Ok, let us try this example even though it isn't as complex as CoE intends to make their crafting system. ESO lockpicking takes not only character skill but a certain degree of Player Skill. Triggers for the players to learn are sound and resistance in order to be successful in picking a lock without breaking their pick. With time and practice, they can acquire the player skill needed to be successful almost every time. Yet, I have met players that just can't seem to get it right and curse the lock picking system.
This feature takes Character Skill as well as Player Skill in order to be successful. Just as the Crafting system in CoE is expected to have.
Posted By Malais at 06:13 AM - Thu Apr 05 2018 Keep in mind NPCs still need to be able to do everything in the crafting DJ. So I’d imagine there is Player crafting which Snipehunter spoke about while a simple “numbers game” crafting setup is what NPCs or OPCs can do. That's fairly accurate. The same model that decides when to present challenges to a player is used in either case, but for NPCs and OPCs we resolve them "behind the scenes" instead of running the interface and the like. Posted By Kyxsune at 06:18 AM - Thu Apr 05 2018 Given craft challenges, if it is a numbers game, the failure rate for an OPC will probably end up higher than that of a PC. Subject to balancing though. That's also a fair cop. That isn't necessarily the case every single time an NPC or OPC crafts but, in general, that's true. Posted By Lady Grace at 1:34 PM - Thu Apr 05 2018 I fully expect that things you once did as a novice your OPC will be able to do once you are skilled, so that for example turning a huge pile of ore into standard iron billets might be something your OPC does. If you want to use rare ore to make a special steel that you will use for the blade of your latest materpiece ... you will be doing that online, not OPC. Pragmatically, that's how it falls out, for sure. In essence, your OPC and NPCs have no player skill to fall back on to get through a challenge, so they are less likely to succeed through challenges that above their skill level. Give an OPC a job that would challenge you while you were online and you're going to come back to a failure, pretty much always. But, on the other hand, give your OPC a job that isn't likely to generate difficult challenges or that doesn't generate challenges at all and you'll most likely come back to a success. So, if you're interested in pursuing only the "fun" bits of the job, leave your OPC to do all the grunt work while you're not playing.
Pragmatically, that's how it falls out, for sure. In essence, your OPC and NPCs have no player skill to fall back on to get through a challenge, so they are less likely to succeed through challenges that above their skill level. Give an OPC a job that would challenge you while you were online and you're going to come back to a failure, pretty much always. But, on the other hand, give your OPC a job that isn't likely to generate difficult challenges or that doesn't generate challenges at all and you'll most likely come back to a success. So, if you're interested in pursuing only the "fun" bits of the job, leave your OPC to do all the grunt work while you're not playing.
So with this additional information perhaps Crafting isn't going to be as time-consuming as I first perceived it to be in the DJ. For example, in blacksmithing, once you/your character knows the process of melting down Ore and making billets of iron or steel for crafting they will be able to perform this task as OPCs. That means that when you log back in, you will have the materials already ready for you to begin crafting... Awesome!
In addition what Caspian states here also provides information on time saving features that are planned for Crafting...
Caspian Said:
That's the beauty of this system. It dissociates skills from crafting requirements.
In most MMOs, you'd need to make 100 daggers (a lower level item), before you can make longswords (a higher level items). In this scenario, being able to craft daggers is a requirement to crafting swords.
In CoE, we want to be able to introduce new technology throughout the 10 year story, and we don't want people to have to craft lower "tier" items a bunch of times just to be able to craft the hot new tech.
That said, in CoE, daggers and swords might require mastery/knowledge of the same techniques. That means with the introduction of the new technology, you can "cut your teeth" on either. You still need to be proficient in the right techniques, but you can learn them while crafting either daggers or swords.
And I understand further just how specialized crafters are expected to be and how it allows for individual players to become legionary in different aspects of the same profession. For example, Blacksmith A makes the best Swords in the region, but if you want armor you are better off dealing with Blacksmith B. Or am I perceiving this wrong?
OMG Dleatherus, I can't wait till your Q&A with Snipehunter.
