I've been saying this for years, without regulation online gaming is nothing more than organized crime. Billions used to fund terrorists and criminal empires are easily laundered through online gaming as it stands. Many game studios are criminals themselves selling game concepts that will never come to fruition or become unsupported within weeks of release sometimes.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
Funny... shows like Shameless leave me with a different take. I have never seen so much sex on TV as there is now. Pretty crazy compared to what I grew up with in the 60's and 70's.
I think one of the reasons AAA developers tone things down a couple notches from games like GTAV is to keep the ERSB ratings down. Which tells me that kids are still very much the targeted audience for the majority of these games.
Shows like Shameless, Outlander, GoT, TWD - I don't watch any of that. I find the brutality, explicit sex, and the detail into depravity to be horrifying. I just can't take it. Some video games are like but most aren't.
I think a lot of developers tone things down because grown ups with money won't buy them for ourselves or kids. It's one thing to have some shows on Hulu or Amazon that are too much to take. I can flip over to something more my speed (IT Crowd, Poirot, Midsommer, Tin Tin, whatever) and not be out anything.
With a game it's all or nothing. I didn't by new DOOM until a few months ago because they advertised the gore so much and I'm not interested in that. I got it on a sale at the recommendation of the friend and while there is gore it's nowhere near how it was advertised. I've skipped several cool Action RPG games because they focus on gore and brutality.
There are plenty of sexually and violently explicit games on Steam. They don't see as broadly or as well not because of some ESRB rating (who looks at those?) but because they're not as appealing. If it was all ESRB then TW 3 wouldn't be the rock star success that propelled CD Projekt Red to its status.
They are probably targeting kids, but they really targeting a larger paying demographic.
I think you must have hated the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s if you were around. It was pretty hard for me to avoid violence when I was growing up. The macho culture was being pushed full swing at the time. Of course, you can watch what you want and play the games that you want, but having grown up in those time periods I can say that most people seemed to like violent movies and other things. I often like to watch such things just because it's different than normal and as such provokes some emotions. I often find it so over the top it is funny instead of horrifying like the babysitter movie on Netflix. In fact, that was the intention. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
Funny... shows like Shameless leave me with a different take. I have never seen so much sex on TV as there is now. Pretty crazy compared to what I grew up with in the 60's and 70's.
I think one of the reasons AAA developers tone things down a couple notches from games like GTAV is to keep the ERSB ratings down. Which tells me that kids are still very much the targeted audience for the majority of these games.
Shows like Shameless, Outlander, GoT, TWD - I don't watch any of that. I find the brutality, explicit sex, and the detail into depravity to be horrifying. I just can't take it. Some video games are like but most aren't.
I think a lot of developers tone things down because grown ups with money won't buy them for ourselves or kids. It's one thing to have some shows on Hulu or Amazon that are too much to take. I can flip over to something more my speed (IT Crowd, Poirot, Midsommer, Tin Tin, whatever) and not be out anything.
With a game it's all or nothing. I didn't by new DOOM until a few months ago because they advertised the gore so much and I'm not interested in that. I got it on a sale at the recommendation of the friend and while there is gore it's nowhere near how it was advertised. I've skipped several cool Action RPG games because they focus on gore and brutality.
There are plenty of sexually and violently explicit games on Steam. They don't see as broadly or as well not because of some ESRB rating (who looks at those?) but because they're not as appealing. If it was all ESRB then TW 3 wouldn't be the rock star success that propelled CD Projekt Red to its status.
They are probably targeting kids, but they really targeting a larger paying demographic.
I think you must have hated the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s if you were around. It was pretty hard for me to avoid violence when I was growing up. The macho culture was being pushed full swing at the time. Of course, you can watch what you want and play the games that you want, but having grown up in those time periods I can say that most people seemed to like violent movies and other things. I often like to watch such things just because it's different than normal and as such provokes some emotions. I often find it so over the top it is funny instead of horrifying like the babysitter movie on Netflix. In fact, that was the intention. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
For me, it's all about the story.
The 60's and 70's for me was sword fights, cops n robbers and tree forts. My tv favorite was the bugs bunny road runner hour.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
Not going to disagree with what you said as I tend to agree with you, but if you are going to post an image to prove something then make sure you post one that is somewhat correct. Using something that was as wrong as that map was doesn't help your argument at all.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
It is a reflection of our society today that GTA gets more complaints about seeing girls asses than the amount of killing that occurs. Political correctness obeys the laws of fashion, what is it fashionable to complain about today?
I think as you or another poster mentioned they don't watch these movies in the first place, but they sure have an opinion on them. Not seen The Babysitter, but I won't hand you down someone else's opinion about it.
We do need censorship, I would certainly not want everything from those Asian games coming to the west. But we need to think about why censorship occurs and what we are censoring.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
Funny... shows like Shameless leave me with a different take. I have never seen so much sex on TV as there is now. Pretty crazy compared to what I grew up with in the 60's and 70's.
I think one of the reasons AAA developers tone things down a couple notches from games like GTAV is to keep the ERSB ratings down. Which tells me that kids are still very much the targeted audience for the majority of these games.
Shows like Shameless, Outlander, GoT, TWD - I don't watch any of that. I find the brutality, explicit sex, and the detail into depravity to be horrifying. I just can't take it. Some video games are like but most aren't.
I think a lot of developers tone things down because grown ups with money won't buy them for ourselves or kids. It's one thing to have some shows on Hulu or Amazon that are too much to take. I can flip over to something more my speed (IT Crowd, Poirot, Midsommer, Tin Tin, whatever) and not be out anything.
