Just wondering, but I wonder whether people will also be heated at those guys that seem to hold SBS in good light 24/7. You know, the high-rollers. To me, I know the whales will be pissed, but will the fishies blame the whales for shutting down criticism?
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I like their monthly updates (or the lack thereof). Shows me the blatant disrespect they have lmfao
I think it speaks to a very distinct lack of coherent leadership and accountability. They've over-promised and under-delivered at every stage so far and they do not acknowledge that fact at all. I think it's going to be a very rude awakening for all involved when 2019 comes and goes with very little to show for it.
Just wondering, but I wonder whether people will also be heated at those guys that seem to hold SBS in good light 24/7. You know, the high-rollers. To me, I know the whales will be pissed, but will the fishies blame the whales for shutting down criticism?
I think it's a tough pill to swallow when you've invested 1k+ and up to 20k and things are failing to turn out as promised. I don't think we can blame them for their relentless optimism, they literally have thousands of dollars riding on this. Does it make their bad attitude towards doubters, realists and people with honest questions right? Of course not, but I think we can all understand why these "high-rollers" don't want to hear any criticism and empathize a little even if it is sad to witness.
Just wondering, but I wonder whether people will also be heated at those guys that seem to hold SBS in good light 24/7. You know, the high-rollers. To me, I know the whales will be pissed, but will the fishies blame the whales for shutting down criticism?
No. The credit, good or bad, rests squarely with SBS and its leadership team.
All of the subsequent actions of the community are just a reflection of that leadership.
I like their monthly updates (or the lack thereof). Shows me the blatant disrespect they have lmfao
I think it speaks to a very distinct lack of coherent leadership and accountability. They've over-promised and under-delivered at every stage so far and they do not acknowledge that fact at all. I think it's going to be a very rude awakening for all involved when 2019 comes and goes with very little to show for it.
Why should 2019 be any different than 2018... or 2017 when the game was supposed to launch?
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Just wondering, but I wonder whether people will also be heated at those guys that seem to hold SBS in good light 24/7. You know, the high-rollers. To me, I know the whales will be pissed, but will the fishies blame the whales for shutting down criticism?
No. The credit, good or bad, rests squarely with SBS and its leadership team.
All of the subsequent actions of the community are just a reflection of that leadership.
That seems odd. You're disconnecting the crowd from the play; the critic from the work.
I'm not saying the blame rests solely on the community, but CoE has hundreds if not thousands listening to their respective kings and other high-rollers. I think if the game ever failed, the high-rollers who always shut down criticism and/or questions regarding the progress of the game are gonna get some nasty discord PMs. That's just me though, you could be right.
Dunno. Seems like even the diehards are starting to lose their fervor. Their posting has been waaaaay down. Not just here but at most sites.
I think it all ties in to the OP.
Just wondering, was there any point in time where you thought "This is going to succeed". I'm just curious since you did end up backing the game at point.
I'm also wondering if the game can still succeed as advertised even if it takes much longer than originally expected.
Dunno. Seems like even the diehards are starting to lose their fervor. Their posting has been waaaaay down. Not just here but at most sites.
I think it all ties in to the OP.
Just wondering, was there any point in time where you thought "This is going to succeed". I'm just curious since you did end up backing the game at point.
I'm also wondering if the game can still succeed as advertised even if it takes much longer than originally expected.
Not a backer. Was interested through the Kickstarter but did not like Caspien's dismissive attitude.
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Just wondering, but I wonder whether people will also be heated at those guys that seem to hold SBS in good light 24/7. You know, the high-rollers. To me, I know the whales will be pissed, but will the fishies blame the whales for shutting down criticism?
No. The credit, good or bad, rests squarely with SBS and its leadership team.
All of the subsequent actions of the community are just a reflection of that leadership.
That seems odd. You're disconnecting the crowd from the play; the critic from the work.
I'm not saying the blame rests solely on the community, but CoE has hundreds if not thousands listening to their respective kings and other high-rollers. I think if the game ever failed, the high-rollers who always shut down criticism and/or questions regarding the progress of the game are gonna get some nasty discord PMs. That's just me though, you could be right.
Perhaps some people will blame the high level backers.
For me though, if the fans are shutting down criticism and that somehow results in the game's demise, it would still be SBS with the ultimate blame (or glory, should the game succeed).
SBS and its leadership foster the community that they want to have. They've created an environment that gives more weight to the opinions of Kings and nobility. They've expressed on at least one occasion how they'd like their backers to approach criticism and not to engage on the unwinable P2W argument.
The fans are only following the example SBS leadership has set, which historically they've been very dismissive towards criticism themselves.
Like the quote from the movie Remember the Titans, "Action reflects leadership."
Dunno. Seems like even the diehards are starting to lose their fervor. Their posting has been waaaaay down. Not just here but at most sites.
