I got the feeling from all the emojis that this poster isn't curling up into a ball if he has to kill a tiger. Some folks just can't resist the opportunity to shit on others SMH.
Yes, you can kill cubs in LotRO too. I think animals in LoTRO are more realistic than in many other high fantasy MMORPGs. Maybe that's why I find it sad if I have to kill them.
Anyone else want to keep feeding this troll... Sorry sir but you don't exist... Poof!!!!
My buddy does this - rents a chopper and kills 100s of hogs like this
Yes this falls under Wild Boar pest control guidliness and is 100% legal (the video is from California - and they have the strictest gun laws) http://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74170.html
I personally find no fun in it - but I wouldn't label people who do this as "wrong" if they find pleasure in it. They aren't breaking any laws.
Legal =/= Moral Illegal =/= Immoral
I can understand the need to gun down some animals as pest control but personally giggling after you mow down a terrified creature from a helicopter with a machinegun seems a bit sadistic to me.
Just because we need to sometimes butcher things for sustenance or pest control, and even if you do believe (as I do) that a human's life is worth substantially more than a boar's life, that doesn't mean we should take pleasure in the suffering of other creatures.
Classic case of the inability to separate reality from fantasy here? And lots of other responses sounding the same. Video Game, folks. If it bothers you, you have the choice to not play it, right?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
How does it make you feel if you have to kill animal(s) while wandering in wilderness and/or questing?
I'm an animal lover in real life and I find it very unpleasant if I need to kill an animal in a MMORPG. I know I'm playing just a game but it's funny how it can almost make me sad I always kind of roleplay it out in my head like: "I kill only if absolutely necessary", "I have to survive and I will use every material needed, nothing will be wasted", "this animal is disturbed and it's better to just despatch it".
Killing humans/humanoids/monsters is a trivial thing of course it's just animals I'm having a hard time with
If you see an animal train following a running character in LotRO it's probably me
It makes me go from Six to Midnight in about 0.1 seconds.
So does eating bacon, steaks, rack of lamb, veal, venison, etc, etc, etc.
I killed a little turtle in WoW once. It made the saddest sound I have ever heard.
Some of those little critters do make the saddest little animal "Aww..." when you accidentally hit them with an AoE.
Yah I know, here I am killing some dragon or a whole clan of sentient monsters and I'll be laying the AOE's like I was getting paid to do this, and some bunny will wonder near the carnage and I'll bowl that little fuzz ball into oblivion.. and feel bad about it.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Most serial killers tortured and killed animals as children. People who kill animals for 'pleasure' or 'sport' are retarded, without a shadow of a doubt. Pleasure in killing a defenceless animal? something wrong in your head. Sport? Fuck off you thick bastards, it is in no way a sport.
There is an enormous moral difference between killing things that you should kill and killing things that you should not kill. Even if you want to talk about hunting, there's an enormous difference between selectively killing animals that a region has too many of and killing animals that the region has too few of.
There's also a difference between how serial killers torture animals and how people hunt or kill for sport. Serial killers would gas cats to death, crucify animals, bury them alive, skin them alive, and a lot worse. I have never met anyone in real life who hunts to just kill a living thing, they all do it for food.
I killed a little turtle in WoW once. It made the saddest sound I have ever heard.
Some of those little critters do make the saddest little animal "Aww..." when you accidentally hit them with an AoE.
Yah I know, here I am killing some dragon or a whole clan of sentient monsters and I'll be laying the AOE's like I was getting paid to do this, and some bunny will wonder near the carnage and I'll bowl that little fuzz ball into oblivion.. and feel bad about it.
We should really just be irritated that Blizzard didn't give the poor guys a flight reaction. What bunny in his or her right mind would wonder up to a fight with Arcane/Holy/Fire/Electric/Ice/all other damage types flying around???
Not any kind of tree hugger or anything, but I was just never into the whole idea of pointless killing, if the game mechanics make it so that the mob is not going to be hostile to me, then, I don't see the point in killing for the sake of killing something.
Just like I won't kill mobs that don't give EXP (like under leveled mobs), unless they attack me first, and sign their own death warrant in the process.