With a game it's all or nothing. I didn't by new DOOM until a few months ago because they advertised the gore so much and I'm not interested in that. I got it on a sale at the recommendation of the friend and while there is gore it's nowhere near how it was advertised. I've skipped several cool Action RPG games because they focus on gore and brutality.
There are plenty of sexually and violently explicit games on Steam. They don't see as broadly or as well not because of some ESRB rating (who looks at those?) but because they're not as appealing. If it was all ESRB then TW 3 wouldn't be the rock star success that propelled CD Projekt Red to its status.
They are probably targeting kids, but they really targeting a larger paying demographic.
I think you must have hated the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s if you were around. It was pretty hard for me to avoid violence when I was growing up. The macho culture was being pushed full swing at the time. Of course, you can watch what you want and play the games that you want, but having grown up in those time periods I can say that most people seemed to like violent movies and other things. I often like to watch such things just because it's different than normal and as such provokes some emotions. I often find it so over the top it is funny instead of horrifying like the babysitter movie on Netflix. In fact, that was the intention. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
wait you are basically comparing the violence in Rockford Files to the violence of Vikings (tv show)?
The lengths people go to is actually hysterical. its like 'there is a war on Christmas!' but ts violence and people IMMEDIATELY go to silly extremes to defend it as if people asking for just more variety is asking people to have their previous violence fix taken away from them.
calm down there isnt a 'war against violence' some people are just asking for more variety is all, you dont have to pull the 'oh there was more violence in media in the 70s it was terrible!' card.
I give it 3 posts before someone compares the violence in Vikings to that of a cartoon character getting smashed in the head...just wait...its coming
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I'm not going to sit here and debate if the map is 100% accurate because that's really splitting hairs. The point is, consider things like prostitution, gambling, and other highly regulated government industries. The limitations are many and heavy.
All it would take is some "Mother's Against Video Game Addiction" organization with some anecdotal tear jerker story and the idea of government doing things like saying "Games have to come with limitations that cap the usage of an account to two hours per day" really isn't that far fetched.
When most of this country still allows people to be prosecuted for marijuana usage "for their own good" and it's only recently people of the same sex have been allowed to marry because their relationships "offend people", the last thing we want is to set a precedent that government is allowed to start moderating games to a degree of dictating how they monetize their content etc.
The nanny state is real, and we need to be taking power from it, not giving it more.
true that..
all this talk about regulating video games it should be reminded that most people outside of the gaming world would love to regulate violence and amount of time used.
So trying to be a justice warrior about how a kickstarter funds it money on its murder simulator is walking on thin ice if you ask me
So far they have managed to take sex and humor out of games without instituting and legal rules. All they needed was social media and pure pressure (basically bullying and shaming).
really?
they took out sex and humor out of video games you suggest?
Pretty much IMO. Its also gone from movies mostly.
For instance look at the movie the babysitter on Netflix. This is an immature movie that makes fun of stereotypes, but that is the point. If you look at reviews they are mixed, but a lot are bashing the movie for its immaturity, but the whole point of the movie is to be immature in a fun way. The big question is why did these people watch the movie in the first place.
Another interesting thing is that games like Grand Theft Auto 5 are widely popular and made a lot of money, but hardly any companies make games with that type of content. It is a game that pokes fun at stereotypes and has things like strip joints. For some odd reason even though it is profitable most companies won't include content like this in their games for fear of backlash from SJW on social media. This is also why a lot of Asian games are censored when they come to America.
Funny... shows like Shameless leave me with a different take. I have never seen so much sex on TV as there is now. Pretty crazy compared to what I grew up with in the 60's and 70's.
I think one of the reasons AAA developers tone things down a couple notches from games like GTAV is to keep the ERSB ratings down. Which tells me that kids are still very much the targeted audience for the majority of these games.
Shows like Shameless, Outlander, GoT, TWD - I don't watch any of that. I find the brutality, explicit sex, and the detail into depravity to be horrifying. I just can't take it. Some video games are like but most aren't.
I think a lot of developers tone things down because grown ups with money won't buy them for ourselves or kids. It's one thing to have some shows on Hulu or Amazon that are too much to take. I can flip over to something more my speed (IT Crowd, Poirot, Midsommer, Tin Tin, whatever) and not be out anything.
With a game it's all or nothing. I didn't by new DOOM until a few months ago because they advertised the gore so much and I'm not interested in that. I got it on a sale at the recommendation of the friend and while there is gore it's nowhere near how it was advertised. I've skipped several cool Action RPG games because they focus on gore and brutality.
There are plenty of sexually and violently explicit games on Steam. They don't see as broadly or as well not because of some ESRB rating (who looks at those?) but because they're not as appealing. If it was all ESRB then TW 3 wouldn't be the rock star success that propelled CD Projekt Red to its status.
They are probably targeting kids, but they really targeting a larger paying demographic.
I think you must have hated the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s if you were around. It was pretty hard for me to avoid violence when I was growing up. The macho culture was being pushed full swing at the time. Of course, you can watch what you want and play the games that you want, but having grown up in those time periods I can say that most people seemed to like violent movies and other things. I often like to watch such things just because it's different than normal and as such provokes some emotions. I often find it so over the top it is funny instead of horrifying like the babysitter movie on Netflix. In fact, that was the intention. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
wait you are basically comparing the violence in Rockford Files to the violence of Vikings (tv show)?
