I'm looking for a game to have the balls to go with a $25 or even $49 sub. No cash shop cheese. No sanctioned RMT. Just a straight sub at a fair price.
Probably could be done if a game could deliver a really outstanding experience above all others.
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Alot are cancelling as there just not new and innovative enough. What i would personally like to see is the building as a clan being apart of the game world, so you build up you dwellings to villages to towns to cities. With only about 3 or 4 NPC cities. Crafting done by resources found or broken down from items and put on the market by player guilds. Mining done inside mines etc. A choice in crafts (Farming-(gather and plant herbs and seeds), Mining, Forestry, Butchering (gather hides, lethers and meat) then the usuall Blacksmithing, Leatherworking, Weaponsmithing, Tailoring, Cooking etc) but you can only have 1 of these you either gather a certain resource or make items) guilds start with a max of 10 players and this goes up on each guild level and certain quests/targets that get done and can go up to a max limit of players. Alliances can be made with other guilds, the whole economy to be player run, mass attacks by NPC armies that can happen anytime, anywhere, anyplace which would take teamwork to defeat (this can happen at the NPC cities too).
But so far most of that is only brought and available by these survival sort of games, but there mostly the same thing build destroy build destroy, with no other goal to aim for no quests no nothing, if they can mix both of these together with proper battle formations and combat tactics and a monthly sub, i for 1 would go for it if the game was good enough. right now its all dead and same old same old.
$25-49 isnt a fair price....You'd be paying $300-600 a year just to play a video game....Most of us cant even justify paying $180 a year just to have access to a video game.....
I would easily pay that if I didn't have to deal with F2P, P2W players and cash shops or the game constantly pushing trying to get me to buy sheit. Can you imagine playing a MMORPG where you can just play it and not have to deal with all the distractions?
People would pay anything. When I was playing f2p games I notice many of my guildmate are paying 500$ a month. So not a surprise some would pay 25+ a month.
But the reality is 25$ a month don't necessary mean the game is good. In fact most company already made up the mind instead of charging a fixed fee, it's easier to make into f2p games where people can be charged with however amount they willing to part.
I'm looking for a game to have the balls to go with a $25 or even $49 sub. No cash shop cheese. No sanctioned RMT. Just a straight sub at a fair price.
Probably could be done if a game could deliver a really outstanding experience above all others.
It wouldn't even be just the game that would need to be great to justify that cost, the service would have to be mind blowingly awesome. 24/7 live events, dev ran RP, dev ran bosses, etc... There is no way i'd pay that much monthly for a lesser experience than that.
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I'm looking for a game to have the balls to go with a $25 or even $49 sub. No cash shop cheese. No sanctioned RMT. Just a straight sub at a fair price.
Probably could be done if a game could deliver a really outstanding experience above all others.
It wouldn't even be just the game that would need to be great to justify that cost, the service would have to be mind blowingly awesome. 24/7 live events, dev ran RP, dev ran bosses, etc... There is no way i'd pay that much monthly for a lesser experience than that.
People are paying 15 bucks a month to play 15 to 20 year old games right now.. a new game doesn't have to be mind blowing.. I'd pay 40 bucks a month just to play the same type of game made 20 years ago with new graphics/sound etc.
i agree. thats why i havent gotten a new rig in a long time. there isn't really a point, as I was into many games that have just been in the "coming soon" stage for a long time.
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People are paying 15 bucks a month to play 15 to 20 year old games right now.. a new game doesn't have to be mind blowing.. I'd pay 40 bucks a month just to play the same type of game made 20 years ago with new graphics/sound etc.
So true. I have come to terms with my generic taste in MMOs. What's more important to me is freedom in terms of progression and a well-polished, social game. Games are always either Raid for BIS gear, Grind for BIS, or Pay $ for BIS.
I guess the closest I could come to a perfect game is Archeage with no cash shop, limited RNG, no dungeons or events (to keep people on the oceans and running packs for more pvp action), instanced housing neighborhoods, and skill/gear ratio with a bit less emphasis on gear as it is now.
