Personally I've never understood why people have such an issue with other people choosing to solo. I think the issue is when the game systems are really set up in a way that makes you feel forced to solo.
No one is forced to play any game .. and hence no one is forced to solo. You can always choose a game that needs group.
I watched this video where Richard Garriott says his new game is doing this thing called selective multiplayer and it's his new IP. I lol'd for a couple reasons. 1. selective multiplayer isn't a new thing at all. And 2. selective mulitplayer is dumb. I like options but too many play mode options in a game dilutes the experience and unbalances the shared mechanics.
In the example that is Shroud of the Avatar, it has multiple modes of game play but all modes share a single economy... and that sucks. They even go so far as to make rules that basically state gold farmers should always use single player online mode for farming gold (because first and foremost, it's a RMT game).
You go to a solo mode and farm unimpeded and then go to multi to trade and then back to solo to farm; it's retarded. If you are the sort that likes that kind of game, that's great but people shouldn't think that's a MMO or a MMORPG... it's a sim for RMT and that's it.
If you want a solo experience, find a great game that is designed for a solo experience. If you want a multi experience with story arcs, find games that cater to that. The MMO genre is being polluted by solo players that want all the coolness of a MMO (economy, trade, shared sandbox) without having to see anyone else. That's stupid.
You're way to hung up on Garriott. You made a targeted rant thread veiled as a general topic and you obsess over every little thing. Move on. How about you take your own advice and don't tell other people how they want to play.
If you think mmos are driving people to solo you're wrong. It's people like you who go OCD on crazy shit. Who in the hell wants to game with people like that? I want to game with people who are enjoying themselves not who go on and on about some petty soapbox rant.
Actually, I don't think it's gamers that make games bad, I think it's game developers that go for quick cash instead of making truly great games. Why on earth would a game developer want to make a mediocre swiss army knife for a game if not for the fast cash? If game developers would make games that cater to a specific audience rather than trying to cater to all audiences, we gamers wouldn't as often find ourselves trying to redefine games.
How's this for an aproach... market your game as a MMO if it's actually a MMO. Market your game as a single player experience if that's what it is.
Personally I've never understood why people have such an issue with other people choosing to solo. I think the issue is when the game systems are really set up in a way that makes you feel forced to solo.
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For myself, I dislike when others solo in group oriented games for one reason. For every person who chooses to solo, that's one less person I can group with. With simple raw numbers, if a server has 1000 logged in, that's a maximum of 166 6-man groups that can be formed. If 400 chose to solo, that means only 100 groups can be formed, and if 700 are soloing, only 50 groups can be formed. At some point those soloing hurts the ability of those who choose to group to actually form a group. It indirectly affects other players.
This doesn't consider other factors, such as levels and classes. Those elements affect the ability to grouping also. If a group doesn't have a needed class to fulfill a specific role (healer or tank are most common), the remainder of that group is essentially non-functional. If the level distribution isn't equal across all levels, some level groups may have difficulty forming groups. When players wanting a group have no group to join, a large portion of the game's population is limited to solo activities -- traveling, socializing, crafting, managing inventory, trading, etc.
I do solo in most games these days. And I actually agree with many of the points @Eldurian makes. I'm just unable to play for 2-3 hours at a stretch these days and spending what time I do have trying to find a group just isn't satisfying.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
I think back to the beginning, EQ 1. Tons of players, all new to MMO's, running around East Commonlands huddled in the cave being a community. If I remember correctly, the only way to start leveling up was to group for orcs. There, I met dozens of people who I am still friends with irl. Since those days, I have played probably 20 different games, and not one gives me that "feel". WoW a little bit in the beginning. I am now playing ESO which I love, but it's practically a solo game. I really miss the tight guilds, and people being on 24/7 who you enjoyed playing with.
For myself, I dislike when others solo in group oriented games for one reason. For every person who chooses to solo, that's one less person I can group with.
lol .. no one is obligated to group with you. If you cannot attract people to play with you, it is your problem.
Sure, you dislike it .. but why would any other gamer cares about your problem?
For myself, I dislike when others solo in group oriented games for one reason. For every person who chooses to solo, that's one less person I can group with.
And that's why I don't get the argument. If people prefer solo content, and the game forces them into group content, do you think you'll actually have more people to group with?