The lengths people go to is actually hysterical. its like 'there is a war on Christmas!' but ts violence and people IMMEDIATELY go to silly extremes to defend it as if people asking for just more variety is asking people to have their previous violence fix taken away from them.
calm down there isnt a 'war against violence' some people are just asking for more variety is all, you dont have to pull the 'oh there was more violence in media in the 70s it was terrible!' card.
I give it 3 posts before someone compares the violence in Vikings to that of a cartoon character getting smashed in the head...just wait...its coming
That is kind of a weird analogy. There are lots of violent TV shows and movie from the 60s, 70s, and 80s especially, but you can even find them in older movies. You just picked two random shows out of a hat.
That is kind of a weird analogy. There are lots of violent TV shows and movie from the 60s, 70s, and 80s especially, but you can even find them in older movies. You just picked two random shows out of a hat.
how bad does a persons position have to be to try and make the suggestion that violence on TV today is similar to that of the 70s?
I grew up in the 70s, Rockford Files was about as violent as it got. No where remotely close to something like The History Channels Vikings just as one simple example.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
That is kind of a weird analogy. There are lots of violent TV shows and movie from the 60s, 70s, and 80s especially, but you can even find them in older movies. You just picked two random shows out of a hat.
how bad does a persons position have to be to try and make the suggestion that violence on TV today is similar to that of the 70s?
I grew up in the 70s, Rockford Files was about as violent as it got. No where remotely close to something like The History Channels Vikings just as one simple example.
Fair enough. If you google movies from the 70s though there are a lot of things like The Godfather, Jaws, A Clockwork Orange, The French Connection, The Exorcist, Halloween, Rocky, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc. I think there are actually far more violent movies and sexually explicit movies than those, but that is what I see when googled. I've come across some cult movies that were worse. I know I've seen some fairly violent movies from all time periods. I'll concede standard TV shows didn't seem to be as violent.
My point here is growing up in the 80s and 90s I was able to watch a lot of action and horror flicks that were over the top and silly. Ones geared a lot towards males of that time period. Many would probably be considered B movies or cult classics. I also enjoyed these types of movies from the time periods before that even though I wasn't born until 1977. I just thought they were silly fun. A movie that comes to mind is Clash of the Titans. One from my time would be Big Trouble in Little China. It just seems people are so obsessed with maturity and intelligence in this day and age that they aren't able to have any real fun. Perhaps that was always a problem and I just notice it more now than before.
That is kind of a weird analogy. There are lots of violent TV shows and movie from the 60s, 70s, and 80s especially, but you can even find them in older movies. You just picked two random shows out of a hat.
how bad does a persons position have to be to try and make the suggestion that violence on TV today is similar to that of the 70s?
I grew up in the 70s, Rockford Files was about as violent as it got. No where remotely close to something like The History Channels Vikings just as one simple example.
Fair enough. If you google movies from the 70s though there are a lot of things like The Godfather, Jaws, A Clockwork Orange, The French Connection, The Exorcist, Halloween, Rocky, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc. I think there are actually far more violent movies and sexually explicit movies than those, but that is what I see when googled. I've come across some cult movies that were worse. I know I've seen some fairly violent movies from all time periods. I'll concede standard TV shows didn't seem to be as violent.
My point here is growing up in the 80s and 90s I was able to watch a lot of action and horror flicks that were over the top and silly. Ones geared a lot towards males of that time period. Many would probably be considered B movies or cult classics. I also enjoyed these types of movies from the time periods before that even though I wasn't born until 1977. I just thought they were silly fun. A movie that comes to mind is Clash of the Titans. One from my time would be Big Trouble in Little China. It just seems people are so obsessed with maturity and intelligence in this day and age that they aren't able to have any real fun. Perhaps that was always a problem and I just notice it more now than before.
The Godfather is less violent the the History Channel TV show Vikings. Its likely less violent then The Sparanoes In fact, A Clockwork Orange which is less violent then Vikings was considered the most violent shocking of its time. Rocky Horror Picture show doesnt have ANY violence in it best I recall.
In fact I think the first epsoide of Hell On Wheels which is pretty standard violence is less violent then ANYTHING that came out of the 70s
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
That is kind of a weird analogy. There are lots of violent TV shows and movie from the 60s, 70s, and 80s especially, but you can even find them in older movies. You just picked two random shows out of a hat.
how bad does a persons position have to be to try and make the suggestion that violence on TV today is similar to that of the 70s?
I grew up in the 70s, Rockford Files was about as violent as it got. No where remotely close to something like The History Channels Vikings just as one simple example.
Fair enough. If you google movies from the 70s though there are a lot of things like The Godfather, Jaws, A Clockwork Orange, The French Connection, The Exorcist, Halloween, Rocky, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc. I think there are actually far more violent movies and sexually explicit movies than those, but that is what I see when googled. I've come across some cult movies that were worse. I know I've seen some fairly violent movies from all time periods. I'll concede standard TV shows didn't seem to be as violent.
My point here is growing up in the 80s and 90s I was able to watch a lot of action and horror flicks that were over the top and silly. Ones geared a lot towards males of that time period. Many would probably be considered B movies or cult classics. I also enjoyed these types of movies from the time periods before that even though I wasn't born until 1977. I just thought they were silly fun. A movie that comes to mind is Clash of the Titans. One from my time would be Big Trouble in Little China. It just seems people are so obsessed with maturity and intelligence in this day and age that they aren't able to have any real fun. Perhaps that was always a problem and I just notice it more now than before.
The Godfather is less violent the the History Channel TV show Vikings. Its likely less violent then The Sparanoes In fact, A Clockwork Orange which is less violent then Vikings was considered the most violent shocking of its time. Rocky Horror Picture show doesnt have ANY violence in it best I recall.
