaign, I also had concerns about the game’s unusual referral program and the history of the company making it—and after sifting through posts on various MMO-related subreddits, I wasn't alone."
"But don't go funding the game just because you'll get your money back if it doesn't work out. Kickstarter itself guarantees no refunds, and, cynically speaking, Sharif's promise isn't necessarily legally binding and is ultimately meant to be taken on good faith. If you're going to donate, do so expecting that money to disappear forever—just hope you might get a cool MMO out of it."
This is crowdfunding working as intended. You donate, you forget you ever had that money. It's very simple, you are taking a risk. Never expect that money back.
I make it even simpler, i wait for the game to launch then buy it if its good. No need to fund anything. They, as a company, have more money than me. I shouldn't have to fund them, only buy the finished product as the customer i am.
MassivelyOP has a new article on this as well. Also, their Editor weighed in again in the comments:
Bree Royce
Just to be clear, I was most definitely not defending Sharif here. I was quoting his response to the original situation, which I said publicly I thought was inappropriate. I don’t believe the proper studio response to an article should be to call journalists liars. There was nothing wrong with PC Gamer’s article, even before the update.
Still no apology from Steven nor the squad that tried to destroy this writer. Pretty pathetic from someone who came to these very forums to complain about "character assassination, lying, trolling or outright rudeness" and also said "But try to remember, there are real human beings behind these computer screens."
Guess authors don't count as human beings to some.
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MassivelyOP has a new article on this as well. Also, their Editor weighed in again in the comments:
Bree Royce
Just to be clear, I was most definitely not defending Sharif here. I was quoting his response to the original situation, which I said publicly I thought was inappropriate. I don’t believe the proper studio response to an article should be to call journalists liars. There was nothing wrong with PC Gamer’s article, even before the update.
Still no apology from Steven nor the squad that tried to destroy this writer. Pretty pathetic from someone who came to these very forums to complain about "character assassination, lying, trolling or outright rudeness" and also said "But try to remember, there are real human beings behind these computer screens."
Guess authors don't count as human beings to some.
Meh, when journalists become more about the story than the journalism then I think they're fair game. After all, they're all basically glorified bloggers anyway
MassivelyOP has a new article on this as well. Also, their Editor weighed in again in the comments:
Bree Royce
Just to be clear, I was most definitely not defending Sharif here. I was quoting his response to the original situation, which I said publicly I thought was inappropriate. I don’t believe the proper studio response to an article should be to call journalists liars. There was nothing wrong with PC Gamer’s article, even before the update.
Still no apology from Steven nor the squad that tried to destroy this writer. Pretty pathetic from someone who came to these very forums to complain about "character assassination, lying, trolling or outright rudeness" and also said "But try to remember, there are real human beings behind these computer screens."
Guess authors don't count as human beings to some.
Meh, when journalists become more about the story than the journalism then I think they're fair game. After all, they're all basically glorified bloggers anyway
It was all deflection IMHO by Intrepid. They still never answered why Kickstarter told them their referral process was against the rules, why they changed their website to remove mention of Kickstarter, but kept the referrals. Or why Kickstarter STILL is saying they broke the rules.
Heck more context from Bree:
Bree Royce
Given that neither Messner nor Kickstarter had any reason to suspect that Intrepid had not complied with Kickstarter’s request when Kickstarter told Messner it was taken care of, and given that the text of the program had apparently been altered accordingly, I can’t think of any reason Messner would have to doubt what Kickstarter’s rep told him. Moreover, he didn’t invent it out of thin air; he was clearly paraphrasing what the rep had told him. This is also why you’d print an update and not a retraction or correction.
Continuing to focus on Messner seems bizarre to me anyway. “They didn’t flip on their promises to backers; they simply violated Kickstarter’s rules, and Kickstarter doesn’t care because money” – Intrepid loses either way.
FWIW, generally when somebody here screws up an article, studios will contact us privately and we apologize and fix it as fast as we can in whatever way suits the actual truth. If a studio instead attacked our writers’ integrity in public, that could damage relations to the point that we might not cover the game again. It’s happened before. We may tease PR folks, but they’re pros for a reason – use ’em!
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Steven Sharif we are awaiting your apology to MassivelyOP, PC Gamer, Bree Royce, and Steven Messner.
You have insulted an honest journalist while giving us some speech about "human beings behind the computer." Please do not be a hypocrite and own up to this mistake by apologizing, especially to Steven Messner.
Steven Messner did not deserve you or your lackeys attacks.
