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Valve policy change: All games allowed on Steam

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited June 2018
    Hatefull said:
    It will absolutely happen. Anyone that can think KNOWS this will happen. In an already reduced atmosphere of accountability, you take away any shred of accountability, yeah we will see games like this and worse. I hope this ends Steam, I really do, their downhill slide started years ago and I hope this finishes them.

    Funny thing is: the people that bitch most about laws and rules, are usually the ones that need laws and rules to survive.
    Yes, some people don't realize this because they take a gaming scene that is mostly free of political, bigotry and extreme ideology agendas for granted.

    That happening will just make the gaming scene incredibly toxic. The logic of "full freedom" and "no censorship" can't justify the lack of control on the contents of games on the MAIN platform that has likely dozens of millions of active accounts belonging to children, there has to be a degree of responsibility to keep a balance on what is okay and what isn't beyond just "what is legal or illegal".
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    So the gaming universe just got a little more stupid yet again.

    Not unexpected. 
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  • 666murmur666666murmur666 Member UncommonPosts: 9
    Sovrath said:
    Sovrath said:
    "Let the consumer decide", lol, what a joke...

    "Dude, don't buy that game Bless, it failed 3 other launches, it'll do the same here"
    "Nah man, it's going to be alright"
    Bless Online happens


    yeah, and I'm having a  good time for what it is.

    That's why it's never good to listen to others as then the fretting and the wringing of hands happens and they tell you not to do things because they can't put it in proper perspective.

    So yeah, the consumers should decide. Otherwise "others" will make decisions for you.


    I'm sure I could find worse examples but congratulations for perpetuating the stereotype that developers don't need to work for their money for no other reason than "you're having a good time".

    Proper perspective is the objective fact that the game's unbalanced, unoptimised, with a box price + sub price + microtransactions, cut content, developers lying to consumers that they've remade the combat when only one class actually has access to it, full of exploits because most of the data is client side etc

    I mean some people have fun smearing sh*t all over themselves and that usually warrants a visit to the psychiatrist but who am I judge.


    We're not a club and I don't need to support the party line. Also  "I" can keep things in perspective and enjoy myself when I can and move on when I don't.

    If I were to rely upon the "good taste" of every gamer I wouldn't ever use Steam, wouldn't be interested in Pantheon because "omg look at the animations and it's so EQ and does nothing new" wouldn't at least drop in to Elder Scrolls Online because "it's not an Elder Scrolls game", Wouldn't be playing World of Warcraft, Would be playing World of Warcraft and would run to the forums expressing my nerd distaste at every little thing that someone considered a game slight.

    What can I say, I come from sterner stuff and an era where a dot flying across the screen was considered absolutely amazing. I haven't been jaded yet and thankfully I most likely never will.

    You're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.

    First of all, there isn't any club, the people who don't care about what you mentioned are the actual majority. If they weren't, then studios like EA and Ubisoft probably wouldn't be in business.

    Secondly, let's say YOU are responsible for your purchases. What's the excuse for all the people spending 27 thousand dollars on ships that don't exist for Star Citizen, for example? Disposable income or not, I doubt that counts as being responsible and being able to "put things into perspective".

    This isn't a matter of "good taste" there is no taste when it comes to what I'm trying to point out. It's:

    - either bugged up to the point where it's unplayable or it isn't
    - got either low quality writing and/or gameplay or it doesn't
    - either a cash grab or it isn't
    - either being actively developed or updated (if it's online) or it's not

    Fun is not something objective as I've tried pointing out with that ludicrous example that you probably didn't read and more importantly - fun is not indicative of a game's quality or purpose.

    Also, someone criticizing those games for what you said obviously has no idea what he's talking about and is just jumping on the hate train because he "heard Y say whatever on teh forumz".