In fact I think the first epsoide of Hell On Wheels which is pretty standard violence is less violent then ANYTHING that came out of the 70s
I would disagree with that consensus. The Vikings are like a leftest view of what they would be like, but in fact just a fantasy. That is OK. I don't really consider it as realistic or scary as the aforementioned movies which actually drew from real life. A Clockwork Orange is a pretty screwed up movie. I'm not sure if it's more violent than Vikings, but it is a lot more twisted. That doesn't mean it's better of course. I was just pointing out that there were some sick movies. I think the movie Cannibal Holocaust was also from the 70s and so was Last House on the Left?
That is kind of a weird analogy. There are lots of violent TV shows and movie from the 60s, 70s, and 80s especially, but you can even find them in older movies. You just picked two random shows out of a hat.
how bad does a persons position have to be to try and make the suggestion that violence on TV today is similar to that of the 70s?
I grew up in the 70s, Rockford Files was about as violent as it got. No where remotely close to something like The History Channels Vikings just as one simple example.
Fair enough. If you google movies from the 70s though there are a lot of things like The Godfather, Jaws, A Clockwork Orange, The French Connection, The Exorcist, Halloween, Rocky, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc. I think there are actually far more violent movies and sexually explicit movies than those, but that is what I see when googled. I've come across some cult movies that were worse. I know I've seen some fairly violent movies from all time periods. I'll concede standard TV shows didn't seem to be as violent.
My point here is growing up in the 80s and 90s I was able to watch a lot of action and horror flicks that were over the top and silly. Ones geared a lot towards males of that time period. Many would probably be considered B movies or cult classics. I also enjoyed these types of movies from the time periods before that even though I wasn't born until 1977. I just thought they were silly fun. A movie that comes to mind is Clash of the Titans. One from my time would be Big Trouble in Little China. It just seems people are so obsessed with maturity and intelligence in this day and age that they aren't able to have any real fun. Perhaps that was always a problem and I just notice it more now than before.
The Godfather is less violent the the History Channel TV show Vikings. Its likely less violent then The Sparanoes In fact, A Clockwork Orange which is less violent then Vikings was considered the most violent shocking of its time. Rocky Horror Picture show doesnt have ANY violence in it best I recall.
In fact I think the first epsoide of Hell On Wheels which is pretty standard violence is less violent then ANYTHING that came out of the 70s
I would disagree with that consensus. The Vikings are like a leftest view of what they would be like, but in fact just a fantasy. That is OK. I don't really consider it as realistic or scary as the aforementioned movies which actually drew from real life. A Clockwork Orange is a pretty screwed up movie. I'm not sure if it's more violent than Vikings, but it is a lot more twisted. That doesn't mean it's better of course. I was just pointing out that there were some sick movies. I think the movie Cannibal Holocaust was also from the 70s and so was Last House on the Left?
no sorry the violence in The Vikings is considerably more then anything that came out of the 70s
The horse head in the bed in the 70s was considered one of the most radical images ever, today that is childs play
Have you actually seen Clockwork Orange? at the time considered one of the most violent and twisted. By todays standard its nothing, its childsplay.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
That is kind of a weird analogy. There are lots of violent TV shows and movie from the 60s, 70s, and 80s especially, but you can even find them in older movies. You just picked two random shows out of a hat.
how bad does a persons position have to be to try and make the suggestion that violence on TV today is similar to that of the 70s?
I grew up in the 70s, Rockford Files was about as violent as it got. No where remotely close to something like The History Channels Vikings just as one simple example.
Fair enough. If you google movies from the 70s though there are a lot of things like The Godfather, Jaws, A Clockwork Orange, The French Connection, The Exorcist, Halloween, Rocky, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc. I think there are actually far more violent movies and sexually explicit movies than those, but that is what I see when googled. I've come across some cult movies that were worse. I know I've seen some fairly violent movies from all time periods. I'll concede standard TV shows didn't seem to be as violent.
My point here is growing up in the 80s and 90s I was able to watch a lot of action and horror flicks that were over the top and silly. Ones geared a lot towards males of that time period. Many would probably be considered B movies or cult classics. I also enjoyed these types of movies from the time periods before that even though I wasn't born until 1977. I just thought they were silly fun. A movie that comes to mind is Clash of the Titans. One from my time would be Big Trouble in Little China. It just seems people are so obsessed with maturity and intelligence in this day and age that they aren't able to have any real fun. Perhaps that was always a problem and I just notice it more now than before.
The Godfather is less violent the the History Channel TV show Vikings. Its likely less violent then The Sparanoes In fact, A Clockwork Orange which is less violent then Vikings was considered the most violent shocking of its time. Rocky Horror Picture show doesnt have ANY violence in it best I recall.
In fact I think the first epsoide of Hell On Wheels which is pretty standard violence is less violent then ANYTHING that came out of the 70s
I would disagree with that consensus. The Vikings are like a leftest view of what they would be like, but in fact just a fantasy. That is OK. I don't really consider it as realistic or scary as the aforementioned movies which actually drew from real life. A Clockwork Orange is a pretty screwed up movie. I'm not sure if it's more violent than Vikings, but it is a lot more twisted. That doesn't mean it's better of course. I was just pointing out that there were some sick movies. I think the movie Cannibal Holocaust was also from the 70s and so was Last House on the Left?
no sorry the violence in The Vikings is considerably more then anything that came out of the 70s
The horse head in the bed in the 70s was considered one of the most radical images ever, today that is childs play
Have you actually seen Clockwork Orange? at the time considered one of the most violent and twisted. By todays standard its nothing, its childsplay.
