@Mikeha you sure have the subtlety of a hammer but I guess you made your point.
It won't make much difference because the definition of sandbox seems to be different depending on who were are talking to.
I could keep going.
Or would you like us to point out every game that Steam and its Ilk have labeled wrong or when PCgamer labels games like Warhammer as the savior of MMOgaming for ex..
For ex .. asking Steam to filter to RPGs brings us this wonderful list ... lmfao
And as far as PCgamer goes , i invested in them in 94 , one it was a good reputable mag , I sold those holdings in hmm was 06 ,07 when it became very obvious they sold there ingretity to review games favorably , for the $
I did not post anything from STEAM.
Says Steam , you posted it ...and the point stands all these venues mislabel games all the time , This is a shining example
Thats from Wikipedia. Prove that the game is mislabeled.
Yes , its from Wiki , which is referencing Steam rating and description ..
@Mikeha you sure have the subtlety of a hammer but I guess you made your point.
It won't make much difference because the definition of sandbox seems to be different depending on who were are talking to.
I could keep going.
Or would you like us to point out every game that Steam and its Ilk have labeled wrong or when PCgamer labels games like Warhammer as the savior of MMOgaming for ex..
For ex .. asking Steam to filter to RPGs brings us this wonderful list ... lmfao
And as far as PCgamer goes , i invested in them in 94 , one it was a good reputable mag , I sold those holdings in hmm was 06 ,07 when it became very obvious they sold there ingretity to review games favorably , for the $
I did not post anything from STEAM.
Says Steam , you posted it ...and the point stands all these venues mislabel games all the time , This is a shining example
Thats from Wikipedia. Prove that the game is mislabeled.
Yes , its from Wiki , which is referencing Steam rating and description ..
nuff said .... Steam is not credible in these reagards
Its not referencing STEAMs description. Its only showing the rating from STEAM. This was up way before the game even released on STEAM. Again, this is from Wikipedia.
I know the ego of gamers will never let them admit when they are wrong, but if a ton of Professional Publications about games, is disagreeing with your personal feels on what is or is not a sandbox MMO,. maybe it's time to consider that your personal feels might be wrong.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
@Mikeha you sure have the subtlety of a hammer but I guess you made your point.
It won't make much difference because the definition of sandbox seems to be different depending on who were are talking to.
I could keep going.
The same thing repeated doesn't make it true however. BDO is a good game but it is a themepark game, it does have some features that you often find in sandbox games, but only a few and at its heart it is still a level based themepark experience. If you use the map function in BDO it clearly shows the level of the areas, this is the very definition of a themepark.
Source?
my source is BDO, launch game, while in game press M this brings up the map, it clearly says the level of the areas, quite helpfully i might add.
@Mikeha you sure have the subtlety of a hammer but I guess you made your point.
It won't make much difference because the definition of sandbox seems to be different depending on who were are talking to.
I could keep going.
The same thing repeated doesn't make it true however. BDO is a good game but it is a themepark game, it does have some features that you often find in sandbox games, but only a few and at its heart it is still a level based themepark experience. If you use the map function in BDO it clearly shows the level of the areas, this is the very definition of a themepark.
Source?
my source is BDO, launch game, while in game press M this brings up the map, it clearly says the level of the areas, quite helpfully i might add.
Then show a source that says levels on a map means a game is not a sandbox. LMAO
Thats probably the most silly reason I have ever heard. So when the game came out it was a Sandbox because the map did not even have that but when they added the levels of areas on the map it then change the game from being a Sandbox? /SMH
FFXI isn't a PVE sandbox? Since you're mentioning old school....It plays more like a co-op game now but at least your investment isn't wasted in terms of what you do. Even if you're doing say your artifact stuff from level 50-60 it'll still be useful when you hit 99 due to the upgrade systems in the game. So honestly, there's hardly anything you can do in the game that will waste your time overall.
@Mikeha you sure have the subtlety of a hammer but I guess you made your point.
It won't make much difference because the definition of sandbox seems to be different depending on who were are talking to.
I could keep going.
The same thing repeated doesn't make it true however. BDO is a good game but it is a themepark game, it does have some features that you often find in sandbox games, but only a few and at its heart it is still a level based themepark experience. If you use the map function in BDO it clearly shows the level of the areas, this is the very definition of a themepark.
Source?
my source is BDO, launch game, while in game press M this brings up the map, it clearly says the level of the areas, quite helpfully i might add.