    Thirdly, you seriously can't suggest we hold developers to the same standards that we had back in the era where the most technologically advanced device was a mobile phone weighing half a kilo. And as someone who plays old school RPGs, I'm sorry to say but the quality of those games is way over most of what we have today, in terms of everything but "muh graphics".

    Really says something about you as a developer when a 1998 game is better than the hogwash you're trying to sell :smile:
  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,780
    edited June 2018


    You're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say.

    "post content"

    Really says something about you as a developer when a 1998 game is better than the hogwash you're trying to sell :smile:
    Look, what can I say, people will find value in the strangest things.

    Spending thousands on ships that don't exist is more about people deciding they want to heavily support the game. Now, they "should" be able to afford that. There are people who can drop thousands each weekend and not bat an eye. I actually don't have a problem with that just like I don't have a problem with people spending thousands on Patriots' or Hamilton tickets.

    I just did a review on the game "Agony". I really like it, I enjoy the setting, the sound and art design. It's an "8" for me though the game play is a little "meh." I gave it a 6.5 for everyone else.

    But if I listened to some else who complained about the things I don't really care about or at least care "less" about I'd never have this unique experience and one I'm really enjoying.

    My remark about pong was more about how far and awesome games and especially game worlds have come from early games like "Pong" or "Adventure":

    Image result for atari adventure game

    I can walk around the world of "Bless" and have a great time of it as anything is hands above "the above."

    It's not a great game but it has enough fun for a few months that it's completely worth it. And, we'll see if they can do something with it. If not, not a big deal.

    I can deal with the occasional lag or crash. It's just a non-factor.

    People are saying Bless is unplayable. It's very playable. People are complaining about things that just don't track for me. I'd rather not listen to others because that's no way to live.

    I just don't care about others' opinions and would rather find my own way and not fret over things that I can deal with. I can deal with low quality games. That's pretty much it. I'd prefer high quality but low quality will do if I enjoy myself.





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  • CryomatrixCryomatrix Member EpicPosts: 3,223
    So Valve is being a sellout . . . it is very common for that to happen. It is their right. 

    I'm starting a business (Franchise) soon. Part of what I like about it is it that the CEO has ethics and believes in a good and solid platform. The franchise doesn't involve predatory practices or upselling every little thing. It won't have alcohol and other things. It is clean and high quality. 

    My point is that, Valve can do what it wants, I am not going to hold them to my value system. They are okay hawking anything as long as they get money for it. Welcome to a capitalistic society. Welcome to America and the rest of the globe. It is lame that they do that, but no one mandates that we get stuff from Steam. There are other alternatives. If we don't like what Steam does, then we vote with our feet. 

    I get most of the arguments and what people are saying about how their lack of QC is inherently wrong. They will sell anything and it'll be crap but who cares. It is unethical but it isn't illegal. My response is welcome to capitalism where if people could sell you the air that you breath, they would. 


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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Vrika said:
    In their blog Valve also indicated that they're going to allow the developers release anything without Valve making decisions on "what level of quality is appropriate before something can be released", or " what even constitutes a game". This looks like Valve is giving their approval to devs that release one low quality asset flip after another.

    Precisely.  Why would they?  They get a cut whether it's an assert flip or not.

    It's disappointing given another recent statement from Valve stating they realize that there should be better thought into what's allowed on the store.  They did an about face, and the only real reason seems to be they get a cut, so why curate for any baseline of quality for consumers?
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Hashbrick said:
    MaxBacon said:
    Hashbrick said: 
    I will just simply ignore anything I don't like or want to play. Simple as that, not sure why you can't do the same?

    People can push whatever agenda they want, if people listen that is on them, you aren't saving the world by stopping them. Why must you feel like there needs to be a white knight protecting everyone from everything? Protection leads to government influence and agendas, it does nothing for anyone except takes choice away and mandates it with a law that every good citizen should abide to.

