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Feeling the LOVE for classic World of Warcraft. A thread about LOVE.

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Nilden said:
    "you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy"


    I don't know if I have ever seen a better example of pot meet kettle in all of recorded history.
    no idea what that means.

    Never the less it appears what you are suggesting is that because I am actually a software developer but I dont work at blizzard then I dont know what I am talking about but you do.

    lol...hysterical 
    Kyleran

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  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,273
    Come on guys this was meant to be a happy thread, feeling the love. Having let the idea a old version of WoW will be fabulous without question go by, we start an argument on how easy it will be to implement it. :)


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  • OrinoriOrinori Member RarePosts: 751
    Those vids bring back old memories of cigars, rum, doing all nighters and skipping work. Fun times. 
  • Flyte27Flyte27 Member RarePosts: 4,574
    I did have a lot of fun in Classic WoW.  It was the first MMO I felt able to do dungeons.  Like EQ and UO it was exciting at the start when you saw all the people running around, interacting, and competing.  The major downside is that I know every area and dungeon fairly well.  It would still be fun to revisit the game like I do with other old single player games.  It's fun to see the places you spent a lot of time in again.  I've done the same with EQ.  It wasn't as good without all the people to populate it and bring it to life though.  Hopefully, a lot of people will play on the server which will make it feel more alive.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    It seems like a slick move by blizzard. I only played on vanilla servers I think. Game was well polished and fun to play, but I'm not a fan of grinding for gear just to keep doing it again. I never had time to raid or anything. I did one raid and hated it. 

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited November 2017
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
    lets recap.

    ME: a software developer with some knowledge about what he is saying
    YOU: not a software developer with zero knowledge about what he is saying.

    and you are more correct then I am because of...?

    You are very good at illustrating how I am not a game developer working on the Billzard team but you forget that you are not either.

    its likely not a huge mega project like you think it is. I dont know this for sure but from what I do know about software development is that it should not be a big deal. You on the other hand are basing your view off of what exactly?
    KyleranMrMelGibson

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
    lets recap.

    ME: a software developer with some knowledge about what he is saying
    YOU: not a software developer with zero knowledge about what he is saying.

    and you are more correct then I am because of...?

    You are very good at illustrating how I am not a game developer working on the Billzard team but you forget that you are not either.

    I believe I said I wasn't a developer.

    So you, a software developer, is more knowledgeable bout how they do things at blizzard and think they just have to go into the archives, take out a copy and get it running?

    Well then why the heck are you not telling them that? Seriously, they are going to spend all this time working on some classic version when all they have to do is hit install?

    Additionally, you are also saying that a game that was created umpteen years ago will work flawlessly on modern systems? I'm not being accusatory or sarcastic with that, that's a serious question.

    Because I have a host of old games that just don't work on my modern rig. So I imagine that with all the developments in hardware and software that some changes are going to have to be made. And also the game needs to work with their billing software and store and whatever else they have going on in the back end.
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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited November 2017
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
    lets recap.

    ME: a software developer with some knowledge about what he is saying
    YOU: not a software developer with zero knowledge about what he is saying.

    and you are more correct then I am because of...?

    You are very good at illustrating how I am not a game developer working on the Billzard team but you forget that you are not either.

    I believe I said I wasn't a developer.

    So you, a software developer, is more knowledgeable bout how they do things at blizzard and think they just have to go into the archives, take out a copy and get it running?

    Well then why the heck are you not telling them that? Seriously, they are going to spend all this time working on some classic version when all they have to do is hit install?

    Additionally, you are also saying that a game that was created umpteen years ago will work flawlessly on modern systems? I'm not being accusatory or sarcastic with that, that's a serious question.

    Because I have a host of old games that just don't work on my modern rig. So I imagine that with all the developments in hardware and software that some changes are going to have to be made. And also the game needs to work with their billing software and store and whatever else they have going on in the back end.
    who said it was going to take thousands of hours to do? did Blizzard say that? if not they I would assume they would know something that pretty much the entire software industry already knows.

    where did YOU get the idea that this would be a re-write massive project? because that doesnt even remotely make any sense.

    and regarding the backend, its not hard to go backward, seriously. its not, they just need someone to build the enviroment and that doesnt take thousands of hours to do.

    as much as it pains you, contemplate that I might be more right then wrong on this
    KyleranMrMelGibson

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  • RexKushmanRexKushman Member RarePosts: 639
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
    lets recap.

    ME: a software developer with some knowledge about what he is saying
    YOU: not a software developer with zero knowledge about what he is saying.

    and you are more correct then I am because of...?

    You are very good at illustrating how I am not a game developer working on the Billzard team but you forget that you are not either.

    its likely not a huge mega project like you think it is. I dont know this for sure but from what I do know about software development is that it should not be a big deal. You on the other hand are basing your view off of what exactly?
    Do you actually think anyone believes that you're a software developer, seriously? Of all the trolling you've been doing lately this is the peak.

