The game is pure pay to win, also promising stuff that will never be in the game.. I backed it at the lowest level because I will try it out for sure, its interesting, but I know its pay to win and that it won't have all that was promised, and that beta will be in 2019 at earliest and still have 10-20% of what was promised done by then. Never hype stuff too much with a new company and expect what is on paper to ever appear in game fully.
MMORPG.COM, if you are going to post here, you'd better be wearing your big boy pants.
I was thinking, when I read one of those brand spanking new accounts claim MMORPG.com forums have a toxic reputation earlier in the thread, that the label really translates into "doesn't take bullshit well." That's the kind of label I think we can all be proud of.
That's assuming everything on this site is bullshit, because there's always an unhappy group. I remember Bill once said in a post he liked something and a couple of people crucified him for having a personal preference. That's not about not taking bullshit well, but more in lines of being an idiot and acting tough behind a username.
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MMORPG.COM, if you are going to post here, you'd better be wearing your big boy pants.
I was thinking, when I read one of those brand spanking new accounts claim MMORPG.com forums have a toxic reputation earlier in the thread, that the label really translates into "doesn't take bullshit well." That's the kind of label I think we can all be proud of.
That's assuming everything on this site is bullshit, because there's always an unhappy group. I remember Bill once said in a post he liked something and a couple of people crucified him for having a personal preference. That's not about not taking bullshit well, but more in lines of being an idiot and acting tough behind a username.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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MMORPG.COM, if you are going to post here, you'd better be wearing your big boy pants.
I was thinking, when I read one of those brand spanking new accounts claim MMORPG.com forums have a toxic reputation earlier in the thread, that the label really translates into "doesn't take bullshit well." That's the kind of label I think we can all be proud of.
That's assuming everything on this site is bullshit, because there's always an unhappy group. I remember Bill once said in a post he liked something and a couple of people crucified him for having a personal preference. That's not about not taking bullshit well, but more in lines of being an idiot and acting tough behind a username.
Oh yeah? Why don't you say that to my face?
Bring it on cat boy!!
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Anytime I see someone use the tired excuse of "there are always delays in every project" , I cringe ... white knights, devs, and critics need to toss that excuse out on it's bum. Project management is a thing .. please just stop.
I agree that breaking deadlines in not good, but even more important is the way the message is delivered and how questions about deadlines etc were handled in the past. That's what gives you confidence and insight into the people making the game. In this case its a total disaster.
I like to just sit on the fence and wait and see. I see this game coming out sometime after StarCitizen does. For sure not this year and there is almost zero chance of it being in 2018, maybe 2019 but more then likely 2020.
These guys are all over the map with what they want to do. Some mud that evolved into a voxel game or something like that. Seeing and working with the state that SpatialOS is in and having used UE4 for a long time now. I know both are constantly changing and unless they locked them selfs down to some older version of UE4 (SpatialOS only supports upto version 4.16.3 atm and then chances between the last 3 major versions of SpatialOS has been massive and required rewriting alot of code anyone useing the UE4 intergration would have had to do. I can't imagine ANY major UE4 game using SpatialOS atm. The general sense is that its UE4 support is WAY to early atm. It is why they are saying UE4 support is only in Beta and Expermental support at best atm.
Now if they where working in Unity then I would say 2018 is possible. But its looking more like 2018 / 2019 before UE4 + SpatialOS is in a happy place to be able to even attempt any sort of real game development with them both.
Now I guess it could be possible they are writing there own server side in C++ from the ground up without using UE4 on the server side. But if that is indeed the case then your looking at YEARS of development and it would negate UE4 to just being a front end client. I guess that is possible but seeing some of the questions they ask on the SpatialOS forums and in discord I highly doubt it because there questions / stuff they ask if fairly basic and easily answered by people that KNOW UE4 and know the workings of SpatialOS.
