5k for Ashes and 1k for Pantheon , yet ..

IceAge

..he's broke with games!

"I am BROKE with games. Max I'd spend is 150 for the founders. After dropping 5000 on Ashes and 1000 on Pantheon, my gaming budget is shot."

http://steamcommunity.com/app/681660/discussions/0/1697169163398339984/#c1697169163398387924

6k for 2 pathetic KS projects! I hope he will remain broke with gaming budged , so that he will pay max 150 for a game from now on!

Hysteric

To each there own

IceAge

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

Flyte27

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

This isn't entirely true.  Kickstarters are for niche products.  Products that aren't main stream.  Products that aren't about maximizing profit.  Unfortunately large games are hard to make without the pressure from above to keep things in order.  They don't always get finished.  If you don't have 1000 dollars to spend on a game in hopes of your dream being finished you shouldn't do so.  It is just entertainment after all.

Siphaed

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

So the next time you need a car/house loan, think about what you just said and do it on your own.  No loans, no bank backing you with it's $$.   Because what is a bank but a collection of money held by other individuals that will use said held money for investing in interest-based loans.   You're essentially saying that's bad.


Certainly some kickstarter projects have failed, but not all. There have been some successful ones as well.   Many, in fact.   Some of the MMO projects are doing it outside of Publishers because they'd rather retain full creative design control rather than chasing the next biggest fad -Battleground island shooters, for example- with the biggest profit churning cash schemes such as lockboxes and the like.

Another reason is that many Publishers do not see a point in investing in the MMO genre.  Average development rate for an MMO is 3.5-5+years.   In that time a games Developer could launch 10x single player and multiplayer games with the same development team size.  So the time/effort investment isn't seen as profitable, especially when most Publishers are publicly traded companies that answer to stock investors on a quarterly.  Can't really answer every quarter for over 3 years with "all resources still tied up in MMO X still in development" without a drop of profit. 

This is why many have reported that the AAA MMORPG is all but dead. 

IceAge

Flyte27 said:

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

This isn't entirely true.  Kickstarters are for niche products.  Products that aren't main stream.  Products that aren't about maximizing profit.  Unfortunately large games are hard to make without the pressure from above to keep things in order.  They don't always get finished.  If you don't have 1000 dollars to spend on a game in hopes of your dream being finished you shouldn't do so.  It is just entertainment after all.

That's a very cheap excuse. Very cheap. And since when KS projects are niche products? That is another cheap excuse to support this kind of projects.

Large games are hard to make? But small are not ? LOL . Name me one "small niche mmo" which was released. And no , don't throw me alpha mmo's with the "release status" which are full of bugs and such. If they are small , then they at least be able to release a stable version of the game.

Anyway , you are delusional for thinking this. Even a small and niche product, can be done right and also, they can find companies who can fund. All it takes is a demo and a solid plan. Trust me,  none of this the so called MMO's had any. I don't really remember, but is Ashes of Creation that game where the owner was so mad because he found no company to fund his project? 

IceAge

Siphaed said:

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

So the next time you need a car/house loan, think about what you just said and do it on your own.  No loans, no bank backing you with it's $$.   Because what is a bank but a collection of money held by other individuals that will use said held money for investing in interest-based loans.   You're essentially saying that's bad.


Certainly some kickstarter projects have failed, but not all. There have been some successful ones as well.   Many, in fact.   Some of the MMO projects are doing it outside of Publishers because they'd rather retain full creative design control rather than chasing the next biggest fad -Battleground island shooters, for example- with the biggest profit churning cash schemes such as lockboxes and the like.

Another reason is that many Publishers do not see a point in investing in the MMO genre.  Average development rate for an MMO is 3.5-5+years.   In that time a games Developer could launch 10x single player and multiplayer games with the same development team size.  So the time/effort investment isn't seen as profitable, especially when most Publishers are publicly traded companies that answer to stock investors on a quarterly.  Can't really answer every quarter for over 3 years with "all resources still tied up in MMO X still in development" without a drop of profit. 

This is why many have reported that the AAA MMORPG is all but dead. 

Wait what? Whats with that comparation ? Do donors get something back ( money related ) from the said projects? No! So wtf? If I want a loan, I get the money but I am paying them back + interests. Will the KS project company pay you back all you donated once they release the game? No. So stop it with this pathetic comparation. 

And I am strictly speaking , and I did said it , about KS MMOs projects. Name me the ones who have released a GAME. Please, understand the meaning of GAME.

For your last paragraph , are you a valid analyzer ? With diplomas and such ? No! then that's just your theory, and from my point of view, a weak one.

Sovrath

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

There's no issues here on the dev's part. This is all about the person who was a total idiot and spent 6k of his own money (or his parents'?) on video game projects that aren't guaranteed to launch.

Good that he's broke. Hopefully this is a long lasting lesson.

Flyte27

IceAge said:

Flyte27 said:

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

This isn't entirely true.  Kickstarters are for niche products.  Products that aren't main stream.  Products that aren't about maximizing profit.  Unfortunately large games are hard to make without the pressure from above to keep things in order.  They don't always get finished.  If you don't have 1000 dollars to spend on a game in hopes of your dream being finished you shouldn't do so.  It is just entertainment after all.

