Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?
Generally easy? Yes. Just easy? No. Some games are 80% easy with extremely difficult endgame or very high skill ceilings.
For instance, the first 15/20 hours in a Monster Hunter game might be easy, the higher level stuff however will push you to your limits. Or even Mario Kart. Looks like a kiddie game until you race against pros and get absolutely destroyed every time.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Maybe you did not read or follow the discussion , we are talking about MMOS here , and a player must complete the Hardest Content available to have a valid opinion of said game ..
what this leaves us with ..
If you play Wow and complete lvl 1-120
compelte Heroics
Complete challenges
Youve completed 99% of the content that Wow offers ..you just dont have the time to complete Mythicals which is Less than 1% of Wows content ..
Because this is 99% of all MMO players , so we now the only people by these standards that can form a valid opinion of a games difficulty are the 1%ers .. Sounds silly now doesnt it
Is your opinion not valid if you say it was easy ..?
yes or no
Because i tell with that line of thinking most likley Noone on this site has a valid opinion of said MMO .. Unless of course they can show SS of BiS ...
I think my response was perfectly valid to the question I quoted. Not using MMOs as examples shouldn't matter one bit tbh, it applies to all games.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
well you were not following the discussion ..and the fact that you also will not answer the question given to you realtive to Wow , which is what we are discussing not Mario cart , speaks volumes ..
you are welcome to answer it tho ...
If Lahnmir completes 99% of Wow content , Normal /Heriocs/Challenges ,but does not have the time ti dedicate to Myths , is his opinion of Wows difficulty having completed 99% of the game a valid one ?
yes or no
What a weird and hostile response, I have been in this thread all along and since this isn't "your" discussion you can take your 'rules of engagement' somewhere else. Look at my response AGAIN, generally easy yes, just easy no. We need to look at skill level too then, and time available and all other factors before your strain of reasoning makes any sense. Difficulty is personal and relative, there is general opinion though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Lol so difficult to get answer but at least you did answer Yes .. correct ...
So you realize that unless you can post a SS of you in full Mythic that your opinion is not valid according to Jean , that is the problem , here .. So good we agree...I think its a valid opinion
Generally you have the opinion that Wow was easy completing 98% of its content ..
I did not draw these lines ... The comment was from Jean , this is his stance and belief . that if you do not complete the hardest content in said game your opinion is invalid ...This is his comment hes made it many times here , and to add He will tell you if you dont have Mythics your opinion is invalid .. Isnt that right Jean ... Would you like to verify that for us ..Or no .. I dont expect you to as you cant even answer ther simple questions presented to you ..
And i get why you wont as it would invalidate your opinion .. the irony ..
And to add .. in case you missed it , By having an opinion of generally easy (and Wow is) and not having your Mythics........, according to Jean ...."you are are not worth his time and only deserve to be ignored."
Thats his quote .. This entire premise is what i have a problem with
Here's a question. If the majority of the game is easy is it fair to say the game is generally easy?
Generally easy? Yes. Just easy? No. Some games are 80% easy with extremely difficult endgame or very high skill ceilings.
For instance, the first 15/20 hours in a Monster Hunter game might be easy, the higher level stuff however will push you to your limits. Or even Mario Kart. Looks like a kiddie game until you race against pros and get absolutely destroyed every time.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Maybe you did not read or follow the discussion , we are talking about MMOS here , and a player must complete the Hardest Content available to have a valid opinion of said game ..
what this leaves us with ..
If you play Wow and complete lvl 1-120
compelte Heroics
Complete challenges
Youve completed 99% of the content that Wow offers ..you just dont have the time to complete Mythicals which is Less than 1% of Wows content ..
Because this is 99% of all MMO players , so we now the only people by these standards that can form a valid opinion of a games difficulty are the 1%ers .. Sounds silly now doesnt it
Is your opinion not valid if you say it was easy ..?
yes or no
Because i tell with that line of thinking most likley Noone on this site has a valid opinion of said MMO .. Unless of course they can show SS of BiS ...
I think my response was perfectly valid to the question I quoted. Not using MMOs as examples shouldn't matter one bit tbh, it applies to all games.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
well you were not following the discussion ..and the fact that you also will not answer the question given to you realtive to Wow , which is what we are discussing not Mario cart , speaks volumes ..
you are welcome to answer it tho ...
If Lahnmir completes 99% of Wow content , Normal /Heriocs/Challenges ,but does not have the time ti dedicate to Myths , is his opinion of Wows difficulty having completed 99% of the game a valid one ?
yes or no
What a weird and hostile response, I have been in this thread all along and since this isn't "your" discussion you can take your 'rules of engagement' somewhere else. Look at my response AGAIN, generally easy yes, just easy no. We need to look at skill level too then, and time available and all other factors before your strain of reasoning makes any sense. Difficulty is personal and relative, there is general opinion though.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Lol so difficult to get answer but at least you did answer Yes .. correct ...
So you realize that unless you can post a SS of you in full Mythic that your opinion is not valid according to Jean , that is the problem , here .. So good we agree...I think its a valid opinion
Generally you have the opinion that Wow was easy completing 98% of its content ..
I did not draw these lines ... The comment was from Jean , this is his stance and belief . that if you do not complete the hardest content in said game your opinion is invalid ...This is his comment hes made it many times here , and to add He will tell you if you dont have Mythics your opinion is invalid .. Isnt that right Jean ... Would you like to verify that for us ..Or no .. I dont expect you to as you cant even answer ther simple questions presented to you ..
And i get why you wont as it would invalidate your opinion .. the irony ..
And to add .. in case you missed it , By having an opinion of generally easy (and Wow is) and not having your Mythics........, according to Jean ...."you are are not worth his time and only deserve to be ignored."
Thats his quote .. This entire premise is what i have a problem with
Huh? Its not difficult at all since its the same answer I gave before, you were just too busy with yourself to notice...
But I am not getting pulled into this little crusade you've got going on, especially not with that attitude and not being able to respond in a normal matter. You are on the wrong path however, people who have only done the easy part of an MMO can still call it difficult because they know of the harder parts although they haven't done them themselves. Only in a vacuum, where they are blissfully unaware of the content they haven't played, can they confidentally call it easy, it doesn't say anything about the actual game though.
I am out though, go be an ass to someone else, I am not impressed.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
But
then you move the goalposts again .. Its a popular thing to do when you
have no credible response to the actual issue ... ill try again
Lets play True or False
1.Is it true Jean believes that " people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored.
True
2. Has Jean ever asked anyone to SS there Mythics to back up there stance on Wow difficulty
True
3. Do 1% of Wow players complete Mythicals ?
true
4. Are Mythicals runs less than 1% of Wows total content ?
True
5. If Jean were to climb 99% of Greeces Mts could he form a valid opinon on its difficulty ?
True
6. If No Good explored 98% of Greece could form a valid opinion on Greece?
True
7 . If Lahnmir completed 98 % of Wows content could form a valid opinion of Wows difficulty ..?
He believes you cannot have a valid opinion of Wows difficulty unless
you have Mythics, And if you dont and you voice your opinion you are
worthy of being ignored...
these are all the facts from this excercise hope it helps some of you understand
If someone could not beat a game, would you believe them that the game was Too Easy?
Would it matter how much of the game they played?
If someone beat a game with no apparent effort, would you believe them that the game was Too Hard?
Would it Matter how much of the Game they played?
Think about for that a while before you cry about "But.. but if they played 98% of the game"
The fact that you refuse to answer the simple question that derived from your anaolgy , tells me all i need to know ..
Your constant goal post moving and detracting does not work ..
But plz just answer the question ...
yes or no
Can you formulate a valid opinion of Greece by visiting 98% of it ?
Nv/m .. really no need you have failed here with logic
you have failed here with reason
You dont even have the intestinal fortitude to answer a simple question but would rather see how many ways you can dance around it ...
So what we are going to do is bookmark this page ad anytime that you or Jean-Puc tell us about a games Difficulty we are going to link back to this and you Must produce SS of BiS along with achievements .. Otherwise your opinion is invalid ..
Please Do, and I'll get to laugh at you all over again.
But, Let me hold your hand here one last time. See you are under some delusion that it works all ways, and it doesn't.
Lets try another approach.
Gamer A: This game is too easy! Gamer B: Really, how fast did you beat it? Gamer A: Oh I didn't beat it. Gamer B: Why not? Gamer A: The end Content was too hard. Gamer B: But you Said the Game was Too Easy? Gamer A: It is Too Easy, I just can't do the Hard Part. Gamer B: But.. you can't do the Hard part. Gamer A: Yes, I said that, what seems to be your problem, I said the game is too easy, but I can't do the hard part of it, what is there that you do not understand.
Do you not see the problem with this logic?
Lets try that again:
Gamer A: This game is Too Hard. Gamer B: Really? How far did you get? Gamer A: I made it to maxed level, but the Raid content was just beyond my skill cap Gamer B: Oh, so just the Raids are Too hard for you huh? Gamer A: Well also about half the Jump Puzzles, and there were a few other quests that I could not complete as well. Gamer B: Yah, sounds like the game has some parts that are Too hard for you. Gamer A: Yup, hence why I said the game is Too Hard.
See, you can formulate opinions of a game, you just can't be a dummy about it.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
But
then you move the goalposts again .. Its a popular thing to do when you
have no credible response to the actual issue ... ill try again
Lets play True or False
1.Is it true Jean believes that " people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored.
True
2. Has Jean ever asked anyone to SS there Mythics to back up there stance on Wow difficulty
True
3. Do 1% of Wow players complete Mythicals ?
true
4. Are Mythicals runs less than 1% of Wows total content ?
True
5. If Jean were to climb 99% of Greeces Mts could he form a valid opinon on its difficulty ?
True
6. If No Good explored 98% of Greece could form a valid opinion on Greece?
True
7 . If Lahnmir completed 98 % of Wows content could form a valid opinion of Wows difficulty ..?
He believes you cannot have a valid opinion of Wows difficulty unless
you have Mythics, And if you dont and you voice your opinion you are
worthy of being ignored...
these are all the facts from this excercise hope it helps some of you understand
[mod edit] I didn't take a step, I gave you the SAME answer as before, you didn't even properly read what I wrote. You play wanna be ringleader pitting people against each other but I've got nothing to do with you, I answered a question posed by Vengesunsoar, then you rudely barged in with your nonsense and made a mess of it. I am not against or versus Jean, you just try to use me to push your agenda.
Its not working, from this point on I fully agree with everything @Jean-Luc_Picard says on the matter, he is right. And good luck with your discussion, it isn't mine.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
But
then you move the goalposts again .. Its a popular thing to do when you
have no credible response to the actual issue ... ill try again
Lets play True or False
1.Is it true Jean believes that " people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored.
True
2. Has Jean ever asked anyone to SS there Mythics to back up there stance on Wow difficulty
True
3. Do 1% of Wow players complete Mythicals ?
true
4. Are Mythicals runs less than 1% of Wows total content ?
True
5. If Jean were to climb 99% of Greeces Mts could he form a valid opinon on its difficulty ?
True
6. If No Good explored 98% of Greece could form a valid opinion on Greece?
True
7 . If Lahnmir completed 98 % of Wows content could form a valid opinion of Wows difficulty ..?
He believes you cannot have a valid opinion of Wows difficulty unless
you have Mythics, And if you dont and you voice your opinion you are
worthy of being ignored...
these are all the facts from this excercise hope it helps some of you understand
You sir are an idiot. I didn't take a step, I gave you the SAME answer as before, you didn't even properly read what I wrote. You play wanna be ringleader pitting people against each other but I've got nothing to do with you, I answered a question posed by Vengesunsoar, then you rudely barged in with your nonsense and made a mess of it. I am not against or versus Jean, you just try to use me to push your agenda.
Its not working, from this point on I fully agree with everything @Jean-Luc_Picard says on the matter, he is right. And good luck with your discussion, it isn't mine.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Got it so you have the stance that ..
Read this nice and slow again and understand the mentallity it comes from
" people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored. "
People who do not have Mythics cannot have valid opinion on Wows difficulty .... So here we are again , More facts i realize you 3 like to ignore them and dance around them all day .. But number and facts do not lie ..
If any of you would like to discuss any of the facts above in the True and False i listed and dispute them with actual facts , ill listen till then , you have nothing worthwhile to contribute here ....
If someone could not beat a game, would you believe them that the game was Too Easy?
Would it matter how much of the game they played?
If someone beat a game with no apparent effort, would you believe them that the game was Too Hard?
Would it Matter how much of the Game they played?
Think about for that a while before you cry about "But.. but if they played 98% of the game"
The fact that you refuse to answer the simple question that derived from your anaolgy , tells me all i need to know ..
Your constant goal post moving and detracting does not work ..
But plz just answer the question ...
yes or no
Can you formulate a valid opinion of Greece by visiting 98% of it ?
Nv/m .. really no need you have failed here with logic
you have failed here with reason
You dont even have the intestinal fortitude to answer a simple question but would rather see how many ways you can dance around it ...
So what we are going to do is bookmark this page ad anytime that you or Jean-Puc tell us about a games Difficulty we are going to link back to this and you Must produce SS of BiS along with achievements .. Otherwise your opinion is invalid ..
Well, They only have a VALID opinion if they talk about the 98% they have seen, and know to shut up about the 2% they haven't.
If they try to say their Opinion applied to 100% of Greece, they would be wrong
Does that answer your question?
Case in point, I worked in New York, but I never stopped in at any of the museum's or major tourist attractions, only went into the Empire State Building once and that was to take a piss.. so, while I have a very vast knowledge of the residential apartment areas, in ways most people will NEVER know, If someone asked me "Well what about the Statue of Liberty" I would not know a damn thing that someone else could not learn from a postcard.
Can I formulate an Opinion of New York.. Sure.. I think it's a shit hole, but that feeling is limited to what I know and have seen.. and does not apply to what I don't know.
Same applies to a game. You can say "Well I played WoW, I think it's too easy" ok.. you feels, but that does not apply to the areas you haven't been or the content you didn't do because it was too hard for you.
Understand?
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
If someone could not beat a game, would you believe them that the game was Too Easy?
Would it matter how much of the game they played?
If someone beat a game with no apparent effort, would you believe them that the game was Too Hard?
Would it Matter how much of the Game they played?
Think about for that a while before you cry about "But.. but if they played 98% of the game"
The fact that you refuse to answer the simple question that derived from your anaolgy , tells me all i need to know ..
Your constant goal post moving and detracting does not work ..
But plz just answer the question ...
yes or no
Can you formulate a valid opinion of Greece by visiting 98% of it ?
Nv/m .. really no need you have failed here with logic
you have failed here with reason
You dont even have the intestinal fortitude to answer a simple question but would rather see how many ways you can dance around it ...
So what we are going to do is bookmark this page ad anytime that you or Jean-Puc tell us about a games Difficulty we are going to link back to this and you Must produce SS of BiS along with achievements .. Otherwise your opinion is invalid ..
Well, They only have a VALID opinion if they talk about the 98% they have seen, and know to shut up about the 2% they haven't.
If they try to say their Opinion applied to 100% of Greece, they would be wrong
Does that answer your question?
Case in point, I worked in New York, but I never stopped in at any of the museum's or major tourist attractions, only went into the Empire State Building once and that was to take a piss.. so, while I have a very vast knowledge of the residential apartment areas, in ways most people will NEVER know, If someone asked me "Well what about the Statue of Liberty" I would not know a damn thing that someone else could not learn from a postcard.
Can I formulate an Opinion of New York.. Sure.. I think it's a shit hole, but that feeling is limited to what I know and have seen.. and does not apply to what I don't know.
Same applies to a game. You can say "Well I played WoW, I think it's too easy" ok.. you feels, but that does not apply to the areas you haven't been or the content you didn't do because it was too hard for you.
Understand?
LMFAO i did say that way back there wayy wayy back .. try again .. and your semantics are weak at best
plz answer the question ...
ts very easy ....
If Ungood explores 98% of Greece can he form aa valid opinion on Greece ...?'
simple yes or no
and as afr as Wow goes you are moving goalposts again , can you make a point with out doing that ...
The question was if you complete 98% of Wow s content and complete Normal/Heroics/Challenges ,, but do not want to dedicat the time to Mythics can you form a valid opinion of Wows difficulty ...
And like i said i did say just that relative to Mythics here ...
"Now if ya wanna say they cant have an Opinion on Myth runs , (ill buy that) as they did not do them"
Oddly enough i said it in response to you , understandable that you did not comprehend it tho and continue on this charade ...
As that is not what is being proposed Ive always stood by that notion its others here that have not ...The irony of the point you try to make with it defending a person who does not believe it ..lmfao .... you cant make this shit up
"Now if ya wanna say they cant have an Opinion on Myth runs , (ill buy that) as they did not do them"
WoW... it's almost as if you are not as stupid as I first imagined.
However, the Nogood.. just makes you a dick.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
"Now if ya wanna say they cant have an Opinion on Myth runs , (ill buy that) as they did not do them"
WoW... it's almost as if you are not as stupid as I first imagined.
However, the Nogood.. just makes you a dick.
said the guy who did not read or comprehend the thread hes been responding in for 3 pages ..lol And you want to call me stupid because you did not comprehend the very basis of the discussion you been railing in for 3 pages .... priceless
lol actually Nogood was a typo .. ill fix that ... sorry
but your still welcome to answer the simple question ..yes or no
If Ungood explores 98% of Greece can he form a valid opinion of Greece?
But
then you move the goalposts again .. Its a popular thing to do when you
have no credible response to the actual issue ... ill try again
Lets play True or False
1.Is it true Jean believes that " people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored.
True
2. Has Jean ever asked anyone to SS there Mythics to back up there stance on Wow difficulty
True
3. Do 1% of Wow players complete Mythicals ?
true
4. Are Mythicals runs less than 1% of Wows total content ?
True
5. If Jean were to climb 99% of Greeces Mts could he form a valid opinon on its difficulty ?
True
6. If No Good explored 98% of Greece could form a valid opinion on Greece?
True
7 . If Lahnmir completed 98 % of Wows content could form a valid opinion of Wows difficulty ..?
He believes you cannot have a valid opinion of Wows difficulty unless
you have Mythics, And if you dont and you voice your opinion you are
worthy of being ignored...
these are all the facts from this excercise hope it helps some of you understand
You sir are an idiot. I didn't take a step, I gave you the SAME answer as before, you didn't even properly read what I wrote. You play wanna be ringleader pitting people against each other but I've got nothing to do with you, I answered a question posed by Vengesunsoar, then you rudely barged in with your nonsense and made a mess of it. I am not against or versus Jean, you just try to use me to push your agenda.
Its not working, from this point on I fully agree with everything @Jean-Luc_Picard says on the matter, he is right. And good luck with your discussion, it isn't mine.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Got it so you have the stance that ..
Read this nice and slow again and understand the mentallity it comes from
" people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored. "
People who do not have Mythics cannot have valid opinion on Wows difficulty .... So here we are again , More facts i realize you 3 like to ignore them and dance around them all day .. But number and facts do not lie ..
If any of you would like to discuss any of the facts above in the True and False i listed and dispute them with actual facts , ill listen till then , you have nothing worthwhile to contribute here ....
No, you read nice and slow now. I was talking to someone else when you interrupted that with your verbal diarreah, I wasn't talking with you and not part of your discussion, you pulled me in with your shitty attitude and BS. You were the one not contributing to MY discussion, you just randomly inserted your crap and decided to have a lousy attitude while at it, I wasn't talking to you in the first place. I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand, your actual contribution so far has been far below anything I find response worthy, the only reason I reply at all is because you out of nowhere decided to insult me, thinking this was somehow acceptable.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
But
then you move the goalposts again .. Its a popular thing to do when you
have no credible response to the actual issue ... ill try again
Lets play True or False
1.Is it true Jean believes that " people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored.
True
2. Has Jean ever asked anyone to SS there Mythics to back up there stance on Wow difficulty
True
3. Do 1% of Wow players complete Mythicals ?
true
4. Are Mythicals runs less than 1% of Wows total content ?
True
5. If Jean were to climb 99% of Greeces Mts could he form a valid opinon on its difficulty ?
True
6. If No Good explored 98% of Greece could form a valid opinion on Greece?
True
7 . If Lahnmir completed 98 % of Wows content could form a valid opinion of Wows difficulty ..?
He believes you cannot have a valid opinion of Wows difficulty unless
you have Mythics, And if you dont and you voice your opinion you are
worthy of being ignored...
these are all the facts from this excercise hope it helps some of you understand
You sir are an idiot. I didn't take a step, I gave you the SAME answer as before, you didn't even properly read what I wrote. You play wanna be ringleader pitting people against each other but I've got nothing to do with you, I answered a question posed by Vengesunsoar, then you rudely barged in with your nonsense and made a mess of it. I am not against or versus Jean, you just try to use me to push your agenda.
Its not working, from this point on I fully agree with everything @Jean-Luc_Picard says on the matter, he is right. And good luck with your discussion, it isn't mine.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Got it so you have the stance that ..
Read this nice and slow again and understand the mentallity it comes from
" people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored. "
People who do not have Mythics cannot have valid opinion on Wows difficulty .... So here we are again , More facts i realize you 3 like to ignore them and dance around them all day .. But number and facts do not lie ..
If any of you would like to discuss any of the facts above in the True and False i listed and dispute them with actual facts , ill listen till then , you have nothing worthwhile to contribute here ....
No, you read nice and slow now. I was talking to someone else when you interrupted that with your verbal diarreah, I wasn't talking with you and not part of your discussion, you pulled me in with your shitty artitude and BS. You were the one not contributing, you just randomly inserted your crap and decided to have a lousy attitude while at it, I wasn't talking to you in the first place. I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand, your actual contribution so far has been far below anything I find response worthy.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
lol wow , go back and read the thread starting on page 8 Venge was in response to a discussion between me Jean and Ungood , when you stepped in .. go read and understand the progression .. It was a discussion Venge was responding to the conetnt of that discussion , Did you want some 1on 1 time with Venge ?
And i dont care you responded , the more the merrier , but you cannot expect to post in a public forum and only that one person to respond .. On the content , as this is a public forum .. If you wanted to have aprivate conversation with Venge you should of Pmed him ..
But
then you move the goalposts again .. Its a popular thing to do when you
have no credible response to the actual issue ... ill try again
Lets play True or False
1.Is it true Jean believes that " people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored.
True
2. Has Jean ever asked anyone to SS there Mythics to back up there stance on Wow difficulty
True
3. Do 1% of Wow players complete Mythicals ?
true
4. Are Mythicals runs less than 1% of Wows total content ?
True
5. If Jean were to climb 99% of Greeces Mts could he form a valid opinon on its difficulty ?
True
6. If No Good explored 98% of Greece could form a valid opinion on Greece?
True
7 . If Lahnmir completed 98 % of Wows content could form a valid opinion of Wows difficulty ..?
He believes you cannot have a valid opinion of Wows difficulty unless
you have Mythics, And if you dont and you voice your opinion you are
worthy of being ignored...
these are all the facts from this excercise hope it helps some of you understand
You sir are an idiot. I didn't take a step, I gave you the SAME answer as before, you didn't even properly read what I wrote. You play wanna be ringleader pitting people against each other but I've got nothing to do with you, I answered a question posed by Vengesunsoar, then you rudely barged in with your nonsense and made a mess of it. I am not against or versus Jean, you just try to use me to push your agenda.
Its not working, from this point on I fully agree with everything @Jean-Luc_Picard says on the matter, he is right. And good luck with your discussion, it isn't mine.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Got it so you have the stance that ..
Read this nice and slow again and understand the mentallity it comes from
" people who never actually
completed the hardest actual content of said games, are not worth your
time and only deserve to be ignored. "
People who do not have Mythics cannot have valid opinion on Wows difficulty .... So here we are again , More facts i realize you 3 like to ignore them and dance around them all day .. But number and facts do not lie ..
If any of you would like to discuss any of the facts above in the True and False i listed and dispute them with actual facts , ill listen till then , you have nothing worthwhile to contribute here ....
No, you read nice and slow now. I was talking to someone else when you interrupted that with your verbal diarreah, I wasn't talking with you and not part of your discussion, you pulled me in with your shitty artitude and BS. You were the one not contributing, you just randomly inserted your crap and decided to have a lousy attitude while at it, I wasn't talking to you in the first place. I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand, your actual contribution so far has been far below anything I find response worthy.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
lol wow , go back and read the thread starting on page 8 Venge was in response to a discussion between me Jean and Ungood , when you stepped in .. go read and understand the progression .. It was a discussion Venge was responding to the conetnt of that discussion , Did you want some 1on 1 time with Venge ?
And i dont care you responded , the more the merrier , but you cannot expect to post in a public forum and only that one person to respond .. On the content , as this is a public forum .. If you wanted to have aprivate conversation with Venge you should of Pmed him ..
Actually, Venge asked a very simple question to which I gave a direct answer, context wasn't given and wasn't needed either.
Then you come waltzing in not liking my examples given and question if I have followed the discussion at all in the rudest way possible. I give you an answer which you apperently find hard to read but doesn't stop you from acting like a jerk. I repeat the answer and you decide to be a jerk a bit more.
I don't have to follow your rules, your logic, your 'rules of engagement', you are not the boss of anything around here. I will however not put up with people that act like jerks, which is you. So I'll say it again, go bother someone else, I am not interested in your ramblings and insults.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
If you were able to follow the discussion you would see that Venge simple question was response to , page 8 ...you can see Venges direct and lengthy response to the discusion about peoples experiences and difficulty of , then he asks later on page 9 the simple question that you responded to , But you realize that his question was directed at the the discussion already taking place from page 8 , which you were not even there yet ... I understand your upset , i mean how many times can you be shown to be wrong .. The facts are there again to look at but i realize you generally dont like facts ...The context was given and was a direct result of his lengthy response on page 8..Its very obvious his question is directed that established discussion , it directly ties into and is a good question ..
If you were following the discussion and comprhending it you would understand exactly where Venges simple question stemmed from and was directed to , but thats okay i dont mind anyone joining in , even those that arent really following the discussion , it makes it challenging but fun ..
And this is along thread , there are several seperate and disticnt discussions , the one we are referencing starts on page 8 with Jean ..
1. The OP's title is about finding those that like easy, not the definition of easy. Everyone, included the OP changed it into a debate about definition.
2. If you can make a game easy to play... as in using macros, exploits, boosts, you name it... you can also make a game hard to play... as in, playing naked, creating a custom build that can't possibly deliver any damage, taking the most difficult path to complete anything.
If it's easy, it's because you choose to play it that way. So the definition is moot.
Hell the whole thread is just another pointless "why me" thread about how the OP has nothing to play.
1. Yes the title is about finding people that like easy. The point was, how come it's always the other guy and never "the person himself"...… I gave up because no one admits they like the childish content of todays games. My opinion, I don't think many like easy.
2. Playing naked as a work around ? This is just a dumb response that I see every so often. No one would ever play that way unless you want to get kicked as a pervert.
EVERYONE plays any game to build yourself up (gear and such). Without it the player has nothing. And to suggest such a crazy suggestion is just that, crazy !
I also gave up because all releases and classics are so "easy" you can gather up the entire zone and press your Boom button and kill everything, CLEAR IS DAY. Yet posters are talking about hard jumping puzzles
How come I have nothing to play ? Because you press a button and boom, easy right !
What's easy? That's what's tricky. How can someone answer in the affirmative if they're unsure what you mean?
I'll throw a bone for anybody reading this. What if hard cannot be painless or relaxing? What if actual challenges always produce frustration and pain? What if most MMORPG players prefer less pain and more relaxation, so most MMORPGs are that way?
One thing that tends to happen when things are truly hard is YOU FAIL. A lot. When we fail, it tends to hurt and cause frustration. When things are moderately hard, we still fail, but not as much. When things are easy, we rarely fail. It's a breeze by comparison. Can anyone agree?
So why do most MMORPG players seem to want a balmy breeze rather than a storm. Why do they want to avoid the frustration and stress of overcoming difficult challenges? Is it human nature, possible? Or do they already experience enough of that in real life? And should we avoid using the term easy, since MMORPGs do have some challenges. We're not talking about two extremes. All MMORPGs are a mixture of easy and hard elements, with most leaning to the easier elements.
Also difficult challenges don't have to be complex or intellectually challenging. Just grinding 24/7 could be considered difficult since it's so boring and hard to do if you have a real life. It's also one thing to do something for 1 hour, but it's altogether different to maintain the same level of concentration for 10 hours. One of the prerequisites of something being hard or difficult is most people have trouble doing it or finishing it. So technically grind can be difficult if there's a range of success from bottom to top, with the most successful grinders at the top and the least at the bottom.
What's easy? That's what's tricky. How can someone answer in the affirmative if they're unsure what you mean?
I'll throw a bone for anybody reading this. What if hard cannot be painless or relaxing? What if actual challenges always produce frustration and pain? What if most MMORPG players prefer less pain and more relaxation, so most MMORPGs are that way?
One thing that tends to happen when things are truly hard is YOU FAIL. A lot. When we fail, it tends to hurt and cause frustration. When things are moderately hard, we still fail, but not as much. When things are easy, we rarely fail. It's a breeze by comparison. Can anyone agree?
So why do most MMORPG players seem to want a balmy breeze rather than a storm. Why do they want to avoid the frustration and stress of overcoming difficult challenges? Is it human nature, possible? Or do they already experience enough of that in real life? And should we avoid using the term easy, since MMORPGs do have some challenges. We're not talking about two extremes. All MMORPGs are a mixture of easy and hard elements, with most leaning to the easier elements.
Also difficult challenges don't have to be complex or intellectually challenging. Just grinding 24/7 could be considered difficult since it's so boring and hard to do if you have a real life. It's also one thing to do something for 1 hour, but it's altogether different to maintain the same level of concentration for 10 hours. One of the prerequisites of something being hard or difficult is most people have trouble doing it or finishing it. So technically grind can be difficult if there's a range of success from bottom to top, with the most successful grinders at the top and the least at the bottom.
Just a thought.
What a bunch of crap,.... What are you a little baby, snowflake maybe ?
mmorpg's are made absolutely crazy easy.... Yet about every tenth posters are asking define easy ! If you cant see it right in front of your face you must be blind.
What's easy? That's what's tricky. How can someone answer in the affirmative if they're unsure what you mean?
I'll throw a bone for anybody reading this. What if hard cannot be painless or relaxing? What if actual challenges always produce frustration and pain? What if most MMORPG players prefer less pain and more relaxation, so most MMORPGs are that way?
One thing that tends to happen when things are truly hard is YOU FAIL. A lot. When we fail, it tends to hurt and cause frustration. When things are moderately hard, we still fail, but not as much. When things are easy, we rarely fail. It's a breeze by comparison. Can anyone agree?
So why do most MMORPG players seem to want a balmy breeze rather than a storm. Why do they want to avoid the frustration and stress of overcoming difficult challenges? Is it human nature, possible? Or do they already experience enough of that in real life? And should we avoid using the term easy, since MMORPGs do have some challenges. We're not talking about two extremes. All MMORPGs are a mixture of easy and hard elements, with most leaning to the easier elements.
Also difficult challenges don't have to be complex or intellectually challenging. Just grinding 24/7 could be considered difficult since it's so boring and hard to do if you have a real life. It's also one thing to do something for 1 hour, but it's altogether different to maintain the same level of concentration for 10 hours. One of the prerequisites of something being hard or difficult is most people have trouble doing it or finishing it. So technically grind can be difficult if there's a range of success from bottom to top, with the most successful grinders at the top and the least at the bottom.
Just a thought.
What a bunch of crap,.... What are you a little baby, snowflake maybe ?
You're lucky we're on forums I can't tell you what I really think right now.
If all you wanna be's don't like easy, why aren't the hard mmo's smash hits?
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
My take is that I simply don't want to play any multiplayer content that requires voice communication or scheduling time to do it.
I recently went back to LOTRO and they totally overtuned mordor mobs and made that leveling content MUCH harder than any that preceded it. It wasn't fun and dying multiple times means either using their currency to revive in place or starting over at the beginning of the area due to respawns. (Their next update addresses this issue) And so I definitely do not enjoy overly challenging leveling content. I prefer that content be saved for end game.
At this point I just want a reasonable challenge that takes a good time commitment to complete as well as something that allows me to solo a large portion of the time and feel like I'm progressing in some fashion.
I leave the really challenging games to the tryhards.
If all you wanna be's don't like easy, why aren't the hard mmo's smash hits?
I moved the answer to this question to a new topic. It seems marketing needs to be explained every day !
Wildstar lost a ton of players in the first couple of months, that wasn't due to marketing. That was in no small part due to players no longer wanting longass attunements and 40 man raids.
Classic WOW will be an exception due to the nostalgia factor as well as people being familiar with the mechanics to the point where it will be much easier than it was the first time around.
If all you wanna be's don't like easy, why aren't the hard mmo's smash hits?
I moved the answer to this question to a new topic. It seems marketing needs to be explained every day !
Wildstar lost a ton of players in the first couple of months, that wasn't due to marketing. That was in no small part due to players no longer wanting longass attunements and 40 man raids.
I think that's a misconception (to a certain degree).
I wanted longass attunements and 40 man raids.
I didn't want the tedious leveling with all those stupid gimmicky quests. Hence I quit the game before reaching the Raid content.
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But I am not getting pulled into this little crusade you've got going on, especially not with that attitude and not being able to respond in a normal matter. You are on the wrong path however, people who have only done the easy part of an MMO can still call it difficult because they know of the harder parts although they haven't done them themselves. Only in a vacuum, where they are blissfully unaware of the content they haven't played, can they confidentally call it easy, it doesn't say anything about the actual game though.
I am out though, go be an ass to someone else, I am not impressed.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
But, Let me hold your hand here one last time. See you are under some delusion that it works all ways, and it doesn't.
Lets try another approach.
Gamer A: This game is too easy!
Gamer B: Really, how fast did you beat it?
Gamer A: Oh I didn't beat it.
Gamer B: Why not?
Gamer A: The end Content was too hard.
Gamer B: But you Said the Game was Too Easy?
Gamer A: It is Too Easy, I just can't do the Hard Part.
Gamer B: But.. you can't do the Hard part.
Gamer A: Yes, I said that, what seems to be your problem, I said the game is too easy, but I can't do the hard part of it, what is there that you do not understand.
Do you not see the problem with this logic?
Lets try that again:
Gamer A: This game is Too Hard.
Gamer B: Really? How far did you get?
Gamer A: I made it to maxed level, but the Raid content was just beyond my skill cap
Gamer B: Oh, so just the Raids are Too hard for you huh?
Gamer A: Well also about half the Jump Puzzles, and there were a few other quests that I could not complete as well.
Gamer B: Yah, sounds like the game has some parts that are Too hard for you.
Gamer A: Yup, hence why I said the game is Too Hard.
See, you can formulate opinions of a game, you just can't be a dummy about it.
Its not working, from this point on I fully agree with everything @Jean-Luc_Picard says on the matter, he is right. And good luck with your discussion, it isn't mine.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
If they try to say their Opinion applied to 100% of Greece, they would be wrong
Does that answer your question?
Case in point, I worked in New York, but I never stopped in at any of the museum's or major tourist attractions, only went into the Empire State Building once and that was to take a piss.. so, while I have a very vast knowledge of the residential apartment areas, in ways most people will NEVER know, If someone asked me "Well what about the Statue of Liberty" I would not know a damn thing that someone else could not learn from a postcard.
Can I formulate an Opinion of New York.. Sure.. I think it's a shit hole, but that feeling is limited to what I know and have seen.. and does not apply to what I don't know.
Same applies to a game. You can say "Well I played WoW, I think it's too easy" ok.. you feels, but that does not apply to the areas you haven't been or the content you didn't do because it was too hard for you.
Understand?
However, the Nogood.. just makes you a dick.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Then you come waltzing in not liking my examples given and question if I have followed the discussion at all in the rudest way possible. I give you an answer which you apperently find hard to read but doesn't stop you from acting like a jerk. I repeat the answer and you decide to be a jerk a bit more.
I don't have to follow your rules, your logic, your 'rules of engagement', you are not the boss of anything around here. I will however not put up with people that act like jerks, which is you. So I'll say it again, go bother someone else, I am not interested in your ramblings and insults.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
2. Playing naked as a work around ? This is just a dumb response that I see every so often. No one would ever play that way unless you want to get kicked as a pervert.
EVERYONE plays any game to build yourself up (gear and such). Without it the player has nothing. And to suggest such a crazy suggestion is just that, crazy !
I also gave up because all releases and classics are so "easy" you can gather up the entire zone and press your Boom button and kill everything, CLEAR IS DAY. Yet posters are talking about hard jumping puzzles
How come I have nothing to play ?
Because you press a button and boom, easy right !
So yes @btdt, now you can twist this around
I'll throw a bone for anybody reading this. What if hard cannot be painless or relaxing? What if actual challenges always produce frustration and pain? What if most MMORPG players prefer less pain and more relaxation, so most MMORPGs are that way?
One thing that tends to happen when things are truly hard is YOU FAIL. A lot. When we fail, it tends to hurt and cause frustration. When things are moderately hard, we still fail, but not as much. When things are easy, we rarely fail. It's a breeze by comparison. Can anyone agree?
So why do most MMORPG players seem to want a balmy breeze rather than a storm. Why do they want to avoid the frustration and stress of overcoming difficult challenges? Is it human nature, possible? Or do they already experience enough of that in real life? And should we avoid using the term easy, since MMORPGs do have some challenges. We're not talking about two extremes. All MMORPGs are a mixture of easy and hard elements, with most leaning to the easier elements.
Also difficult challenges don't have to be complex or intellectually challenging. Just grinding 24/7 could be considered difficult since it's so boring and hard to do if you have a real life. It's also one thing to do something for 1 hour, but it's altogether different to maintain the same level of concentration for 10 hours. One of the prerequisites of something being hard or difficult is most people have trouble doing it or finishing it. So technically grind can be difficult if there's a range of success from bottom to top, with the most successful grinders at the top and the least at the bottom.
Just a thought.
mmorpg's are made absolutely crazy easy.... Yet about every tenth posters are asking define easy ! If you cant see it right in front of your face you must be blind.
I'm not defining nothing
Sorry, that just popped in my head
I didn't want the tedious leveling with all those stupid gimmicky quests.
Hence I quit the game before reaching the Raid content.