*Grabs his popcorn* But what I can say is that its YEARS before you will get the game they sold on kickstarter. I would NOT be suprised if this voxel game or whatever side project does not turn out to be the final product you guys get. It seems way more within there wheel house of things they can pull off given the staff they have working with them atm.
Now I guess it could be possible they are writing there own server side in C++ from the ground up without using UE4 on the server side. But if that is indeed the case then your looking at YEARS of development and it would negate UE4 to just being a front end client.
iirc, that is exactly what they intend to do and why they push mud version forward since I believe they said they do have at least partially developed backend.
From technical stand point, their development plan does not seem unreasonable, although using this much middleware can turn out very tricky...
So, being in that extremely odd and socially awkward community for around 4 months, I've come across some conclusions:
1) I believe the game is a hoax, in that it's bogus and not going to resemble the final product whatsoever. How did I come to that conclusion? Around three years of development with very little to show for it. Their pre-alpha videos are mediocre at best. Compare to other MMO's (Kickstarter or not) and you'll probably come to the same conclusions as me.
2) They cannot keep up with very simple deadlines, very evident from the get-go. They repeatedly make up garbage backstories for these "tribes". And apparently they have used Caspian's Psychology degree/major from whatever college he graduated from to keep these guys focused on the backstory and get them to make somewhat of a cult around each and every tribe. Result? Just endless forum threads about such and such "Tribe". It was all they had 6 months ago when I chose to leave, and astonishingly, the same holds true even for today. On one hand, props for the getting all the bone-heads focused on something other the lack of development of the game, on the other hand, they know time marches on.
In fact, the missing of deadline has even gotten to the point where they would delay these simple to create and publish back stories, which are nothing but 4/5 paragraphs of text, with little extra in terms of pictures. So, basically, they can't even bother to write up paragraphs every other month on time. And their community members have picked up on that.
3) They seem to be on the border of lying to the community in terms of their expected goals and their ongoing funding issue. I've heard of the troubles they've had trying to find an investor or collective group of them. If you consider the fact that this game promises too much with very little budget and very little time, you'll probably wonder if this entire company and game is just a ploy.
4) They are making some type of minecraft rip-off as a way to decide something about land ownership in the game? How do they have time to develop that minecraft wannabe game with so little time on their hands?
5) This forum is probably biased in it's own sense, but when I first saw this website get bashed in the CoE forums, I wondered what was the reason everyone on the CoE forum had their panties in a bundle. And to be frank, I can see why: you guys are just blunt and reasoning things out.
Caspian seemed to snap at the guy who asked whether Caspians original 2017 release date for the game was remotely feasible, saying what proof did that guy have for doubting Caspian in the first place. And ta-da, guess that guy was right, projected release date was pushed back out of 2017. Why do I mention this? Because his response to a paying customer was so unprofessional and biased that when I read about it on this forum, I was sort of disgusted.
Let's just be honest, if I spent anywhere from $60-$10,000+ I wouldn't want to be reading this website, because some of points brought up make a lot of sense. Such as the fact the game resembles and utilizes P2W elements, and has very underhanded ways of generating revenue. Not to mention I'd be constantly let down for all of the reasons above and all of the reasons mentioned on the CoE part of this forum.
Maybe that's why people have been refunding their titles and packages.
Very first post I've made on here. I had left the community for around 6 months while finishing college. Came back to see they hadn't had any progress whatsoever.
MMORPG.COM, if you are going to post here, you'd better be wearing your big boy pants.
I was thinking, when I read one of those brand spanking new accounts claim MMORPG.com forums have a toxic reputation earlier in the thread, that the label really translates into "doesn't take bullshit well." That's the kind of label I think we can all be proud of.
That's assuming everything on this site is bullshit, because there's always an unhappy group. I remember Bill once said in a post he liked something and a couple of people crucified him for having a personal preference. That's not about not taking bullshit well, but more in lines of being an idiot and acting tough behind a username.