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People are paying 15 bucks a month to play 15 to 20 year old games right now.. a new game doesn't have to be mind blowing.. I'd pay 40 bucks a month just to play the same type of game made 20 years ago with new graphics/sound etc.
Most are not. F2P is like 80% of the market.
And most gamers have moved on from the old traditional style of MMOs.
Same with EVE, a huge portion of players don't even go to nullsec and stay in high sec.
Since when? I stopped playing a few months back (not by choice, stupid life) and I could not even get in a decent Corp unless I was willing to hang in Nullsec (which I was, and is where I spent the majority of my time) and that is where I saw most people heading. OR low sec anyway, it just is not profitable to be in high sec. You are going to get ganked regardless, you may as well make some money before you do.
Like I said I quit playing before F2P went live so things easily could have changed.
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$25-49 isnt a fair price....You'd be paying $300-600 a year just to play a video game....Most of us cant even justify paying $180 a year just to have access to a video game.....
Not a fair price? Don't play it if that's how you feel.
When I play an MMORPG I play at LEAST 20 hours a week. That's over 1000 hours a year. Yeah if I am enjoying a game enough to play it for a year I think I can spring for 30 or 60 cents an hour (and that's on the high end... I'm sure many would play a lot more than 20 hours a week).
We already have more F2P games that I can count. Go enjoy those all you want.
I'm waiting for a game to have the balls to charge a real sub fee and ditch the cash shop/RMT cheese.
I know, right. $600 a year...it's fucking pocket change.
Some of these people will spend a shit ton of money on a computer with power they don't even need just so they can e-peen their specs in a forum signature and then complain about a $50 expansion.
There was a thread a couple of months ago about drinking alcohol while playing and people were puffing up their chests boasting about the expensive scotch they drink....but OMFG!!!! An expansion is too expensive.
I'd pay a $50 a month sub just to play a game without all the entitlement babies running around whining all the time.
People are paying 15 bucks a month to play 15 to 20 year old games right now.. a new game doesn't have to be mind blowing.. I'd pay 40 bucks a month just to play the same type of game made 20 years ago with new graphics/sound etc.
Most are not. F2P is like 80% of the market.
And most gamers have moved on from the old traditional style of MMOs.
Most gamers haven't moved on. We were forced into it. There is an old saying "You get what you pay for". It applies perfectly here.
But as you say... there is already a flood of games that are F2P. If you are one of those that enjoys them, knock yourself out and play them all! I'm not asking that they force all games to ditch F2P cash shops, or anything else.
Im just looking for a choice where we can also have a premium game for a premium price. I spend $75 on a round of golf. Some of us just want a quality gaming experience with a level playing field and no pay for advantage. Some of us are willing to pay a company what I would consider a fair price. Choice is good isn't it?
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People are paying 15 bucks a month to play 15 to 20 year old games right now.. a new game doesn't have to be mind blowing.. I'd pay 40 bucks a month just to play the same type of game made 20 years ago with new graphics/sound etc.
Most are not. F2P is like 80% of the market.
And most gamers have moved on from the old traditional style of MMOs.
Most gamers haven't moved on. We were forced into it. There is an old saying "You get what you pay for". It applies perfectly here.
But as you say... there is already a flood of games that are F2P. If you are one of those that enjoys them, knock yourself out and play them all! I'm not asking that they force all games to ditch F2P cash shops, or anything else.
Im just looking for a choice where we can also have a premium game for a premium price. I spend $75 on a round of golf. Some of us just want a quality gaming experience with a level playing field and no pay for advantage. Some of us are willing to pay a company what I would consider a fair price. Choice is good isn't it?
You are correct about people being willing to spend the premium kind of money on a hobby, this year I will probably spend $600 on my hobby and the price money will probably only cover 20% of that cost.
The problem is that until there is a game that can create a unique experience or something with a much higher quality I'm not paying a premium. Why would I pay $25 per month to grind the same sort of content over and over when that money gives me 20-25 different games to play each year.