That's a very cheap excuse. Very cheap. And since when KS projects are niche products? That is another cheap excuse to support this kind of projects.

Large games are hard to make? But small are not ? LOL . Name me one "small niche mmo" which was released. And no , don't throw me alpha mmo's with the "release status" which are full of bugs and such. If they are small , then they at least be able to release a stable version of the game.

Anyway , you are delusional for thinking this. Even a small and niche product, can be done right and also, they can find companies who can fund. All it takes is a demo and a solid plan. Trust me,  none of this the so called MMO's had any. I don't really remember, but is Ashes of Creation that game where the owner was so mad because he found no company to fund his project? 

Large games are much more difficult to make IMO.  Even small games are difficult, but the longer the development duration and the larger the project the more complicated it gets.  3D MMOs are the pinnacle of game complexity unless you move into the realm of things like virtual reality.  Many non game companies can spend 10 years trying to perfect a C++ application to make sure it works well for it's purpose.  I would think in this day and age people would understand that games take a lot of work and organization between the coding, art, story, music, etc.  Keeping it all organized and working together is not easy.

PottedPlant22

Why does any of this matter?  If the game's good, it will be released like any other game and you can decide to buy it then or not.  The game most certainly won't be $1000 or $5000 at that point.

Linif

What's the point of this thread? It's basically naming and shaming...

IceAge

Linif said:

What's the point of this thread? It's basically naming and shaming...

At least I am naming and shaming someone who's not related to this website. 

And the point ? Because is a serious problem if someone is paying 6k on 2 wannabe MMO's , yet , he's broke, on gaming budged that is and I could say that not only. I mean who has 6k to donate and then he says that he can afford to buy future games at a price of no more then 150$. 

Anyway , whats the point of commenting to this thread ?

Sovrath

IceAge said:

Linif said:

What's the point of this thread? It's basically naming and shaming...

At least I am naming and shaming someone who's not related to this website. 

And the point ? Because is a serious problem if someone is paying 6k on 2 wannabe MMO's , yet , he's broke, on gaming budged that is and I could say that not only. I mean who has 6k to donate and then he says that he can afford to buy future games at a price of no more then 150$. 

Anyway , whats the point of commenting to this thread ?

Well, now wait a minute, putting aside that he might have "issues" and is spending money that should be spent on more important things, not everyone thinks 6k is a lot of money.

There are people out there with incredible amounts of money who don't want for anything.

If I go out and spend $200-$300+ or so on a weekend, that's not a big deal. For some they might say "$200-$300+ plus on just weekend activities? Who can afford that?

Others spend 1k - 2k as a matter of course and it's no big deal.

However, I strongly suspect that if he's spent 6k and is complaining about it then he probably shouldn't have been spending that money on kickstarter projects.

Linif

IceAge said:

Linif said:

What's the point of this thread? It's basically naming and shaming...

At least I am naming and shaming someone who's not related to this website. 

And the point ? Because is a serious problem if someone is paying 6k on 2 wannabe MMO's , yet , he's broke, on gaming budged that is and I could say that not only. I mean who has 6k to donate and then he says that he can afford to buy future games at a price of no more then 150$. 

Anyway , whats the point of commenting to this thread ?

To determine what the actual point of the thread was. Come on now.

People with big wallets and a lot of faith. Usually it's those people who want to be part of "The next big thing", I've found. They'll sink a fortune, but won't get what they actually want... which is to PLAY the game.

IceAge

Linif said:

IceAge said:

Linif said:

What's the point of this thread? It's basically naming and shaming...

At least I am naming and shaming someone who's not related to this website. 

And the point ? Because is a serious problem if someone is paying 6k on 2 wannabe MMO's , yet , he's broke, on gaming budged that is and I could say that not only. I mean who has 6k to donate and then he says that he can afford to buy future games at a price of no more then 150$. 

Anyway , whats the point of commenting to this thread ?

To determine what the actual point of the thread was. Come on now.

People with big wallets and a lot of faith. Usually it's those people who want to be part of "The next big thing", I've found. They'll sink a fortune, but won't get what they actually want... which is to PLAY the game.

All good, yet , it seems this guys does not really have a big wallet. Had...

Linif

IceAge said:

Linif said:

IceAge said:

Linif said:

What's the point of this thread? It's basically naming and shaming...

At least I am naming and shaming someone who's not related to this website. 

And the point ? Because is a serious problem if someone is paying 6k on 2 wannabe MMO's , yet , he's broke, on gaming budged that is and I could say that not only. I mean who has 6k to donate and then he says that he can afford to buy future games at a price of no more then 150$. 

Anyway , whats the point of commenting to this thread ?

To determine what the actual point of the thread was. Come on now.

People with big wallets and a lot of faith. Usually it's those people who want to be part of "The next big thing", I've found. They'll sink a fortune, but won't get what they actually want... which is to PLAY the game.

All good, yet , it seems this guys does not really have a big wallet. Had...