AnOldFart ty for sharing that - mirrors what I had said so really good to hear
crafting like smithing etc isn't my thing so i had forgotten about that when @mystichaze first created this thread
this has our crafters excited that what many of them see as the chore part (such as smelting ore into ingots over and over and having to keep an eye on it) will be taken out of the process
at the same time improving skills is going to be challenging, something they say has been lacking in many other games, usually it being just a matter of getting more crafting xp by crafting 1,000 iron helms to be able to unlock the next level of crafting 1,000 iron swords etc, and thus it wasn't so much of an interesting skills challenges, as just a boring grind to get from level 1 to level 100
for me this raises another question: if the crafters using the resources will be able to OPC stuff they already know, how does this effect the resource gatherers such as miners, lumberjacks etc?
this then branches out into more speculative questions
will they be able to OPC gather stuff they already recognize? (presumably at greater risk of being attacked - or in the case of an herb gatherer, bushwhacked :P )
is there a point where the world becomes populated by a bunch of afk/OPC characters?
if the OPC script won't allow for auto gathering, does it then suck to be a grunt resource gatherer?
if the OPC script does allow for auto gathering, are we going to see a lot of alt account OPC's harvesting stuff liek crazy to feed the skill raising of select 'main' characters?
edited for follow up speculative question of:
does it mean whales (like myself) are able to have an army of OPC characters harvesting resources and then having a distinct advantage in trying to get to be legendary, or does it create a dynamic of where other players make it their 'profession' to hunt down and kill/loot OPC's out gathering resources and thus negate that potential advantage?
might be things to ask Snipehunter during the livestream
at the same time improving skills is going to be challenging, something they say has been lacking in many other games, usually it being just a matter of getting more crafting xp by crafting 1,000 iron helms to be able to unlock the next level of crafting 1,000 iron swords etc, and thus it wasn't so much of an interesting skills challenges, as just a boring grind to get from level 1 to level 100
Yet, at the end they both end up the same grind - the 'challenge' will be long gone once you repeat the process enough times.
Imo these 'ideas' belong more into a realm of fantasy rather than good game design.
at the same time improving skills is going to be challenging, something they say has been lacking in many other games, usually it being just a matter of getting more crafting xp by crafting 1,000 iron helms to be able to unlock the next level of crafting 1,000 iron swords etc, and thus it wasn't so much of an interesting skills challenges, as just a boring grind to get from level 1 to level 100
Yet, at the end they both end up the same grind - the 'challenge' will be long gone once you repeat the process enough times.
Imo these 'ideas' belong more into a realm of fantasy rather than good game design.
Not to discredit your opinion. I am genuinely curious what has lead you to believe that CoEs crafting system will be a grind? I could see where it might take more effort in professions like Alchemy where you would need to be gathering resources more often since you are dealing with plants. (Something that isn't recyclable) But in professions like blacksmithing, you only need to acquire enough resources to create the items you desire to make, in addition, there is intended to be recycling features wherein you would be able to meltdown unwanted equipment to make something new.
Also from what we know from Caspian's post, you are not required to grind huge amounts of resources (Resources are finite) and make massive amounts of unwanted equipment in order to advance your skill instead you are expected to practice technique. So you only need to acquire the amount resources needed to be successful in making what you need/want.
Also.. there is no video because it doesn't exist. It's just a theoretical paper on what he wants to do... which was kind of my point. It would be MUCH easier to have a rational discussion about how crafting is different in CoE when you can actually see it in action.
Also.. there is no video because it doesn't exist. It's just a theoretical paper on what he wants to do... which was kind of my point. It would be MUCH easier to have a rational discussion about how crafting is different in CoE when you can actually see it in action.
Someday we will see it. Someday...
Are you really sure about that?
I am confident that once the alpha 1 players have tested the mechanics and offered their feedback on the structure of crafting system in VoxElyria, something visual will be released to the public. However, I wouldn't expect anything concrete before that process begins.
It's looking like a ponzi scheme, I'm giving Caspian a dead-line. If he and his gantt charts don't produce something worth while in the next journal, then he might get hit with the RICO.
Is there a TLDR version of the crafting system? I don't care enough about crafting in general to read an entire book on it.
TLDR:
the intended crafting mechanics, regardless of profession, aren't going to be your standard mundane stuff 2,000lbs of ore into my backpack, smelt it in 20 seconds at a forge and make a legendary sword 20 seconds later with my alt
in essence it is a detailed and involved system
remember that it has been said that only 1% of players in any given profession will be legendary at any one moment in time
this is going to turn some people off, and attract others
That's an understatement.
My opinion is that those systems will turn off far more than they will attract.
Is there a TLDR version of the crafting system? I don't care enough about crafting in general to read an entire book on it.
TLDR:
the intended crafting mechanics, regardless of profession, aren't going to be your standard mundane stuff 2,000lbs of ore into my backpack, smelt it in 20 seconds at a forge and make a legendary sword 20 seconds later with my alt
in essence it is a detailed and involved system
remember that it has been said that only 1% of players in any given profession will be legendary at any one moment in time
this is going to turn some people off, and attract others
That's an understatement.