I think it all ties in to the OP.
Just wondering, was there any point in time where you thought "This is going to succeed". I'm just curious since you did end up backing the game at point.
I'm also wondering if the game can still succeed as advertised even if it takes much longer than originally expected.
Not a backer. Was interested through the Kickstarter but did not like Caspien's dismissive attitude.
Just confirmed the main reason for Alpha I being removed was because they have reached the desired number of testers for that phase.
And per the quote someone was gracious enough to post for me, in reference to the removal of Alpha I it says: "Note Caspian said: "It may or may not return before Alpha I later this year, but will not return before Pre-Alpha begins."
If they already have the desired number of testers how can he say it may return?
More likely... as demonstrated repeatedly... they are attempting to make it “scarce” and increase the desirability. I would bet the house that just before Alpha 1 (or right after it starts) they will have a last chance sale out of the goodness of their hearts to allow people the opportunity to be a part of the momentous occassion. Likely accompanied by some “Lore” piece that describes the Dawn of Mann or something.
Just confirmed the main reason for Alpha I being removed was because they have reached the desired number of testers for that phase.
And per the quote someone was gracious enough to post for me, in reference to the removal of Alpha I it says: "Note Caspian said: "It may or may not return before Alpha I later this year, but will not return before Pre-Alpha begins."
If they already have the desired number of testers how can he say it may return?
More likely... as demonstrated repeatedly... they are attempting to make it “scarce” and increase the desirability. I would bet the house that just before Alpha 1 (or right after it starts) they will have a last chance sale out of the goodness of their hearts to allow people the opportunity to be a part of the momentous occassion. Likely accompanied by some “Lore” piece that describes the Dawn of Mann or something.
So pretty much standard marketing. Shock horror.
There is a pretty blatant flaw there. What if there never is an Alpha 1? That still seems the most likely outcome to me. Another collapsed project with Caspian back on the job market.
Just confirmed the main reason for Alpha I being removed was because they have reached the desired number of testers for that phase.
And per the quote someone was gracious enough to post for me, in reference to the removal of Alpha I it says: "Note Caspian said: "It may or may not return before Alpha I later this year, but will not return before Pre-Alpha begins."
If they already have the desired number of testers how can he say it may return?
More likely... as demonstrated repeatedly... they are attempting to make it “scarce” and increase the desirability. I would bet the house that just before Alpha 1 (or right after it starts) they will have a last chance sale out of the goodness of their hearts to allow people the opportunity to be a part of the momentous occassion. Likely accompanied by some “Lore” piece that describes the Dawn of Mann or something.
So pretty much standard marketing. Shock horror.
There is a pretty blatant flaw there. What if there never is an Alpha 1? That still seems the most likely outcome to me. Another collapsed project with Caspian back on the job market.
Oh they will make Alpha 1. I mean, the terms have no meaning any longer so they will eventually throw something up and of course put it under heavy NDA. Then we will have the accompanying ALPHA sale!!!
I think the most interesting development was that they recently stated you can now buy things from the store and hold them until after launch to use them. That clearly takes away the whole "Pay to Build" red herring. I'm shocked (not really) why nobody has called them on that.
I think it opens them up to keeping the store open after launch, which honestly is the only way I see them ever having funding.
I think it’s all tied into the funding fatigue. They need more money.
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Just confirmed the main reason for Alpha I being removed was because they have reached the desired number of testers for that phase.
And per the quote someone was gracious enough to post for me, in reference to the removal of Alpha I it says: "Note Caspian said: "It may or may not return before Alpha I later this year, but will not return before Pre-Alpha begins."
If they already have the desired number of testers how can he say it may return?
More likely... as demonstrated repeatedly... they are attempting to make it “scarce” and increase the desirability. I would bet the house that just before Alpha 1 (or right after it starts) they will have a last chance sale out of the goodness of their hearts to allow people the opportunity to be a part of the momentous occassion. Likely accompanied by some “Lore” piece that describes the Dawn of Mann or something.
So pretty much standard marketing. Shock horror.
There is a pretty blatant flaw there. What if there never is an Alpha 1? That still seems the most likely outcome to me. Another collapsed project with Caspian back on the job market.
Oh they will make Alpha 1. I mean, the terms have no meaning any longer so they will eventually throw something up and of course put it under heavy NDA. Then we will have the accompanying ALPHA sale!!!
I think the most interesting development was that they recently stated you can now buy things from the store and hold them until after launch to use them. That clearly takes away the whole "Pay to Build" red herring. I'm shocked (not really) why nobody has called them on that.
I think it opens them up to keeping the store open after launch, which honestly is the only way I see them ever having funding.
I think it’s all tied into the funding fatigue. They need more money.
I think its a bit of a given, they and every other indie MMORPG effort needs more money to deliver.