Think of a type of content you don't enjoy. If the game forced you to participate in this type of content to be viable, would you? I'm guessing that answer is. "No, I would find another game."
Same thing for forced grouping and removing solo viable content. If there are 1000 people logged in, and 400 choose to solo (Probably more like 700-900 in most games to be honest) and you take the stick approach of making soloing non-viable and forcing grouping, you're probably just going to lose 400 players, not helping your problem, and hurting the games revenue / ability to deliver new content and updates.
But like I said. I actually enjoy grouping. It's not that I don't group because I'm anti-social. I don't group because I feel forced along a path of quick progression to get to what I want (PvP), and generally the process of grouping slows that progression down. Especially with PUGs. Most of the time when I do choose to group it's with guildies and allies.
If the rewards were something more worthwhile then some RNG gear that I will replace in 5 levels anyway, and the quests were set up in such a way that having other players improved my ability to level, well then... that would change everything. At that point, I would choose to group up.
Or if I could bypass the progression entirely and go straight to the content I want, that content is small group open world PvP. So that would have me grouping on day 1.
Personally, my dream MMORPG would have all (or nearly all) content scale-able from 1 to X players. I don't want a solo only experience but I don't want to be forced into 4-5++ player groups to do all the relevant high end content. I want the choice to do it alone, do it with a friend or two, or party up with a bunch of server community / guild members.
This kinda relates to my previous thread about forced grouping/soloing. But a slightly. different subject (though the beginning of this post overlaps with my previous thread).
So I'll talk about Asheron's Call. The community in that game (on Morningthaw, on Darktide it was crap so I avoided that server) was very good except for the PvP server (which is NOT part of the discussion). Every PVE/optional PvP servers had great communities in AC. While people could solo EVERYTHING, and in some ways that was more optimal...however people often randomly joined groups, chatted with each other, helped each other and were very friendly. In fact, Asheron's Call had a more, friendlier and helpful community than Everquest 1 which pretty much forced grouping. In AC people grouped to help others, to socialize and have a lot of fun together.
So where am I going with that?...Well...
Go to todays community. Its 4chan style trolling, rude people, leeroy jenkin wannabees, loot stealers and people using each other to get ahead of the game. The main reason people group these days is for selfish reasons, and would otherwise not group if they could. Which in Asheron's Call people ALWAYS grouped even though soloing was very viable, because people wanted to actually group and were overall friendly. Even friendlier MMOs like LOTRO are nowhere near as good as MMOs of old. Then there are the more niche MMOs like Ryzom and Istaria/Horizons (the dragon MMO) which are closed off communities that with the little players they have act very elitist and rude.
But that actually goes to society of today (at least in the US). Today people is only I, I and I, and very rarely do people help others unless they get something out of it. And if they do help, they get sued. Why would people want to play with others that are so rude and selfish like that? That goes back to MMOs.
The MMO community overall has become VERY toxic, very rude, trolls and memes galore and really selfish. Most people won't even group unless they are forced to do so, making it a selfish reason. I grouped all the time in Asheron's Call even though I could do everything on my own.
A good example of this is in EVE. There was a story on PCgamer (recently) of a guy who spent 1+ year becoming great "friends" with a corp (it was a pirate corp), but it turns out he only wanted to steal all their stuff and sabotage them from within. I'd never want to group with someone like that or even associate myself with such a sociopath. He didn't even care about the friendships he made. And that is true for a lot of MMO gamers these days, they are more than glad to move on from an MMO than stay where their long time friends are.
In Asheron's Call, friendships lasted for decades and many would stay because of those friendships and even keep in contact years later. These days, if a group of friends quit an MMO that you've had for years, people just say "find new friends". Communities of old never acted like that, but that is how things are in real life these days in society.
I believe that is why so many people prefer to just solo these days and not group. That is a big reason I don't group, because why would I want to associate or even socialize with such rude people that don't even care about others and if I unsubbed they wouldn't care at all even if they'd been friends for years? That isn't how old MMO communities were (at least for Asheron's Call).
To end it off...there ARE good groups and guilds out there. But they are far harder to find than how MMOs communities used to be. And one of the huge reasons people (my theory anyway) don't like grouping nearly as much as they used to and only do it if they are forced to do so. Because most people don't actually want to associate or socialize with such rude and immature people that are actually using them to get ahead or some endgame item.