Eh it was primarily a tongue-in-cheek response. In regards to the topic at hand, there's a large amount skepticism around here about the progression of crowdfunding in MMORPG. Some folks may see it as toxic, I disagree. It's more cautious realism.
I'm not sure I agree with Slapshot when he says he thinks the CoE team were merely incompetent in estimating their original timeline. There was already ample evidence in the landscape to clue them in that their original timeline was completely unrealistic. It's just much harder to sell a pledge on the idea of "you won't see the results for years."
MMORPG.COM, if you are going to post here, you'd better be wearing your big boy pants.
I was thinking, when I read one of those brand spanking new accounts claim MMORPG.com forums have a toxic reputation earlier in the thread, that the label really translates into "doesn't take bullshit well." That's the kind of label I think we can all be proud of.
That's assuming everything on this site is bullshit, because there's always an unhappy group. I remember Bill once said in a post he liked something and a couple of people crucified him for having a personal preference. That's not about not taking bullshit well, but more in lines of being an idiot and acting tough behind a username.
Eh it was primarily a tongue-in-cheek response. In regards to the topic at hand, there's a large amount skepticism around here about the progression of crowdfunding in MMORPG. Some folks may see it as toxic, I disagree. It's more cautious realism.
I'm not sure I agree with Slapshot when he says he thinks the CoE team were merely incompetent in estimating their original timeline. There was already ample evidence in the landscape to clue them in that their original timeline was completely unrealistic. It's just much harder to sell a pledge on the idea of "you won't see the results for years."
There is much truth to that... but as any long time reader knows... I always try to see the best in people and give them the benefit of the doubt!
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So you take something which has been asked for by hundreds, if not thousands of individuals,
Could you point us to the forum poll where these thousands of people asked to pay ten dollars to vote for a king?
Could you point us to any poll on your forum where thousands of people asked to buy more things from the cash shop?
I am so sick and tired of game devs coming here and spewing this line of bull to justify having p2w in cash shops.
You devs today spend way too much time listening to the small group of fanatics on your official site who praise you and not enough time listening to your critics. Sadly, your time is coming. You dont start selling the farm like this if you are cash heavy.
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Skipping over all these new accounts was amusing. I think my favorite was the guy who attacked SoL because they are earning their own money rather than selling p2w aspects.
CoE mocking SoL.. let's bring Pantheon into this too and have a Royal Rumble of overpromised games.
You must not have skipped over ALL of the new accounts like you said. Amusing? Quite.
You can't distract yourself with other activities if you truly want something to be great and successful.
Skipping over posts doesn't have the same meaning as skipping posts.
"Something great and successful" .. I'm not sure if you are serious when Caspian himself just realized that his 2017 release was completely unrealistic bullshit and most likely he will delay the release by 2-5 more years when the time comes.
And during that time he will live on the donations because that makes him "great and successful".
Why do I have the feeling that P.T. Barnum is laughing at us from beyond the grave? I'm pretty sure how he would view contributors to this particular project.
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MMORPG.COM, if you are going to post here, you'd better be wearing your big boy pants.
I was thinking, when I read one of those brand spanking new accounts claim MMORPG.com forums have a toxic reputation earlier in the thread, that the label really translates into "doesn't take bullshit well." That's the kind of label I think we can all be proud of.
Yeah....... "I've been on these (toxic) forums for years but never posted and I saw your (toxic) post so I just HAAAAAAD to come out of the woodwork to post a (toxic) post for my absoluter 1st (toxic) post about your (toxic) post because I have nothing better to do even though I've been here for years........"
I read many of your posts on their forums. I wondered where you had gone to. Stick around, I have a feeling the fun is just getting started!
I have to say, it is quite the honor to meet you. And you're right, the fun has only just commenced.
Is your account still active on the CoE forums? If so I shall keep an eye out for your posts.
I asked Serpentius to deactivate it via Discord.
I didn't want to be there when the disappointment cavalry hits hard, it'd be too much material for me to work with. Though I've started to glance at their forums again as of last week, and I think the sobering epiphany will come in the next several months for their community. Not even being spiteful; just an honest opinion based on their work ethic and track record.
