Lol, a clickbait video about clickbaiting, how painfully obvious.
Ohh, and I hate all of you, but where else could I go for my non MMO news?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The logic of YT clickbait: He got 5-10k new subscribers recently, people in comments are thanking him "for opening their eyes" etc. Love is in the air!
Lol, a clickbait video about clickbaiting, how painfully obvious.
Ohh, and I hate all of you, but where else could I go for my non MMO news?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The logic of YT clickbait: He got 5-10k new subscribers recently, people in comments are thanking him "for opening their eyes" etc. Love is in the air!
Liberals and conservatives aren't the only people who live in "thought bubbles".
I find the lack of capitalistic understanding disturbing. Not unlike say, Youtube, capitalism-money/traffic/clicks, drives the content on websites. If no one clicked non mmos then there would be no non mmo news which means, gasp, the consumers are responsible for the content on websites!
MMO isnt trying to lie to you, it is supplying what you click...except for my columns. We all know no one clicks them but I have leverage due to the footage I obtained of Wild Billy Murphder during his brief stint persuing a hip hop career in the late 90s. Ive probably said too much...blame the beer...
Beer? It's 5:30 AM PST! I sure hope you're in another part of the world. :-)
There are so few MMO's being developed or updated that it isn't tough to figure out what is an MMO and what isn't. You can memorize them easily. I skip over the non MMO items by using my brain...imagine that.
There are so few MMO's being developed or updated that it isn't tough to figure out what is an MMO and what isn't. You can memorize them easily. I skip over the non MMO items by using my brain...imagine that.
By which definition du jour? Oh, yours. Imagine that.
Can't really blame the folks who run MMORPG sites for a mishandled and dwindling genre. Can't really blame the folks who run MMORPG sites for the gap between consoles and PC shrinking.
Expect to see more multi-player games being called MMOs. Expect to see more console game reviews Expect to see more same racing chair reviews Expect to see more silly gadget reviews
OR
Maybe all MMO sites should remove the MMO from their name and change it stuff like;
kickstarterrpg.com
founderspackrpg.com
p2wrpg.com
lootboxrpg.com
perpetualalpharpg.com
whiteknightcultrpg.com
koreawontletusrpg.com
This is what the industry is offering. Blame the crumby developers and publishers for penny pinching and fiscally min-maxing the genre into near extinction while leaving media outlets to sort it out.
I do feel like MMORPG.com specifically can do more up to date, live reporting on certain games that they claim they play until whatever is meant to happen to the genre happens. Until then some of these youtuber opinion guys need to direct their energy towards the proper culprits.
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Lol, a clickbait video about clickbaiting, how painfully obvious.
Ohh, and I hate all of you, but where else could I go for my non MMO news?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
The logic of YT clickbait: He got 5-10k new subscribers recently, people in comments are thanking him "for opening their eyes" etc. Love is in the air!
So Youtubers are mistaking him opening his a*** for them opening their eyes, not the first time I am sure.
There are so few MMO's being developed or updated that it isn't tough to figure out what is an MMO and what isn't. You can memorize them easily. I skip over the non MMO items by using my brain...imagine that.
By which definition du jour? Oh, yours. Imagine that.
I don't need a definition to know what is an MMO...do you?
This thread is hilariously useless. This genre has so many more issues (no development of new games) than worrying about non MMO games being included on an MMO website. I wish we could be discussing the latest MMO being developed but we are here about a Youtuber making a completely pointless video about a non problem.
Someone points out that a bunch of websites want traffic? They intentionally post videos as clickbait? Well, he got my click thanks to this thread.
Welcome to the internet, buddy. Most grade school aged kids are awarer of this, having grown up with it. Do sane people actually still use the "I saw it on the internet!" argument?
Sounds like a whole lotta nuttin', to me...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Developers that promise features they know they can never implement properly, in a ridiculously low amount of time, and for a ridiculously low budget. They do so to entice us to “Crowdfund” (aka give them money). Literally hundreds of millions of dollars have been raised doing this. That is exponentially more money than all the mmorpg fan sites raise, even if you add them all up. And IMHO exponentially more damaging.
You won't find nearly the support for that idea that you find for this one. The most popular reasoning behind that seems to amount to "cause software development!"
On the one hand it's truly sad how much these fake mmo sites have watered down the acronym.
On the other hand mmo devs have delivered such garbage for the past decade, these sites literally have nothing to talk about. So it's either throw in the towel or pretend Diablo 3 news belongs here until something decent arrives.