I was there in the early days of Asherons Call, infact i played it till they shut it down. and there was still tons of cool people willing to help each other out to just enjoy the game. Best game i ever played hands down, i met people in that game i still talk to today from across the world.
but when AC was in its glory days MMO's were not main stream, so there was not near as many people playing them. and when you add the masses to anything the IQ level quickly drops.
These days its " cool " to troll people and its not cool to try at anything. or your a " try hard ". and the most sad part of this? most of these people are adults acting like this.
In the AC days people who acted like that where black balled from doing the high end content with others. nobody would trade with them, or deal with them at all. they either made a new character and changed how they acted or delt with being a outsider.
I think people don't value the real importance of a vpp server... Once yuy have a pvp server, most trolls will join that server, leaving the pvp much cleaner.
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The game rewards you more for soling then running PUGs.
Speed running soloquests is by the far quickest way to level so more and more people play that way.
As for the loot stealing it depends on antiquated mechanics, it should not be possible anyways. But sure, larger severs and even megaservers together with random PUGing mechanics means many jerks don't have to play nice anymore. In the old days they behaved or their reputation on the server made grouping impossible.
I dunno why there seems to be more trolls today, might be because the old games had more GMs and people reported such behavior better then or maybe it is because the entire internet etiquette seems to have gone downwards the last 15 years.
When we started to play MMOs were a small niche genre and that might influence people as well.
But the main reason is that people are lazy and greedy and play the way that gives out most XP for an hours play, now it is at least twice as fast to speedrun soloquests then doing dungeons with far less risk of failure. If things were the other way around far more people would group, in fact when they changed it around 2008 grouping went down fast.
Now people just group for powerlevel those soloquests even faster or for the endgame. The endgame though have little soloing and all the good gear are in dungeons and raids so people getting there start to group (not always with great result since many of them never learned the group mechanics).
In AC1, there were quest leaders who were regularly organizing server wide events, Aerfalle runs for instance. Guilds weren't that important, everyone knew everyone on the server. That is also no longer possible nowadays with that "megaserver" system all games have embraced.
Reminds me of City of Heroes, where it was usually the same people organizing the Hamidon "raid" each week. It was also one of the better group experiences I've had on an MMO. People teamed often, and with the adjustable difficulty sliders, it was easy to customize the challenge level for your group. No shitty loot rolls either, which has always been the downfall of games like WoW, where you get at least a few ninja looters a day if you use the groupfinder frequently.
It seems devs have started wising up to the latter though. NWO at least partially did away with the rolling on loot (compared to the carbon copy of WoW's loot system that they used initially), and SWL also has individual loot. Can't trust the player base not to go grab any chance they can get to ruin other people's day. Which should be a golden rule for devs to keep in mind. :P
The many posts on this thread also make a fine example of that particular trend lol.
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Can't trust the player base not to go grab any chance they can get to ruin other people's day. Which should be a golden rule for devs to keep in mind. :P
A part of the player base going out of their way to ruin others fun isn't new, it already existed in UO 20+ years ago. But back then, you quickly earned a bad reputation on your server and you could rapidly end in trouble, alone, without anyone wanting to craft for you or sell you anything, and also on PvP worlds hunted down by other players.
But nowadays you have many ways to escape a bad reputation: - Megaservers and/or server change services. - Random automatic grouping (looking for group). - Name change services. - Anonymous auction house.
So even if a player really acts like a jerk, gets kicked from several guilds, and ends being unwanted in all groups, he has always several ways to reset that bad reputation or just ignore it.
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WoW also has personal loot now btw.
Yeah, zero accountability helps that attitude flourish. As for WoW, I haven't touched it since MoP, but I'm not surprised to hear they implemented that. Blizzard's taken a lot of measures over the years to reign in crappy behavior. Hearthstone and HoS both had their share of restrictions to try to keep the toxicity down.
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Really? Took them some time to add that, one would have thought they would have put it in at the same time they borrowed instanced PvP from GW around 2006 (or we can say they were inspired by it if that sound better to you).
It does help a lot, when people can ninja there is always someone that does and when many people get ninjad enough times they start as well.
If you just group with your guild there rarely is a problem but need and greed never really worked in PUGs and with random cross server PUGs the problem get a lot worse.
Really? Took them some time to add that, one would have thought they would have put it in at the same time they borrowed instanced PvP from GW around 2006 (or we can say they were inspired by it if that sound better to you).
