don't crowdfund is my policy these days and if they don't want to make games anymore screw them I say!
My hope is that the FTC will crack down on Kickstarter after a few more fail.
Just goes to show your mindset. Every project I have Kickstarted has been amazing so far. It isn't your money. The funny thing is if this game comes out and it is really good you will probably be playing it even with all your effort to try and stop them.
don't crowdfund is my policy these days and if they don't want to make games anymore screw them I say!
My hope is that the FTC will crack down on Kickstarter after a few more fail.
Just goes to show your mindset. Every project I have Kickstarted has been amazing so far. It isn't your money. The funny thing is if this game comes out and it is really good you will probably be playing it even with all your effort to try and stop them.
is this really so much of an issue to start a crusade against it?
" All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. "
Oh come on? evil?? really? it's a kickstarter with all the inherant risks that go along with that. hyperbole like that is just silly . so some people lose ten bucks here and there if it folds, it's not like anyone is selling their homes to fund thing, and if they do, that's their problem..
don't crowdfund is my policy these days and if they don't want to make games anymore screw them I say!
My hope is that the FTC will crack down on Kickstarter after a few more fail.
Just goes to show your mindset. Every project I have Kickstarted has been amazing so far. It isn't your money. The funny thing is if this game comes out and it is really good you will probably be playing it even with all your effort to try and stop them.
Another sad attempt to discredit someone you are having an argument with. Keep posting memes instead of facts. That is what you are best at.
don't crowdfund is my policy these days and if they don't want to make games anymore screw them I say!
My hope is that the FTC will crack down on Kickstarter after a few more fail.
Just goes to show your mindset. Every project I have Kickstarted has been amazing so far. It isn't your money. The funny thing is if this game comes out and it is really good you will probably be playing it even with all your effort to try and stop them.
are you implying people trying to be positive, supportive and generally interested in seeing this game succeed for themselves and 'all of us' is a bad thing? what is your hope from all of this? do you want it to fail? Personally I hope we get a new kick-ass game for everyone to enjoy and I hope if in the process it makes the boys and girls at Intrepid filthy rich..
Hmm.. I wonder if it's even legit to update the referral program retroactively. I mean, some people may have paid money to advertise the game under the assumption that they would get 15% of revenue they generated...
It's illegal. Unless otherwise stated in some agreement between you and Intrepid Studios:
1. Once an account has been created using your referral link, you have provided Intrepid Studios with a service. Afterwards Intrepid Studios must pay the agreed-upon price.
2. Intrepid Studios can make unilateral changes to the terms of payment retroactively only if those changes are required by law. Adding a waiting time before payment to prevent fraud is likely okay. Refusing to pay because their agreement with Kickstarter would be a breach of their agreement with you.
3. Intrepid Studios can change how much and how they pay for your future services, meaning any future accounts created using your referral link. But such a change can only apply to accounts not yet created, and unless otherwise agreed Intrepid Studios must make a reasonable effort to inform you before any such change takes place
I agree with you that Intrepid Studios should make a public statement about this. But let's give them some time. It's weekend now.
Guys, its Friday night, shouldn't you be playing MMOs and not thrashing about on forums?
I'm stuck at Walmart while the wife looks at buying picture frames.
My wife just had a right total knee replacement. I'm not getting much of anything done. Life is a little hectic right now. I do get some gaming time in late at night for a bit. My ESO warden is almost level 10.
Oh man, my sister-in-law just had both knees partially done, simultaneously! We have been helping her out around the house. I know it's not easy. For some reason, I can't use Enter to start a new paragraph, so I'll include this here, too: I don't want to see this game fail. I want it to succeed. But after my prior KS disappointments, it's going to take a lot to get me to trust again and open my wallet to strangers.
There has been no change in our referral system. The author of this article had an obvious agenda, and a request has been made to PCGamer for a retraction of the article. It is telling that his sources linked in the article itself were from Reddit. A shame.
Well I am fairly sure that it DID change a bit right? Because as I recall there was originally no mention about a quarterly payment before as well as the delay in payments. I think that's all OK, but it was an apparent change from the original.
I will ask again for clarity though as this is the only part I really care about:
Are all Kickstarter Purchases eligible for referral payments?
If the answer to that is YES, then the author owes you a huge apology. If the answer to that is NO, then you got some 'splainin to do.