I view it as waste, and in some cases, yah, killing that orc peon that charged me in South Ro, while I was on my level 50 druid, I was like "You dumb bastard" as I nuked them into cinders.
I don't get how some players have such a need to kill anything and everything in site, as when I play, I like what I am doing to have a reason.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Not any kind of tree hugger or anything, but I was just never into the whole idea of pointless killing, if the game mechanics make it so that the mob is not going to be hostile to me, then, I don't see the point in killing for the sake of killing something.
Just like I won't kill mobs that don't give EXP (like under leveled mobs), unless they attack me first, and sign their own death warrant in the process.
I view it as waste, and in some cases, yah, killing that orc peon that charged me in South Ro, while I was on my level 50 druid, I was like "You dumb bastard" as I nuked them into cinders.
I don't get how some players have such a need to kill anything and everything in site, as when I play, I like what I am doing to have a reason.
Because they can I guess. As for the pixels vs reality debate, would we also be ok with rape and torture games? Porn games featuring minors, a KKK simulator? Its just pixels you know. Or would we be uncomfortable with that because they represent humans instead of other animals?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Not any kind of tree hugger or anything, but I was just never into the whole idea of pointless killing, if the game mechanics make it so that the mob is not going to be hostile to me, then, I don't see the point in killing for the sake of killing something.
Just like I won't kill mobs that don't give EXP (like under leveled mobs), unless they attack me first, and sign their own death warrant in the process.
I view it as waste, and in some cases, yah, killing that orc peon that charged me in South Ro, while I was on my level 50 druid, I was like "You dumb bastard" as I nuked them into cinders.
I don't get how some players have such a need to kill anything and everything in site, as when I play, I like what I am doing to have a reason.
Because they can I guess. As for the pixels vs reality debate, would we also be ok with rape and torture games? Porn games featuring minors, a KKK simulator? Its just pixels you know. Or would we be uncomfortable with that because they represent humans instead of other animals?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
What about animals raping other animals? Torturing them? Baby animals having sex?
Because they can I guess. As for the pixels vs reality debate, would we also be ok with rape and torture games? Porn games featuring minors, a KKK simulator? Its just pixels you know. Or would we be uncomfortable with that because they represent humans instead of other animals?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
On the porn question. I would be interested to see a credible study done on whether those types of games increase the likelyhood of predators seeking out children or sate their appetite enough it lowers it. So my answer to that one would be based 100% on the answer to the question "Would it result in more or less children being harmed?" (Let's not debate that question unless you actually do have a credible study) If less children would be harmed then let them have at the pixels.
On the KKK simulator, that would certainly concern me a bit but remember we aren't talking an animal torture simulator here. In most these games the wildlife attacks you first. They also generally drop resources. I think it's fine to kill an animal in either of those scenarios. Take me into a mini-game where I'm torturing them, and I'll have a lot more issue with it.
What I find more interesting is the idea of say, an evil playthrough of a Fable title or game based in The Old Republic. In some of those you literally do torture people even if it doesn't show it. I remember as a bounty hunter a mission where you can kill a guy, take his head, and throw it on the floor infront of his wife. Right after the one where you kill a kid's father infront of him so the kid can be shipped off to train as a sith.
Do those game cross a line? I'm a bit conflicted to say yes or no.
well mmorpg almost always involves killing a person or a creature but it is a game and as long as you can tell the difference then its ok If not see your doctor quickly!
Because they can I guess. As for the pixels vs reality debate, would we also be ok with rape and torture games? Porn games featuring minors, a KKK simulator? Its just pixels you know. Or would we be uncomfortable with that because they represent humans instead of other animals?
/Cheers, Lahnmir
On the porn question. I would be interested to see a credible study done on whether those types of games increase the likelyhood of predators seeking out children or sate their appetite enough it lowers it. So my answer to that one would be based 100% on the answer to the question "Would it result in more or less children being harmed?" (Let's not debate that question unless you actually do have a credible study) If less children would be harmed then let them have at the pixels.