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Everyone who uses medieval looking buildings in their games must have both that pack, right?
Now explain 95% of the other content in the video and you may have a case.
Are you really trying to shift the conversation of this thread to "its a scam" again? I thought you were waiting on a response from Steven? Coming from the guy calling for the thread to be closed because it was going off topic.
Hey @Ponzini since Steven seems to be avoiding this can you ask him why Kickstarter told them to remove the Kickstarter Pledges and instead they went and removed them from the website but not from the actual program? Why delete them from the referral page but keep them in the program if not to hide it? Did anyone really believe that Kickstarter meant just remove them from the website but it's OK to have them? If there is such an instruction from Kickstarter telling them to just hide it I would love to see that Email.
Come on, nobody here is that naive.
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Hey @Ponzini since Steven seems to be avoiding this can you ask him why Kickstarter told them to remove the Kickstarter Pledges and instead they went and removed them from the website but not from the actual program? Why delete them from the referral page but keep them in the program if not to hide it? Did anyone really believe that Kickstarter meant just remove them from the website but it's OK to have them? If there is such an instruction from Kickstarter telling them to just hide it I would love to see that Email.
Come on, nobody here is that naive.
Honestly now that they'll be doing Crowdsourcing on their own going forward, there's little KS can say about what they do with those funds going forward. That's probably why they played things as they have.
As for removing it from the KS platform it goes right along with that. Now they can just say they're reimbursing folks from their site's proceeds, or Shariff's own invested funds since he put in a couple million himself didn't he? Who can really say whether that's okay or not aside from intrepid?
Whatever the truth may be, as long as they weren't using KS's platform to make such promises after they were told they couldn't, they probably knew KS wasn't going to care much.
It's not like those expecting a payout are gonna care either way there, are they now? Are you gonna turn down yours?
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It's not like those expecting a payout are gonna care either way there, are they now? Are you gonna turn down yours?
Turn down? No... I'll make sure that Steven pays me
But I'll see how much it is and do something cool with it. Maybe I'll give it to a charity and screenshot it so you can see
There's no need for that, it's not like it was you who created the program, you might as well capitalize off it. That's what it's there for in the end.
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Hey @Ponzini since Steven seems to be avoiding this can you ask him why Kickstarter told them to remove the Kickstarter Pledges and instead they went and removed them from the website but not from the actual program? Why delete them from the referral page but keep them in the program if not to hide it? Did anyone really believe that Kickstarter meant just remove them from the website but it's OK to have them? If there is such an instruction from Kickstarter telling them to just hide it I would love to see that Email.
Can you please convince Steven to apologize? You seem to be able to get him to do whatever you want.
Unless... you are him?
I don't know what was said between Intrepid and Kickstarter. We don't have all the details. Could have been a mistake or miscommunication somewhere. Kickstarter reviewed it and are fine with it. Case closed.
All I did was PM him on Reddit. He responds quickly and is pretty open so there is a good chance he will respond to you.
Actually we do know what was said. The Director of Communication stated that:
They asked Intrepid to remove Kickstarter Pledges from the referral
[Intrepid Studios] told them that Kickstarter pledges would be removed from the program making it entirely separate from the Kickstarter project, which they saw as an acceptable solution.
Then we also know that Intrepid went and removed all reference to the Kickstarter pledges from their referral website. We also know that Intrepid did NOT pull the Kickstarter Pledges from the referral program. Instead they just hid it.
We also know that the Director of Communications said:
[Intrepid Studios] said this week that based on [their] communication with us, [they] believed it was fine to continue to include pledges.
That was not correct
So we have the Director of Communications from Kickstarter clearly stating that what Intrepid did was NOT OK. They have "decided not to take action". That doesn't mean it was OK. IMHO it means it would have been a messy fight which would have looked bad and cost them money so they are hoping it goes away.
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So we have the Director of Communications from Kickstarter clearly stating that what Intrepid did was NOT OK. They have "decided not to take action". That doesn't mean it was OK. IMHO it means it would have been a messy fight which would have looked bad and cost them money so they are hoping it goes away.
If you think about it, what kind of action could Kickstarter have taken?
Kickstarter can't force Intrepid to break their agreements with referrers and promises to referrers, many of whom are also backers, it would have made them look incredibly bad.
They could have cancelled the whole campaign for breaking rules, but that would have meant losing $160 000 that is their share for the campaign's success.
Actually we do know what was said. The Director of Communication stated that:
They asked Intrepid to remove Kickstarter Pledges from the referral
[Intrepid Studios] told them that Kickstarter pledges would be removed from the program making it entirely separate from the Kickstarter project, which they saw as an acceptable solution.