My opinion is that those systems will turn off far more than they will attract.
I'll certainly keep an eye on the game from afar
I agree that the crafting system definitely won't be to everyone's taste. But I think people like myself and those that have posted in CoEs thread are very excited by the prospect of having a crafting system that is going to be a bit of a challenge and mean something if you are to become successful in it.
So I think there will be a good percentage of players that enjoy crafting in games, that will find this system interesting.
My opinion is that those systems will turn off far more than they will attract.
I'll certainly keep an eye on the game from afar
Pretty much.
All sort of mini-games are deemed to end up as annoying after certain time. The more 'engaging' you make it, worse it will end.
It is just bad idea...
Not entirely convinced with this, I prefer crafting in MMORPGs, i always want to be the crafter with all the rare recipes. Unfortunately I have a quite extensive life outside of games and get very little time to play these days. So those that can grind through the mobs to pick up said recipes always beat me, and for them it's just a side to their mainly raiding gameplay.
This allows me to out my precious time into my craft whilst allowing my character the ability to grind through the ores.
Therefore because I will aim to master these mechanics in my precious gaming time I can become the best at my craft, and those who prefer "raiding" will not be able to beat me just because they have more time.
Snipehunter: Since weapons are componential, you can make pretty much any weapon you can think of. You just need the right components. So, want a Katana? Get yourself a recipe for a curved single edged blade with a hidden tang, a recipe for the handle wrap, and one for the guard and then assemble them into a katana. As for how you get recipes: Existing recipes are going to be found, purchased or taught in the world. Experimentation is a different thing though: Many of the techniques you can employ are interchangeable and each of them changes the properties passed into the weapon, so depending on how you want to the weapon to perform you'd use different techniques. It's possible for techniques to impart visual changes as well, but in most cases the way a weapon looks is dictated by the components you use while the way it performs is about materials used and techniques employed.
Snipehunter: There are a couple of ways. At the highest levels of a trade skill you can take some of the work you've done and combine it into a recipe. E.g. you can make a recipe that uses existing techniques and/or component requirements to create a customized recipe. But for wholly new things you'll need to do research. The research system isn't something I'm ready to go into a ton of details on, but the idea is that through research you can "inform" us of the new content we need to create, sorta. So anything that requires legitimate new content has to go through the research system.
Just a couple more tidbits on the Crafting System that Snipehunter released in CoE discord.
Existing recipes are going to be found, purchased or taught in the world.
That worries me
It’s always been known that you can buy things like recipies, blueprints etc in the cash shop. Perhaps @Dleatherus can ask the devs in his stream if there is any chance that they will sell recipies after the 3 month no wipe Exposition. In the past they were clear that only Sparks and RNG SoulPacks would be sold, but recently they have said other things could be sold if also made/found in game without buying.
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hrmmm - i interpreted that as being able to purchase from NPC's or other players
i can see the ambivalence though and think it is a question that merits asking
ty for suggesting to do so
Well the only question is whether you might buy them post launch. We know you can buy them for real money from now through the 3 month no wipe Headstart. We know this because they are listed as items you can buy in Caspien’s post: https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/19128/ep-kits-and-item-projection
And dont forget about being able to buy Technology Upgrade Kits: Techology Kits: 5,000 EP Each biome has a specific set of resources, and specific needs. However, within each biome there is often more than one way to solve a problem and the technology kits offer the additional of universities and schools to help foster learning in specific areas, as well as the introduction of specific technologies into the kingdom which may help solve problems in new ways. Technology kits will include the buildings for schools, as well as the patterns and techniques for advanced technology. Individual EP ranges from several hundreds to a thousand for the colleges and universities, to 100+ EP for the patterns and techniques, depending on level of advancement.
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hrmmm - i interpreted that as being able to purchase from NPC's or other players
i can see the ambivalence though and think it is a question that merits asking
ty for suggesting to do so
Well the only question is whether you might buy them post launch. We know you can buy them for real money from now through the 3 month no wipe Headstart. We know this because they are listed as items you can buy in Caspien’s post: https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/19128/ep-kits-and-item-projection
And dont forget about being able to buy Technology Upgrade Kits: Techology Kits: 5,000 EP Each biome has a specific set of resources, and specific needs. However, within each biome there is often more than one way to solve a problem and the technology kits offer the additional of universities and schools to help foster learning in specific areas, as well as the introduction of specific technologies into the kingdom which may help solve problems in new ways. Technology kits will include the buildings for schools, as well as the patterns and techniques for advanced technology. Individual EP ranges from several hundreds to a thousand for the colleges and universities, to 100+ EP for the patterns and techniques, depending on level of advancement.
