Ars Technica: Game Dev Suffers Broken Teeth, Skull Fracture After Trying To Film Arrest

Phaserlight

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/08/game-dev-tackled-arrested-by-police-after-filming-gas-station-arrest

Poor girl :-(.  I hope justice is served.  She worked on MxO and Myst Uru.

FrodoFragins

I'll wait for the full story

MadFrenchie

Me too.  If the dev's story checks out, it'll be great "justice" to see the officer receive a laughably pitiful reprimand for assaulting the dev.

If the police's version checks out, the dev and her family will look like assholes.

TheScavenger

Well, to me it sounds like the accusers against the police officer are racist. Seeing that the officers name is Spanish...this further goes along that line that this is a hate crime against him due to certain political spheres wanting a wall and "OUT OUT OUT" (their words).

On top of that, they (the police) had footage of what happened and it'll become public so the racist story against the officer will lose face because the footage is 100% proof. If the police say they have it and saw it, then nothing else matters. I guess they could edit it, but I don't see that happening. Thats too easy to prove by outside parties that examine the footage.

In any case...every criminal says they didn't do anything wrong and they are innocent. Of course, sometimes police go too far...but these days with all the police cams police have to wear, its becoming much rarer in the US.

rpmcmurphy

Whatever the issue here I don't think throwing people around so they end up with these sorts of injuries is good policing, it speaks of someone losing control and exacting revenge.

Why not tase and incapacitate without busting the person up?

Dakeru

In a statement offered to Charlotte TV station WBTV, Rock Hill Police alleged that "the officer involved made a lawful arrest and used force necessary to effect the arrest of Ms. Pizer." This was determined, RHPD said, after reviewing an officer's body-cam footage and the QuikTrip store's camera footage (neither of which are currently publicly available). A separate report from HeraldOnline clarified that no dash cam footage of the arrest, which occurred near a police car, was captured, as the original arresting officer did not "turn on his blue lights" when arriving at the scene.

Police says they have footage of what happened - a news site says they don't.
This won't be a case where we keep pondering what really happened.
We will know the truth soon enough.

Personally I have grown a distaste for the views of developers after the whole Jessica Price ordeal.

Also to highlight this part again: "This was determined, RHPD said, after reviewing an officer's body-cam footage "

Would you lie for your colleagues when you know the truth will come out and heads will be rolling?
At this moment I would rather bet on the police.

El-Hefe

While being forceful enough to break her teeth seems quite over the top.  We don't know how she was acting when this occurred.  And just because she s a game developer doesn't mean she s not a crack head or that she doesn't have a personality disorder.  Wait and see before claiming sides.

MadFrenchie

Dakeru said:

In a statement offered to Charlotte TV station WBTV, Rock Hill Police alleged that "the officer involved made a lawful arrest and used force necessary to effect the arrest of Ms. Pizer." This was determined, RHPD said, after reviewing an officer's body-cam footage and the QuikTrip store's camera footage (neither of which are currently publicly available). A separate report from HeraldOnline clarified that no dash cam footage of the arrest, which occurred near a police car, was captured, as the original arresting officer did not "turn on his blue lights" when arriving at the scene.

Police says they have footage of what happened - a news site says they don't.
This won't be a case where we keep pondering what really happened.
We will know the truth soon enough.

Personally I have grown a distaste for the views of developers after the whole Jessica Price ordeal.

Also to highlight this part again: "This was determined, RHPD said, after reviewing an officer's body-cam footage "

Would you lie for your colleagues when you know the truth will come out and heads will be rolling?
At this moment I would rather bet on the police.

I was thinking the same.  With body cam footage and store camera footage, it shouldn't be hard to get to the definitive truth of the matter.

ScotchUp

Guy cop has to rough a woman up to get cuffs on her? Sorry, that story is hard to believe, even if she did hit him. 

Kyleran

When the police order you to do something, its best to comply first,  fight about the legalities in court later.

Xiaoki

MadFrenchie said:

I was thinking the same.  With body cam footage and store camera footage, it shouldn't be hard to get to the definitive truth of the matter.

Except it is hard, very hard to get the truth.

The police obviously confiscated the security camera footage as evidence, and they can suppress the body cam footage for years.

Also, even if the cop did beat her up, whats going to happen? The cop will get a paid vacation while the police determines he will not be punished.

MrMelGibson

ScotchUp said:

Guy cop has to rough a woman up to get cuffs on her? Sorry, that story is hard to believe, even if she did hit him. 