Then we also know that Intrepid went and removed all reference to the Kickstarter pledges from their referral website. We also know that Intrepid did NOT pull the Kickstarter Pledges from the referral program. Instead they just hid it.
We also know that the Director of Communications said:
[Intrepid Studios] said this week that based on [their] communication with us, [they] believed it was fine to continue to include pledges.
That was not correct
So we have the Director of Communications from Kickstarter clearly stating that what Intrepid did was NOT OK. They have "decided not to take action". That doesn't mean it was OK. IMHO it means it would have been a messy fight which would have looked bad and cost them money so they are hoping it goes away.
I know what PC Gamer told us what Kickstarter told him what Intrepid told them. However that is far from enough details to make an accurate judgement. We got little snippets of what was possibly said. Kickstarter reviewed it and decided to not take action which could mean there is some gray area in the communication between them. Maybe they thought the communication between them was unclear. They did say they were going to make their rules on referrals more clear in the future.
Your opinion that they let it go because of money is just that, an opinion. It could have just as easily meant after reviewing the messages they thought that there was miscommunication.
Again, when Steven came in here to tell you guys the pledges were still apart of the referrals you didn't believe anything until I got him to come in here and post about it TWICE. Even then you still wanted him to just say "YES or NO". Yet now are quick to pick up the pitch forks without all the information. Seems very hypocritical.
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Actually we do know what was said. The Director of Communication stated that:
They asked Intrepid to remove Kickstarter Pledges from the referral
[Intrepid Studios] told them that Kickstarter pledges would be removed from the program making it entirely separate from the Kickstarter project, which they saw as an acceptable solution.
Then we also know that Intrepid went and removed all reference to the Kickstarter pledges from their referral website. We also know that Intrepid did NOT pull the Kickstarter Pledges from the referral program. Instead they just hid it.
We also know that the Director of Communications said:
[Intrepid Studios] said this week that based on [their] communication with us, [they] believed it was fine to continue to include pledges.
That was not correct
So we have the Director of Communications from Kickstarter clearly stating that what Intrepid did was NOT OK. They have "decided not to take action". That doesn't mean it was OK. IMHO it means it would have been a messy fight which would have looked bad and cost them money so they are hoping it goes away.
I think it's more likely along the lines that neither wanted people to start pulling pledges, because what they thought was happening wasn't. Which would have cut into what both parties had to gain here. That would explain KS's stance, as they don't want their platform used that way, yet they also don't wanna lose out on one of their higher grossing supported endeavors.
By declaring it's not okay it still keeps their rules intact going forward. Yet inaction in actually enforcing those rules, allowed them to profit. They basically got to have their cake and eat it to here.
What would have been best is simply Intrepid never using KS to promote this program of theirs.
It's kind of a silly thing to have all of this drama built around it. Especially when they're going to be doing their own funding after all of this, which would have been better suited for this viral movement they want to promote.
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Actually we do know what was said. The Director of Communication stated that:
They asked Intrepid to remove Kickstarter Pledges from the referral
[Intrepid Studios] told them that Kickstarter pledges would be removed from the program making it entirely separate from the Kickstarter project, which they saw as an acceptable solution.
Then we also know that Intrepid went and removed all reference to the Kickstarter pledges from their referral website. We also know that Intrepid did NOT pull the Kickstarter Pledges from the referral program. Instead they just hid it.
We also know that the Director of Communications said:
[Intrepid Studios] said this week that based on [their] communication with us, [they] believed it was fine to continue to include pledges.
That was not correct
So we have the Director of Communications from Kickstarter clearly stating that what Intrepid did was NOT OK. They have "decided not to take action". That doesn't mean it was OK. IMHO it means it would have been a messy fight which would have looked bad and cost them money so they are hoping it goes away.
I think it's more likely along the lines that neither wanted people to start pulling pledges, because what they thought was happening wasn't. Which would have cut into what both parties had to gain here. That would explain KS's stance, as they don't want their platform used that way, yet they also don't wanna lose out on one of their higher grossing supported endeavors.
By declaring it's not okay it still keeps their rules intact going forward. Yet inaction in actually enforcing those rules, allowed them to profit. They basically got to have their cake and eat it to here.
What would have been best is simply Intrepid never using KS to promote this program of theirs.
It's kind of a silly thing to have all of this drama built around it. Especially when they're going to be doing their own funding after all of this, which would have been better suited for this viral movement they want to promote.