I would have to disagree. The people in a Clockwork Orange, Cannibal Holocost, and Last House on the Left were far more imbalanced and scary people. They all contained rape scenes were fairly disturbing and explicit.
I am not so much in favor of these types of movies. What I like to see is immature movies like Clash of the Titans, Friday the 13th, Big Trouble in Little China, etc. You standard B movie fare. I feel like these types of movies are being taken out of society. Partly because of the casual tone is taken with the violence in them, but also because they cater more to one sex. If you watch the Vikings, for instance, do you think the men would really have treated the women with such respect? They act like modern day couples in many ways and it's fairly silly, but it's fantasy and they can do what they like.
A lot of B movies have been tried in recent times, but in most cases lack the things that made them fun in the first place. When they do make one with the correct formula it is criticised for being too immature, stereotypical, sexist, etc. God forbid there isn't a strong woman who fights in a modern movie. God forbid there are teenagers that act immature in a fantasy world.
That is kind of a weird analogy. There are lots of violent TV shows and movie from the 60s, 70s, and 80s especially, but you can even find them in older movies. You just picked two random shows out of a hat.
how bad does a persons position have to be to try and make the suggestion that violence on TV today is similar to that of the 70s?
I grew up in the 70s, Rockford Files was about as violent as it got. No where remotely close to something like The History Channels Vikings just as one simple example.
Fair enough. If you google movies from the 70s though there are a lot of things like The Godfather, Jaws, A Clockwork Orange, The French Connection, The Exorcist, Halloween, Rocky, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc. I think there are actually far more violent movies and sexually explicit movies than those, but that is what I see when googled. I've come across some cult movies that were worse. I know I've seen some fairly violent movies from all time periods. I'll concede standard TV shows didn't seem to be as violent.
My point here is growing up in the 80s and 90s I was able to watch a lot of action and horror flicks that were over the top and silly. Ones geared a lot towards males of that time period. Many would probably be considered B movies or cult classics. I also enjoyed these types of movies from the time periods before that even though I wasn't born until 1977. I just thought they were silly fun. A movie that comes to mind is Clash of the Titans. One from my time would be Big Trouble in Little China. It just seems people are so obsessed with maturity and intelligence in this day and age that they aren't able to have any real fun. Perhaps that was always a problem and I just notice it more now than before.
The Godfather is less violent the the History Channel TV show Vikings. Its likely less violent then The Sparanoes In fact, A Clockwork Orange which is less violent then Vikings was considered the most violent shocking of its time. Rocky Horror Picture show doesnt have ANY violence in it best I recall.
In fact I think the first epsoide of Hell On Wheels which is pretty standard violence is less violent then ANYTHING that came out of the 70s
I would disagree with that consensus. The Vikings are like a leftest view of what they would be like, but in fact just a fantasy. That is OK. I don't really consider it as realistic or scary as the aforementioned movies which actually drew from real life. A Clockwork Orange is a pretty screwed up movie. I'm not sure if it's more violent than Vikings, but it is a lot more twisted. That doesn't mean it's better of course. I was just pointing out that there were some sick movies. I think the movie Cannibal Holocaust was also from the 70s and so was Last House on the Left?
no sorry the violence in The Vikings is considerably more then anything that came out of the 70s
The horse head in the bed in the 70s was considered one of the most radical images ever, today that is childs play
Have you actually seen Clockwork Orange? at the time considered one of the most violent and twisted. By todays standard its nothing, its childsplay.
I would have to disagree. The people in a Clockwork Orange, Cannibal Holocost, and Last House on the Left were far more imbalanced and scary people. They all contained rape scenes were fairly disturbing and explicit.
I am not so much in favor of these types of movies. What I like to see is immature movies like Clash of the Titans, Friday the 13th, Big Trouble in Little China, etc. You standard B movie fare. I feel like these types of movies are being taken out of society. Partly because of the casual tone is taken with the violence in them, but also because they cater more to one sex. If you watch the Vikings, for instance, do you think the men would really have treated the women with such respect? They act like modern day couples in many ways and it's fairly silly, but it's fantasy and they can do what they like.
A lot of B movies have been tried in recent times, but in most cases lack the things that made them fun in the first place. When they do make one with the correct formula it is criticised for being too immature, stereotypical, sexist, etc. God forbid there isn't a strong woman who fights in a modern movie. God forbid there are teenagers that act immature in a fantasy world.
we are not talking about 'scary' we are talking about violence. we are not talking about psychological fear, violence is easy to measure.
I dont think Clockwork Orange (considered one of the most violent of its time) even showed blood, let alone graphic details of a man getting a sword hammered into his face or about 10 mins of a mans skin being ripped off his back.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
That is kind of a weird analogy. There are lots of violent TV shows and movie from the 60s, 70s, and 80s especially, but you can even find them in older movies. You just picked two random shows out of a hat.
how bad does a persons position have to be to try and make the suggestion that violence on TV today is similar to that of the 70s?
I grew up in the 70s, Rockford Files was about as violent as it got. No where remotely close to something like The History Channels Vikings just as one simple example.
Fair enough. If you google movies from the 70s though there are a lot of things like The Godfather, Jaws, A Clockwork Orange, The French Connection, The Exorcist, Halloween, Rocky, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, etc. I think there are actually far more violent movies and sexually explicit movies than those, but that is what I see when googled. I've come across some cult movies that were worse. I know I've seen some fairly violent movies from all time periods. I'll concede standard TV shows didn't seem to be as violent.