MMORPG.COM, if you are going to post here, you'd better be wearing your big boy pants.
I was thinking, when I read one of those brand spanking new accounts claim MMORPG.com forums have a toxic reputation earlier in the thread, that the label really translates into "doesn't take bullshit well." That's the kind of label I think we can all be proud of.
Oh, give me a break, Frenchie. You may not be toxic but this forum definitely is nowadays. Skepticism has too often turned to relentless bashing in the name of "I'm right, it's going to fail, I'm right, I called it, I'm right ... did I mention I was right?"
I get your point, but crowdfunded MMORPG developers need no help scalping more cash from gamers for bold promises. I'm a believer in the whole idea that folks need to be responsible for their own actions; I just don't understand why so many around here seem to want to apply that idea strictly to the consumer side of this equation. Nobody's forcing these developers into making unrealistic promises to sell pledge packages. They consciously chose this route, and we all really know why: because their plans would never fly if they ran them by a traditional, experienced, and informed publisher.
That's no reason to cut them any slack, in my opinion. Quite the opposite. They're coming to gamers because they know gamers will make an emotional purchase instead of a calculated one. They know they can stoke the flames of that emotional attachment to continually fleece the same backers for repeated cash injections. I think most want genuinely want to create a fun game. I just also think that most (yes, even you, Chris Roberts) are in over their heads. That hasn't stopped some of them from revising deadline after deadline and blowing those those same deadlines repeatedly, all the while not batting one eyelash at the fact that they're raking in cash based on those deadlines and the hype they can create among their mini-communities.
I agree Slapshot passionately dislikes this game's development team. But, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I don't see any realistic way the team really believed they could achieve the goals they set and advertised to garner funds in the timeframe they set to, again, garner funds. If they're facing such passionate backlash from cynical types such as Slapshot, they have nobody but themselves to blame. Personal responsibility, and all that.
I read many of your posts on their forums. I wondered where you had gone to. Stick around, I have a feeling the fun is just getting started!
I have to say, it is quite the honor to meet you. And you're right, the fun has only just commenced.
Is your account still active on the CoE forums? If so I shall keep an eye out for your posts.
You definitely should. Trolling is much more fun when you have like-minded companions. The only thing better than investing personal time into destroying the work of others is having company when you do it.
Sad response. If you read Orangeboy's posts on the forum you would know that he was far from a troll. Even those he differed from seemed to respect him. He was well known in the community. This victim mentality is just sad
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I read many of your posts on their forums. I wondered where you had gone to. Stick around, I have a feeling the fun is just getting started!
I have to say, it is quite the honor to meet you. And you're right, the fun has only just commenced.
Is your account still active on the CoE forums? If so I shall keep an eye out for your posts.
You definitely should. Trolling is much more fun when you have like-minded companions. The only thing better than investing personal time into destroying the work of others is having company when you do it.
There are a couple of things wrong with your comment.
1) No one has the capacity to "destroy" CoE from just giving their opinion. The only ones who can destroy their own company are those who run it.
2) If you believe giving criticism or your own foresight of a game is trolling, then you'd have to take it up with Caspian himself, since he told me he quite enjoys my posts on CoE's own official Discord. Not only did he say he enjoys them, he said he hoped I never stopped posting on their forums. His words, not mine.
3) You cannot lump me with other people who have nothing to do with me, everything I say is from me alone.
4) How much did you put in the game? I know denial is a strong emotion, but the first step to getting over a MMO KS gone bad is by admitting you dun' fucked up.
Take everything with a light heart, do you think anyone has the time/energy to "destroy" someone's game? The person leading the project is already doing that, I'm just here giving credit where credit is due.
MMORPG.COM, if you are going to post here, you'd better be wearing your big boy pants.