WoW borrowed instanced PvP from Guild Wars?!
What the heck are you talking about?
Battlegrounds were mentioned in the instruction manual for WoW when it released in November 2004 and released in June 2005. Guild Wars released in April 2005.
So ...Blizzard played GW, became inspired by its instanced PvP and implemented it into WoW all with the span of 2 months? Thats you're saying?
These days its " cool " to troll people and its not cool to try at anything. or your a " try hard ". and the most sad part of this? most of these people are adults acting like this.
You can always vote-kick them. We are talking about games here. There is no reason why people cannot take the entertainment the way they like.
Those are my most frequent reasons to avoid grouping and there is really no justifiable reason for that in my mind. With the exclusion of flakes who keep going afk every 10 seconds grouping should be the fastest route to big rewards. But it rarely is, because the rewards just don't account for the extra hassle of having to find and put a group together and then coordinate your efforts. And so many of the rewards you do get for group content are RNG.
Some folks seem to think that soloing should lead to the same rewards at the same rate as grouping. The logistics of building a group and depending upon them to help accomplish more difficult tasks is heresy to them.
Some folks seem to think that soloing should lead to the same rewards at the same rate as grouping. The logistics of building a group and depending upon them to help accomplish more difficult tasks is heresy to them.
well, don't you think people can have any preference they wish in games? It is a free world and we are talking about entertainment, not human rights.
Plus, devs can make anything they want .. they can choose to listen to any segment of their audience. So it is quite fair.
Some folks seem to think that soloing should lead to the same rewards at the same rate as grouping. The logistics of building a group and depending upon them to help accomplish more difficult tasks is heresy to them.
well, don't you think people can have any preference they wish in games? It is a free world and we are talking about entertainment, not human rights.
Plus, devs can make anything they want .. they can choose to listen to any segment of their audience. So it is quite fair.
There's an elitist attitude in many games that is a turn off to many players. While some games are worse than others, it exists in almost every game. I have gotten to the point where I turn off chats in most games. I play solo because either I have no one to play with or people that can't play at the same time. My schedule doesn't allow me to game hours every day and my schedule seems to change depending on the work load. In most cases, its my own issue in terms of time which makes me a solo player.
For the most part the OP has a true story but this leads me to the game i called my final home for many years.
I can remember a situation as clear as yesterday and it was 15 years ago,go figure eh,well that tells an even better story of community and proves it has not nor does it always have to be the negative way,it all depends on what type of people a game attracts.
I actually have several fond memories of my early days within FFXI and NONE of them had anything to do with forcing anyone to do anything.The best example would be when i wanted to attain perhaps the most potent class in FFXI,the Ninja class.Not wanting to ask for help and not even know where to go ,i journeyed ahead to at least familiarize myself so when i did ask for help i knew where to go and what i was doing.
Well when i found the destination/activation place,i was greeted by some JPN players and so goes the story.FFXI the ONLY game to EVER have a language translator,so we had the ability to somewhat communicate with each other.Well they asked me if i was trying to get the Ninja and i responded with Yes and they responded by asking me to join them so i did.
So without any hesitation they were friendly asking me to join because they knew i would not be able to do it alone,i said my thanks and they sent me off with nice to meet you's and i was happy.
No other game can bring different languages,different communities together and yet FFXI did it and still does it.I spent most of my early years playing with primarily JPN players with nothing but the language translator and i enjoyed it.
Now a days it is all about the selfish race to end game,then rinse and repeat instancing dungeons,there is no real game,no community just an end goal to attain loot and it is sad ,even more so that it is the type of design being supported,i call it the anti mmorpg design.
I end it by saying ,i feel sorry for those that never got to experience the early years of FFXI,it was a truly good community and a lot of fun and met a lot of different people.For a couple years i had a good friend who was a JPN fisherman by trade,too bad something happened,i don't remember but i never heard from him again,but he was a funny cool person from JPN and only within FFXI could you have a friend from JPN.
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There's an elitist attitude in many games that is a turn off to many players. While some games are worse than others, it exists in almost every game. I have gotten to the point where I turn off chats in most games. I play solo because either I have no one to play with or people that can't play at the same time. My schedule doesn't allow me to game hours every day and my schedule seems to change depending on the work load. In most cases, its my own issue in terms of time which makes me a solo player.
