Eaglance Inc. Announces Launch of Kickstarter for 'Hardcore Medieval MMO' - The Flower of Knighthoo

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Eaglance Inc. Announces Launch of Kickstarter for 'Hardcore Medieval MMO' - The Flower of Knighthood - MMORPG.com

The Flower of Knighthood News - Eaglance Inc. has sent word that it has officially started the KickStarter campaign for its hardcore medieval MMORPG, The Flower of Knighthood. The goal is to raise $600,000 in the next month in order to fund the development of the game that lets players "immerse themselves in the atmosphere of Europe's mid-fourteenth to early fifteenth centuries...based on a concept of maximum realism and historical accuracy in gameplay".

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Wellspring

Way too little information available about this project to instill any confidence in its success.

Almost nothing about the team, except the creator's name "Ivan Usenko" and a general statement about the team having "vast" experience in game development (one of which has 21+ years experience).

Kyleran

So a slightly different take on Life is Feudal with realistic crafting like is being planned for COE.

All they need now is a BR arena and they'll be complete on borrowing the latest popular features.

Vrika

Yet another Kickstarter that tries to do a 10 million game with 600 000 funding, and advertise an experienced team without revealing their any of their names, games they've worked on, or prior positions.

MadCoderOne

no thanks

Panther2103

This gives me Mortal Online vibes but as a kickstarter with LIF combat / setting. As previous people said, there is absolutely no information on the page other than one model doing a couple of swings, and constant pictures of the background in the game with some generic UE lighting effects and a guy in a mocap suit. I see what they want to do, but they have almost nothing from what I can tell. Hopefully if this is a real thing, and not a cash grab, they can succeed even without kickstarter. I would love an MMORPG like this, but at the same time, nobody has been able to successfully do a medieval MMO since DAOC.

Asheram

Noty I will stick with Mount & Blade and Gloria Victis.

Mendel

I'm personally glad to see that there is a healthy burst of skepticism about this project.  Don't tell me you want money until you have a game ready to go.  It keeps expectations in check.

Edit:  The name sounded familiar, so I did a quick bit of research.  I wonder if Dr. Stephen Mileson is actually involved with this, or they merely read some of his works.  From what I can see, Mileson is more noted for thinking about land usage in medieval times.  I don't see any specific things about crafting, but that doesn't mean the man doesn't know or have interesting ideas about crafting.  But quite a good resume.

AnOldFart

Never trust a guy that looks like a B movie Dracula...

besides followed CoE, nearly pldged then figured out it's prob a con. Not going to do the same here.
But then again they have more done than CoE when the KS was announced at least 

Vrika

Mendel said:

Edit:  The name sounded familiar, so I did a quick bit of research.  I wonder if Dr. Stephen Mileson is actually involved with this, or they merely read some of his works.  From what I can see, Mileson is more noted for thinking about land usage in medieval times.  I don't see any specific things about crafting, but that doesn't mean the man doesn't know or have interesting ideas about crafting.  But quite a good resume.

Some googling tells us that he's consulting them:
  https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/84etr5/discussionkingdom_come_deliverance_mmorpg_will/

It's a good resume, but buying a history professor to consult you and so that you can use their name in Kickstarter doesn't tell us anything about who are the people who plan to do full-time work on this game.

Mendel

Vrika said:

Mendel said:

Edit:  The name sounded familiar, so I did a quick bit of research.  I wonder if Dr. Stephen Mileson is actually involved with this, or they merely read some of his works.  From what I can see, Mileson is more noted for thinking about land usage in medieval times.  I don't see any specific things about crafting, but that doesn't mean the man doesn't know or have interesting ideas about crafting.  But quite a good resume.

Some googling tells us that he's consulting them:
  https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/84etr5/discussionkingdom_come_deliverance_mmorpg_will/

It's a good resume, but buying a history professor to consult you and so that you can use their name in Kickstarter doesn't tell us anything about who are the people who plan to do full-time work on this game.

Very true.  Good research and factual information doesn't equal a good abstraction or quality implementation.  So much can go wrong just trying to make a model of a process.  They might be using historical experts for their sources, but who is going to translate that knowledge into a virtual system will make or break the success.