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People are paying 15 bucks a month to play 15 to 20 year old games right now.. a new game doesn't have to be mind blowing.. I'd pay 40 bucks a month just to play the same type of game made 20 years ago with new graphics/sound etc.
Most are not. F2P is like 80% of the market.
And most gamers have moved on from the old traditional style of MMOs.
Most gamers haven't moved on. We were forced into it. There is an old saying "You get what you pay for". It applies perfectly here.
But as you say... there is already a flood of games that are F2P. If you are one of those that enjoys them, knock yourself out and play them all! I'm not asking that they force all games to ditch F2P cash shops, or anything else.
Im just looking for a choice where we can also have a premium game for a premium price. I spend $75 on a round of golf. Some of us just want a quality gaming experience with a level playing field and no pay for advantage. Some of us are willing to pay a company what I would consider a fair price. Choice is good isn't it?
You are correct about people being willing to spend the premium kind of money on a hobby, this year I will probably spend $600 on my hobby and the price money will probably only cover 20% of that cost.
The problem is that until there is a game that can create a unique experience or something with a much higher quality I'm not paying a premium. Why would I pay $25 per month to grind the same sort of content over and over when that money gives me 20-25 different games to play each year.
The spread in feature set in a game like Rust compared to a game like EQ2 is dramatically huge.
If the AAA money would follow the lead of games like Rust, 7DTD and the like then such a game could be created for sure
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People are paying 15 bucks a month to play 15 to 20 year old games right now.. a new game doesn't have to be mind blowing.. I'd pay 40 bucks a month just to play the same type of game made 20 years ago with new graphics/sound etc.
Most are not. F2P is like 80% of the market.
And most gamers have moved on from the old traditional style of MMOs.
Most gamers haven't moved on. We were forced into it. There is an old saying "You get what you pay for". It applies perfectly here.
But as you say... there is already a flood of games that are F2P. If you are one of those that enjoys them, knock yourself out and play them all! I'm not asking that they force all games to ditch F2P cash shops, or anything else.
Im just looking for a choice where we can also have a premium game for a premium price. I spend $75 on a round of golf. Some of us just want a quality gaming experience with a level playing field and no pay for advantage. Some of us are willing to pay a company what I would consider a fair price. Choice is good isn't it?
You are correct about people being willing to spend the premium kind of money on a hobby, this year I will probably spend $600 on my hobby and the price money will probably only cover 20% of that cost.
The problem is that until there is a game that can create a unique experience or something with a much higher quality I'm not paying a premium. Why would I pay $25 per month to grind the same sort of content over and over when that money gives me 20-25 different games to play each year.
As I said, premium game for a premium price. Some folks enjoy the offerings of today and I don't want to take anything away from them. I just personally feel that the genre has been held back by this model and I think there is a market for a premium game. Hell people are paying tens of thousands of dollars on games that don't even exist and won't for years to come.
There is a market that will pay $25 or even $49 a month for a premium game.
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People are paying 15 bucks a month to play 15 to 20 year old games right now.. a new game doesn't have to be mind blowing.. I'd pay 40 bucks a month just to play the same type of game made 20 years ago with new graphics/sound etc.
Most are not. F2P is like 80% of the market.
And most gamers have moved on from the old traditional style of MMOs.
Most gamers haven't moved on. We were forced into it. There is an old saying "You get what you pay for". It applies perfectly here.
But as you say... there is already a flood of games that are F2P. If you are one of those that enjoys them, knock yourself out and play them all! I'm not asking that they force all games to ditch F2P cash shops, or anything else.
Im just looking for a choice where we can also have a premium game for a premium price. I spend $75 on a round of golf. Some of us just want a quality gaming experience with a level playing field and no pay for advantage. Some of us are willing to pay a company what I would consider a fair price. Choice is good isn't it?
You are correct about people being willing to spend the premium kind of money on a hobby, this year I will probably spend $600 on my hobby and the price money will probably only cover 20% of that cost.