Then show a source that says levels on a map means a game is not a sandbox. LMAO
Thats probably the most silly reason I have ever heard. So when the game came out it was a Sandbox because the map did not even have that but when they added the levels of areas on the map it then change the game from being a Sandbox? /SMH
Because they don't exist in a sandbox game, now, tell me what level your Eve Character is, and what systems are level based again?
Holy crap all of these arguments against it being a sandbox. There's no definition for what makes a sandbox. Everyone has different ideas. I would consider it a sandbox just because it lets you do what you want, when you want. But I mean based on arguments I've seen around these forums Xsyon and Wurm would be the only real sandbox games.
No matter how many sites state that BDO is a sandbox MMO, it still wont change the fact that it isnt
If its a FACT then prove it. All I see are peoples saying its not a sandbox because THEY don't think it is.
I am posting sources from mmo websites and media outlets that cover the genre and they are saying its a Sandbox game.
Here is Meta Critic. The #1 review site on the internet.
Nope - -media and review sites are opinions not facts
Here is how facts work - you start with a definion:
Define sandbox game:
"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will."
@Mikeha you sure have the subtlety of a hammer but I guess you made your point.
It won't make much difference because the definition of sandbox seems to be different depending on who were are talking to.
I could keep going.
Or would you like us to point out every game that Steam and its Ilk have labeled wrong or when PCgamer labels games like Warhammer as the savior of MMOgaming for ex..
For ex .. asking Steam to filter to RPGs brings us this wonderful list ... lmfao
And as far as PCgamer goes , i invested in them in 94 , one it was a good reputable mag , I sold those holdings in hmm was 06 ,07 when it became very obvious they sold there ingretity to review games favorably , for the $
I did not post anything from STEAM.
Says Steam , you posted it ...and the point stands all these venues mislabel games all the time , This is a shining example
Thats from Wikipedia. Prove that the game is mislabeled.
Yes , its from Wiki , which is referencing Steam rating and description ..
nuff said .... Steam is not credible in these reagards
Its not referencing STEAMs description. Its only showing the rating from STEAM. This was up way before the game even released on STEAM. Again, this is from Wikipedia.
Umm you posted(which you said you did not , that has been shown , Your source is using Steams Rating and Symbol as a reference to its information ..(the 6/10 is a good rating , ill agree with that)
And as has been shown Steam has no credibiltiy when it comes to Labeling games as does anyone who uses there System as a point of reference , It has 0 credibilty .. In these regards .. Did you look at how they Label RPG , the link i provided .. Shit isnt it ..
You are trying to hard ..
And BDO is more of a Litterbox ..
Its PVE is Shit
Its RNG gear progression is Shit
Its PVP is shit
Its Economy is Shit
That broken toothed turd that pops up to guide you from area to area by the nose is shit ( and sandboxes do not do this .. DO they )
Yes the Map being tiered to Levels also .. is not indicative of a sandbox .. Show me another Sandbox that does this ..They dont Sandboxes do Not have Tiered areas ...
@Mikeha you sure have the subtlety of a hammer but I guess you made your point.
It won't make much difference because the definition of sandbox seems to be different depending on who were are talking to.
I could keep going.
The same thing repeated doesn't make it true however. BDO is a good game but it is a themepark game, it does have some features that you often find in sandbox games, but only a few and at its heart it is still a level based themepark experience. If you use the map function in BDO it clearly shows the level of the areas, this is the very definition of a themepark.
Source?
my source is BDO, launch game, while in game press M this brings up the map, it clearly says the level of the areas, quite helpfully i might add.
Then show a source that says levels on a map means a game is not a sandbox. LMAO
Thats probably the most silly reason I have ever heard. So when the game came out it was a Sandbox because the map did not even have that but when they added the levels of areas on the map it then change the game from being a Sandbox? /SMH
Because they don't exist in a sandbox game, now, tell me what level your Eve Character is, and what systems are level based again?
I don't play Eve so I have no idea but saying because Black Desert has something Eve does not means Black Desert is not a sandbox game is still silly.
How does Eve determine what a Sandbox game is? I am sure every sandbox game has something others don't have.
No matter how many sites state that BDO is a sandbox MMO, it still wont change the fact that it isnt
If its a FACT then prove it. All I see are peoples saying its not a sandbox because THEY don't think it is.
I am posting sources from mmo websites and media outlets that cover the genre and they are saying its a Sandbox game.
Here is Meta Critic. The #1 review site on the internet.
Nope - -media and review sites are opinions not facts
Here is how facts work - you start with a definion:
Define sandbox game:
"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will."