Well they still got an extra 3 million out of the deal. Would have been fools not to use kickstarter. This will all be forgotten if they end up making a good game. I placed by bet on them to do it. Just gotta sit back and hope/pray I was right. Thought I do expect at least one or two push backs on their release date.
Actually we do know what was said. The Director of Communication stated that:
They asked Intrepid to remove Kickstarter Pledges from the referral
[Intrepid Studios] told them that Kickstarter pledges would be removed from the program making it entirely separate from the Kickstarter project, which they saw as an acceptable solution.
Then we also know that Intrepid went and removed all reference to the Kickstarter pledges from their referral website. We also know that Intrepid did NOT pull the Kickstarter Pledges from the referral program. Instead they just hid it.
We also know that the Director of Communications said:
[Intrepid Studios] said this week that based on [their] communication with us, [they] believed it was fine to continue to include pledges.
That was not correct
So we have the Director of Communications from Kickstarter clearly stating that what Intrepid did was NOT OK. They have "decided not to take action". That doesn't mean it was OK. IMHO it means it would have been a messy fight which would have looked bad and cost them money so they are hoping it goes away.
I think it's more likely along the lines that neither wanted people to start pulling pledges, because what they thought was happening wasn't. Which would have cut into what both parties had to gain here. That would explain KS's stance, as they don't want their platform used that way, yet they also don't wanna lose out on one of their higher grossing supported endeavors.
By declaring it's not okay it still keeps their rules intact going forward. Yet inaction in actually enforcing those rules, allowed them to profit. They basically got to have their cake and eat it to here.
What would have been best is simply Intrepid never using KS to promote this program of theirs.
It's kind of a silly thing to have all of this drama built around it. Especially when they're going to be doing their own funding after all of this, which would have been better suited for this viral movement they want to promote.
Well they still got an extra 3 million out of the deal. Would have been fools not to use kickstarter. This will all be forgotten if they end up making a good game. I placed by bet on them to do it. Just gotta sit back and hope/pray I was right. Thought I do expect at least one or two push backs on their release date.
Sure, I didn't mean to not use kickstarter, I meant not to use Kickstarter to start off their viral reimbursement directive.
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Actually we do know what was said. The Director of Communication stated that:
They asked Intrepid to remove Kickstarter Pledges from the referral
[Intrepid Studios] told them that Kickstarter pledges would be removed from the program making it entirely separate from the Kickstarter project, which they saw as an acceptable solution.
Then we also know that Intrepid went and removed all reference to the Kickstarter pledges from their referral website. We also know that Intrepid did NOT pull the Kickstarter Pledges from the referral program. Instead they just hid it.
We also know that the Director of Communications said:
[Intrepid Studios] said this week that based on [their] communication with us, [they] believed it was fine to continue to include pledges.
That was not correct
So we have the Director of Communications from Kickstarter clearly stating that what Intrepid did was NOT OK. They have "decided not to take action". That doesn't mean it was OK. IMHO it means it would have been a messy fight which would have looked bad and cost them money so they are hoping it goes away.
I think it's more likely along the lines that neither wanted people to start pulling pledges, because what they thought was happening wasn't. Which would have cut into what both parties had to gain here. That would explain KS's stance, as they don't want their platform used that way, yet they also don't wanna lose out on one of their higher grossing supported endeavors.
By declaring it's not okay it still keeps their rules intact going forward. Yet inaction in actually enforcing those rules, allowed them to profit. They basically got to have their cake and eat it to here.
What would have been best is simply Intrepid never using KS to promote this program of theirs.
It's kind of a silly thing to have all of this drama built around it. Especially when they're going to be doing their own funding after all of this, which would have been better suited for this viral movement they want to promote.
Well they still got an extra 3 million out of the deal. Would have been fools not to use kickstarter. This will all be forgotten if they end up making a good game. I placed by bet on them to do it. Just gotta sit back and hope/pray I was right. Thought I do expect at least one or two push backs on their release date.
Sure, I didn't mean to not use kickstarter, I meant not to use Kickstarter to start off their viral reimbursement directive.
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I make it even simpler, i wait for the game to launch then buy it if its good. No need to fund anything. They, as a company, have more money than me. I shouldn't have to fund them, only buy the finished product as the customer i am.
My opinion.
Just to be clear, I was most definitely not defending Sharif here. I was quoting his response to the original situation, which I said publicly I thought was inappropriate. I don’t believe the proper studio response to an article should be to call journalists liars. There was nothing wrong with PC Gamer’s article, even before the update.