    Without getting into a whole political argument cause that's not what this is, I'll just say there is two sides to this coin, one is complete freedom of choice and the other is regulation.  Why would you ever want to be tied down? Unless you are into that sort of thing, no judgement here. If you like getting cucked by outside influences that's your thing and that's great.
    I can ignore, but I consider a gaming platform that is the main store where a lot of kids buy games, it is not fair to have them exposed to stuff that either political agendas, overly offensive, and so forth just because the shop wants no responsibility over what they are selling.

    I wouldn't be bothered by that at all if the customer base of Steam was made of adults, my same feelings towards selling loot boxes.

    But a side of that, washing hands of responsibility to me will allow things like racism to run free and create a huge mess within the community itself, because well, it is not illegal so it's fine logic, but to me it's not fine either way and a gaming community as Steam with its exposure and amount of children part of it, shouldn't be exposed to this and needs to be more controlled.

    To that I say, why does Steam become the parent? If you are a kid on the platform it is your parent's responsibility to know what you are doing and be open with discussions. The parents that close themselves off, don't teach or explain things in life are the ones doing a dis-service to their kid. It is why things like safe spaces have become acceptable, because they don't know how to handle their feelings since no one brought them up correctly to begin with.

    Racism and bigotry is sadly part of life, I'm not going to tell someone they can't be racist or sexist or anything like. Because in the end they will feel what they feel, their values is different than yours and mine, their lifestyle is different than yours or mine, their experiences are different than yours or mine. To hide that or shuffle it under the rug like it doesn't exist is an odd form of censorship.

    It happens, it will continue to happen and it is part of life and something everyone has to deal with in their own way.

    Again policing a platform does not make it go away, it just fuels the flames.
    No, it doesn't fuel the flames. People are mostly the way they are due to society giving them a platform to be, and these days, due to the lax values represented in some areas of certain governments, people are more emboldened to be outright racist.

    But they also get all up in arms when what they say gets a negative reaction. Many times they don't understand why, and thats because what they see and who they surround themselves with confirms their feelings, they have no understanding of a greater world out there and its consequences. 

    Sorry, but the main problem in society is letting everyone have a voice to be as awful and terrible and telling them its okay.  You right now saying "I'm not going to tell someone not to be racists or sexist" LOL seriously?  

    All that tells me is that you either don't have enough empathy for others to care how discrimination hurts them when they see it on their TV, gaming platforms, newspapers.  Either that or you're being closeted about how you really feel in terms of racism.
    This is an awesome post.  Only one issue, there's actually a third reason: because they're too afraid of holding a contrary opinion to those around them.  Some they may care deeply about (my mother is DEEPLY disappointed in my current worldviews).  With that in mind, I find some sympathy with this reasoning.  However, considering I still share my views in spite of it, it's very little sympathy.

    The bystander effect is real.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited June 2018
    Gruug said:
    So, after reading some of the responses here, I have to say this. Do you really want someone else to tell you what you can and cannot play? Are you really calling on Steam or anyone else to make decisions on what games to censor and which ones to allow into the market? Very slippery slope when YOU can't make those decisions on your own and demand someone else make the for you.
    There's no decision or debate to be had about things like racism or sexism.  Those aren't grey areas.  The fact that some think there's a legitimate discussion to be had around these issues says a lot.

    For my opinion, I'm just as concerned with the lack of quality control.  There is a game that has been re-released under a different name (Sergei Titov title) already with the "policies" Valve had in place in the past, yet Valve turned a blind eye because they get a cut, too.  That will only get worse.

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  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Gorwe said:
    Freedom to Choose and Freedom of Speech are catch phrases lowest common denominators flippantly abuse to pot shot, and attack people and avoid having to deal with the backlash and repercussion of their words and expressions. The same kind of people will tell you how somebody kneeling to protest systemic murder during a national anthem is wrong.

    I'd be all for this whole "choice" and "freedom" thing if the people behind the incoming buckets of pig filth that will hit Steam actually believe in them and stood for it across the board. They're NOT. It's going to be the typical cowards who like to hit and hide their hands, hit and call police, or hit and hide behind small print and lawyers.

    Gambling and pornography do not have to be mixed in THAT bucket of hateful filth for Steam to profit. Valve could easily re-skin Steam as something separate for gambling and pornography and have the appropriate laws apply (SteamXXX and SteamCasino).

    Broad brush strokes is not the answer. It's lazy, and it's an attempt at not being responsible for the media being distributed. So unless they're willing to do SteamPurgeAnarchy and put a stamp on it with marketing and press they can go fuck themselves. If only Steams idea of non-culpability applied to brick and mortar store fronts. How awesome would that be?

    TL;DR

    I'm going to have to end up deleting Steam and all the games I purchased through them, because I'm salty.
    No you won't, no you won't.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Kyleran said:
    So the gaming universe just got a little more stupid yet again.

    Not unexpected. 
    I LOL'd.

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  • HarikenHariken Member EpicPosts: 2,680
    edited June 2018
    Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.

    Can't wait to see:

    • Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
    • All Jews Must Die
    • Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
    • Border Patrol Online
    • She Begged For It III

    All while Steam does this:


    I was thinking this too. This is Trumps America now so we will see all kinds racist/sexist trash games flooding into steam with this change.
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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 43,975
    Hariken said:
    Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.

    Can't wait to see:

    • Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
    • All Jews Must Die
    • Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
    • Border Patrol Online
    • She Begged For It III

    All while Steam does this:


    I was thinking this too. This is Trumps America now so we will see all kinds racist/sexist trash games flooding into steam with this change.
    Stop. Do not tie one company's marketing policy to a political figure or party. 

    This is "our" America and we are responsible for what it is, but more importantly,  what it can become.



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  • ragebulletragebullet Member UncommonPosts: 55
    edited June 2018
    steams already full of garbage. cant see it getting any worse tbh.
  • FlyByKnightFlyByKnight Member EpicPosts: 3,967
    Kyleran said:
    Hariken said:
    Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.

    Can't wait to see:

    • Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
    • All Jews Must Die
    • Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
    • Border Patrol Online
    • She Begged For It III

    All while Steam does this:


    I was thinking this too. This is Trumps America now so we will see all kinds racist/sexist trash games flooding into steam with this change.
    Stop. Do not tie one company's marketing policy to a political figure or party. 

    This is "our" America and we are responsible for what it is, but more importantly,  what it can become.



    It reads cute and I don't believe in blaming one figure or party, as the lowest common denominators have been around before them. Yet, lets not make pretend that a world leader isn't encouraging trash humans from the fringes and having them feeling extra confident that it's their time to shine again. Between that energy and Steam opening the dumpster juice flood gates it won't be a good thing.
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  • Quizar1973Quizar1973 Member UncommonPosts: 251
    Let them come out with a KKK based Hanging Simulator game and see how quick that gets pulled from steam.....
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    edited June 2018
    Kyleran said:
    Hariken said:
    Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.

    Can't wait to see:

    • Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
    • All Jews Must Die
    • Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
    • Border Patrol Online
    • She Begged For It III

    All while Steam does this:


    I was thinking this too. This is Trumps America now so we will see all kinds racist/sexist trash games flooding into steam with this change.
    Stop. Do not tie one company's marketing policy to a political figure or party. 

    This is "our" America and we are responsible for what it is, but more importantly,  what it can become.



    It reads cute and I don't believe in blaming one figure or party, as the lowest common denominators have been around before them. Yet, lets not make pretend that a world leader isn't encouraging trash humans from the fringes and having them feeling extra confident that it's their time to shine again. Between that energy and Steam opening the dumpster juice flood gates it won't be a good thing.
    True.  Saying we're responsible, as a country, for the state it's in also strikes me a strange.  The majority of the country never voted for the leathery lizard in the Oval Office.  By all accounts, the majority of the country sees the current administration as unfortunate or ludicrous.  But the electoral college dgaf.

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  • PhaserlightPhaserlight Member EpicPosts: 3,075
    Kyleran said:
    Hariken said:
    Way to ignore the lowest common denominator Steam, because that's the only type of game that this benefits.

    Can't wait to see:

    • Libertard Cuck Kill Simulator
    • All Jews Must Die
    • Slave-e-mon (Gotta Catch Em All)
    • Border Patrol Online
    • She Begged For It III

    All while Steam does this:


    I was thinking this too. This is Trumps America now so we will see all kinds racist/sexist trash games flooding into steam with this change.
    Stop. Do not tie one company's marketing policy to a political figure or party. 

    This is "our" America and we are responsible for what it is, but more importantly,  what it can become.



    It reads cute and I don't believe in blaming one figure or party, as the lowest common denominators have been around before them. Yet, lets not make pretend that a world leader isn't encouraging trash humans from the fringes and having them feeling extra confident that it's their time to shine again. Between that energy and Steam opening the dumpster juice flood gates it won't be a good thing.
    Yeah, I mean I understand the concern, but give it time? 

    A big company taking its hands off the wheel while signaling it's doing so can sometimes be a good sign. More often these unicorns crash and burn by oversteering.

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  • MaxBaconMaxBacon Member LegendaryPosts: 7,846
    edited June 2018
    It reads cute and I don't believe in blaming one figure or party, as the lowest common denominators have been around before them. Yet, lets not make pretend that a world leader isn't encouraging trash humans from the fringes and having them feeling extra confident that it's their time to shine again. Between that energy and Steam opening the dumpster juice flood gates it won't be a good thing.
    Yes I would have to agree, since he got elected extreme ideology groups have been far more public and louder about their views, we even notice it on the internet the moment someone comes with hate speech it gets a lot of support, had to promise myself I would never read a comment section again to still have hope things will get better.

    Here is still fine because the gaming debatable still is mostly free from such mess, but it might not last much longer if that mess expands into the gaming scene as well.
  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    They are a private company and can do whatever the F U C K they want to do. Good on them.

    It wasn't long ago this very site defended video games from politicians, who were trying to claim that video games are what causes violence. Violence. As if nobody was hurt or killed prior to video games during the course of human history.

    However, I know the truth. I've read the articles today. This isn't really concern about shooting up schools. Due to clear political "outrage" in these articles, this is about SJWs inability to control thoughts, actions, and speech. 

    Stop dressing this news up to be "something something for the children". We, for the most part live a free market society. You are free not to do business with anyone. The government isn't forcing you to do business with anybody, like they do in communist countries. They will pass or fail based on mechanisms of the free market.
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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Oh ffs. You guys are going to turn even this thread into yet another mentally underpowered political debate?

    Inb4 the lock.
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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    There's like a weird Godwin's Law-esque thing emerging with the term SJW now.

    At least, with this term, it makes it easy to know who to ignore because they're on a crusade, not partaking in a debate.
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  • NorseGodNorseGod Member EpicPosts: 2,654
    Gruug said:
    So, after reading some of the responses here, I have to say this. Do you really want someone else to tell you what you can and cannot play? Are you really calling on Steam or anyone else to make decisions on what games to censor and which ones to allow into the market? Very slippery slope when YOU can't make those decisions on your own and demand someone else make the for you.
    I couldn't control myself otherwise. duuurrr. Seriously, this is how these political idiots think.
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  • HatefullHatefull Member EpicPosts: 2,503
    MaxBacon said:
    Hatefull said:
    It will absolutely happen. Anyone that can think KNOWS this will happen. In an already reduced atmosphere of accountability, you take away any shred of accountability, yeah we will see games like this and worse. I hope this ends Steam, I really do, their downhill slide started years ago and I hope this finishes them.

    Funny thing is: the people that bitch most about laws and rules, are usually the ones that need laws and rules to survive.
    Yes, some people don't realize this because they take a gaming scene that is mostly free of political, bigotry and extreme ideology agendas for granted.

    That happening will just make the gaming scene incredibly toxic. The logic of "full freedom" and "no censorship" can't justify the lack of control on the contents of games on the MAIN platform that has likely dozens of millions of active accounts belonging to children, there has to be a degree of responsibility to keep a balance on what is okay and what isn't beyond just "what is legal or illegal".
    The next step in this evolution is going to be government stepping and saying: if you can't control it, we will. Yet another brick in the wall for big government to take control of the internet and of course levy new taxes to support the "Net Police" they will have to pay to keep our children safe.

    Every time we turn around, another section of the internet is shooting itself in the foot. This may not be the straw that broke the camels back, but it is a nice point to argue when some pissed off mother goes to court citing lack of accountability as to why her child decided to kill someone else or themselves.

    Yeah, I grant it is a big leap, but look at cyberbullying, that has Government attention, ID theft, etc there are hundreds of instances of total lack of accountability and the more there is the stronger case it is for the government(s) to start making laws. Before long someone is going to mandate a "Net I.D." that is tied to your social security number (or whatever system your country uses to I.D. all of its citizens) once that happens all bets are off.

    So yeah, applaud this if you will, I say it is just another big mistake that we will end up regretting.

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  • MadFrenchieMadFrenchie Member LegendaryPosts: 8,505
    Hatefull said:
    MaxBacon said:
    Hatefull said:
    It will absolutely happen. Anyone that can think KNOWS this will happen. In an already reduced atmosphere of accountability, you take away any shred of accountability, yeah we will see games like this and worse. I hope this ends Steam, I really do, their downhill slide started years ago and I hope this finishes them.

    Funny thing is: the people that bitch most about laws and rules, are usually the ones that need laws and rules to survive.
    Yes, some people don't realize this because they take a gaming scene that is mostly free of political, bigotry and extreme ideology agendas for granted.

    That happening will just make the gaming scene incredibly toxic. The logic of "full freedom" and "no censorship" can't justify the lack of control on the contents of games on the MAIN platform that has likely dozens of millions of active accounts belonging to children, there has to be a degree of responsibility to keep a balance on what is okay and what isn't beyond just "what is legal or illegal".
    The next step in this evolution is going to be government stepping and saying: if you can't control it, we will. Yet another brick in the wall for big government to take control of the internet and of course levy new taxes to support the "Net Police" they will have to pay to keep our children safe.

    Every time we turn around, another section of the internet is shooting itself in the foot. This may not be the straw that broke the camels back, but it is a nice point to argue when some pissed off mother goes to court citing lack of accountability as to why her child decided to kill someone else or themselves.

    Yeah, I grant it is a big leap, but look at cyberbullying, that has Government attention, ID theft, etc there are hundreds of instances of total lack of accountability and the more there is the stronger case it is for the government(s) to start making laws. Before long someone is going to mandate a "Net I.D." that is tied to your social security number (or whatever system your country uses to I.D. all of its citizens) once that happens all bets are off.

    So yeah, applaud this if you will, I say it is just another big mistake that we will end up regretting.
    I respect that you advocate for small government, but are still able to acknowledge how and why regulations come into play without trying to blame in on mind-controk SJW bullshit.  +1 sir, even if I don't take the same view on the outlook of regulation.

    I've mentioned elsewhere that the biggest issue with regulation is that they aren't fluid enough.  Regulations need to be reiterated over and over to strike a delicate balance between protecting citizen interest and impeding on market forces as little as possible, but lobby groups and media spin make that a monumental task for a representative democracy.  It's a damn shame.
    Hatefullmaskedweasellaserit

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  • Asm0deusAsm0deus Member EpicPosts: 4,600
    Heh all these stupid platforms need to die a fiery death, what's so wrong with using standard installers, why have to go through steam or other platforms?

    rojoArcueid

    Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.





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