Does BDO fit that definion?
It doesnt.
So BDO is not a sandbox game.
Simple, isnt it?
Nope, its just more of what you think. LOL
One of the defining features of a Themepark MMO is the level based areas that the players must play through as they progress in the game, its something that is not present in sandbox MMO's, the last example of which was probably SWG Pre-CU, though the evolution of SWG was that of a sandbox MMO that was converted into a themepark MMO, via the introduction of levels and level based areas. Its one of, if not the most obvious way in which a themepark game is defined as such.
@Mikeha you sure have the subtlety of a hammer but I guess you made your point.
It won't make much difference because the definition of sandbox seems to be different depending on who were are talking to.
I could keep going.
Or would you like us to point out every game that Steam and its Ilk have labeled wrong or when PCgamer labels games like Warhammer as the savior of MMOgaming for ex..
For ex .. asking Steam to filter to RPGs brings us this wonderful list ... lmfao
And as far as PCgamer goes , i invested in them in 94 , one it was a good reputable mag , I sold those holdings in hmm was 06 ,07 when it became very obvious they sold there ingretity to review games favorably , for the $
I did not post anything from STEAM.
Says Steam , you posted it ...and the point stands all these venues mislabel games all the time , This is a shining example
Thats from Wikipedia. Prove that the game is mislabeled.
Yes , its from Wiki , which is referencing Steam rating and description ..
nuff said .... Steam is not credible in these reagards
Its not referencing STEAMs description. Its only showing the rating from STEAM. This was up way before the game even released on STEAM. Again, this is from Wikipedia.
And as has been shown Steam has no credibiltiy when it comes to Labeling games as does anyone who uses there System as a point of reference , It has 0 credibilty .. In these regards .. Did you look at how they Label RPG , the link i provided .. Shit isnt it ..
You are trying to hard ..
You keep talking about STEAM labeling games but I have not used STEAM as a reference once.
No, I am not trying to hard. Its actually been pretty easy.
No matter how many sites state that BDO is a sandbox MMO, it still wont change the fact that it isnt
If its a FACT then prove it. All I see are peoples saying its not a sandbox because THEY don't think it is.
I am posting sources from mmo websites and media outlets that cover the genre and they are saying its a Sandbox game.
Here is Meta Critic. The #1 review site on the internet.
Nope - -media and review sites are opinions not facts
Here is how facts work - you start with a definion:
Define sandbox game:
"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will."
Does BDO fit that definion?
It doesnt.
So BDO is not a sandbox game.
Simple, isnt it?
Nope, its just more of what you think. LOL
/sadcringe
Instead of refuting the content posted, you resort to a weak ad-hominem of my thinking being at fault.
Typical.
You have to prove my sources wrong. You posted a definition with no source to that definition and asked me does it fit? LOL
Thats not how it works, you have to explain how Black Desert Online does not fit your definition.
No matter how many sites state that BDO is a sandbox MMO, it still wont change the fact that it isnt
If its a FACT then prove it. All I see are peoples saying its not a sandbox because THEY don't think it is.
I am posting sources from mmo websites and media outlets that cover the genre and they are saying its a Sandbox game.
Here is Meta Critic. The #1 review site on the internet.
Nope - -media and review sites are opinions not facts
Here is how facts work - you start with a definion:
Define sandbox game:
"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will."
Does BDO fit that definion?
It doesnt.
So BDO is not a sandbox game.
Simple, isnt it?
Nope, its just more of what you think. LOL
/sadcringe
Instead of refuting the content posted, you resort to a weak ad-hominem of my thinking being at fault.
Typical.
You have to prove my sources wrong. You posted a definition with no source to that definition and asked me does it fit? LOL
Thats not how it works, you have to explain how Black Desert Online does not fit your definition.
Again, more of what you think.
The arguments posed have yet to be refuted, just because a few magazines whatever call something such is more a matter of opinion than fact, we already have examples of the differences between what the main differences are between sandbox and themepark games. You don't have to agree, but you cannot claim that your sources have not been proven to be wrong, as they clearly have been.
No matter how many sites state that BDO is a sandbox MMO, it still wont change the fact that it isnt
If its a FACT then prove it. All I see are peoples saying its not a sandbox because THEY don't think it is.
I am posting sources from mmo websites and media outlets that cover the genre and they are saying its a Sandbox game.
Here is Meta Critic. The #1 review site on the internet.
Nope - -media and review sites are opinions not facts
Here is how facts work - you start with a definion:
Define sandbox game:
"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will."
