Why I quit Albion and why you should too!

Belgaraath

Agree with most of the posts here. I can only blame the OPs reaction on his own ignorance or the unfortunate circumstances of the values he was raised with. Glad I'm not him. Joking or not, whether you agree it was homophobic or not, it was completely inappropriate and he deserves everything he got. Personally I think his post here should be deleted as its only providing a platform to market his continued ignorance.

keyboardshinobi

Obviously your first mistake was talking to other people. I tend to avoid doing that in my MMO's and in general everywhere i can. Rule of the wise, if someone can get offended they will, whether or not you intended it to be offensive or not does not matter nowadays. In the future remember if you think it can stir the pot it will and its best not to do it unless around like minded friends who will understand your meaning without it needing to be said.

Gutlard

It also helps when lots of peeps already have you on ignore as well, as there's a great amount of freedom from being ignored. 

People are free to say and do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt another person, but if you put shit out there be prepared to get shit on...the door always swings both ways and usually swings back at you an exponential amount harder.

People are extra sensitive now-a-days with regards to race, gender, orientation, or a hundred other specifications probably because they're tired of everyone putting shit out there...

The Golden Rule, and all that, it's not that hard people...

I have my own issues I need to work on, like how I get off by bullying bullies. 

Gut Out!

FrodoFragins

fanglo said:

MadFrenchie said:

Yea, without screenshots of the actual text, not sure you'll garner any sympathy.  Even your paraphrasing leaves wide open the possibility you violated ToS with your chat.  Depending upon how you delivered the lines and whether you made a singular comment and stopped or continued.

Correct, but then that is another issue. I was told my comment was homophobic but not given any information beyond that. What did I specifically say that was homophobic? By the time I realized I was muted I tried to scroll up to screenshot the message but the game doesn't allow scrolling up a lot and by then the entire chat had already been replaced. Any evidence of what I said or didn't say long gone, only retained by the mods. 

Even in the reply E-mail they still didn't write down the specific message I said in global chat that was offensive. They force me to guess at what I said. If I'm going to be accused of saying something homophobic they should tell me what I said that was offensive. Otherwise I assume that I didn't say anything bad and thus was attacked by a SJW mod that took what I said out of context.

BTW I am a conspiracy theorist, I see this slowly happening all over the place. Conversations that people once had (especially in global chat) are slowly being censored in favor of a more PC global chat. Though I'm partly in favor of cleaning up filth from global chat across MMORPG's I don't think that an agenda should be pushed by the company doing it. 

Joking that homosexuality needs a cure is going to flag you.  If you were serious, well then good luck in life.

Kajidourden

Good riddance.

Malvious

The OP is an ignorant tool.

bartoni33

Malvious said:

The OP is an ignorant tool.

IKR? It's almost like OP is purposely trying to look stupid to make all conspiracy theorists look the same.

Wait...

Oh no...

NOW I'M A CONSPIRACY THEORIST!

GrandpaDJ

fanglo said:

I will leave with my final thought. Companies that hide behind ambiguous TOS need to stop kidding themselves into thinking that they are doing a service to society by silencing others. They aren't!

If you act like a 10-year old telling bad/insulting jokes, expect to be sent to your room by your parents (otherwise known as the Mods). That is what every TOS essentially says. My take away from this is that the company IS doing a service to society by muting you.

JeffSpicoli

Interitus

fanglo said:

Ironicly, I'm a huge drama queen. You are right I did make a rookie mistake, mostly because i've never had to deal with a company defaming me in global chat before.

You argue about the company openly defaming you.  But you know what? I doubt anyone remembers your name in game. Or that they care anymore.  This was a molehill, this was a non-issue. A 1 hour mute non-issue.  But you came here seeking redemption. And you told everyone what you said.  All of us who weren't playing when you were or don't have the game.  And now everyone who has seen this knows what you said, and it's only because you were angry over a 1 hour mute.  You did far more damage to yourself than any GM.

Ozmodan

Yep, chat has to be PC these days, and you cannot kid around either.  To the clueless in this post that called him a homophobe, grow up!  Get your own house in order before you call others names!

Hashbrick

To quote one of my favorite movies, this sums it up:

"fanglo, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Tiamat64

fanglo said:

I'm sorry I didn't copy down the chat, but I will try my best to re-create the chat in Global

Random Person: I love having sex with women
Random Person: I'm a lesbian
Me: I'm sorry
Me: I hope they find a cure for that soon

Kyleran said:

Amathe said:

This is seriously a post about you calling another person's sexual orientation a disease, and then feeling wounded and persecuted by the pushback? 
 

I suspect it was meant to be a joke, rather than taken seriously. 

Regardless, jokes made in bad taste or in the wrong context can have serious consequences and as others said are better avoided.

Even if it was meant to be a joke, does that make things any better?  What if the conversation was like this?

(hypothetical conversation)

Random Person: I love being black.
Random Person: I'm black.
fanglo: I'm sorry
fanglo: I hope they find a cure for that soon



But hey, fanglo is totally not homophobic because it was just a joke made in bad taste, right?