On the KKK simulator, that would certainly concern me a bit but remember we aren't talking an animal torture simulator here. In most these games the wildlife attacks you first. They also generally drop resources. I think it's fine to kill an animal in either of those scenarios. Take me into a mini-game where I'm torturing them, and I'll have a lot more issue with it.
What I find more interesting is the idea of say, an evil playthrough of a Fable title or game based in The Old Republic. In some of those you literally do torture people even if it doesn't show it. I remember as a bounty hunter a mission where you can kill a guy, take his head, and throw it on the floor infront of his wife. Right after the one where you kill a kid's father infront of him so the kid can be shipped off to train as a sith.
Do those game cross a line? I'm a bit conflicted to say yes or no.
Context matters a lot. If the game tries to justify or qualify the torturing or beheading of a person, that would likely make it worse than if the game labeled it the evil act it is.
Another scenario is moral dilemmas. In FrostPunk (great game, bought it a week ago, highly recommend), you have to sometimes decide whether you put children to work, and even if the children should be forced to do dangerous jobs. You have to decide whether or not workers need to work 10, 16, or 24 hour shifts. You have to decide whether you want to take the time to bury the dead, or just throw them in a mass grave pit. But it's all couched into a situation where your choice may lead to your generator shutting down, which would result in the entire colony freezing to death. Maybe you could get by without choosing the most ethical choice, but maybe not. It's not always clear. In This War of Mine, sometimes it comes down to stealing from others (sometimes forcefully) or maybe causing the children back at your safehouse to starve
In those contexts, I can handle much worse things because it's quite obvious that the game isn't trying to qualify them as good acts, but merely presenting you with a complex moral dilemma.
It is not like the MMO animals acts like real animals anyways.Few animals actually attack a grown healthy human IRL and the white ones always attack instead of trying to run away (assuming they survive the first hit), while some animals might do that I find it hard to see things like rabbits attacking a human even if provoked.
Sure, tigers and hippos certainly are very dangerous and should be so in game as well but why does half the forrest critters try to kill me in any MMO?
I don't really have a problem with my character defending myself from tigers or hunting animals for food or even fur but maybe they should consider making the average animal a bit more realistic, if nothing else that would make the world feel a bit more alive.
Back in the day on DAOC one of the grind locations was the Dartmoor ponies. There were a lot of girls in the guild and questions were raised about why we were slaughtering hundreds of lovely ponies.
Now this was a RP guild and some guildies tried to roleplay it talking about how they were actually really evil ponies. Sometimes you just have to accept the game has beaten you and you can't roleplay it. I would just do an OOC: I know they look lovely, they don't deserve it, they is no reason we are doing this apart from xp, just pretend it never happened.
Back in the day on DAOC one of the grind locations was the Dartmoor ponies. There were a lot of girls in the guild and questions were raised about why we were slaughtering hundreds of lovely ponies.
Now this was a RP guild and some guildies tried to roleplay it talking about how they were actually really evil ponies. Sometimes you just have to accept the game has beaten you and you can't roleplay it. I would just do an OOC: I know they look lovely, they don't deserve it, they is no reason we are doing this apart from xp, just pretend it never happened.
makes you wonder how mentally conditioned the game has made you, if you are willing to do something which makes you feel uncomfortable, for exp. Like they are setting you up to believe and accept that the ends justifies the means, no matter what.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Back in the day on DAOC one of the grind locations was the Dartmoor ponies. There were a lot of girls in the guild and questions were raised about why we were slaughtering hundreds of lovely ponies.
Now this was a RP guild and some guildies tried to roleplay it talking about how they were actually really evil ponies. Sometimes you just have to accept the game has beaten you and you can't roleplay it. I would just do an OOC: I know they look lovely, they don't deserve it, they is no reason we are doing this apart from xp, just pretend it never happened.
makes you wonder how mentally conditioned the game has made you, if you are willing to do something which makes you feel uncomfortable, for exp. Like they are setting you up to believe and accept that the ends justifies the means, no matter what.
Back in the day on DAOC one of the grind locations was the Dartmoor ponies. There were a lot of girls in the guild and questions were raised about why we were slaughtering hundreds of lovely ponies.