Does BDO fit that definion?
It doesnt.
So BDO is not a sandbox game.
Simple, isnt it?
Nope, its just more of what you think. LOL
/sadcringe
Instead of refuting the content posted, you resort to a weak ad-hominem of my thinking being at fault.
Typical.
You have to prove my sources wrong. You posted a definition with no source to that definition and asked me does it fit? LOL
Thats not how it works, you have to explain how Black Desert Online does not fit your definition.
Again, more of what you think.
The arguments posed have yet to be refuted, just because a few magazines whatever call something such is more a matter of opinion than fact,
Then it comes down to whos opinions carry more credibility. Sorry but I am going with the media outlets over a few posters who says the game is not a sandbox because they don't think it is.
And to that poster who keeps talking about STEAM I will now for the first time post STEAM'S description.
No matter how many sites state that BDO is a sandbox MMO, it still wont change the fact that it isnt
If its a FACT then prove it. All I see are peoples saying its not a sandbox because THEY don't think it is.
I am posting sources from mmo websites and media outlets that cover the genre and they are saying its a Sandbox game.
Here is Meta Critic. The #1 review site on the internet.
Nope - -media and review sites are opinions not facts
Here is how facts work - you start with a definion:
Define sandbox game:
"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will."
Does BDO fit that definion?
It doesnt.
So BDO is not a sandbox game.
Simple, isnt it?
Nope, its just more of what you think. LOL
/sadcringe
Instead of refuting the content posted, you resort to a weak ad-hominem of my thinking being at fault.
Typical.
You have to prove my sources wrong. You posted a definition with no source to that definition and asked me does it fit? LOL
Thats not how it works, you have to explain how Black Desert Online does not fit your definition.
Again, more of what you think.
The arguments posed have yet to be refuted, just because a few magazines whatever call something such is more a matter of opinion than fact,
Then it comes down to whos opinions carry more credibility. Sorry but I am going with the media outlets over a few posters who says the game is not a sandbox because they don't think it is.
And to that poster who keeps talking about STEAM I will now for the first time post STEAMS description.
Scroll down , you see ..
Black Desert Online is a sandbox, living-world MMORPG. Experience fast-paced, action-packed combat, hunt monsters and huge bosses, fight with friends in a guild to siege nodes and region castles, train your life skills such as fishing, trading, crafting, cooking, and much more!
Interesting how you convenietlty tryed to avoid that .. But i digress .. Steam has no credibiltiy
No matter how many sites state that BDO is a sandbox MMO, it still wont change the fact that it isnt
If its a FACT then prove it. All I see are peoples saying its not a sandbox because THEY don't think it is.
I am posting sources from mmo websites and media outlets that cover the genre and they are saying its a Sandbox game.
Here is Meta Critic. The #1 review site on the internet.
Nope - -media and review sites are opinions not facts
Here is how facts work - you start with a definion:
Define sandbox game:
"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will."
Does BDO fit that definion?
It doesnt.
So BDO is not a sandbox game.
Simple, isnt it?
Nope, its just more of what you think. LOL
/sadcringe
Instead of refuting the content posted, you resort to a weak ad-hominem of my thinking being at fault.
Typical.
You have to prove my sources wrong. You posted a definition with no source to that definition and asked me does it fit? LOL
Thats not how it works, you have to explain how Black Desert Online does not fit your definition.
Again, more of what you think.
The arguments posed have yet to be refuted, just because a few magazines whatever call something such is more a matter of opinion than fact,
Then it comes down to whos opinions carry more credibility. Sorry but I am going with the media outlets over a few posters who says the game is not a sandbox because they don't think it is.
And to that poster who keeps talking about STEAM I will now for the first time post STEAMS description.
Scroll down , you see ..
Black Desert Online is a sandbox, living-world MMORPG. Experience fast-paced, action-packed combat, hunt monsters and huge bosses, fight with friends in a guild to siege nodes and region castles, train your life skills such as fishing, trading, crafting, cooking, and much more!
Interesting how you convenietlty tryed to avoid that .. But i digress .. Steam has no credibiltiy
Silly isnt , weve gone full circle now... lmfao.. stop it
You are too late dude. I got so tired of you saying STEAM I had decided to actually go to STEAM and find the description my self. Thats the first thing you should have done.
While it might be true that Steam may have no credibility with you @Scorchien it's a huge platform that many people go to, to buy games. Places like Steam has a huge impact on how players see and classify games.
I suppose it might behove us to educate Steam don't you think .