If he's sunk as much as he claims in to them, I'd at least expect to see his name in the credits somewhere ey? Lol

IceAge

Linif said:

IceAge said:

Linif said:

IceAge said:

Linif said:

What's the point of this thread? It's basically naming and shaming...

At least I am naming and shaming someone who's not related to this website. 

And the point ? Because is a serious problem if someone is paying 6k on 2 wannabe MMO's , yet , he's broke, on gaming budged that is and I could say that not only. I mean who has 6k to donate and then he says that he can afford to buy future games at a price of no more then 150$. 

Anyway , whats the point of commenting to this thread ?

To determine what the actual point of the thread was. Come on now.

People with big wallets and a lot of faith. Usually it's those people who want to be part of "The next big thing", I've found. They'll sink a fortune, but won't get what they actually want... which is to PLAY the game.

All good, yet , it seems this guys does not really have a big wallet. Had...

If he's sunk as much as he claims in to them, I'd at least expect to see his name in the credits somewhere ey? Lol

Well , based on what he said here : http://steamcommunity.com/app/681660/discussions/0/1697169163398339984/#c1697169163398459561

...it seems he has no regrets : Regret? 5000 because I pledged Hero of the People pledge during Kickstarter.

Because yeah, he's the ... Hero of the People , in this case, he's the hero for whoever took the money and bought some nice cloths with them.

Aethaeryn

My "games" budget  doesn't even include half of that for a new PC

KnightFalz

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

You don't get to define the needs of other people.

So, yes, to each their own.

IceAge

KnightFalz said:

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

You don't get to define the needs of other people.

So, yes, to each their own.

Yea, but I can rage as much as i want on "to each his own" statement. Because , common sense in today's world, is very rare. 

danwest58

If this guy is stupid enough to drop thousands of dollars on a kickstarter let him learn his lesson.   Yea I dropped $80 on Ashes.   Its $80 I planned to and it didnt hurt my budget or put me in more debt then I am already in.   People need to be responsible for their own spending habits.  Its like a moron going to the Casino putting himself thousands of dollars in debt trying to win big.  Its no one else's fault but his own.  

Flyte27

danwest58 said:

If this guy is stupid enough to drop thousands of dollars on a kickstarter let him learn his lesson.   Yea I dropped $80 on Ashes.   Its $80 I planned to and it didnt hurt my budget or put me in more debt then I am already in.   People need to be responsible for their own spending habits.  Its like a moron going to the Casino putting himself thousands of dollars in debt trying to win big.  Its no one else's fault but his own.  

There are actually many reasons for doing things like that, but most of them are spawned by society, ownership, and control of things.  That is what creates ambition and greed.  Some people like the game and others would rather to be separate from it and live a life the way nature intended.  Sure it's his own fault, but he is not the one who created the temptation.  Unfortunately people do need to be responsible as a condition of society and living in it.  If they are not they will end up hurting themselves the most.  That doesn't mean it's something that should be accepted IMO.

Kyleran

KnightFalz said:

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

You don't get to define the needs of other people.

So, yes, to each their own.

True, but we do get to smugly mock them for their poor decisions.

The view on top of the high horse is awesomely clear.

Eldurian

IceAge said:

..he's broke with games!

"I am BROKE with games. Max I'd spend is 150 for the founders. After dropping 5000 on Ashes and 1000 on Pantheon, my gaming budget is shot."

http://steamcommunity.com/app/681660/discussions/0/1697169163398339984/#c1697169163398387924

6k for 2 pathetic KS projects! I hope he will remain broke with gaming budged , so that he will pay max 150 for a game from now on!

While I'd be more incline to use 6000$ to provide food, clean water and education to an entire 3rd world village for a year... how bad of a decision it is for him is completely relative to his yearly earnings. If he's still willing to drop 150$ on games in one go, that doesn't sound too broke to me.

Wraithone

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

Really? I've seen many great proposed projects, by experienced Devs that didn't get funded, because the suits lacked the insight and courage to take a chance on them.

Suits tend to be some of the most risk adverse people in the world. The vast majority will ONLY bet on "sure" things.  Remember the phrase; "Its just like World of Warcraft"?...

Not to mention that these days, they'd want to stuff the game with micro transactions and other such nonsense.

KS is a great alternative, but as with all such things, its up to the people involved to make a good case for their project, and for the supporters to do their own thinking and RESEARCH.

Mackaveli44

IceAge said:

Hysteric said:

To each there own

Nope! Not here.

Because supporting fail KS projects, means that "dev's" will continue to throw "awesome - on paper - projects" , take the money from guys (a)like the one I quoted , and then "whatever". 

People needs to realize, that devs needs to take the fucking care of everything. If a company goes KS ( for MMO's that is ) , it means they are shit, because if they have a good project, they will 100% find some company who will fund their project. 

How can you legitimately say they're fail projects when they haven't even released yet?  Jumping to the conclusion are we?   Sounds more like you hate these titles so much you're posting this rant just to showcase it. Who the hell knows WHY you hate them so much(At least it sounds like you do from your rants) but it's pretty damn unjustified to call them fail projects when they have yet to release.