Now this was a RP guild and some guildies tried to roleplay it talking about how they were actually really evil ponies. Sometimes you just have to accept the game has beaten you and you can't roleplay it. I would just do an OOC: I know they look lovely, they don't deserve it, they is no reason we are doing this apart from xp, just pretend it never happened.
makes you wonder how mentally conditioned the game has made you, if you are willing to do something which makes you feel uncomfortable, for exp. Like they are setting you up to believe and accept that the ends justifies the means, no matter what.
But it does.
LOL, you know, GW2 hurds players around like cattle in their game, by simply changing the rewards for zones and activities.
Any time a player thinks they something special, I can't help but laugh at some game companies can treat players like livestock in this regard.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I've got more problems with games that attempt to require a romantic attachment to pixel NPCs than I do killing pixels that look like animals.
"I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone." Robin Williams
In general, I find it strange that so many of our games are largely based on not only killing animals, but killing humans as well. I find it a bit strange that people seem to be MORE ok with killing humans than they are with killing a baby deer or a cute elephant. Both are a bit disturbing though if you take a step back and think about the larger context in which we basically play mass murder simulators for fun. Pixels though. So it doesn't count.
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- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
So does eating bacon, steaks, rack of lamb, veal, venison, etc, etc, etc.
거북이는 목을 내밀 때 안 움직입니다
Just like I won't kill mobs that don't give EXP (like under leveled mobs), unless they attack me first, and sign their own death warrant in the process.
I view it as waste, and in some cases, yah, killing that orc peon that charged me in South Ro, while I was on my level 50 druid, I was like "You dumb bastard" as I nuked them into cinders.
I don't get how some players have such a need to kill anything and everything in site, as when I play, I like what I am doing to have a reason.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
On the KKK simulator, that would certainly concern me a bit but remember we aren't talking an animal torture simulator here. In most these games the wildlife attacks you first. They also generally drop resources. I think it's fine to kill an animal in either of those scenarios. Take me into a mini-game where I'm torturing them, and I'll have a lot more issue with it.
What I find more interesting is the idea of say, an evil playthrough of a Fable title or game based in The Old Republic. In some of those you literally do torture people even if it doesn't show it. I remember as a bounty hunter a mission where you can kill a guy, take his head, and throw it on the floor infront of his wife. Right after the one where you kill a kid's father infront of him so the kid can be shipped off to train as a sith.
Do those game cross a line? I'm a bit conflicted to say yes or no.
a person or a creature
but it is a game and as long as you can tell the difference then its ok
If not see your doctor quickly!
Another scenario is moral dilemmas. In FrostPunk (great game, bought it a week ago, highly recommend), you have to sometimes decide whether you put children to work, and even if the children should be forced to do dangerous jobs. You have to decide whether or not workers need to work 10, 16, or 24 hour shifts. You have to decide whether you want to take the time to bury the dead, or just throw them in a mass grave pit. But it's all couched into a situation where your choice may lead to your generator shutting down, which would result in the entire colony freezing to death. Maybe you could get by without choosing the most ethical choice, but maybe not. It's not always clear. In This War of Mine, sometimes it comes down to stealing from others (sometimes forcefully) or maybe causing the children back at your safehouse to starve
In those contexts, I can handle much worse things because it's quite obvious that the game isn't trying to qualify them as good acts, but merely presenting you with a complex moral dilemma.
Sure, tigers and hippos certainly are very dangerous and should be so in game as well but why does half the forrest critters try to kill me in any MMO?
I don't really have a problem with my character defending myself from tigers or hunting animals for food or even fur but maybe they should consider making the average animal a bit more realistic, if nothing else that would make the world feel a bit more alive.
Ok, this rabbit might be a bit dangerous...
Now this was a RP guild and some guildies tried to roleplay it talking about how they were actually really evil ponies. Sometimes you just have to accept the game has beaten you and you can't roleplay it. I would just do an OOC: I know they look lovely, they don't deserve it, they is no reason we are doing this apart from xp, just pretend it never happened.
Any time a player thinks they something special, I can't help but laugh at some game companies can treat players like livestock in this regard.