BDO Sandbox my ass. Where is the non instanced housing, where is a realistic non limited player run economy, where is the classless gameplay, where is any element typically called sandbox. Where is player to player trading for F sake.
All I heard was "you can do anything you want anytime you want" uh huh, not even sure what that means. Anything being anything within the very limited things that are in game, and by that standard all games are sandbox. In the themepark of all themeparks - WOW, you can do the same, more actually, minus the boring node system. This one has a few more minigames, but that does not mean it is sandbox, and it certainly doesn't make it better because they all suck.
Economy is one of the biggest things that make a sandbox, and BDO's economy is more on rails than any before it.
While it might be true that Steam may have no credibility with you @Scorchien it's a huge platform that many people go to, to buy games. Places like Steam has a huge impact on how players see and classify games.
I suppose it might behove us to educate Steam don't you think .
And just like in real world politics, the media rewrites the narrative how they like, which doesn't make it true.
Official Twitter for #BlackDesert Online NA/EU, the next-gen action based, sandbox MMORPG.
Even the official twitter BDO that is owned by black desert itself calls it a sandbox MMO
Unless the creators of BDO are wrong. Then that means I will always link to this thread when I talk about Destiny and many other games are actually MMOs. And when anyone posts "but the company doesn't call it an MMO!" I'll link to this thread and show people that the people in this thread said the company was wrong about their own game being a sandbox MMO. Which means other companies can be wrong about not calling their game an MMO.
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
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Its not referencing STEAMs description. Its only showing the rating from STEAM. This was up way before the game even released on STEAM. Again, this is from Wikipedia.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I know the ego of gamers will never let them admit when they are wrong, but if a ton of Professional Publications about games, is disagreeing with your personal feels on what is or is not a sandbox MMO,. maybe it's time to consider that your personal feels might be wrong.
If its a FACT then prove it. All I see are peoples saying its not a sandbox because THEY don't think it is.
I am posting sources from mmo websites and media outlets that cover the genre and they are saying its a Sandbox game.
Here is Meta Critic. The #1 review site on the internet.
Then show a source that says levels on a map means a game is not a sandbox. LMAO
Thats probably the most silly reason I have ever heard. So when the game came out it was a Sandbox because the map did not even have that but when they added the levels of areas on the map it then change the game from being a Sandbox? /SMH
Nope, its just more of what you think. LOL
I don't play Eve so I have no idea but saying because Black Desert has something Eve does not means Black Desert is not a sandbox game is still silly.
How does Eve determine what a Sandbox game is? I am sure every sandbox game has something others don't have.
Again, more of what you think.
Its one of, if not the most obvious way in which a themepark game is defined as such.
You keep talking about STEAM labeling games but I have not used STEAM as a reference once.
No, I am not trying to hard. Its actually been pretty easy.
You are just failing over and over.
You have to prove my sources wrong. You posted a definition with no source to that definition and asked me does it fit? LOL
Thats not how it works, you have to explain how Black Desert Online does not fit your definition.
Again, more of what you think.
Then it comes down to whos opinions carry more credibility. Sorry but I am going with the media outlets over a few posters who says the game is not a sandbox because they don't think it is.
And to that poster who keeps talking about STEAM I will now for the first time post STEAM'S description.
You are too late dude. I got so tired of you saying STEAM I had decided to actually go to STEAM and find the description my self. Thats the first thing you should have done.
My work is done here.
I suppose it might behove us to educate Steam don't you think .
All I heard was "you can do anything you want anytime you want" uh huh, not even sure what that means. Anything being anything within the very limited things that are in game, and by that standard all games are sandbox. In the themepark of all themeparks - WOW, you can do the same, more actually, minus the boring node system. This one has a few more minigames, but that does not mean it is sandbox, and it certainly doesn't make it better because they all suck.
Economy is one of the biggest things that make a sandbox, and BDO's economy is more on rails than any before it.
Black Desert OnlineVerified account
@BDO_News
Official Twitter for #BlackDesert Online NA/EU, the next-gen action based, sandbox MMORPG.
Even the official twitter BDO that is owned by black desert itself calls it a sandbox MMO
Unless the creators of BDO are wrong. Then that means I will always link to this thread when I talk about Destiny and many other games are actually MMOs. And when anyone posts "but the company doesn't call it an MMO!" I'll link to this thread and show people that the people in this thread said the company was wrong about their own game being a sandbox MMO. Which means other companies can be wrong about not calling their game an MMO.
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/skyrim-anime-overhaul