I was thinking, when I read one of those brand spanking new accounts claim MMORPG.com forums have a toxic reputation earlier in the thread, that the label really translates into "doesn't take bullshit well." That's the kind of label I think we can all be proud of.
Oh, give me a break, Frenchie. You may not be toxic but this forum definitely is nowadays. Skepticism has too often turned to relentless bashing in the name of "I'm right, it's going to fail, I'm right, I called it, I'm right ... did I mention I was right?"
I get your point, but crowdfunded MMORPG developers need no help scalping more cash from gamers for bold promises. I'm a believer in the whole idea that folks need to be responsible for their own actions; I just don't understand why so many around here seem to want to apply that idea strictly to the consumer side of this equation. Nobody's forcing these developers into making unrealistic promises to sell pledge packages. They consciously chose this route, and we all really know why: because their plans would never fly if they ran them by a traditional, experienced, and informed publisher.
That's no reason to cut them any slack, in my opinion. Quite the opposite. They're coming to gamers because they know gamers will make an emotional purchase instead of a calculated one. They know they can stoke the flames of that emotional attachment to continually fleece the same backers for repeated cash injections. I think most want genuinely want to create a fun game. I just also think that most (yes, even you, Chris Roberts) are in over their heads. That hasn't stopped some of them from revising deadline after deadline and blowing those those same deadlines repeatedly, all the while not batting one eyelash at the fact that they're raking in cash based on those deadlines and the hype they can create among their mini-communities.
I agree Slapshot passionately dislikes this game's development team. But, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I don't see any realistic way the team really believed they could achieve the goals they set and advertised to garner funds in the timeframe they set to, again, garner funds. If they're facing such passionate backlash from cynical types such as Slapshot, they have nobody but themselves to blame. Personal responsibility, and all that.
It's always easier to blame the messenger.
I mean... the discussion starts and ends with the fact that they said they would be fully launching the game around now. They were told how unrealistic that was. They actually went and mocked the people who told them this. To date:
They have not launched... they haven't had their 3 month Headstart... they haven't had Beta 2... They haven't had Beta 1... They haven't had Alpha 2... They haven't had Alpha 1... They haven't had the Prologue They haven't had the Kingdoms Game They haven't had the Mud They haven't actually done ANY of that which was all supposed to be done
They HAVE sold things Sold more things Decided to find new ways to sell the same things Announced they will sell more things Promised to allow people to buy DLC for the Prologue This all ties into the OP because they wouldn't need such crazy monetization if they had been launching now. Because their timeline more than doubled they need to find the cash to fund it.
Like I said... guy wants to talk down to his customers and brag about his Gantt charts... great. But if you're gonna talk the talk you better walk the walk. Maybe if more people actually held companies accountable for delivering on their promises this industry wouldn't be in such shitty shape.
Edit it to add: What have they actually done that would merit giving them the benefit of the doubt in the context of the above list?
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Your lack of professionalism and communication skills hurt your game more than trolls you try to battle.
These guys are all over the map with what they want to do. Some mud that evolved into a voxel game or something like that. Seeing and working with the state that SpatialOS is in and having used UE4 for a long time now. I know both are constantly changing and unless they locked them selfs down to some older version of UE4 (SpatialOS only supports upto version 4.16.3 atm and then chances between the last 3 major versions of SpatialOS has been massive and required rewriting alot of code anyone useing the UE4 intergration would have had to do. I can't imagine ANY major UE4 game using SpatialOS atm. The general sense is that its UE4 support is WAY to early atm. It is why they are saying UE4 support is only in Beta and Expermental support at best atm.
Now if they where working in Unity then I would say 2018 is possible. But its looking more like 2018 / 2019 before UE4 + SpatialOS is in a happy place to be able to even attempt any sort of real game development with them both.
Now I guess it could be possible they are writing there own server side in C++ from the ground up without using UE4 on the server side. But if that is indeed the case then your looking at YEARS of development and it would negate UE4 to just being a front end client. I guess that is possible but seeing some of the questions they ask on the SpatialOS forums and in discord I highly doubt it because there questions / stuff they ask if fairly basic and easily answered by people that KNOW UE4 and know the workings of SpatialOS.