The parts you left out this time Slapshot is these kits can only be purchased by Kings or Dukes. In addition to the fact that they can only purchase -one- type of kit each. So no, not just anyone can buy them during the world building phase (exposition). They are intended to be implemented in the purchaser's region if they want to focus on Technology, for example and will be available for the use of all those that enter into that region after launch, not only one single player.
Schools in Chronicles of Elyria represent a collection or group of people dedicated to the furthering of education, research, and technology. Organizational structure and funding incorporates membership fees from some students who are required to pay for access to school resources, as well as grant funding from the Kingdom, Duchy, County, or Settlement they reside in.
Advantages
Being part of a school gives members increased and rapid opportunity for learning, which comes in the form of consolidated access to different skill trainers (or teachers) and specialized research tools.
When a new technology is discovered, all students immediately gain access to the new knowledge where in other organizations like guilds, the new technology would be patented and could be sold to others.
Disadvantages
Since schools share technological developments any new technology discovered within the school is freely available to anyone.
Research
Schools function as academic institutions that forego production and profit for research and development. Schools also allow for the safer study of new technologies through specialized tools. As such, members of the school share research, which greatly increases the change of new discoveries. Indeed, compared to guilds, schools do not pursue patents for their discovered technology, making it available for public use immediately.
hrmmm - i interpreted that as being able to purchase from NPC's or other players
i can see the ambivalence though and think it is a question that merits asking
ty for suggesting to do so
Now getting back on topic, I also understood this as the recipes being able to be purchased in-game from NPCs or other Players, but if you can get some clarification Dleatherus that would be awesome.
hrmmm - i interpreted that as being able to purchase from NPC's or other players
i can see the ambivalence though and think it is a question that merits asking
ty for suggesting to do so
Well the only question is whether you might buy them post launch. We know you can buy them for real money from now through the 3 month no wipe Headstart. We know this because they are listed as items you can buy in Caspien’s post: https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/19128/ep-kits-and-item-projection
And dont forget about being able to buy Technology Upgrade Kits: Techology Kits: 5,000 EP Each biome has a specific set of resources, and specific needs. However, within each biome there is often more than one way to solve a problem and the technology kits offer the additional of universities and schools to help foster learning in specific areas, as well as the introduction of specific technologies into the kingdom which may help solve problems in new ways. Technology kits will include the buildings for schools, as well as the patterns and techniques for advanced technology. Individual EP ranges from several hundreds to a thousand for the colleges and universities, to 100+ EP for the patterns and techniques, depending on level of advancement.
The part you left out this time Slapshot is these kits can only be purchased by Kings or Dukes. So no not just anyone can buy them during the world building phase (exposition). They are intended to be implemented in the purchaser's region for the use of all those that enter into that region, not only one single player.
Schools in Chronicles of Elyria represent a collection or group of people dedicated to the furthering of education, research, and technology. Organizational structure and funding incorporates membership fees from some students who are required to pay for access to school resources, as well as grant funding from the Kingdom, Duchy, County, or Settlement they reside in.
Advantages
Being part of a school gives members increased and rapid opportunity for learning, which comes in the form of consolidated access to different skill trainers (or teachers) and specialized research tools.
When a new technology is discovered, all students immediately gain access to the new knowledge where in other organizations like guilds, the new technology would be patented and could be sold to others.
Disadvantages
Since schools share technological developments any new technology discovered within the school is freely available to anyone.
Research
Schools function as academic institutions that forego production and profit for research and development. Schools also allow for the safer study of new technologies through specialized tools. As such, members of the school share research, which greatly increases the change of new discoveries. Indeed, compared to guilds, schools do not pursue patents for their discovered technology, making it available for public use immediately.
The part YOU left out is that: The kits will provide a 20% discount compared to items bought a la carte, however everything available in the kits should be available a la carte.
Not sure what the point of your post was...
There is no question that you can buy all these things during the 3 month no-wipe head start. The only question is whether they will sell any items other than sparks and souls post launch. Previously it was quite clear that NO they wouldn't. Recent quotes seem to indicate that Caspien is open to selling items (at least cosmetics) that can be found or made in game. Hopefully Dleatherus can get clarification on that and if it would possibly extend to things like patterns and techniques for crafting.