Until outside investors are onboard the only revenue "well" is additional crowdfunding to which games like SotA, SC and others have proven its quite possible to do.
So yes, I expect to see monthly offerings of new products to continue keeping the money flowing in.
Their cause would be greatly helped if they had some concrete game play they could show backers which I assume is a top priority.
Well, at least 2nd on the list following the marketing / fundraising team.
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Just confirmed the main reason for Alpha I being removed was because they have reached the desired number of testers for that phase.
And per the quote someone was gracious enough to post for me, in reference to the removal of Alpha I it says: "Note Caspian said: "It may or may not return before Alpha I later this year, but will not return before Pre-Alpha begins."
If they already have the desired number of testers how can he say it may return?
More likely... as demonstrated repeatedly... they are attempting to make it “scarce” and increase the desirability. I would bet the house that just before Alpha 1 (or right after it starts) they will have a last chance sale out of the goodness of their hearts to allow people the opportunity to be a part of the momentous occassion. Likely accompanied by some “Lore” piece that describes the Dawn of Mann or something.
So pretty much standard marketing. Shock horror.
There is a pretty blatant flaw there. What if there never is an Alpha 1? That still seems the most likely outcome to me. Another collapsed project with Caspian back on the job market.
Oh they will make Alpha 1. I mean, the terms have no meaning any longer so they will eventually throw something up and of course put it under heavy NDA. Then we will have the accompanying ALPHA sale!!!
I think the most interesting development was that they recently stated you can now buy things from the store and hold them until after launch to use them. That clearly takes away the whole "Pay to Build" red herring. I'm shocked (not really) why nobody has called them on that.
I think it opens them up to keeping the store open after launch, which honestly is the only way I see them ever having funding.
I think it’s all tied into the funding fatigue. They need more money.
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Insightful as always. Got no game to talk about so make the issue other posters...
/sigh
At least we have a few months promised before the next enlightening post.
And for the record, the game is not just "unfinished". It's not shown much or any progress in an entire year and its funding seems more and more desperate each month.
Feel free to explain why that's wrong next time instead of calling other posters douche bags.
Or maybe talk about how you feel about the new declaration that store-bought items can be held and used after launch as opposed to the originally promised "Pay to Build"?
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I think the Return of the Nobility Class Sale could have come from people bailing on the game and demanding a refund, after all, if they do refund/cancel the package, they have every right to sell it to someone else.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I think the Return of the Nobility Class Sale could have come from people bailing on the game and demanding a refund, after all, if they do refund/cancel the package, they have every right to sell it to someone else.
As they can have up to 2000 Counts per server... I see no correlation between the two. They never hit the limit in the first place.
Do you know how many people of "nobility" level have demanded a refund?
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It really doesn't take much to come up with features/mechanics that sound good on paper, I just don't know why people are so eager to throw money at "developers" that have yet to show they can actually develop something.
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All of the subsequent actions of the community are just a reflection of that leadership.
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I think it all ties in to the OP.
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For me though, if the fans are shutting down criticism and that somehow results in the game's demise, it would still be SBS with the ultimate blame (or glory, should the game succeed).
SBS and its leadership foster the community that they want to have. They've created an environment that gives more weight to the opinions of Kings and nobility. They've expressed on at least one occasion how they'd like their backers to approach criticism and not to engage on the unwinable P2W argument.
The fans are only following the example SBS leadership has set, which historically they've been very dismissive towards criticism themselves.
Like the quote from the movie Remember the Titans, "Action reflects leadership."
I think the most interesting development was that they recently stated you can now buy things from the store and hold them until after launch to use them. That clearly takes away the whole "Pay to Build" red herring. I'm shocked (not really) why nobody has called them on that.
I think it opens them up to keeping the store open after launch, which honestly is the only way I see them ever having funding.
I think it’s all tied into the funding fatigue. They need more money.
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Until outside investors are onboard the only revenue "well" is additional crowdfunding to which games like SotA, SC and others have proven its quite possible to do.
So yes, I expect to see monthly offerings of new products to continue keeping the money flowing in.
Their cause would be greatly helped if they had some concrete game play they could show backers which I assume is a top priority.
Well, at least 2nd on the list following the marketing / fundraising team.
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/sigh
At least we have a few months promised before the next enlightening post.
And for the record, the game is not just "unfinished". It's not shown much or any progress in an entire year and its funding seems more and more desperate each month.
Feel free to explain why that's wrong next time instead of calling other posters douche bags.
Or maybe talk about how you feel about the new declaration that store-bought items can be held and used after launch as opposed to the originally promised "Pay to Build"?
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I think the Return of the Nobility Class Sale could have come from people bailing on the game and demanding a refund, after all, if they do refund/cancel the package, they have every right to sell it to someone else.
Do you know how many people of "nobility" level have demanded a refund?
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