We have already established the referral system isn't a pyramid scheme. Keep hitting that dead horse though.
He's just trolling at this point. It's been pointed out several times. After he got banned from the Ashes reddit this about the only place he's got.
We have already established the referral system isn't a pyramid scheme. Keep hitting that dead horse though.
Actually its probably worse.
A bunch of people who went out spamming referral links under the assumption that they would get paid are now unsure if that is the case.
If they don't get paid that is straight up theft. Guy dug his own grave by using an affiliate program that KS likely doesn't allow.
wow. The developer himself comes to this forum to tell you the referral system hasn't changed and you still ignore it and continue trying to push your own sad petty little agendas. You guys are pathetic for real.
Hmm.. I wonder if it's even legit to update the referral program retroactively. I mean, some people may have paid money to advertise the game under the assumption that they would get 15% of revenue they generated...
It's illegal. Unless otherwise stated in some agreement between you and Intrepid Studios:
1. Once an account has been created using your referral link, you have provided Intrepid Studios with a service. Afterwards Intrepid Studios must pay the agreed-upon price.
2. Intrepid Studios can make unilateral changes to the terms of payment retroactively only if those changes are required by law. Adding a waiting time before payment to prevent fraud is likely okay. Refusing to pay because their agreement with Kickstarter would be a breach of their agreement with you.
3. Intrepid Studios can change how much and how they pay for your future services, meaning any future accounts created using your referral link. But such a change can only apply to accounts not yet created, and unless otherwise agreed Intrepid Studios must make a reasonable effort to inform you before any such change takes place
I agree with you that Intrepid Studios should make a public statement about this. But let's give them some time. It's weekend now.
Developer just posted in this fucking post to say it hasn't changed. What else do you guys need?! It is insane how paranoid you all are. How many developers would even bothercoming to this forum to address people?
It just shows the desperation. If the referral program has changed, conveniently right near the end of the campaign, it would be air tight fraud,
Meanwhile in literally the same thread from a developer:
"There has been no change in our referral system. The author of this article had an obvious agenda, and a request has been made to PCGamer for a retraction of the article. It is telling that his sources linked in the article itself were from Reddit. A shame."
He just said it hasn't changed. So what are you arguing? Or are we just throwing facts out the window again? Unreal.
It just shows the desperation. If the referral program has changed, conveniently right near the end of the campaign, it would be air tight fraud,
Meanwhile in literally the same thread from a developer:
"There has been no change in our referral system. The author of this article had an obvious agenda, and a request has been made to PCGamer for a retraction of the article. It is telling that his sources linked in the article itself were from Reddit. A shame."
He just said it hasn't changed. So what are you arguing? Or are we just throwing facts out the window again? Unreal.
You realize your argument is weak and holds no water. It's like someone that has been charged with a crime saying " I didn't do it. " and then you go around saying " He said he's innocent, okay? "
It just shows the desperation. If the referral program has changed, conveniently right near the end of the campaign, it would be air tight fraud,
Meanwhile in literally the same thread from a developer:
"There has been no change in our referral system. The author of this article had an obvious agenda, and a request has been made to PCGamer for a retraction of the article. It is telling that his sources linked in the article itself were from Reddit. A shame."
He just said it hasn't changed. So what are you arguing? Or are we just throwing facts out the window again? Unreal.
You realize your argument is weak and holds no water. It's like someone that has been charged with a crime saying " I didn't do it. " and then you go around saying " He said he's innocent, okay? "
If the creative director comes here and says nothing has changed and you won't believe it then nothing will satisfy your request for information. Do you plan on continuing to troll the game if you're not open to discussion or information?
Posting articles warning us about a game that are published by well-known and credible sources is trolling?
It just shows the desperation. If the referral program has changed, conveniently right near the end of the campaign, it would be air tight fraud,
Meanwhile in literally the same thread from a developer:
"There has been no change in our referral system. The author of this article had an obvious agenda, and a request has been made to PCGamer for a retraction of the article. It is telling that his sources linked in the article itself were from Reddit. A shame."
He just said it hasn't changed. So what are you arguing? Or are we just throwing facts out the window again? Unreal.
You realize your argument is weak and holds no water. It's like someone that has been charged with a crime saying " I didn't do it. " and then you go around saying " He said he's innocent, okay? "
He hasn't been charged with anything though. PC Gamer made an accusation with no source. Steven said it hasn't changed. Should we take the word of PC Gamer or the guy who runs the fucking system? Hmm.