My point here is growing up in the 80s and 90s I was able to watch a lot of action and horror flicks that were over the top and silly. Ones geared a lot towards males of that time period. Many would probably be considered B movies or cult classics. I also enjoyed these types of movies from the time periods before that even though I wasn't born until 1977. I just thought they were silly fun. A movie that comes to mind is Clash of the Titans. One from my time would be Big Trouble in Little China. It just seems people are so obsessed with maturity and intelligence in this day and age that they aren't able to have any real fun. Perhaps that was always a problem and I just notice it more now than before.
The Godfather is less violent the the History Channel TV show Vikings. Its likely less violent then The Sparanoes In fact, A Clockwork Orange which is less violent then Vikings was considered the most violent shocking of its time. Rocky Horror Picture show doesnt have ANY violence in it best I recall.
In fact I think the first epsoide of Hell On Wheels which is pretty standard violence is less violent then ANYTHING that came out of the 70s
I would disagree with that consensus. The Vikings are like a leftest view of what they would be like, but in fact just a fantasy. That is OK. I don't really consider it as realistic or scary as the aforementioned movies which actually drew from real life. A Clockwork Orange is a pretty screwed up movie. I'm not sure if it's more violent than Vikings, but it is a lot more twisted. That doesn't mean it's better of course. I was just pointing out that there were some sick movies. I think the movie Cannibal Holocaust was also from the 70s and so was Last House on the Left?
no sorry the violence in The Vikings is considerably more then anything that came out of the 70s
The horse head in the bed in the 70s was considered one of the most radical images ever, today that is childs play
Have you actually seen Clockwork Orange? at the time considered one of the most violent and twisted. By todays standard its nothing, its childsplay.
I would have to disagree. The people in a Clockwork Orange, Cannibal Holocost, and Last House on the Left were far more imbalanced and scary people. They all contained rape scenes were fairly disturbing and explicit.
I am not so much in favor of these types of movies. What I like to see is immature movies like Clash of the Titans, Friday the 13th, Big Trouble in Little China, etc. You standard B movie fare. I feel like these types of movies are being taken out of society. Partly because of the casual tone is taken with the violence in them, but also because they cater more to one sex. If you watch the Vikings, for instance, do you think the men would really have treated the women with such respect? They act like modern day couples in many ways and it's fairly silly, but it's fantasy and they can do what they like.
A lot of B movies have been tried in recent times, but in most cases lack the things that made them fun in the first place. When they do make one with the correct formula it is criticised for being too immature, stereotypical, sexist, etc. God forbid there isn't a strong woman who fights in a modern movie. God forbid there are teenagers that act immature in a fantasy world.
we are not talking about 'scary' we are talking about violence. we are not talking about psychological fear, violence is easy to measure.
I dont think Clockwork Orange (considered one of the most violent of its time) even showed blood, let alone graphic details of a man getting a sword hammered into his face or about 10 mins of a mans skin being ripped off his back.
True, but Cannibal Holocaust and Last House on the Left did and I'm sure there are others, but sometimes it's the way the thing is done that makes it more impactful. Holloween didn't have much blood, but it was scarier than most movies today. In that instance, it was all about the suspense. In others, it's the level of depravity of the individuals and the connotation. A Clockwork Orange may have been the most widely known movie that had violence, but there were worse films. I know Cannibal Holocaust had real killing of animals.
As I said I am not fighting for violence in general. Just a certain type of silly B movies that are over the top and contain certain immature things. Blood and Gore aren't really what I'm into. I think it's funny sometimes if done in the right context. I'm thinking more of movies like Gone in 60 seconds. It may not be considered extreme blood and gore, but it's kind of like Grand Theft Auto V immature fun with some violence thrown in for thrills.
The movie that was the king of gore and violence in the 1970's was "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
It inspired a whole genre.
and it really wasnt that big of a deal by todays standard.
I am not sure which was considered most at the time but Clockwork was up there, Gore and Violent can be argued to mean two different things but regardless neither one of those movies comes remotely close to todays
BUT in the 70s there was a higher violent crime rate. now THAT is an intresting data point
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The movie that was the king of gore and violence in the 1970's was "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
It inspired a whole genre.
and it really wasnt that big of a deal by todays standard.
I am not sure which was considered most at the time but Clockwork was up there, Gore and Violent can be argued to mean two different things but regardless neither one of those movies comes remotely close to todays
BUT in the 70s there was a higher violent crime rate. now THAT is an intresting data point
The movie that was the king of gore and violence in the 1970's was "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
It inspired a whole genre.
and it really wasnt that big of a deal by todays standard.
I am not sure which was considered most at the time but Clockwork was up there, Gore and Violent can be argued to mean two different things but regardless neither one of those movies comes remotely close to todays
BUT in the 70s there was a higher violent crime rate. now THAT is an intresting data point
Must of been the Marijuana
The argument is Lead in the air but its a bit speculative but convincing too.
but one thing is for sure, bringing up the fact of higher violence then is sure shit a lot better then trying to argue that Texas Chainsaw Massacare is more violent then watching the skin being pulled off a persons back for 10 mins while they are alive
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
The movie that was the king of gore and violence in the 1970's was "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
It inspired a whole genre.
and it really wasnt that big of a deal by todays standard.