The problem is that until there is a game that can create a unique experience or something with a much higher quality I'm not paying a premium. Why would I pay $25 per month to grind the same sort of content over and over when that money gives me 20-25 different games to play each year.
As I said, premium game for a premium price. Some folks enjoy the offerings of today and I don't want to take anything away from them. I just personally feel that the genre has been held back by this model and I think there is a market for a premium game. Hell people are paying tens of thousands of dollars on games that don't even exist and won't for years to come.
There is a market that will pay $25 or even $49 a month for a premium game.
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No free trials or free to x level
No cash shop
No forum access unless subscribed
EDIT: Forgot one - NO early access. Finish the damn game
Yeah the trials are a bit of an issue but maybe just limited to a certain new player zone or with restricted access to communication to protect against spam.
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People are paying 15 bucks a month to play 15 to 20 year old games right now.. a new game doesn't have to be mind blowing.. I'd pay 40 bucks a month just to play the same type of game made 20 years ago with new graphics/sound etc.
Most are not. F2P is like 80% of the market.
And most gamers have moved on from the old traditional style of MMOs.
Most gamers haven't moved on. We were forced into it. There is an old saying "You get what you pay for". It applies perfectly here.
But as you say... there is already a flood of games that are F2P. If you are one of those that enjoys them, knock yourself out and play them all! I'm not asking that they force all games to ditch F2P cash shops, or anything else.
Im just looking for a choice where we can also have a premium game for a premium price. I spend $75 on a round of golf. Some of us just want a quality gaming experience with a level playing field and no pay for advantage. Some of us are willing to pay a company what I would consider a fair price. Choice is good isn't it?
You are correct about people being willing to spend the premium kind of money on a hobby, this year I will probably spend $600 on my hobby and the price money will probably only cover 20% of that cost.
The problem is that until there is a game that can create a unique experience or something with a much higher quality I'm not paying a premium. Why would I pay $25 per month to grind the same sort of content over and over when that money gives me 20-25 different games to play each year.
As I said, premium game for a premium price. Some folks enjoy the offerings of today and I don't want to take anything away from them. I just personally feel that the genre has been held back by this model and I think there is a market for a premium game. Hell people are paying tens of thousands of dollars on games that don't even exist and won't for years to come.
There is a market that will pay $25 or even $49 a month for a premium game.
its painfully obvious to me that followers of the traditional mainstream gaming are getting ripped off. and I dont use the term 'painfully obvious' lightly, I mean the contrast is loud.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The thing is the more subscription cost the less player would be. So in the end the game company won't necessary make more money.
There's a reason why almost all the game on the market are f2p. So people that are willing to pay the high money can do so.
F2P players who spend nothing on the game are simply there to provide content to people who do pay.
Again, if you are happy with current games and monetization that's great. I don't want to stop F2P games. I'd simply like a choice for a premium game at a premium price.
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The thing is the more subscription cost the less player would be. So in the end the game company won't necessary make more money.
There's a reason why almost all the game on the market are f2p. So people that are willing to pay the high money can do so.
F2P players who spend nothing on the game are simply there to provide content to people who do pay.
Again, if you are happy with current games and monetization that's great. I don't want to stop F2P games. I'd simply like a choice for a premium game at a premium price.
Me too but in the end no company believe it'll work. The reality is why stop there charge 100$ per month or 500$ per month.
Many people are already paying that in f2p games. So why charge 25-50 when they can charge people more in f2p games.
The thing is the more subscription cost the less player would be. So in the end the game company won't necessary make more money.
There's a reason why almost all the game on the market are f2p. So people that are willing to pay the high money can do so.
F2P players who spend nothing on the game are simply there to provide content to people who do pay.
Again, if you are happy with current games and monetization that's great. I don't want to stop F2P games. I'd simply like a choice for a premium game at a premium price.
Me too but in the end no company believe it'll work. The reality is why stop there charge 100$ per month or 500$ per month.
Many people are already paying that in f2p games. So why charge 25-50 when they can charge people more in f2p games.