    Not once have you ever come across as someone with more than a rudimentary understanding of development. But hey, keep piling on the manure.  
    FrankVLucasMrMelGibsonBranko2307BeansnBread

  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916

    MrMelGibson

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
    lets recap.

    ME: a software developer with some knowledge about what he is saying
    YOU: not a software developer with zero knowledge about what he is saying.

    and you are more correct then I am because of...?

    You are very good at illustrating how I am not a game developer working on the Billzard team but you forget that you are not either.

    its likely not a huge mega project like you think it is. I dont know this for sure but from what I do know about software development is that it should not be a big deal. You on the other hand are basing your view off of what exactly?
    Do you actually think anyone believes that you're a software developer, seriously? Of all the trolling you've been doing lately this is the peak.

    Not once have you ever come across as someone with more than a rudimentary understanding of development. But hey, keep piling on the manure.  
    I dont care if people 'believe' it or not. I am not going to not refer to my proffesion when someone implies that the old code would have to be completely re-written because that is fucking stupid.

    KyleranMrMelGibson

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  • RexKushmanRexKushman Member RarePosts: 639
    SEANMCAD said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
    lets recap.

    ME: a software developer with some knowledge about what he is saying
    YOU: not a software developer with zero knowledge about what he is saying.

    and you are more correct then I am because of...?

    You are very good at illustrating how I am not a game developer working on the Billzard team but you forget that you are not either.

    its likely not a huge mega project like you think it is. I dont know this for sure but from what I do know about software development is that it should not be a big deal. You on the other hand are basing your view off of what exactly?
    Do you actually think anyone believes that you're a software developer, seriously? Of all the trolling you've been doing lately this is the peak.

    Not once have you ever come across as someone with more than a rudimentary understanding of development. But hey, keep piling on the manure.  
    I dont care if people 'believe' it or not. I am not going to not refer to my proffesion when someone implies that the old code would have to be completely re-written because that is fucking stupid.

    Thanks for proving my point.

  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775

    I dont care if people 'believe' it or not. I am not going to not refer to my proffesion when someone implies that the old code would have to be completely re-written because that is fucking stupid.

    Thanks for proving my point.
    your point (whatever it was) is not relevant.

    If you want to believe that they do not store old versions of the games (with the fucking 'patches') and that they can not spin it up into an enviroment with nearly no change at all then you believe whatever fantasy you want to and continue to have discussions about something that is completely horseshit.

    I just wanted to let you guys know

    Kyleran

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    Please do not respond to me

  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Nilden said:

    what is that?

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Nilden said:

    I cant believe you guys actually play this game. 

    anyway. I need to think of some thread to start 
    Kyleran

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  • Flyte27Flyte27 Member RarePosts: 4,574
    edited November 2017
    I always enjoyed the Night Elf starting area, Duskwood, Stranglethorn Vale, Tanaris, Un'goro Crater Felwood, and Winterspring.  I believe that was my general path.  I visited all the areas and all were pretty good, but I thought these zones had a lot of character and quests.  The good thing about this game is there are some underwater quests in classic.  You either need water breathing potions or a spell to complete them.  As far as dungeons go Wailing Caverns, Temple of Atal'Hakkar, and Scholomance are some of my favorites.  The horde actually had better dungeons IMO.  The Alliance had better outside areas.
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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
    lets recap.

    ME: a software developer with some knowledge about what he is saying
    YOU: not a software developer with zero knowledge about what he is saying.

    and you are more correct then I am because of...?

    You are very good at illustrating how I am not a game developer working on the Billzard team but you forget that you are not either.

    I believe I said I wasn't a developer.

    So you, a software developer, is more knowledgeable bout how they do things at blizzard and think they just have to go into the archives, take out a copy and get it running?

    Well then why the heck are you not telling them that? Seriously, they are going to spend all this time working on some classic version when all they have to do is hit install?

    Additionally, you are also saying that a game that was created umpteen years ago will work flawlessly on modern systems? I'm not being accusatory or sarcastic with that, that's a serious question.

    Because I have a host of old games that just don't work on my modern rig. So I imagine that with all the developments in hardware and software that some changes are going to have to be made. And also the game needs to work with their billing software and store and whatever else they have going on in the back end.
    who said it was going to take thousands of hours to do? did Blizzard say that? if not they I would assume they would know something that pretty much the entire software industry already knows.

    where did YOU get the idea that this would be a re-write massive project? because that doesnt even remotely make any sense.

    and regarding the backend, its not hard to go backward, seriously. its not, they just need someone to build the enviroment and that doesnt take thousands of hours to do.

    as much as it pains you, contemplate that I might be more right then wrong on this
    You see, this is where you go wrong.

    I appreciate you try to go beyond the post but you always end up way off.

    In no way do I think this is a massive reworking of the game nor do I have any reason to believe it will take thousands of hours.

    However, It's not as easy for them to go to the place where they store it, install and they are open for business. that's was their whole stance to begin with, it will take more than just throwing it up there.
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    Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w


    Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547

    Try the "Special Edition." 'Cause it's "Special." https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64878/?tab=description

    Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo 
  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    edited November 2017
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
    lets recap.