*Grabs his popcorn* But what I can say is that its YEARS before you will get the game they sold on kickstarter. I would NOT be suprised if this voxel game or whatever side project does not turn out to be the final product you guys get. It seems way more within there wheel house of things they can pull off given the staff they have working with them atm.
iirc, that is exactly what they intend to do and why they push mud version forward since I believe they said they do have at least partially developed backend.
From technical stand point, their development plan does not seem unreasonable, although using this much middleware can turn out very tricky...
1) I believe the game is a hoax, in that it's bogus and not going to resemble the final product whatsoever. How did I come to that conclusion? Around three years of development with very little to show for it. Their pre-alpha videos are mediocre at best. Compare to other MMO's (Kickstarter or not) and you'll probably come to the same conclusions as me.
2) They cannot keep up with very simple deadlines, very evident from the get-go. They repeatedly make up garbage backstories for these "tribes". And apparently they have used Caspian's Psychology degree/major from whatever college he graduated from to keep these guys focused on the backstory and get them to make somewhat of a cult around each and every tribe. Result? Just endless forum threads about such and such "Tribe". It was all they had 6 months ago when I chose to leave, and astonishingly, the same holds true even for today. On one hand, props for the getting all the bone-heads focused on something other the lack of development of the game, on the other hand, they know time marches on.
In fact, the missing of deadline has even gotten to the point where they would delay these simple to create and publish back stories, which are nothing but 4/5 paragraphs of text, with little extra in terms of pictures. So, basically, they can't even bother to write up paragraphs every other month on time. And their community members have picked up on that.
3) They seem to be on the border of lying to the community in terms of their expected goals and their ongoing funding issue. I've heard of the troubles they've had trying to find an investor or collective group of them. If you consider the fact that this game promises too much with very little budget and very little time, you'll probably wonder if this entire company and game is just a ploy.
4) They are making some type of minecraft rip-off as a way to decide something about land ownership in the game? How do they have time to develop that minecraft wannabe game with so little time on their hands?
5) This forum is probably biased in it's own sense, but when I first saw this website get bashed in the CoE forums, I wondered what was the reason everyone on the CoE forum had their panties in a bundle. And to be frank, I can see why: you guys are just blunt and reasoning things out.
Caspian seemed to snap at the guy who asked whether Caspians original 2017 release date for the game was remotely feasible, saying what proof did that guy have for doubting Caspian in the first place. And ta-da, guess that guy was right, projected release date was pushed back out of 2017. Why do I mention this? Because his response to a paying customer was so unprofessional and biased that when I read about it on this forum, I was sort of disgusted.
Let's just be honest, if I spent anywhere from $60-$10,000+ I wouldn't want to be reading this website, because some of points brought up make a lot of sense. Such as the fact the game resembles and utilizes P2W elements, and has very underhanded ways of generating revenue. Not to mention I'd be constantly let down for all of the reasons above and all of the reasons mentioned on the CoE part of this forum.
Maybe that's why people have been refunding their titles and packages.
Very first post I've made on here. I had left the community for around 6 months while finishing college. Came back to see they hadn't had any progress whatsoever.
Nice to meet you all =]
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I'm not sure I agree with Slapshot when he says he thinks the CoE team were merely incompetent in estimating their original timeline. There was already ample evidence in the landscape to clue them in that their original timeline was completely unrealistic. It's just much harder to sell a pledge on the idea of "you won't see the results for years."
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Could you point us to any poll on your forum where thousands of people asked to buy more things from the cash shop?
I am so sick and tired of game devs coming here and spewing this line of bull to justify having p2w in cash shops.
You devs today spend way too much time listening to the small group of fanatics on your official site who praise you and not enough time listening to your critics. Sadly, your time is coming. You dont start selling the farm like this if you are cash heavy.