Because.. as I (and others above) have stated a few times... I think there is a market of people that will pay $25 or even $49 a month for a premium game without the F2P/cash shop/pay for advantage stuff. I'd happily pay $49 a month for a premium game but you know how much I have spent on cash shop/F2P games? ZERO. Not a cent. Do i think I'm in the majority? No, but I do believe there are more of us than you may think. So a developer can aim to be number 1298 F2P game, or aim to stand out from the competition by delivering something different.
Again though, it's not just paying a sub that magically makes the game better. I want a premium product to match that. Maybe much more active GMs, some live events... something that makes it a premium product.
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$25-49 isnt a fair price....You'd be paying $300-600 a year just to play a video game....Most of us cant even justify paying $180 a year just to have access to a video game.....
Not a fair price? Don't play it if that's how you feel.
When I play an MMORPG I play at LEAST 20 hours a week. That's over 1000 hours a year. Yeah if I am enjoying a game enough to play it for a year I think I can spring for 30 or 60 cents an hour (and that's on the high end... I'm sure many would play a lot more than 20 hours a week).
We already have more F2P games that I can count. Go enjoy those all you want.
I'm waiting for a game to have the balls to charge a real sub fee and ditch the cash shop/RMT cheese.
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But so far most of that is only brought and available by these survival sort of games, but there mostly the same thing build destroy build destroy, with no other goal to aim for no quests no nothing, if they can mix both of these together with proper battle formations and combat tactics and a monthly sub, i for 1 would go for it if the game was good enough. right now its all dead and same old same old.
But the reality is 25$ a month don't necessary mean the game is good. In fact most company already made up the mind instead of charging a fixed fee, it's easier to make into f2p games where people can be charged with however amount they willing to part.
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I guess the closest I could come to a perfect game is Archeage with no cash shop, limited RNG, no dungeons or events (to keep people on the oceans and running packs for more pvp action), instanced housing neighborhoods, and skill/gear ratio with a bit less emphasis on gear as it is now.
Looking forward to: Crowfall / Lost Ark / Black Desert Mobile
And most gamers have moved on from the old traditional style of MMOs.
Like I said I quit playing before F2P went live so things easily could have changed.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Some of these people will spend a shit ton of money on a computer with power they don't even need just so they can e-peen their specs in a forum signature and then complain about a $50 expansion.
There was a thread a couple of months ago about drinking alcohol while playing and people were puffing up their chests boasting about the expensive scotch they drink....but OMFG!!!! An expansion is too expensive.
I'd pay a $50 a month sub just to play a game without all the entitlement babies running around whining all the time.
~~ postlarval ~~
But as you say... there is already a flood of games that are F2P. If you are one of those that enjoys them, knock yourself out and play them all! I'm not asking that they force all games to ditch F2P cash shops, or anything else.
Im just looking for a choice where we can also have a premium game for a premium price. I spend $75 on a round of golf. Some of us just want a quality gaming experience with a level playing field and no pay for advantage. Some of us are willing to pay a company what I would consider a fair price. Choice is good isn't it?
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The problem is that until there is a game that can create a unique experience or something with a much higher quality I'm not paying a premium. Why would I pay $25 per month to grind the same sort of content over and over when that money gives me 20-25 different games to play each year.
If the AAA money would follow the lead of games like Rust, 7DTD and the like then such a game could be created for sure
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
There is a market that will pay $25 or even $49 a month for a premium game.
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- No free trials or free to x level
- No cash shop
- No forum access unless subscribed
- EDIT: Forgot one - NO early access. Finish the damn game
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There's a reason why almost all the game on the market are f2p. So people that are willing to pay the high money can do so.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Again, if you are happy with current games and monetization that's great. I don't want to stop F2P games. I'd simply like a choice for a premium game at a premium price.
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Many people are already paying that in f2p games. So why charge 25-50 when they can charge people more in f2p games.
Again though, it's not just paying a sub that magically makes the game better. I want a premium product to match that. Maybe much more active GMs, some live events... something that makes it a premium product.
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