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@Slapshot If you wish to debate Exposition once again and the fact that there is absolutely no EP store at this time. If you read the title of that thread, it is just a projection of what -might- be in the EP Store. Then please start another thread. This thread is in regard to the Crafting system in Elyria.
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Are they planning a certain date where they reveal a good amount of info or tech demos?
This game is looking at a 2020/2021 release date at this rate, and I say that without any pie charts or cornell notes
This feature takes Character Skill as well as Player Skill in order to be successful. Just as the Crafting system in CoE is expected to have.
Posted By Malais at 06:13 AM - Thu Apr 05 2018Keep in mind NPCs still need to be able to do everything in the crafting DJ. So I’d imagine there is Player crafting which Snipehunter spoke about while a simple “numbers game” crafting setup is what NPCs or OPCs can do.
That's fairly accurate. The same model that decides when to present challenges to a player is used in either case, but for NPCs and OPCs we resolve them "behind the scenes" instead of running the interface and the like.
Posted By Kyxsune at 06:18 AM - Thu Apr 05 2018
Given craft challenges, if it is a numbers game, the failure rate for an OPC will probably end up higher than that of a PC. Subject to balancing though.
That's also a fair cop. That isn't necessarily the case every single time an NPC or OPC crafts but, in general, that's true.
Posted By Lady Grace at 1:34 PM - Thu Apr 05 2018
I fully expect that things you once did as a novice your OPC will be able to do once you are skilled, so that for example turning a huge pile of ore into standard iron billets might be something your OPC does. If you want to use rare ore to make a special steel that you will use for the blade of your latest materpiece ... you will be doing that online, not OPC.
Pragmatically, that's how it falls out, for sure. In essence, your OPC and NPCs have no player skill to fall back on to get through a challenge, so they are less likely to succeed through challenges that above their skill level. Give an OPC a job that would challenge you while you were online and you're going to come back to a failure, pretty much always. But, on the other hand, give your OPC a job that isn't likely to generate difficult challenges or that doesn't generate challenges at all and you'll most likely come back to a success.
So, if you're interested in pursuing only the "fun" bits of the job, leave your OPC to do all the grunt work while you're not playing.
Pragmatically, that's how it falls out, for sure. In essence, your OPC and NPCs have no player skill to fall back on to get through a challenge, so they are less likely to succeed through challenges that above their skill level. Give an OPC a job that would challenge you while you were online and you're going to come back to a failure, pretty much always. But, on the other hand, give your OPC a job that isn't likely to generate difficult challenges or that doesn't generate challenges at all and you'll most likely come back to a success.
So, if you're interested in pursuing only the "fun" bits of the job, leave your OPC to do all the grunt work while you're not playing.
So with this additional information perhaps Crafting isn't going to be as time-consuming as I first perceived it to be in the DJ. For example, in blacksmithing, once you/your character knows the process of melting down Ore and making billets of iron or steel for crafting they will be able to perform this task as OPCs. That means that when you log back in, you will have the materials already ready for you to begin crafting... Awesome!
In addition what Caspian states here also provides information on time saving features that are planned for Crafting...
That's the beauty of this system. It dissociates skills from crafting requirements.
In most MMOs, you'd need to make 100 daggers (a lower level item), before you can make longswords (a higher level items). In this scenario, being able to craft daggers is a requirement to crafting swords.
In CoE, we want to be able to introduce new technology throughout the 10 year story, and we don't want people to have to craft lower "tier" items a bunch of times just to be able to craft the hot new tech.
That said, in CoE, daggers and swords might require mastery/knowledge of the same techniques. That means with the introduction of the new technology, you can "cut your teeth" on either. You still need to be proficient in the right techniques, but you can learn them while crafting either daggers or swords.
And I understand further just how specialized crafters are expected to be and how it allows for individual players to become legionary in different aspects of the same profession. For example, Blacksmith A makes the best Swords in the region, but if you want armor you are better off dealing with Blacksmith B. Or am I perceiving this wrong?