If a person is making homophobic jokes, they are homophobic.  A homophobic joke in bad taste is just as much homophobic garbage as other hate speech, and their homophobic garbage doesn't deserve a media outlet. Being a "joke made in bad taste" does not exempt it from that (probably the opposite, in fact.  Hate speech is no laughing matter.  And letting people spout racist or homophobic crap just because it's "a bad joke" is attempting to frame racism and homophobia as just jokes rather than the serious harmful and vile vomit that they are)

alkarionlog

Tiamat64 said:

fanglo said:

I'm sorry I didn't copy down the chat, but I will try my best to re-create the chat in Global

Random Person: I love having sex with women
Random Person: I'm a lesbian
Me: I'm sorry
Me: I hope they find a cure for that soon

Kyleran said:

Amathe said:

This is seriously a post about you calling another person's sexual orientation a disease, and then feeling wounded and persecuted by the pushback? 
 

I suspect it was meant to be a joke, rather than taken seriously. 

Regardless, jokes made in bad taste or in the wrong context can have serious consequences and as others said are better avoided.

Even if it was meant to be a joke, does that make things any better?  What if the conversation was like this?

(hypothetical conversation)

Random Person: I love being black.
Random Person: I'm black.
fanglo: I'm sorry
fanglo: I hope they find a cure for that soon



But hey, fanglo is totally not homophobic because it was just a joke made in bad taste, right?

If a person is making homophobic jokes, they are homophobic.  A homophobic joke in bad taste is just as much homophobic garbage as other hate speech, and their homophobic garbage doesn't deserve a media outlet. Being a "joke made in bad taste" does not exempt it from that (probably the opposite, in fact.  Hate speech is no laughing matter.  And letting people spout racist or homophobic crap just because it's "a bad joke" is attempting to frame racism and homophobia as just jokes rather than the serious harmful and vile vomit that they are)

ok so tell me if you ban everyone to say what they think how you will know who you want to be friends or not? that is why freedom is a good thing let the idiots say waht they want, now you know they are idiots and then you can ignore/keep distance from him.

its the same with bad jokes how a person can be serious on undestanding on if its a good joke or bad? if he is telling for some reason he thinks its good. its a trolling from a joke nothing more or less.

I think everyone really should growth a thicker skin, he should just be man and take his hour of ban from chat, the mod should chill since it was one thing only, and people name calling here is not that much diferent from the op here either.

JeffSpicoli

If a person is making homophobic jokes, they are homophobic.  A homophobic joke in bad taste is just as much homophobic garbage as other hate speech, and their homophobic garbage doesn't deserve a media outlet. Being a "joke made in bad taste" does not exempt it from that (probably the opposite, in fact.  Hate speech is no laughing matter.  And letting people spout racist or homophobic crap just because it's "a bad joke" is attempting to frame racism and homophobia as just jokes rather than the serious harmful and vile vomit that they are)

You would hate comedy clubs lol Anyone catch the chappelle special on Netflix? So good

Amathe

Ozmodan said:

Yep, chat has to be PC these days, and you cannot kid around either.  To the clueless in this post that called him a homophobe, grow up!  Get your own house in order before you call others names!

1. Not allowing bigotry in open chat isn't "PC." It's called living in the modern world. 

2. Hate speech isn't fun, especially if you are its target.

3. Behaviors have names. If you act homophobic, you likely will be thought of as a homophobe. 

4. No, you can't play the "you do it too" card when you don't even know to whom you are speaking. 

Solar_Prophet

Expressing sympathy for someone and wishing their physical or mental illness can be cured is hardly phobic or hateful. OP got banned for having an unpopular, un-PC opinion on the nature of human sexuality. The only person here who exhibited fear, hatred, and / or intolerance was the mod / company who muted him for daring to have an opinion contrary to their own, very common behavior for SJWs. They're masters of projecting their own inadequacies and character defects onto others.

MadFrenchie

thunderC said:

If a person is making homophobic jokes, they are homophobic.  A homophobic joke in bad taste is just as much homophobic garbage as other hate speech, and their homophobic garbage doesn't deserve a media outlet. Being a "joke made in bad taste" does not exempt it from that (probably the opposite, in fact.  Hate speech is no laughing matter.  And letting people spout racist or homophobic crap just because it's "a bad joke" is attempting to frame racism and homophobia as just jokes rather than the serious harmful and vile vomit that they are)

You would hate comedy clubs lol Anyone catch the chappelle special on Netflix? So good

I get your point, but there's context there.  The OP isn't a comedian, and general chat isn't a comedy club.  Context is important.

Hashbrick

Solar_Prophet said:

Expressing sympathy for someone and wishing their physical or mental illness can be cured is hardly phobic or hateful. OP got banned for having an unpopular, un-PC opinion on the nature of human sexuality. The only person here who exhibited fear, hatred, and / or intolerance was the mod / company who muted him for daring to have an opinion contrary to their own, very common behavior for SJWs. They're masters of projecting their own inadequacies and character defects onto others.

I mean lets not color oranges bananas here.  If you think this is indeed correct... You are part of the problem, not the solution.