I am not sure which was considered most at the time but Clockwork was up there, Gore and Violent can be argued to mean two different things but regardless neither one of those movies comes remotely close to todays
BUT in the 70s there was a higher violent crime rate. now THAT is an intresting data point
Must of been the Marijuana
The argument is Lead in the air but its a bit speculative but convincing too.
but one thing is for sure, bringing up the fact of higher violence then is sure shit a lot better then trying to argue that Texas Chainsaw Massacare is more violent then watching the skin being pulled off a persons back for 10 mins while they are alive
I don't know... The guy with his head over the bucket while the chick is being forced to knock him in the head with a hammer still gives me the chills.
I agree with you that the TV and Movies of today are much more violent than they were in the 60's or 70's. People today including kids are much more desensitized today to sex and violence.
The only thing that I would argue that was much more violent back then than it is today is children's cartoons.
The movie that was the king of gore and violence in the 1970's was "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
It inspired a whole genre.
and it really wasnt that big of a deal by todays standard.
I am not sure which was considered most at the time but Clockwork was up there, Gore and Violent can be argued to mean two different things but regardless neither one of those movies comes remotely close to todays
BUT in the 70s there was a higher violent crime rate. now THAT is an intresting data point
Must of been the Marijuana
The argument is Lead in the air but its a bit speculative but convincing too.
but one thing is for sure, bringing up the fact of higher violence then is sure shit a lot better then trying to argue that Texas Chainsaw Massacare is more violent then watching the skin being pulled off a persons back for 10 mins while they are alive
I don't know... The guy with his head over the bucket while the chick is being forced to knock him in the head with a hammer still gives me the chills.
I agree with you that the TV and Movies of today are much more violent than they were in the 60's or 70's. People today including kids are much more desensitized today to sex and violence.
The only thing that I would argue that was much more violent back then than it is today is children's cartoons.
yes cartoons where more violent.
my position is and has always been not that violence in of itself is bad but a lack of variety is bad. EVERYTHING is violent, its really hard to get away from it. High drama and very compelling game play is posisble without violence, we should explore that.
BUT as it relates to the topic I do find it ironic for people to get hyper SJW over how a game is sold when the game is question is often 100% a murder simulator
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
incidentally when it comes to psychological violence something like Clockwork Orange is childs play compared to Beecher's time in OZ (HBO series).
If you want to make a GOOD argument try this instead.
actual violent crimes in the 70s for population was higher then it is today even though film has far more violence now
try that on, it fits a lot better
I've seen the show and it's fairly disturbing I'll admit. Still, the shows I mentioned are just as bad IMO. When I saw them in the 90s it was disturbing though interesting to me. Of course, once I got access to the internet at an early age through dial-up modem I saw some things a person of young age should never have seen and a lot of it was from.
I'm not really arguing for violent and disturbing as much as immature fun movies. To me, immature fun movies have some action, violence, perhaps a little nudity, people doing stupid immature things and acting like asses, etc. I always liked the ridiculous movies in the 90s like Gone in 60 sixty seconds, Con Air, Speed, etc. They are just examples. Then there are movies like The Howling 2, Friday the 13th part 2, Gremlins, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and many more.
incidentally when it comes to psychological violence something like Clockwork Orange is childs play compared to Beecher's time in OZ (HBO series).
If you want to make a GOOD argument try this instead.
actual violent crimes in the 70s for population was higher then it is today even though film has far more violence now
try that on, it fits a lot better
I've seen the show and it's fairly disturbing I'll admit. Still, the shows I mentioned are just as bad IMO. When I saw them in the 90s it was disturbing though interesting to me. Of course, once I got access to the internet at an early age through dial-up modem I saw some things a person of young age should never have seen and a lot of it was from.
I'm not really arguing for violent and disturbing as much as immature fun movies. To me, immature fun movies have some action, violence, perhaps a little nudity, people doing stupid immature things and acting like asses, etc. I always liked the ridiculous movies in the 90s like Gone in 60 sixty seconds, Con Air, Speed, etc. They are just examples. Then there are movies like The Howling 2, Friday the 13th part 2, Gremlins, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and many more.
you would be better served just making the point that there are more violent crimes in the 70s then today.
your barking up a tree that the vast majority of people would find completely silly. I know you can have your out of 'imo' but seriously, 10 mins of watching a person have their back skin pulled out while alive is more intense then anything I have ever seen from the friggin 70s
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
incidentally when it comes to psychological violence something like Clockwork Orange is childs play compared to Beecher's time in OZ (HBO series).
If you want to make a GOOD argument try this instead.
actual violent crimes in the 70s for population was higher then it is today even though film has far more violence now
try that on, it fits a lot better
I've seen the show and it's fairly disturbing I'll admit. Still, the shows I mentioned are just as bad IMO. When I saw them in the 90s it was disturbing though interesting to me. Of course, once I got access to the internet at an early age through dial-up modem I saw some things a person of young age should never have seen and a lot of it was from.
I'm not really arguing for violent and disturbing as much as immature fun movies. To me, immature fun movies have some action, violence, perhaps a little nudity, people doing stupid immature things and acting like asses, etc. I always liked the ridiculous movies in the 90s like Gone in 60 sixty seconds, Con Air, Speed, etc. They are just examples. Then there are movies like The Howling 2, Friday the 13th part 2, Gremlins, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and many more.
you would be better served just making the point that there are more violent crimes in the 70s then today.
your barking up a tree that the vast majority of people would find completely silly. I know you can have your out of 'imo' but seriously, 10 mins of watching a person have their back skin pulled out while alive is more intense then anything I have ever seen from the friggin 70s
Have you ever seen grindhouse flicks or Italian flicks from the 70s. There weren't mainstream, but they were pretty sick and violent.