Kyleran

Mendel said:

Vrika said:

Mendel said:

Edit:  The name sounded familiar, so I did a quick bit of research.  I wonder if Dr. Stephen Mileson is actually involved with this, or they merely read some of his works.  From what I can see, Mileson is more noted for thinking about land usage in medieval times.  I don't see any specific things about crafting, but that doesn't mean the man doesn't know or have interesting ideas about crafting.  But quite a good resume.

Some googling tells us that he's consulting them:
  https://www.reddit.com/r/MMORPG/comments/84etr5/discussionkingdom_come_deliverance_mmorpg_will/

It's a good resume, but buying a history professor to consult you and so that you can use their name in Kickstarter doesn't tell us anything about who are the people who plan to do full-time work on this game.

Very true.  Good research and factual information doesn't equal a good abstraction or quality implementation.  So much can go wrong just trying to make a model of a process.  They might be using historical experts for their sources, but who is going to translate that knowledge into a virtual system will make or break the success.

Agreed, I've watched people thread chainmail at Ren Fairs and while quite tedious and challenging, no way do I want to simulate that in an online world.

lahnmir

Ohh man, awesome!! Where could this possibly go wrong?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Panther2103

lahnmir said:

Ohh man, awesome!! Where could this possibly go wrong?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Nowhere, it's a solid 100% going to be made by 2020 and will be the BEST MMORPG we have ever seen, with all of the information they are providing. 

Kyleran

Panther2103 said:

lahnmir said:

Ohh man, awesome!! Where could this possibly go wrong?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Nowhere, it's a solid 100% going to be made by 2020 and will be the BEST MMORPG we have ever seen, with all of the information they are providing. 

Absolutely no P2W either, for sure. 

k61977

So lets do a kickstarter with an amount that is no where realistic. Really wish they would just stop already with this type of crap. If you are trying to make your game an MMO you better be bringing the big bucks to do it. Hell even a game made back in 2004 timeline, really before that, World of Warcraft cost upward of $200 million to make. So let's just forget about inflation, what people expect of a modern MMO, ect...and throw out some low balled trash number so we can get someone to pay our personal bills while we say we are working on a game that will never be finished for that amount.

Panther2103

Kyleran said:

Panther2103 said:

lahnmir said:

Ohh man, awesome!! Where could this possibly go wrong?

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Nowhere, it's a solid 100% going to be made by 2020 and will be the BEST MMORPG we have ever seen, with all of the information they are providing. 

Absolutely no P2W either, for sure. 

How could they possibly have P2W, there was no P2W in the Medieval times, only monthly subscriptions of 15$

Sabrac

$600,000 seems like too little for a MMO considering that they cost several millions to make and armies of 1,000 people? thats very ambitious to say the least.

I don't wanna sound pesimist but this project raises many red flags to me.

Wellspring

Sabrac said:

$600,000 seems like too little for a MMO considering that they cost several millions to make and armies of 1,000 people? thats very ambitious to say the least.

I don't wanna sound pesimist but this project raises many red flags to me.

At least they give an accurate preview of the framerate to expect...

Aeander

Well, they managed one thing. They've created an even less appealing Kickstarter MMO than CoE, and that's an achievement.

Alomar

Just merge with the Gloria Victis team and finish/add-onto that game.

blamo2000

What is said looks good but can be twisted and spun into any type of game. I hope it ends up being an actual mmorpg with real mmorpg stuff, but I have a creeping suspicion it is going to be a crafting game that people call survival games for no coherent reason. Or a MOBA. Or a kid's game with no rpg mechanics, or such sophomoric rpg mechanics, that they may as well not include them as they don't matter, yet will be praised by the masses as being majestic because they are so deep they are "hidden" and "under the hood" and other meaningless platitudes that make adults feel better about playing children's games devoid of any and all complexity. I really hope I'm wrong and have to eat my words.

Iselin

I have a feeling a lot of white knights are about to be deflowered. 

mgilbrtsn

timeframe is a bit full right now.  With Gloria Victis, Black Death, and LiF,  I think a different time period might work better.

SpottyGekko

Yet another hardcore PVP-based medieval MMO ?

The field is getting a little bit crowded, lol

I wonder how all these games are going to survive, they all seem to be chasing the same tiny niche audience...

Asheram

Too bad that Mount & Blade Bannerlord is going to make all these medieval games irrelevant when it releases in 2077. Though its not an mmo per say modders will most likely create something close to one with it.