Still no apology from Steven nor the squad that tried to destroy this writer. Pretty pathetic from someone who came to these very forums to complain about "character assassination, lying, trolling or outright rudeness" and also said "But try to remember, there are real human beings behind these computer screens."
Guess authors don't count as human beings to some.
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Heck more context from Bree:
Given that neither Messner nor Kickstarter had any reason to suspect that Intrepid had not complied with Kickstarter’s request when Kickstarter told Messner it was taken care of, and given that the text of the program had apparently been altered accordingly, I can’t think of any reason Messner would have to doubt what Kickstarter’s rep told him. Moreover, he didn’t invent it out of thin air; he was clearly paraphrasing what the rep had told him. This is also why you’d print an update and not a retraction or correction.
Continuing to focus on Messner seems bizarre to me anyway. “They didn’t flip on their promises to backers; they simply violated Kickstarter’s rules, and Kickstarter doesn’t care because money” – Intrepid loses either way.
FWIW, generally when somebody here screws up an article, studios will contact us privately and we apologize and fix it as fast as we can in whatever way suits the actual truth. If a studio instead attacked our writers’ integrity in public, that could damage relations to the point that we might not cover the game again. It’s happened before. We may tease PR folks, but they’re pros for a reason – use ’em!
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You have insulted an honest journalist while giving us some speech about "human beings behind the computer." Please do not be a hypocrite and own up to this mistake by apologizing, especially to Steven Messner.
Steven Messner did not deserve you or your lackeys attacks.
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Now explain 95% of the other content in the video and you may have a case.
Are you really trying to shift the conversation of this thread to "its a scam" again? I thought you were waiting on a response from Steven? Coming from the guy calling for the thread to be closed because it was going off topic.
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How deep does this rabbit hole go?
Come on, nobody here is that naive.
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Unless... you are him?
As for removing it from the KS platform it goes right along with that. Now they can just say they're reimbursing folks from their site's proceeds, or Shariff's own invested funds since he put in a couple million himself didn't he? Who can really say whether that's okay or not aside from intrepid?
Whatever the truth may be, as long as they weren't using KS's platform to make such promises after they were told they couldn't, they probably knew KS wasn't going to care much.
It's not like those expecting a payout are gonna care either way there, are they now? Are you gonna turn down yours?
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But I'll see how much it is and do something cool with it. Maybe I'll give it to a charity and screenshot it so you can see
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All I did was PM him on Reddit. He responds quickly and is pretty open so there is a good chance he will respond to you.
Prescience seek help.
- They asked Intrepid to remove Kickstarter Pledges from the referral
- [Intrepid Studios] told them that Kickstarter pledges would be removed from the program making it entirely separate from the Kickstarter project, which they saw as an acceptable solution.
Then we also know that Intrepid went and removed all reference to the Kickstarter pledges from their referral website. We also know that Intrepid did NOT pull the Kickstarter Pledges from the referral program. Instead they just hid it.We also know that the Director of Communications said:
- [Intrepid Studios] said this week that based on [their] communication with us, [they] believed it was fine to continue to include pledges.
- That was not correct
So we have the Director of Communications from Kickstarter clearly stating that what Intrepid did was NOT OK. They have "decided not to take action". That doesn't mean it was OK. IMHO it means it would have been a messy fight which would have looked bad and cost them money so they are hoping it goes away.All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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Kickstarter can't force Intrepid to break their agreements with referrers and promises to referrers, many of whom are also backers, it would have made them look incredibly bad.
They could have cancelled the whole campaign for breaking rules, but that would have meant losing $160 000 that is their share for the campaign's success.
Your opinion that they let it go because of money is just that, an opinion. It could have just as easily meant after reviewing the messages they thought that there was miscommunication.
Again, when Steven came in here to tell you guys the pledges were still apart of the referrals you didn't believe anything until I got him to come in here and post about it TWICE. Even then you still wanted him to just say "YES or NO". Yet now are quick to pick up the pitch forks without all the information. Seems very hypocritical.
But I don't see that happening, this one is a drama magnet.
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By declaring it's not okay it still keeps their rules intact going forward. Yet inaction in actually enforcing those rules, allowed them to profit. They basically got to have their cake and eat it to here.
What would have been best is simply Intrepid never using KS to promote this program of theirs.
It's kind of a silly thing to have all of this drama built around it. Especially when they're going to be doing their own funding after all of this, which would have been better suited for this viral movement they want to promote.
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