Developer just posted in this fucking post to say it hasn't changed. What else do you guys need?! It is insane how paranoid you all are. How many developers would even bothercoming to this forum to address people?
My mistake. I didn't notice that post was made by a developer. There were so many posts in this thread I just skimped through some of them.
In that case everything is likely good, and we'll just have to wait for PCGamer to remove/update that article as confirmation that they were wrong.
If the creative director comes here and says nothing has changed and you won't believe it then nothing will satisfy your request for information. Do you plan on continuing to troll the game if you're not open to discussion or information?
His word is his word. Nothing more and nothing less. Let's avoid this belittling towards other users. Steven's word weight as much as anyone else here.
A simple mirror of the place with the information showing if it changed or not would satisfy, I guess.
You say word of a real person, whom we know his identity, his name, his family name, his business history, and many other information, who is actually the CEO of the said company, has the same weight as an anonymous random forum poster? Your scale is broken.
That doesn't mean Steven cannot lie, but to say his word has the same weight as his is a joke. Even if I'd be on your side of the argument.
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
If the creative director comes here and says nothing has changed and you won't believe it then nothing will satisfy your request for information. Do you plan on continuing to troll the game if you're not open to discussion or information?
His word is his word. Nothing more and nothing less. Let's avoid this belittling towards other users. Steven's word weight as much as anyone else here.
A simple mirror of the place with the information showing if it changed or not would satisfy, I guess.
You say word of a real person, whom we know his identity, his name, his family name, his business history, and many other information, who is actually the CEO of the said company, has the same weight as an anonymous random forum poster? Your scale is broken.
That doesn't mean Steven cannot lie, but to say his word has the same weight as his is a joke. Even if I'd be on your side of the argument.
History has taught us that no one is immune from misleading people even when they deal with greater risks.
You really don't have to look far to find examples. I could list hundreds and hundreds from multiple points in time but this should suffice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
If the creative director comes here and says nothing has changed and you won't believe it then nothing will satisfy your request for information. Do you plan on continuing to troll the game if you're not open to discussion or information?
His word is his word. Nothing more and nothing less. Let's avoid this belittling towards other users. Steven's word weight as much as anyone else here.
A simple mirror of the place with the information showing if it changed or not would satisfy, I guess.
You say word of a real person, whom we know his identity, his name, his family name, his business history, and many other information, who is actually the CEO of the said company, has the same weight as an anonymous random forum poster? Your scale is broken.
That doesn't mean Steven cannot lie, but to say his word has the same weight as his is a joke. Even if I'd be on your side of the argument.
History has taught us that no one is immune from misleading people even when they deal with greater risks.
You really don't have to look far to find examples. I could list hundreds and hundreds from multiple points in time but this should suffice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
As the matter fact no, history never taught us that.
Again, my statement, as I pointed out, wasn't about being right or wrong. But about how words of different people having a different weight, for obvious reasons.
I like how you started with pointing out technical network problems though. That shows experience on these forums. Come out of the shadows dear, tell us about your banned accounts, give us your name...
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
"I have no experience in the industry," Sharif admits. "But I have
experience running a business and I have experience in marketing. All of
those things combined, I know that in order to be successful in any
industry you have to be willing to listen, take advice, and rely on the
experience of others who are experts. When I formed the studio, I made
sure when bringing team members on that they were people that had
extensive experience in the industry and could share that vision with me
so I could rely on that experience."
If the creative director comes here and says nothing has changed and you won't believe it then nothing will satisfy your request for information. Do you plan on continuing to troll the game if you're not open to discussion or information?
His word is his word. Nothing more and nothing less. Let's avoid this belittling towards other users. Steven's word weight as much as anyone else here.
A simple mirror of the place with the information showing if it changed or not would satisfy, I guess.
You say word of a real person, whom we know his identity, his name, his family name, his business history, and many other information, who is actually the CEO of the said company, has the same weight as an anonymous random forum poster? Your scale is broken.
That doesn't mean Steven cannot lie, but to say his word has the same weight as his is a joke. Even if I'd be on your side of the argument.
History has taught us that no one is immune from misleading people even when they deal with greater risks.
You really don't have to look far to find examples. I could list hundreds and hundreds from multiple points in time but this should suffice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
As the matter fact no, history never taught us that.