OMG Dleatherus, I can't wait till your Q&A with Snipehunter.
crafting like smithing etc isn't my thing so i had forgotten about that when @mystichaze first created this thread
this has our crafters excited that what many of them see as the chore part (such as smelting ore into ingots over and over and having to keep an eye on it) will be taken out of the process
at the same time improving skills is going to be challenging, something they say has been lacking in many other games, usually it being just a matter of getting more crafting xp by crafting 1,000 iron helms to be able to unlock the next level of crafting 1,000 iron swords etc, and thus it wasn't so much of an interesting skills challenges, as just a boring grind to get from level 1 to level 100
for me this raises another question: if the crafters using the resources will be able to OPC stuff they already know, how does this effect the resource gatherers such as miners, lumberjacks etc?
this then branches out into more speculative questions
will they be able to OPC gather stuff they already recognize? (presumably at greater risk of being attacked - or in the case of an herb gatherer, bushwhacked :P )
is there a point where the world becomes populated by a bunch of afk/OPC characters?
if the OPC script won't allow for auto gathering, does it then suck to be a grunt resource gatherer?
if the OPC script does allow for auto gathering, are we going to see a lot of alt account OPC's harvesting stuff liek crazy to feed the skill raising of select 'main' characters?
edited for follow up speculative question of:
does it mean whales (like myself) are able to have an army of OPC characters harvesting resources and then having a distinct advantage in trying to get to be legendary, or does it create a dynamic of where other players make it their 'profession' to hunt down and kill/loot OPC's out gathering resources and thus negate that potential advantage?
might be things to ask Snipehunter during the livestream
Imo these 'ideas' belong more into a realm of fantasy rather than good game design.
Also from what we know from Caspian's post, you are not required to grind huge amounts of resources (Resources are finite) and make massive amounts of unwanted equipment in order to advance your skill instead you are expected to practice technique. So you only need to acquire the amount resources needed to be successful in making what you need/want.
My opinion is that those systems will turn off far more than they will attract.
I'll certainly keep an eye on the game from afar
So I think there will be a good percentage of players that enjoy crafting in games, that will find this system interesting.
All sort of mini-games are deemed to end up as annoying after certain time. The more 'engaging' you make it, worse it will end.
It is just bad idea...
Unfortunately I have a quite extensive life outside of games and get very little time to play these days. So those that can grind through the mobs to pick up said recipes always beat me, and for them it's just a side to their mainly raiding gameplay.
This allows me to out my precious time into my craft whilst allowing my character the ability to grind through the ores.
Therefore because I will aim to master these mechanics in my precious gaming time I can become the best at my craft, and those who prefer "raiding" will not be able to beat me just because they have more time.
Just a couple more tidbits on the Crafting System that Snipehunter released in CoE discord.
That worries me
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i can see the ambivalence though and think it is a question that merits asking
ty for suggesting to do so
And dont forget about being able to buy Technology Upgrade Kits:
Techology Kits: 5,000 EP
Each biome has a specific set of resources, and specific needs. However, within each biome there is often more than one way to solve a problem and the technology kits offer the additional of universities and schools to help foster learning in specific areas, as well as the introduction of specific technologies into the kingdom which may help solve problems in new ways. Technology kits will include the buildings for schools, as well as the patterns and techniques for advanced technology. Individual EP ranges from several hundreds to a thousand for the colleges and universities, to 100+ EP for the patterns and techniques, depending on level of advancement.
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https://chroniclesofelyria.gamepedia.com/Schools
https://chroniclesofelyria.com/blog/1109/DJ-13-Technology-Research
Schools in Chronicles of Elyria represent a collection or group of people dedicated to the furthering of education, research, and technology. Organizational structure and funding incorporates membership fees from some students who are required to pay for access to school resources, as well as grant funding from the Kingdom, Duchy, County, or Settlement they reside in.
Advantages
Being part of a school gives members increased and rapid opportunity for learning, which comes in the form of consolidated access to different skill trainers (or teachers) and specialized research tools.
When a new technology is discovered, all students immediately gain access to the new knowledge where in other organizations like guilds, the new technology would be patented and could be sold to others.
Disadvantages
Since schools share technological developments any new technology discovered within the school is freely available to anyone.
Research
Schools function as academic institutions that forego production and profit for research and development. Schools also allow for the safer study of new technologies through specialized tools. As such, members of the school share research, which greatly increases the change of new discoveries. Indeed, compared to guilds, schools do not pursue patents for their discovered technology, making it available for public use immediately.
The kits will provide a 20% discount compared to items bought a la carte, however everything available in the kits should be available a la carte.
Not sure what the point of your post was...
There is no question that you can buy all these things during the 3 month no-wipe head start. The only question is whether they will sell any items other than sparks and souls post launch. Previously it was quite clear that NO they wouldn't. Recent quotes seem to indicate that Caspien is open to selling items (at least cosmetics) that can be found or made in game. Hopefully Dleatherus can get clarification on that and if it would possibly extend to things like patterns and techniques for crafting.
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