Well, if you want to get picky...
Initialism...MMO is an initialism, not an acronym.
/endsubtlepoint
I have never heard of this distinction before....thanks for the grammatical tip.
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Some of you have no issue handing over money blindly to kickstarter projects, but if a website asks for money you're offended?
Wouldn't you have to show that those people who are "offended" with a site taking money also gave to kickstarter projects.
Also, I don't think anyone here is offended that sites make money with views/advertising. The few who do agree with the video creator's point of view are more likely to be upset with the changing definition of mmo.
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With the thousands of times I have seen people type, "Not a MMO" he kinda has a point.
His point is that sites are "lying" in order to get clicks and they are purposefully deceiving players by "mislabeling" games.
As opposed to the definition evolving, especially because game developers are also calling their games "mmo's" even if they don't fit the first definition.
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With the thousands of times I have seen people type, "Not a MMO" he kinda has a point.
His point is that sites are "lying" in order to get clicks and they are purposefully deceiving players by "mislabeling" games.
As opposed to the definition evolving, especially because game developers are also calling their games "mmo's" even if they don't fit the first definition.
Well I don't consider hearthstone, league of legends, overwatch, or world of tanks or dozens of other examples spread out over all the sites he covered MMOs at all.
Sorry but if it's just multiplayer it's not a MMO otherwise MMO is meaningless.
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"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
With the thousands of times I have seen people type, "Not a MMO" he kinda has a point.
His point is that sites are "lying" in order to get clicks and they are purposefully deceiving players by "mislabeling" games.
As opposed to the definition evolving, especially because game developers are also calling their games "mmo's" even if they don't fit the first definition.
Well I don't consider hearthstone, league of legends, overwatch, or world of tanks or dozens of other examples spread out over all the sites he covered MMOs at all.
Sorry but if it's just multiplayer it's not a MMO otherwise MMO is meaningless.
That's great. And I have no issue with that. I don't consider them mmo's either. I also don't care what they are called because that's just too nerdy for me.
But if their developers are calling them mmo's (and I don't know if those specific games are called mmo's by their developers) then one can take the fight to them (*insert rolled eyes here*) or roll with the punches, live with it and move on.
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With the thousands of times I have seen people type, "Not a MMO" he kinda has a point.
His point is that sites are "lying" in order to get clicks and they are purposefully deceiving players by "mislabeling" games.
As opposed to the definition evolving, especially because game developers are also calling their games "mmo's" even if they don't fit the first definition.
Well I don't consider hearthstone, league of legends, overwatch, or world of tanks or dozens of other examples spread out over all the sites he covered MMOs at all.
Sorry but if it's just multiplayer it's not a MMO otherwise MMO is meaningless.
That's great. And I have no issue with that. I don't consider them mmo's either. I also don't care what they are called because that's just too nerdy for me.
But if their developers are calling them mmo's (and I don't know if those specific games are called mmo's by their developers) then one can take the fight to them (*insert rolled eyes here*) or roll with the punches, live with it and move on.
Why roll eyes? Those developers can call them that for marketing, that's why we have journalists. To cut through the marketing BS and provide accuracy to us.
I'm cool with taking the other route if folks want: just discard MMO completely. Just call it multiplayer and be done with it. But my Spidey senses tell me, for all the bluster about not caring, most folks won't be down with discarding the useless acronym. Least of all the folks here at MMORPG.com.
With the thousands of times I have seen people type, "Not a MMO" he kinda has a point.
The second lamest part of his rant is that sites that have MMO in their name shouldn't cover anything but MMOs. The lamest part is that some games being labeled MMOs that he does not agree with are being mislabeled deliberately for profit.
None of us here are in 100% agreement on what is an MMO. We've gone around and around this topic for years. There are several games that Bill has included in his top 10 MMO lists that I don't consider MMOs (Path of Exile to name just one.) But that's a whole different discussion.
What this guy is doing is taking that to a ridiculous level and saying that there is a deliberate conspiracy to mislead for profit. That is not only bordering on clinical paranoia, it's dumb as hell since labeling something an MMO these days is more likely to hurt a game than help it.
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With the thousands of times I have seen people type, "Not a MMO" he kinda has a point.
His point is that sites are "lying" in order to get clicks and they are purposefully deceiving players by "mislabeling" games.
As opposed to the definition evolving, especially because game developers are also calling their games "mmo's" even if they don't fit the first definition.
Well I don't consider hearthstone, league of legends, overwatch, or world of tanks or dozens of other examples spread out over all the sites he covered MMOs at all.