This is very true and yet people often scoffed at me when i wanted to restart my fave game with noobs.I realize not everyone should be lumped in a stereotypical persona but i know that with noobs i would be experiencing a game as non elitists,just to have some fun.
I have always figured that most people try to race ahead so they can look down on others and call them noobs because they know more being higher level,it is a very immature way of thinking but i know people think like that.
Many wonder why we have often scoffed at Blizzard and the type of people their games attract,well look no further than hearthstone.Check out any Twitch chat and first thing you'll see is people talking about noobs and their rank,it is pathetic but runs rampant within Blizzard games.
As soon as you create a pedestal ,rank.ladders your game is bound to immature people,you attract the bad crowd and another good reason why i don't like pvp in my mmorpg's,i don't want to see our pvp rank,i don't care,i want to see people coming together to help each other not fight each other.
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In the example that is Shroud of the Avatar, it has multiple modes of game play but all modes share a single economy... and that sucks. They even go so far as to make rules that basically state gold farmers should always use single player online mode for farming gold (because first and foremost, it's a RMT game).
You go to a solo mode and farm unimpeded and then go to multi to trade and then back to solo to farm; it's retarded. If you are the sort that likes that kind of game, that's great but people shouldn't think that's a MMO or a MMORPG... it's a sim for RMT and that's it.
If you want a solo experience, find a great game that is designed for a solo experience. If you want a multi experience with story arcs, find games that cater to that. The MMO genre is being polluted by solo players that want all the coolness of a MMO (economy, trade, shared sandbox) without having to see anyone else. That's stupid.
Actually, I don't think it's gamers that make games bad, I think it's game developers that go for quick cash instead of making truly great games. Why on earth would a game developer want to make a mediocre swiss army knife for a game if not for the fast cash? If game developers would make games that cater to a specific audience rather than trying to cater to all audiences, we gamers wouldn't as often find ourselves trying to redefine games.
How's this for an aproach... market your game as a MMO if it's actually a MMO. Market your game as a single player experience if that's what it is.
This doesn't consider other factors, such as levels and classes. Those elements affect the ability to grouping also. If a group doesn't have a needed class to fulfill a specific role (healer or tank are most common), the remainder of that group is essentially non-functional. If the level distribution isn't equal across all levels, some level groups may have difficulty forming groups. When players wanting a group have no group to join, a large portion of the game's population is limited to solo activities -- traveling, socializing, crafting, managing inventory, trading, etc.
I do solo in most games these days. And I actually agree with many of the points @Eldurian makes. I'm just unable to play for 2-3 hours at a stretch these days and spending what time I do have trying to find a group just isn't satisfying.
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
Sure, you dislike it .. but why would any other gamer cares about your problem?
Think of a type of content you don't enjoy. If the game forced you to participate in this type of content to be viable, would you? I'm guessing that answer is. "No, I would find another game."
Same thing for forced grouping and removing solo viable content. If there are 1000 people logged in, and 400 choose to solo (Probably more like 700-900 in most games to be honest) and you take the stick approach of making soloing non-viable and forcing grouping, you're probably just going to lose 400 players, not helping your problem, and hurting the games revenue / ability to deliver new content and updates.
But like I said. I actually enjoy grouping. It's not that I don't group because I'm anti-social. I don't group because I feel forced along a path of quick progression to get to what I want (PvP), and generally the process of grouping slows that progression down. Especially with PUGs. Most of the time when I do choose to group it's with guildies and allies.
If the rewards were something more worthwhile then some RNG gear that I will replace in 5 levels anyway, and the quests were set up in such a way that having other players improved my ability to level, well then... that would change everything. At that point, I would choose to group up.
Or if I could bypass the progression entirely and go straight to the content I want, that content is small group open world PvP. So that would have me grouping on day 1.
but when AC was in its glory days MMO's were not main stream, so there was not near as many people playing them. and when you add the masses to anything the IQ level quickly drops.
These days its " cool " to troll people and its not cool to try at anything. or your a " try hard ".
and the most sad part of this? most of these people are adults acting like this.
In the AC days people who acted like that where black balled from doing the high end content with others. nobody would trade with them, or deal with them at all. they either made a new character and changed how they acted or delt with being a outsider.
Now there is entire clans of people like that.
Basically clicking away text windows ruins every MMO, try to have fun instead of rushing things. Without story and lore all there is left is a bunch of mechanics.