"Something great and successful" .. I'm not sure if you are serious when Caspian himself just realized that his 2017 release was completely unrealistic bullshit and most likely he will delay the release by 2-5 more years when the time comes.
And during that time he will live on the donations because that makes him "great and successful".
I have to say, it is quite the honor to meet you. And you're right, the fun has only just commenced.
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.
"I've been on these (toxic) forums for years but never posted and I saw your (toxic) post so I just HAAAAAAD to come out of the woodwork to post a (toxic) post for my absoluter 1st (toxic) post about your (toxic) post because I have nothing better to do even though I've been here for years........"
I asked Serpentius to deactivate it via Discord.
I didn't want to be there when the disappointment cavalry hits hard, it'd be too much material for me to work with. Though I've started to glance at their forums again as of last week, and I think the sobering epiphany will come in the next several months for their community. Not even being spiteful; just an honest opinion based on their work ethic and track record.
That's no reason to cut them any slack, in my opinion. Quite the opposite. They're coming to gamers because they know gamers will make an emotional purchase instead of a calculated one. They know they can stoke the flames of that emotional attachment to continually fleece the same backers for repeated cash injections. I think most want genuinely want to create a fun game. I just also think that most (yes, even you, Chris Roberts) are in over their heads. That hasn't stopped some of them from revising deadline after deadline and blowing those those same deadlines repeatedly, all the while not batting one eyelash at the fact that they're raking in cash based on those deadlines and the hype they can create among their mini-communities.
I agree Slapshot passionately dislikes this game's development team. But, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I don't see any realistic way the team really believed they could achieve the goals they set and advertised to garner funds in the timeframe they set to, again, garner funds. If they're facing such passionate backlash from cynical types such as Slapshot, they have nobody but themselves to blame. Personal responsibility, and all that.
If you read Orangeboy's posts on the forum you would know that he was far from a troll. Even those he differed from seemed to respect him. He was well known in the community.
This victim mentality is just sad
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"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
There are a couple of things wrong with your comment.
1) No one has the capacity to "destroy" CoE from just giving their opinion. The only ones who can destroy their own company are those who run it.
2) If you believe giving criticism or your own foresight of a game is trolling, then you'd have to take it up with Caspian himself, since he told me he quite enjoys my posts on CoE's own official Discord. Not only did he say he enjoys them, he said he hoped I never stopped posting on their forums. His words, not mine.
3) You cannot lump me with other people who have nothing to do with me, everything I say is from me alone.
4) How much did you put in the game? I know denial is a strong emotion, but the first step to getting over a MMO KS gone bad is by admitting you dun' fucked up.
Take everything with a light heart, do you think anyone has the time/energy to "destroy" someone's game? The person leading the project is already doing that, I'm just here giving credit where credit is due.
I mean... the discussion starts and ends with the fact that they said they would be fully launching the game around now. They were told how unrealistic that was. They actually went and mocked the people who told them this. To date:
They have not launched...
they haven't had their 3 month Headstart...
they haven't had Beta 2...
They haven't had Beta 1...
They haven't had Alpha 2...
They haven't had Alpha 1...
They haven't had the Prologue
They haven't had the Kingdoms Game
They haven't had the Mud
They haven't actually done ANY of that which was all supposed to be done
They HAVE sold things
Sold more things
Decided to find new ways to sell the same things
Announced they will sell more things
Promised to allow people to buy DLC for the Prologue
This all ties into the OP because they wouldn't need such crazy monetization if they had been launching now. Because their timeline more than doubled they need to find the cash to fund it.
Like I said... guy wants to talk down to his customers and brag about his Gantt charts... great. But if you're gonna talk the talk you better walk the walk. Maybe if more people actually held companies accountable for delivering on their promises this industry wouldn't be in such shitty shape.
Edit it to add: What have they actually done that would merit giving them the benefit of the doubt in the context of the above list?
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018