Sorry but if it's just multiplayer it's not a MMO otherwise MMO is meaningless.
That's great. And I have no issue with that. I don't consider them mmo's either. I also don't care what they are called because that's just too nerdy for me.
But if their developers are calling them mmo's (and I don't know if those specific games are called mmo's by their developers) then one can take the fight to them (*insert rolled eyes here*) or roll with the punches, live with it and move on.
I get a magazine called the Radio Times, when it began in 1923 it only covered radio. Now it covers TV, films in the cinema, books, money, holiday travel, various puzzles and of course radio. It did not change its name, it did not need to or want to, it broadened its coverage just like MMORPG.com has.
There have been categorisation issues, but its a grey area what do you expect? I have no issues with WoT being on the site, they call it an Action MMO, not ideal but a good enough category.
I am here for the MMOs, the MMO like games, the RPG reviews, the hardware reviews. But if Suzie wants to fly of somewhere and do a travel article I am not going to be posting to say "That is not a MMO".
Yep, saw that video and thought, we all know this but the sites will never admit or own up to it. It's really quite a shame at some of the crap they promote.
Wow for some reason i'm surprised to see this video posted here.
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Take this one and pair it with my previous "subtle post" and I've just explained the entire argument over what is and what is not an MMO.
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Can't really blame the folks who run MMORPG sites for the gap between consoles and PC shrinking.
Expect to see more multi-player games being called MMOs.
Expect to see more console game reviews
Expect to see more same racing chair reviews
Expect to see more silly gadget reviews
OR
Maybe all MMO sites should remove the MMO from their name and change it stuff like;
This is what the industry is offering. Blame the crumby developers and publishers for penny pinching and fiscally min-maxing the genre into near extinction while leaving media outlets to sort it out.
I do feel like MMORPG.com specifically can do more up to date, live reporting on certain games that they claim they play until whatever is meant to happen to the genre happens. Until then some of these youtuber opinion guys need to direct their energy towards the proper culprits.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So Youtubers are mistaking him opening his a*** for them opening their eyes, not the first time I am sure.
This thread is hilariously useless. This genre has so many more issues (no development of new games) than worrying about non MMO games being included on an MMO website. I wish we could be discussing the latest MMO being developed but we are here about a Youtuber making a completely pointless video about a non problem.
Someone points out that a bunch of websites want traffic? They intentionally post videos as clickbait? Well, he got my click thanks to this thread.
Welcome to the internet, buddy. Most grade school aged kids are awarer of this, having grown up with it. Do sane people actually still use the "I saw it on the internet!" argument?
Sounds like a whole lotta nuttin', to me...
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
His tears over the "unfairness" of it all was priceless.
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"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/Also, I don't think anyone here is offended that sites make money with views/advertising. The few who do agree with the video creator's point of view are more likely to be upset with the changing definition of mmo.
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As opposed to the definition evolving, especially because game developers are also calling their games "mmo's" even if they don't fit the first definition.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
... yet he is promoting drama for clicks.
I will not feed my clicks to such videos.
Sorry but if it's just multiplayer it's not a MMO otherwise MMO is meaningless.
"classification of games into MMOs is not by rational reasoning" - nariusseldon
Love Minecraft. And check out my Youtube channel OhCanadaGamer
Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/But if their developers are calling them mmo's (and I don't know if those specific games are called mmo's by their developers) then one can take the fight to them (*insert rolled eyes here*) or roll with the punches, live with it and move on.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I'm cool with taking the other route if folks want: just discard MMO completely. Just call it multiplayer and be done with it. But my Spidey senses tell me, for all the bluster about not caring, most folks won't be down with discarding the useless acronym. Least of all the folks here at MMORPG.com.
None of us here are in 100% agreement on what is an MMO. We've gone around and around this topic for years. There are several games that Bill has included in his top 10 MMO lists that I don't consider MMOs (Path of Exile to name just one.) But that's a whole different discussion.
What this guy is doing is taking that to a ridiculous level and saying that there is a deliberate conspiracy to mislead for profit. That is not only bordering on clinical paranoia, it's dumb as hell since labeling something an MMO these days is more likely to hurt a game than help it.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
There have been categorisation issues, but its a grey area what do you expect? I have no issues with WoT being on the site, they call it an Action MMO, not ideal but a good enough category.
I am here for the MMOs, the MMO like games, the RPG reviews, the hardware reviews. But if Suzie wants to fly of somewhere and do a travel article I am not going to be posting to say "That is not a MMO".