I think you're assuming all women are delicate flowers and can't even fold origami with their twig arms.  The truth is there are quite a lot of strong and scary females out there that would kick your and mine teeth in with little trouble. I'm not afraid to admit it, and I've been shot twice lol.

Siphaed

ScotchUp said:

Guy cop has to rough a woman up to get cuffs on her? Sorry, that story is hard to believe, even if she did hit him. 

Guess you've never seen the videos of some of the 'ladies' fighting Uber drivers, bouncers, and cops, huh?

If she's fighting back, physically attacking the cop, and throwing objects -full cans and/or bottles of liquid- as claimed by the cop (and the police station saying that body cam footage backs up said claim).  Ya, she's a threat to the police that are there trying to uphold the peace in whatever the situation was.   

Read the article instead of just the sensational title.   It does seem that the developer in question was attacking the police for whatever reasons.

Phry

rpmcmurphy said:

Whatever the issue here I don't think throwing people around so they end up with these sorts of injuries is good policing, it speaks of someone losing control and exacting revenge.

Why not tase and incapacitate without busting the person up?

Because sometimes tasers kill people? you don't use a potentially deadly weapon unless you really need to.

FlyByKnight

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

Phry

FlyByKnight said:

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

The police have body cam footage, and security video footage, if the police did overstep the mark then there will be evidence to support it. Also the police do not 'murder' people, though sometimes it is unfortunately necessary for them to use deadly force, they do not do so without good reason, and when they do it is not murder, i think people tend to forget that the police are allowed to use whatever force is necessary and the easiest way of not having bad things happen to you is 1. don't break the law, and 2. follow police instructions when they are given.

Kyleran

FlyByKnight said:

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

While quite true, in almost every situation the over use of force is a result of failing to exactly comply with what the police are ordering the other person to do, or a complete misunderstanding by the police of the actual situation.

FlyByKnight

Phry said:

FlyByKnight said:

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

The police have body cam footage, and security video footage, if the police did overstep the mark then there will be evidence to support it. Also the police do not 'murder' people, though sometimes it is unfortunately necessary for them to use deadly force, they do not do so without good reason, and when they do it is not murder, i think people tend to forget that the police are allowed to use whatever force is necessary and the easiest way of not having bad things happen to you is 1. don't break the law, and 2. follow police instructions when they are given.

I'm not about to have any type of constructive conversation with an individual who says things like:

"i think people tend to forget that the police are allowed to use whatever force is necessary"

I know you only believe this as it pertains to others but not yourself, family, and friends. If not you're the type of coward I don't think a constructive conversation has any effect on. So I'll be leaving you alone after this comment. 

FlyByKnight

Kyleran said:

FlyByKnight said:

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

While quite true, in almost every situation the over use of force is a result of failing to exactly comply with what the police are ordering the other person to do, or a complete misunderstanding by the police of the actual situation.

Meaning what? Over use of force or murder is the proper response to non-compliance and misunderstanding?

That's a big grey area to subjectively permanently damage, or murder people.

If preservation of life and limb was a priority, these debates wouldn't need to be had on any front.

JeffSpicoli

FlyByKnight said:

Kyleran said:

FlyByKnight said:

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

While quite true, in almost every situation the over use of force is a result of failing to exactly comply with what the police are ordering the other person to do, or a complete misunderstanding by the police of the actual situation.

Meaning what? Over use of force or murder is the proper response to non-compliance and misunderstanding?

That's a big grey area to subjectively permanently damage, or murder people.

If preservation of life and limb was a priority, these debates wouldn't need to be had on any front.

If you are going to wrestle , resist or put your hands on a cop when said officer is carrying a loaded firearm then anything that happens after that is ON YOU....

Here is a tip for not getting shot, Don't be a moron, follow instructions and you will be fine

maskedweasel

Phry said:

rpmcmurphy said:

Whatever the issue here I don't think throwing people around so they end up with these sorts of injuries is good policing, it speaks of someone losing control and exacting revenge.

Why not tase and incapacitate without busting the person up?

Because sometimes tasers kill people? you don't use a potentially deadly weapon unless you really need to.

EHH I'm sure a fractured skull that she ended up getting doesn't entirely absolve the notion they didn't use "potentially deadly weapons".  There are a lot of non lethal ways to subdue people.. tasers and mace are just a couple of the best known.  I'm sure if they would have used either, she wouldn't have suffered broken teeth or a fractured skull but.. oh well.