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The 60's and 70's for me was sword fights, cops n robbers and tree forts. My tv favorite was the bugs bunny road runner hour.
Those activities really fucked me up
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I think as you or another poster mentioned they don't watch these movies in the first place, but they sure have an opinion on them. Not seen The Babysitter, but I won't hand you down someone else's opinion about it.
We do need censorship, I would certainly not want everything from those Asian games coming to the west. But we need to think about why censorship occurs and what we are censoring.
The lengths people go to is actually hysterical. its like 'there is a war on Christmas!' but ts violence and people IMMEDIATELY go to silly extremes to defend it as if people asking for just more variety is asking people to have their previous violence fix taken away from them.
calm down there isnt a 'war against violence' some people are just asking for more variety is all, you dont have to pull the 'oh there was more violence in media in the 70s it was terrible!' card.
I give it 3 posts before someone compares the violence in Vikings to that of a cartoon character getting smashed in the head...just wait...its coming
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
how bad does a persons position have to be to try and make the suggestion that violence on TV today is similar to that of the 70s? I grew up in the 70s, Rockford Files was about as violent as it got. No where remotely close to something like The History Channels Vikings just as one simple example.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
My point here is growing up in the 80s and 90s I was able to watch a lot of action and horror flicks that were over the top and silly. Ones geared a lot towards males of that time period. Many would probably be considered B movies or cult classics. I also enjoyed these types of movies from the time periods before that even though I wasn't born until 1977. I just thought they were silly fun. A movie that comes to mind is Clash of the Titans. One from my time would be Big Trouble in Little China. It just seems people are so obsessed with maturity and intelligence in this day and age that they aren't able to have any real fun. Perhaps that was always a problem and I just notice it more now than before.
Its likely less violent then The Sparanoes
In fact, A Clockwork Orange which is less violent then Vikings was considered the most violent shocking of its time. Rocky Horror Picture show doesnt have ANY violence in it best I recall.
In fact I think the first epsoide of Hell On Wheels which is pretty standard violence is less violent then ANYTHING that came out of the 70s
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
The horse head in the bed in the 70s was considered one of the most radical images ever, today that is childs play
Have you actually seen Clockwork Orange? at the time considered one of the most violent and twisted. By todays standard its nothing, its childsplay.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I am not so much in favor of these types of movies. What I like to see is immature movies like Clash of the Titans, Friday the 13th, Big Trouble in Little China, etc. You standard B movie fare. I feel like these types of movies are being taken out of society. Partly because of the casual tone is taken with the violence in them, but also because they cater more to one sex. If you watch the Vikings, for instance, do you think the men would really have treated the women with such respect? They act like modern day couples in many ways and it's fairly silly, but it's fantasy and they can do what they like.
A lot of B movies have been tried in recent times, but in most cases lack the things that made them fun in the first place. When they do make one with the correct formula it is criticised for being too immature, stereotypical, sexist, etc. God forbid there isn't a strong woman who fights in a modern movie. God forbid there are teenagers that act immature in a fantasy world.
I dont think Clockwork Orange (considered one of the most violent of its time) even showed blood, let alone graphic details of a man getting a sword hammered into his face or about 10 mins of a mans skin being ripped off his back.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
As I said I am not fighting for violence in general. Just a certain type of silly B movies that are over the top and contain certain immature things. Blood and Gore aren't really what I'm into. I think it's funny sometimes if done in the right context. I'm thinking more of movies like Gone in 60 seconds. It may not be considered extreme blood and gore, but it's kind of like Grand Theft Auto V immature fun with some violence thrown in for thrills.
incidentally when it comes to psychological violence something like Clockwork Orange is childs play compared to Beecher's time in OZ (HBO series).
If you want to make a GOOD argument try this instead.
actual violent crimes in the 70s for population was higher then it is today even though film has far more violence now
try that on, it fits a lot better
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
The movie that was the king of gore and violence in the 1970's was "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre"
It inspired a whole genre.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I am not sure which was considered most at the time but Clockwork was up there, Gore and Violent can be argued to mean two different things but regardless neither one of those movies comes remotely close to todays
BUT in the 70s there was a higher violent crime rate. now THAT is an intresting data point
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
but one thing is for sure, bringing up the fact of higher violence then is sure shit a lot better then trying to argue that Texas Chainsaw Massacare is more violent then watching the skin being pulled off a persons back for 10 mins while they are alive
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I agree with you that the TV and Movies of today are much more violent than they were in the 60's or 70's. People today including kids are much more desensitized today to sex and violence.
The only thing that I would argue that was much more violent back then than it is today is children's cartoons.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
my position is and has always been not that violence in of itself is bad but a lack of variety is bad. EVERYTHING is violent, its really hard to get away from it. High drama and very compelling game play is posisble without violence, we should explore that.
BUT as it relates to the topic I do find it ironic for people to get hyper SJW over how a game is sold when the game is question is often 100% a murder simulator
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I'm not really arguing for violent and disturbing as much as immature fun movies. To me, immature fun movies have some action, violence, perhaps a little nudity, people doing stupid immature things and acting like asses, etc. I always liked the ridiculous movies in the 90s like Gone in 60 sixty seconds, Con Air, Speed, etc. They are just examples. Then there are movies like The Howling 2, Friday the 13th part 2, Gremlins, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, and many more.
your barking up a tree that the vast majority of people would find completely silly. I know you can have your out of 'imo' but seriously, 10 mins of watching a person have their back skin pulled out while alive is more intense then anything I have ever seen from the friggin 70s
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me