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Speed running soloquests is by the far quickest way to level so more and more people play that way.
As for the loot stealing it depends on antiquated mechanics, it should not be possible anyways. But sure, larger severs and even megaservers together with random PUGing mechanics means many jerks don't have to play nice anymore. In the old days they behaved or their reputation on the server made grouping impossible.
I dunno why there seems to be more trolls today, might be because the old games had more GMs and people reported such behavior better then or maybe it is because the entire internet etiquette seems to have gone downwards the last 15 years.
When we started to play MMOs were a small niche genre and that might influence people as well.
But the main reason is that people are lazy and greedy and play the way that gives out most XP for an hours play, now it is at least twice as fast to speedrun soloquests then doing dungeons with far less risk of failure. If things were the other way around far more people would group, in fact when they changed it around 2008 grouping went down fast.
Now people just group for powerlevel those soloquests even faster or for the endgame. The endgame though have little soloing and all the good gear are in dungeons and raids so people getting there start to group (not always with great result since many of them never learned the group mechanics).
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It seems devs have started wising up to the latter though. NWO at least partially did away with the rolling on loot (compared to the carbon copy of WoW's loot system that they used initially), and SWL also has individual loot. Can't trust the player base not to go grab any chance they can get to ruin other people's day. Which should be a golden rule for devs to keep in mind. :P
The many posts on this thread also make a fine example of that particular trend lol.
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It does help a lot, when people can ninja there is always someone that does and when many people get ninjad enough times they start as well.
If you just group with your guild there rarely is a problem but need and greed never really worked in PUGs and with random cross server PUGs the problem get a lot worse.
What the heck are you talking about?
Battlegrounds were mentioned in the instruction manual for WoW when it released in November 2004 and released in June 2005. Guild Wars released in April 2005.
So ...Blizzard played GW, became inspired by its instanced PvP and implemented it into WoW all with the span of 2 months? Thats you're saying?
Plus, devs can make anything they want .. they can choose to listen to any segment of their audience. So it is quite fair.
I can remember a situation as clear as yesterday and it was 15 years ago,go figure eh,well that tells an even better story of community and proves it has not nor does it always have to be the negative way,it all depends on what type of people a game attracts.
I actually have several fond memories of my early days within FFXI and NONE of them had anything to do with forcing anyone to do anything.The best example would be when i wanted to attain perhaps the most potent class in FFXI,the Ninja class.Not wanting to ask for help and not even know where to go ,i journeyed ahead to at least familiarize myself so when i did ask for help i knew where to go and what i was doing.
Well when i found the destination/activation place,i was greeted by some JPN players and so goes the story.FFXI the ONLY game to EVER have a language translator,so we had the ability to somewhat communicate with each other.Well they asked me if i was trying to get the Ninja and i responded with Yes and they responded by asking me to join them so i did.
So without any hesitation they were friendly asking me to join because they knew i would not be able to do it alone,i said my thanks and they sent me off with nice to meet you's and i was happy.
No other game can bring different languages,different communities together and yet FFXI did it and still does it.I spent most of my early years playing with primarily JPN players with nothing but the language translator and i enjoyed it.
Now a days it is all about the selfish race to end game,then rinse and repeat instancing dungeons,there is no real game,no community just an end goal to attain loot and it is sad ,even more so that it is the type of design being supported,i call it the anti mmorpg design.
I end it by saying ,i feel sorry for those that never got to experience the early years of FFXI,it was a truly good community and a lot of fun and met a lot of different people.For a couple years i had a good friend who was a JPN fisherman by trade,too bad something happened,i don't remember but i never heard from him again,but he was a funny cool person from JPN and only within FFXI could you have a friend from JPN.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I have always figured that most people try to race ahead so they can look down on others and call them noobs because they know more being higher level,it is a very immature way of thinking but i know people think like that.
Many wonder why we have often scoffed at Blizzard and the type of people their games attract,well look no further than hearthstone.Check out any Twitch chat and first thing you'll see is people talking about noobs and their rank,it is pathetic but runs rampant within Blizzard games.
As soon as you create a pedestal ,rank.ladders your game is bound to immature people,you attract the bad crowd and another good reason why i don't like pvp in my mmorpg's,i don't want to see our pvp rank,i don't care,i want to see people coming together to help each other not fight each other.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.