Rottstein

Phry said:

FlyByKnight said:

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

The police have body cam footage, and security video footage, if the police did overstep the mark then there will be evidence to support it. Also the police do not 'murder' people, though sometimes it is unfortunately necessary for them to use deadly force, they do not do so without good reason, and when they do it is not murder, i think people tend to forget that the police are allowed to use whatever force is necessary and the easiest way of not having bad things happen to you is 1. don't break the law, and 2. follow police instructions when they are given.

I think you get the prize for most ridiculous comment of the thread.  There is so much wrong with your comments in the sense that they defy any real thought process and tend to sound almost like a brainwashing.

lahnmir

Rottstein said:

Phry said:

FlyByKnight said:

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

The police have body cam footage, and security video footage, if the police did overstep the mark then there will be evidence to support it. Also the police do not 'murder' people, though sometimes it is unfortunately necessary for them to use deadly force, they do not do so without good reason, and when they do it is not murder, i think people tend to forget that the police are allowed to use whatever force is necessary and the easiest way of not having bad things happen to you is 1. don't break the law, and 2. follow police instructions when they are given.

I think you get the prize for most ridiculous comment of the thread.  There is so much wrong with your comments in the sense that they defy any real thought process and tend to sound almost like a brainwashing.

Interesting, because what he described is EXACTLY what the police can and should do, same for regular citizens. Maybe you are trying to say that US police is really bad, corrupt or badly trained? In that case say so, you cricitize without saying anything constructive or useful yourself.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

Rottstein

lahnmir said:

Rottstein said:

Phry said:

FlyByKnight said:

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

The police have body cam footage, and security video footage, if the police did overstep the mark then there will be evidence to support it. Also the police do not 'murder' people, though sometimes it is unfortunately necessary for them to use deadly force, they do not do so without good reason, and when they do it is not murder, i think people tend to forget that the police are allowed to use whatever force is necessary and the easiest way of not having bad things happen to you is 1. don't break the law, and 2. follow police instructions when they are given.

I think you get the prize for most ridiculous comment of the thread.  There is so much wrong with your comments in the sense that they defy any real thought process and tend to sound almost like a brainwashing.

Interesting, because what he described is EXACTLY what the police can and should do, same for regular citizens. Maybe you are trying to say that US police is really bad, corrupt or badly trained? In that case say so, you cricitize without saying anything constructive or useful yourself.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

You also believe police are justified in killing people for petty crimes if they "don't listen to the cops"?

Because that is what both he and you are saying.

lahnmir

Rottstein said:

lahnmir said:

Rottstein said:

Phry said:

FlyByKnight said:

I've literally watched in HD American law enforcement pile drive peoples heads in to the pavement or straight murder them with little to no provocation and then after, experience a certain group of people try to explain it away.

Good luck with a picture of a broken tooth, story, and alleged footage. Hey at least she's white and makes video games. Maybe she'll have some luck with her peers.

The police have body cam footage, and security video footage, if the police did overstep the mark then there will be evidence to support it. Also the police do not 'murder' people, though sometimes it is unfortunately necessary for them to use deadly force, they do not do so without good reason, and when they do it is not murder, i think people tend to forget that the police are allowed to use whatever force is necessary and the easiest way of not having bad things happen to you is 1. don't break the law, and 2. follow police instructions when they are given.

I think you get the prize for most ridiculous comment of the thread.  There is so much wrong with your comments in the sense that they defy any real thought process and tend to sound almost like a brainwashing.

Interesting, because what he described is EXACTLY what the police can and should do, same for regular citizens. Maybe you are trying to say that US police is really bad, corrupt or badly trained? In that case say so, you cricitize without saying anything constructive or useful yourself.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

You also believe police are justified in killing people for petty crimes if they "don't listen to the cops"?

Because that is what both he and you are saying.

No, he isn't saying that. He is saying that in certain cases lethal force is allowed to be used by the police. And if they make a bad decision because of whatever reason (they are still humans after all) they will be punished appropriately. And yes, they may use whatever means are required by the situation (so not excesive), you need to listen to the police, its really simple and easy actually.

/Cheers,
Lahnmir

TheScavenger

If this was a white cop, and not a Hispanic cop...the person behind these accusations I'm 100% sure would have acted like there was no problem at all and would have listened to the cop and been calm. Then there'd have been no drama at all. 

I'm perfectly okay with racists getting the beat down. Especially if they act in a racist manner (in this case the person attacked the cop) and attack whoever they are afraid of (because racists are actually afraid of whoever they are racist about since they know they are greater than they are)