    ME: a software developer with some knowledge about what he is saying
    YOU: not a software developer with zero knowledge about what he is saying.

    and you are more correct then I am because of...?

    You are very good at illustrating how I am not a game developer working on the Billzard team but you forget that you are not either.

    I believe I said I wasn't a developer.

    So you, a software developer, is more knowledgeable bout how they do things at blizzard and think they just have to go into the archives, take out a copy and get it running?

    Well then why the heck are you not telling them that? Seriously, they are going to spend all this time working on some classic version when all they have to do is hit install?

    Additionally, you are also saying that a game that was created umpteen years ago will work flawlessly on modern systems? I'm not being accusatory or sarcastic with that, that's a serious question.

    Because I have a host of old games that just don't work on my modern rig. So I imagine that with all the developments in hardware and software that some changes are going to have to be made. And also the game needs to work with their billing software and store and whatever else they have going on in the back end.
    who said it was going to take thousands of hours to do? did Blizzard say that? if not they I would assume they would know something that pretty much the entire software industry already knows.

    where did YOU get the idea that this would be a re-write massive project? because that doesnt even remotely make any sense.

    and regarding the backend, its not hard to go backward, seriously. its not, they just need someone to build the enviroment and that doesnt take thousands of hours to do.

    as much as it pains you, contemplate that I might be more right then wrong on this
    You see, this is where you go wrong.

    I appreciate you try to go beyond the post but you always end up way off.

    In no way do I think this is a massive reworking of the game nor do I have any reason to believe it will take thousands of hours.

    However, It's not as easy for them to go to the place where they store it, install and they are open for business. that's was their whole stance to begin with, it will take more than just throwing it up there.
    really? and why is that, do tell.

    and where do they store it?

    and if your not going to go get the code and your not going to re-write it then where does it come from?

    you tell me how its done..I am all ears
    Kyleran

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  • WalkinGlennWalkinGlenn Member RarePosts: 451
    SEANMCAD said: 
    Nilden said:

    I cant believe you guys actually play this game. 

    anyway. I need to think of some thread to start 
     Bet if it got ported to that craptastic gimmick VR crap you would jump right on it.
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:
    Sovrath said:
    SEANMCAD said:

    no...they would not have to do that. To be fair they would have to upgrade the graphics assets IF that is what they actually are planning on doing

    you guys really have no idea but thats fine whatever makes you happy
    Because you are a developer who works with online games, have worked extensively with network code and the problems/challenges that a company has to make sure their game works flawlessly in today's online environment.

    As opposed to some gamerz who get an old version up and running but don't have a company goal of high quality and standards.

    However, Scot is right, this is a feel the love thread.

    I for one will actually try the classic servers when they come out and I'm actually excited to see what they do with the game.
    lets recap.

    ME: a software developer with some knowledge about what he is saying
    YOU: not a software developer with zero knowledge about what he is saying.

    and you are more correct then I am because of...?

    You are very good at illustrating how I am not a game developer working on the Billzard team but you forget that you are not either.

    I believe I said I wasn't a developer.

    So you, a software developer, is more knowledgeable bout how they do things at blizzard and think they just have to go into the archives, take out a copy and get it running?

    Well then why the heck are you not telling them that? Seriously, they are going to spend all this time working on some classic version when all they have to do is hit install?

    Additionally, you are also saying that a game that was created umpteen years ago will work flawlessly on modern systems? I'm not being accusatory or sarcastic with that, that's a serious question.

    Because I have a host of old games that just don't work on my modern rig. So I imagine that with all the developments in hardware and software that some changes are going to have to be made. And also the game needs to work with their billing software and store and whatever else they have going on in the back end.
    who said it was going to take thousands of hours to do? did Blizzard say that? if not they I would assume they would know something that pretty much the entire software industry already knows.

    where did YOU get the idea that this would be a re-write massive project? because that doesnt even remotely make any sense.

    and regarding the backend, its not hard to go backward, seriously. its not, they just need someone to build the enviroment and that doesnt take thousands of hours to do.

    as much as it pains you, contemplate that I might be more right then wrong on this
    You see, this is where you go wrong.

    I appreciate you try to go beyond the post but you always end up way off.

    In no way do I think this is a massive reworking of the game nor do I have any reason to believe it will take thousands of hours.

    However, It's not as easy for them to go to the place where they store it, install and they are open for business. that's was their whole stance to begin with, it will take more than just throwing it up there.
    really? and why is that, do tell.

    and where do they store it?

    and if your not going to go get the code and your not going to re-write it then where does it come from?
    Like I said Sean, go to Blizzard Headquarters and explain to them how they can just get this up and running lickety split. Because clearly they aren't moving fast enough. Glad you are on the job.
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    Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w


    Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547

    Try the "Special Edition." 'Cause it's "Special." https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64878/?tab=description

    Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo 
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