Again, my statement, as I pointed out, wasn't about being right or wrong. But about how words of different people having a different weight, for obvious reasons.
I like how you started with pointing out technical network problems though. That shows experience on these forums. Come out of the shadows dear, tell us about your banned accounts, give us your name...
Are you accusing me of committing libel? I feel like we have a case of armchair lawyer on our hands.
There has been no change in our referral system. The author of this article had an obvious agenda, and a request has been made to PCGamer for a retraction of the article. It is telling that his sources linked in the article itself were from Reddit. A shame.
Well I am fairly sure that it DID change a bit right? Because as I recall there was originally no mention about a quarterly payment before as well as the delay in payments. I think that's all OK, but it was an apparent change from the original.
I will ask again for clarity though as this is the only part I really care about:
Are all Kickstarter Purchases eligible for referral payments?
If the answer to that is YES, then the author owes you a huge apology. If the answer to that is NO, then you got some 'splainin to do.
Just wondering if it was ever specifically stated that they were covered under the referral program? that could cost the company a pretty penny if enough people tried capitalizing off of that. I could see such a program being tied to a sub system as the prospective pay outs are small there (a couple dollars), plus it's being supplemented by all the subs coming in on an ongoing basis. WIth KS though, those pay outs could get lofty in abundance. How do the logistics on that work out?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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Oh come on? evil?? really? it's a kickstarter with all the inherant risks that go along with that. hyperbole like that is just silly . so some people lose ten bucks here and there if it folds, it's not like anyone is selling their homes to fund thing, and if they do, that's their problem..
are you implying people trying to be positive, supportive and generally interested in seeing this game succeed for themselves and 'all of us' is a bad thing? what is your hope from all of this? do you want it to fail? Personally I hope we get a new kick-ass game for everyone to enjoy and I hope if in the process it makes the boys and girls at Intrepid filthy rich..
A bunch of people who went out spamming referral links under the assumption that they would get paid are now unsure if that is the case.
If they don't get paid that is straight up theft. Guy dug his own grave by using an affiliate program that KS likely doesn't allow.
1. Once an account has been created using your referral link, you have provided Intrepid Studios with a service. Afterwards Intrepid Studios must pay the agreed-upon price.
2. Intrepid Studios can make unilateral changes to the terms of payment retroactively only if those changes are required by law. Adding a waiting time before payment to prevent fraud is likely okay. Refusing to pay because their agreement with Kickstarter would be a breach of their agreement with you.
3. Intrepid Studios can change how much and how they pay for your future services, meaning any future accounts created using your referral link. But such a change can only apply to accounts not yet created, and unless otherwise agreed Intrepid Studios must make a reasonable effort to inform you before any such change takes place
I agree with you that Intrepid Studios should make a public statement about this. But let's give them some time. It's weekend now.
Developer just posted in this fucking post to say it hasn't changed. What else do you guys need?! It is insane how paranoid you all are. How many developers would even bothercoming to this forum to address people?
"There has been no change in our referral system. The author of this article had an obvious agenda, and a request has been made to PCGamer for a retraction of the article. It is telling that his sources linked in the article itself were from Reddit. A shame."
He just said it hasn't changed. So what are you arguing? Or are we just throwing facts out the window again? Unreal.
I will not believe Steven regardeless until he has delivered the cheques.
In that case everything is likely good, and we'll just have to wait for PCGamer to remove/update that article as confirmation that they were wrong.
That doesn't mean Steven cannot lie, but to say his word has the same weight as his is a joke. Even if I'd be on your side of the argument.
You really don't have to look far to find examples. I could list hundreds and hundreds from multiple points in time but this should suffice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff
Again, my statement, as I pointed out, wasn't about being right or wrong. But about how words of different people having a different weight, for obvious reasons.
If you are accusing Steven of anything, call the authorities. Otherwise, follow the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
I like how you started with pointing out technical network problems though. That shows experience on these forums. Come out of the shadows dear, tell us about your banned accounts, give us your name...
"I have no experience in the industry," Sharif admits. "But I have experience running a business and I have experience in marketing. All of those things combined, I know that in order to be successful in any industry you have to be willing to listen, take advice, and rely on the experience of others who are experts. When I formed the studio, I made sure when bringing team members on that they were people that had extensive experience in the industry and could share that vision with me so I could rely on that experience."
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson