This guy is really mad. he made an mmorpg account to post this mess. Dont worry about what other people spend their money on, if they wanna pay for something, let them, geeez
Joined December 2012
I guess this is the type of education people get while Betsy Devos is in charge.
I was just going to point out that the OPs account is old, just no posts until now. It's safe to assume they are mad. /shrug. I have no issue with folks venting frustration here over something they are passionate about, just like I don't care what folks spend their money on. Keeps things interesting. I do have a problem when game companies make their game a suck fest for anyone not willing to spend money on things like "loot boxes of gamble your shitty life away", "scraps of bait and switch" , or potion of "DPSPWNWTFiWinbutton" .
These practices all go hand in hand. BDO does everything you stated and much further while POE doesn't do any of it.
BDO never needed to use these shady tactics. They have a decent core game. It's just over ran by corrupt business practices that are proven to work because they are effective against a young and naive audience.
As opposed to Bless Online which is just repackaging and reselling dirt.
So the solution is quite simple. Spend money on games like POE which eschew predatory monetary practices, and don't spend anything on badly built or heavily RNG cash shop dependent titles.
The mistake is thinking legislation is necessary to protect everyone from everything.
One thing that's near impossible to do is protect people from spending their money the way they wish. It's their money after all...
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
This guy is really mad. he made an mmorpg account to post this mess. Dont worry about what other people spend their money on, if they wanna pay for something, let them, geeez
Joined December 2012
I guess this is the type of education people get while Betsy Devos is in charge.
I was just going to point out that the OPs account is old, just no posts until now. It's safe to assume they are mad. /shrug. I have no issue with folks venting frustration here over something they are passionate about, just like I don't care what folks spend their money on. Keeps things interesting. I do have a problem when game companies make their game a suck fest for anyone not willing to spend money on things like "loot boxes of gamble your shitty life away", "scraps of bait and switch" , or potion of "DPSPWNWTFiWinbutton" .
These practices all go hand in hand. BDO does everything you stated and much further while POE doesn't do any of it.
BDO never needed to use these shady tactics. They have a decent core game. It's just over ran by corrupt business practices that are proven to work because they are effective against a young and naive audience.
As opposed to Bless Online which is just repackaging and reselling dirt.
So the solution is quite simple. Spend money on games like POE which eschew predatory monetary practices, and don't spend anything on badly built or heavily RNG cash shop dependent titles.
The mistake is thinking legislation is necessary to protect everyone from everything.
One thing that's near impossible to do is protect people from spending their money the way they wish. It's their money after all...
Why has it been proven to be effective? I see this on many occasions where there are undeniable outcomes and yet people like to hold on to belief that nothing can be done.
The legislation in several countries already stepped in to prevent gambling mechanics to minors. It demonstrates that it is an effective route.
At what point will people realize that there is no way to make the gaming community happy? If the government steps in people will be mad. If they make ptw games people will be mad. If they make gambling aka loot boxes people will be mad. If they make a near perfect game, gamers will find the 1 flaw in it and cry and whine about it everywhere they can be heard. Gamers these days will find anything to complain about and try to spread their toxicity to everyone else.
People should just regulate what they do/purchase and stop worrying about everyone and everything because its pointless in this day and age of sensitive sjw gaming communities
Why don't you worry about how you spend your own money, and stop worrying about how other people spend theirs? I'm sorry you feel like you wasted your money, but that's on you, and nobody else. Take responsibility for your stupid decisions like an adult instead of asking the nanny state to come in and punish the big, evil corporation which never forced you to buy a damn thing from them. It is not, nor ever should be, the role of government to protect people from their own stupidity and gullibility, so long as there is no outright deception / fraud involved.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
This guy is really mad. he made an mmorpg account to post this mess. Dont worry about what other people spend their money on, if they wanna pay for something, let them, geeez
Joined December 2012
I guess this is the type of education people get while Betsy Devos is in charge.
I was just going to point out that the OPs account is old, just no posts until now. It's safe to assume they are mad. /shrug. I have no issue with folks venting frustration here over something they are passionate about, just like I don't care what folks spend their money on. Keeps things interesting. I do have a problem when game companies make their game a suck fest for anyone not willing to spend money on things like "loot boxes of gamble your shitty life away", "scraps of bait and switch" , or potion of "DPSPWNWTFiWinbutton" .
These practices all go hand in hand. BDO does everything you stated and much further while POE doesn't do any of it.
BDO never needed to use these shady tactics. They have a decent core game. It's just over ran by corrupt business practices that are proven to work because they are effective against a young and naive audience.
As opposed to Bless Online which is just repackaging and reselling dirt.
So the solution is quite simple. Spend money on games like POE which eschew predatory monetary practices, and don't spend anything on badly built or heavily RNG cash shop dependent titles.
The mistake is thinking legislation is necessary to protect everyone from everything.
One thing that's near impossible to do is protect people from spending their money the way they wish. It's their money after all...
Why has it been proven to be effective? I see this on many occasions where there are undeniable outcomes and yet people like to hold on to belief that nothing can be done.
The legislation in several countries already stepped in to prevent gambling mechanics to minors. It demonstrates that it is an effective route.
You misunderstood, my position is that nothing needs to be done in this situation.
Next you'll want the government to go after baseball and Magic the Gathering cards, Pokemon Go, and Girl Scout Cookie sales, because you know, the exploit children.
I protected my children to adulthood and one very good lesson they all learned growing up is....life isn't fair, nor should they ever expect it to be.
2nd lesson, never draw the attention of or get involved in the affairs of government authorities or criminal organizations. (A blurry line sometimes)
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
So tired of people begging for governments to take away their rights to spend their own money how they choose.
And when did you have the right to gamble at a casino at age 10? Nothing was changed except the laws are being updated to reflect this new form of online gambling.
At what point will people realize that there is no way to make the gaming community happy? If the government steps in people will be mad. If they make ptw games people will be mad. If they make gambling aka loot boxes people will be mad. If they make a near perfect game, gamers will find the 1 flaw in it and cry and whine about it everywhere they can be heard. Gamers these days will find anything to complain about and try to spread their toxicity to everyone else.
People should just regulate what they do/purchase and stop worrying about everyone and everything because its pointless in this day and age of sensitive sjw gaming communities
Do not confuse this with the millennial issues. This is businesses/corporations tactfully trying to use online gambling practices in their video games.
This is not a knit pick of not finding the game perfect.
This guy is really mad. he made an mmorpg account to post this mess. Dont worry about what other people spend their money on, if they wanna pay for something, let them, geeez
Joined December 2012
I guess this is the type of education people get while Betsy Devos is in charge.
I was just going to point out that the OPs account is old, just no posts until now. It's safe to assume they are mad. /shrug. I have no issue with folks venting frustration here over something they are passionate about, just like I don't care what folks spend their money on. Keeps things interesting. I do have a problem when game companies make their game a suck fest for anyone not willing to spend money on things like "loot boxes of gamble your shitty life away", "scraps of bait and switch" , or potion of "DPSPWNWTFiWinbutton" .
These practices all go hand in hand. BDO does everything you stated and much further while POE doesn't do any of it.
BDO never needed to use these shady tactics. They have a decent core game. It's just over ran by corrupt business practices that are proven to work because they are effective against a young and naive audience.
As opposed to Bless Online which is just repackaging and reselling dirt.
So the solution is quite simple. Spend money on games like POE which eschew predatory monetary practices, and don't spend anything on badly built or heavily RNG cash shop dependent titles.
The mistake is thinking legislation is necessary to protect everyone from everything.
One thing that's near impossible to do is protect people from spending their money the way they wish. It's their money after all...
Why has it been proven to be effective? I see this on many occasions where there are undeniable outcomes and yet people like to hold on to belief that nothing can be done.
The legislation in several countries already stepped in to prevent gambling mechanics to minors. It demonstrates that it is an effective route.
You misunderstood, my position is that nothing needs to be done in this situation.
Next you'll want the government to go after baseball and Magic the Gathering cards, Pokemon Go, and Girl Scout Cookie sales, because you know, the exploit children.
I protected my children to adulthood and one very good lesson they all learned growing up is....life isn't fair, nor should they ever expect it to be.
2nd lesson, never draw the attention of or get involved in the affairs of government authorities or criminal organizations. (A blurry line sometimes)
I know next thing you know they will try to put regulations against chemical waste and discrimination where does it end!
It's almost like we are a society that needs some level of rules. I mean all government bad!
In some regions people want minimal government regulations (nanny states) and harbor a more "free" and individualistic approach. Whereas others appreciate their government stepping in, if they feel it protects people from harm (in this case gambling). To each their own, of course.
I believe each country or region (EU) will take their own position in this matter and, just like other political matters, there will be disbelief from both sides.
This guy is really mad. he made an mmorpg account to post this mess. Dont worry about what other people spend their money on, if they wanna pay for something, let them, geeez
Joined December 2012
I guess this is the type of education people get while Betsy Devos is in charge.
I was just going to point out that the OPs account is old, just no posts until now. It's safe to assume they are mad. /shrug. I have no issue with folks venting frustration here over something they are passionate about, just like I don't care what folks spend their money on. Keeps things interesting. I do have a problem when game companies make their game a suck fest for anyone not willing to spend money on things like "loot boxes of gamble your shitty life away", "scraps of bait and switch" , or potion of "DPSPWNWTFiWinbutton" .
These practices all go hand in hand. BDO does everything you stated and much further while POE doesn't do any of it.
BDO never needed to use these shady tactics. They have a decent core game. It's just over ran by corrupt business practices that are proven to work because they are effective against a young and naive audience.
As opposed to Bless Online which is just repackaging and reselling dirt.
So the solution is quite simple. Spend money on games like POE which eschew predatory monetary practices, and don't spend anything on badly built or heavily RNG cash shop dependent titles.
The mistake is thinking legislation is necessary to protect everyone from everything.
One thing that's near impossible to do is protect people from spending their money the way they wish. It's their money after all...
Why has it been proven to be effective? I see this on many occasions where there are undeniable outcomes and yet people like to hold on to belief that nothing can be done.
The legislation in several countries already stepped in to prevent gambling mechanics to minors. It demonstrates that it is an effective route.
You misunderstood, my position is that nothing needs to be done in this situation.
Next you'll want the government to go after baseball and Magic the Gathering cards, Pokemon Go, and Girl Scout Cookie sales, because you know, the exploit children.
I protected my children to adulthood and one very good lesson they all learned growing up is....life isn't fair, nor should they ever expect it to be.
2nd lesson, never draw the attention of or get involved in the affairs of government authorities or criminal organizations. (A blurry line sometimes)
I know next thing you know they will try to put regulations against chemical waste and discrimination where does it end!
It's almost like we are a society that needs some level of rules. I mean all government bad!
Your arguments are all the same, you use hyperbolic examples such as toxic waste to support your case for regulation of a far less serious issue.
My assumption is few 10 year olds struggle much with casino gambling, or lootboxes either, as both require ready access to cash which few children of that age have.
They do have parents like me who spent hundreds of dollars buying Pokemon card packs hoping to find a mythical "Charizard" card, but is always true for me, the RNG godz never saw favor.
So I did what any rational person would, I went on the internet and RMT'd two Charizard cards at $75 a piece and was done with it.
All long before online games ever thought of any monetization schemes.
The key is, while buying Pokemon cards was clearly a lesson in RNG mechanics (and their futility) it was not all Casino gambling, so it is specious to try and compare such.
No government regulation is needed in either situation, unlike casinos, toxic waste, murder or whatever over the top comparison you keep trying to make.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
This guy is really mad. he made an mmorpg account to post this mess. Dont worry about what other people spend their money on, if they wanna pay for something, let them, geeez
Joined December 2012
I guess this is the type of education people get while Betsy Devos is in charge.
I was just going to point out that the OPs account is old, just no posts until now. It's safe to assume they are mad. /shrug. I have no issue with folks venting frustration here over something they are passionate about, just like I don't care what folks spend their money on. Keeps things interesting. I do have a problem when game companies make their game a suck fest for anyone not willing to spend money on things like "loot boxes of gamble your shitty life away", "scraps of bait and switch" , or potion of "DPSPWNWTFiWinbutton" .
These practices all go hand in hand. BDO does everything you stated and much further while POE doesn't do any of it.
BDO never needed to use these shady tactics. They have a decent core game. It's just over ran by corrupt business practices that are proven to work because they are effective against a young and naive audience.
As opposed to Bless Online which is just repackaging and reselling dirt.
So the solution is quite simple. Spend money on games like POE which eschew predatory monetary practices, and don't spend anything on badly built or heavily RNG cash shop dependent titles.
The mistake is thinking legislation is necessary to protect everyone from everything.
One thing that's near impossible to do is protect people from spending their money the way they wish. It's their money after all...
Why has it been proven to be effective? I see this on many occasions where there are undeniable outcomes and yet people like to hold on to belief that nothing can be done.
The legislation in several countries already stepped in to prevent gambling mechanics to minors. It demonstrates that it is an effective route.
You misunderstood, my position is that nothing needs to be done in this situation.
Next you'll want the government to go after baseball and Magic the Gathering cards, Pokemon Go, and Girl Scout Cookie sales, because you know, the exploit children.
I protected my children to adulthood and one very good lesson they all learned growing up is....life isn't fair, nor should they ever expect it to be.
2nd lesson, never draw the attention of or get involved in the affairs of government authorities or criminal organizations. (A blurry line sometimes)
I know next thing you know they will try to put regulations against chemical waste and discrimination where does it end!
It's almost like we are a society that needs some level of rules. I mean all government bad!
Your arguments are all the same, you use hyperbolic examples such as toxic waste to support your case for regulation of a far less serious issue.
My assumption is few 10 year olds struggle much with casino gambling, or lootboxes either, as both require ready access to cash which few children of that age have.
They do have parents like me who spent hundreds of dollars buying Pokemon card packs hoping to find a mythical "Charizard" card, but is always true for me, the RNG godz never saw favor.
So I did what any rational person would, I went on the internet and RMT'd two Charizard cards at $75 a piece and was done with it.
All long before online games ever thought of any monetization schemes.
The key is, while buying Pokemon cards was clearly a lesson in RNG mechanics (and their futility) it was not all Casino gambling, so it is specious to try and compare such.
No government regulation is needed in either situation, unlike casinos, toxic waste, murder or whatever over the top comparison you keep trying to make.
That's a good point, but the monetization of games is also very different from your example of pokemon and other such card games, and I think that is one reason why games like BF2 received such a massive backlash.
However, many of you seem to have fallen into the OP's ploy of equating the monetization model in BDO with that of the seriously fucked-up and exploitative designs that games like BF2 tried to push.
This guy is really mad. he made an mmorpg account to post this mess. Dont worry about what other people spend their money on, if they wanna pay for something, let them, geeez
Joined December 2012
I guess this is the type of education people get while Betsy Devos is in charge.
I was just going to point out that the OPs account is old, just no posts until now. It's safe to assume they are mad. /shrug. I have no issue with folks venting frustration here over something they are passionate about, just like I don't care what folks spend their money on. Keeps things interesting. I do have a problem when game companies make their game a suck fest for anyone not willing to spend money on things like "loot boxes of gamble your shitty life away", "scraps of bait and switch" , or potion of "DPSPWNWTFiWinbutton" .
These practices all go hand in hand. BDO does everything you stated and much further while POE doesn't do any of it.
BDO never needed to use these shady tactics. They have a decent core game. It's just over ran by corrupt business practices that are proven to work because they are effective against a young and naive audience.
As opposed to Bless Online which is just repackaging and reselling dirt.
So the solution is quite simple. Spend money on games like POE which eschew predatory monetary practices, and don't spend anything on badly built or heavily RNG cash shop dependent titles.
The mistake is thinking legislation is necessary to protect everyone from everything.
One thing that's near impossible to do is protect people from spending their money the way they wish. It's their money after all...
Why has it been proven to be effective? I see this on many occasions where there are undeniable outcomes and yet people like to hold on to belief that nothing can be done.
The legislation in several countries already stepped in to prevent gambling mechanics to minors. It demonstrates that it is an effective route.
You misunderstood, my position is that nothing needs to be done in this situation.
Next you'll want the government to go after baseball and Magic the Gathering cards, Pokemon Go, and Girl Scout Cookie sales, because you know, the exploit children.
I protected my children to adulthood and one very good lesson they all learned growing up is....life isn't fair, nor should they ever expect it to be.
2nd lesson, never draw the attention of or get involved in the affairs of government authorities or criminal organizations. (A blurry line sometimes)
I know next thing you know they will try to put regulations against chemical waste and discrimination where does it end!
It's almost like we are a society that needs some level of rules. I mean all government bad!
Your arguments are all the same, you use hyperbolic examples such as toxic waste to support your case for regulation of a far less serious issue.
My assumption is few 10 year olds struggle much with casino gambling, or lootboxes either, as both require ready access to cash which few children of that age have.
They do have parents like me who spent hundreds of dollars buying Pokemon card packs hoping to find a mythical "Charizard" card, but is always true for me, the RNG godz never saw favor.
So I did what any rational person would, I went on the internet and RMT'd two Charizard cards at $75 a piece and was done with it.
All long before online games ever thought of any monetization schemes.
The key is, while buying Pokemon cards was clearly a lesson in RNG mechanics (and their futility) it was not all Casino gambling, so it is specious to try and compare such.
No government regulation is needed in either situation, unlike casinos, toxic waste, murder or whatever over the top comparison you keep trying to make.
That's a good point, but the monetization of games is also very different from your example of pokemon and other such card games, and I think that is one reason why games like BF2 received such a massive backlash.
However, many of you seem to have fallen into the OP's ploy of equating the monetization model in BDO with that of the seriously fucked-up and exploitative designs that games like BF2 tried to push.
Well from the OPs description you'd swear BDO was the 2nd coming of ArcheAge.
I suspect its more because he spent a lot of cash upgrading a character or class which he believes to be grossly underpowered or ignored from a PVP perspective.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
So tired of people begging for governments to take away their rights to spend their own money how they choose.
And when did you have the right to gamble at a casino at age 10? Nothing was changed except the laws are being updated to reflect this new form of online gambling.
Do a better job parenting your children. At 10, I would not have access to the funds needed to purchase loot crates.
I don't buy into the fact that government should regulate this. I believe this is purely a customer issue. If ppl want to spend money on loot boxes and they aren't hurting anyone else... let them. If enough ppl don't buy the lootboxes, they'll eventually go away. I think too many people like the nanny state so that individuals don't have to take responsibility for their own choices.
I have the exact same thought.
If people don't like how a company monetizes their games don't give them money/don't play their games.
Problem solved.
If they lose enough customers it will make them think twice. If they don't lose a lot of customers then clearly there are customers for this sort of thing BUT not for everyone and those "mature, responsible thinking of how they spend their money" people will already have taken their money elsewhere.
easy peasy ...
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I don't buy into the fact that government should regulate this. I believe this is purely a customer issue. If ppl want to spend money on loot boxes and they aren't hurting anyone else... let them. If enough ppl don't buy the lootboxes, they'll eventually go away. I think too many people like the nanny state so that individuals don't have to take responsibility for their own choices.
I have the exact same thought.
If people don't like how a company monetizes their games don't give them money/don't play their games.
Problem solved.
If they lose enough customers it will make them think twice. If they don't lose a lot of customers then clearly there are customers for this sort of thing BUT not for everyone and those "mature, responsible thinking of how they spend their money" people will already have taken their money elsewhere.
easy peasy ...
Exactly. Look at Battlefront 2. Hopefully EA learned something from that debacle.
Holy crap you dislike this game. You don't have to buy the costumes, just get them in the marketplace. I haven't paid a dime for anything in BDO other than the box price on any of my classes, and I have 5 pets upgraded, costumes for the class I play, and a constant value pack going.
You don't need to go on a tirade every time a company has a business practice you don't like. If the majority don't like it, then the game will fail and you won't have to worry about it. If the game succeeds than obviously people made their choice.
You say you can't avoid P2W because it's 85% of the market, then why not just go report all of those companies, and if you succeed, and then you won't be able to play those 85% of the market games anyways.
You also brought up gambling as an 18 year old in a casino. That's a very different situation than a video game. I lived in an area of Washington with an awful lot of casinos, you know how many people under 40 went to those? Very very little. Gambling money isn't about anything other than winning money. You put in money to get out money. There isn't a full fledged game being played, you are just playing a simple card game or a slot machine, with other people trying to get money. In a game like BDO or any game with a cash shop / loot boxes, you don't need to spend that money. It isn't required.
More power to you for trying to do something about something you dislike, but honestly it's fruitless.
Anyone but me, feeling sorry for a politician or authority official, who has to deal with issues like child abuse, human trafficing, global pollution, gun control issues and the like.. needing to now listen to a bunch of butt hurt gamers crying about class balance in their game of choice?
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
So tired of people begging for governments to take away their rights to spend their own money how they choose.
And when did you have the right to gamble at a casino at age 10? Nothing was changed except the laws are being updated to reflect this new form of online gambling.
Perhaps you need to have a look at the age rating on BDO, it does put into perspective the whole idea of a 10 year old going into a casino after all. In case you didn't know its 16+ so using the example of a 10 year old is more than a little hypocritical as 10 year olds aren't allowed to legally play BDO either.
The gaming companies are completely unregulated, operate across borders and have an audience that includes kids. They use gambling extensively in lots of games (not all). Gambling is an addiction problem for some.
To be honest they should have been regulated years ago. I've thought most of these companies were scum for some time, taking advantage of these issues.
The gaming companies are completely unregulated, operate across borders and have an audience that includes kids. They use gambling extensively in lots of games (not all). Gambling is an addiction problem for some.
To be honest they should have been regulated years ago. I've thought most of these companies were scum for some time, taking advantage of these issues.
The MMO podcast has covered this several times. The adults have pretty much made a decision on this. Those adults can be found in EU which banned the use of loot boxes, gambling practices. They are intentional and predatory.
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The mistake is thinking legislation is necessary to protect everyone from everything.
One thing that's near impossible to do is protect people from spending their money the way they wish. It's their money after all...
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
So tired of people begging for governments to take away their rights to spend their own money how they choose.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
#IStandWithVic
Next you'll want the government to go after baseball and Magic the Gathering cards, Pokemon Go, and Girl Scout Cookie sales, because you know, the exploit children.
I protected my children to adulthood and one very good lesson they all learned growing up is....life isn't fair, nor should they ever expect it to be.
2nd lesson, never draw the attention of or get involved in the affairs of government authorities or criminal organizations. (A blurry line sometimes)
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
In some regions people want minimal government regulations (nanny states) and harbor a more "free" and individualistic approach. Whereas others appreciate their government stepping in, if they feel it protects people from harm (in this case gambling). To each their own, of course.
I believe each country or region (EU) will take their own position in this matter and, just like other political matters, there will be disbelief from both sides.
My assumption is few 10 year olds struggle much with casino gambling, or lootboxes either, as both require ready access to cash which few children of that age have.
They do have parents like me who spent hundreds of dollars buying Pokemon card packs hoping to find a mythical "Charizard" card, but is always true for me, the RNG godz never saw favor.
So I did what any rational person would, I went on the internet and RMT'd two Charizard cards at $75 a piece and was done with it.
All long before online games ever thought of any monetization schemes.
The key is, while buying Pokemon cards was clearly a lesson in RNG mechanics (and their futility) it was not all Casino gambling, so it is specious to try and compare such.
No government regulation is needed in either situation, unlike casinos, toxic waste, murder or whatever over the top comparison you keep trying to make.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
That's a good point, but the monetization of games is also very different from your example of pokemon and other such card games, and I think that is one reason why games like BF2 received such a massive backlash.
However, many of you seem to have fallen into the OP's ploy of equating the monetization model in BDO with that of the seriously fucked-up and exploitative designs that games like BF2 tried to push.
I suspect its more because he spent a lot of cash upgrading a character or class which he believes to be grossly underpowered or ignored from a PVP perspective.
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"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
You don't need to go on a tirade every time a company has a business practice you don't like. If the majority don't like it, then the game will fail and you won't have to worry about it. If the game succeeds than obviously people made their choice.
You say you can't avoid P2W because it's 85% of the market, then why not just go report all of those companies, and if you succeed, and then you won't be able to play those 85% of the market games anyways.
You also brought up gambling as an 18 year old in a casino. That's a very different situation than a video game. I lived in an area of Washington with an awful lot of casinos, you know how many people under 40 went to those? Very very little. Gambling money isn't about anything other than winning money. You put in money to get out money. There isn't a full fledged game being played, you are just playing a simple card game or a slot machine, with other people trying to get money. In a game like BDO or any game with a cash shop / loot boxes, you don't need to spend that money. It isn't required.
More power to you for trying to do something about something you dislike, but honestly it's fruitless.
Well OP, this should be a good lesson in the future when you get old enough for actual casinos
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To be honest they should have been regulated years ago. I've thought most of these companies were scum for some time, taking advantage of these issues.