I would have agreed with you when Brad had misappropriated the funds but he is no longer able to do that and the game has been coming along albeit slowly but there has been a lot of progress and I think 2020 or 2021 we might see the game.
I really do believe the game will release and it will see a small population that will include people like me who want to play another Everquest very much. I do not know what rock you crawled out of but I suggest you should go right back under it as you clearly have ignored all the updates the game has been receiving and the videos on youtube.
oh it will come out. No question about that. The thing I am curious to see is the reaction from EQ1 fans when they see how much this game is not like EQ1
Current EQ1 or last century EQ1?
Probably will be something in between imo.
Before mercs, before guild lobby corpse summon, but not so far back as "stay for the 3 hour fear raid corpse recovery or lose all your stuff" eq.
Well i can't argue with your perception of what Pantheon will be,name one good game that has come out in the last 10 years? BTW Vanguard was pretty good,yes it showed us bugs but aside from bugs,the game was a more robust design than any of the other EQ2/Wow clones.Problem is i don't consider those to be very good games,i mean a MMO on rails,wtf ,linear questing that rewards experience towards your class for doing non class related quests,again wtf.
OI gave my thought on why Pantheon is existing right now,Brad needed a job,he needs to make money,you know the same reason THIS very site mmorpg.com changed so much and in a bad way>>>to make money.That is why ALL of these developers or at least 99% of are in this ,to make money and will sell you any hook line and sinker to get you to buy in.
Guess what i have seen the last several years,as i am sure others have seen as well,ALL the crap is selling,toss out some marketing videos,pay streamers,pay websites to promote your game and it just sells no matter what. That other guy was selling his game by promoting it as another DAOC,Brad is selling this as a EQ1,this is what these businesses do,they MARKET their product.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
oh it will come out. No question about that. The thing I am curious to see is the reaction from EQ1 fans when they see how much this game is not like EQ1
Current EQ1 or last century EQ1?
Probably will be something in between imo.
Before mercs, before guild lobby corpse summon, but not so far back as "stay for the 3 hour fear raid corpse recovery or lose all your stuff" eq.
Hey those long corpse recoveries were not that bad. When it was really bad is when your internet was dialup and had a tendency to go down a lot. Nothing like being on a raid and getting stuck in the middle of the zone when you net crashed and took the night off. Of course people were nice back then and when the next group was doing the raid they would message you when they got to your corpse and send a wizard down to get you. I worry more about the players not being like they were back then than the game not being like EQ enough. The players made the game in my opinion. As far as the game goes, I am sure it get released. When is the big question.
I won't pay a ct for this game as ancient player of VG. What i saw on youtube reminds me bad old days of VG, same engine same features same fights same design... Here comes VG2 without Microsoft or SOE... Huge project, no money, few devs... Perfect game for me on the paper but... no. Not twice. Payed for VG, SOTA repopulation, warhammer online, Landmark, H1Z1, SWG, all dead. Payed enough. i'm done.
I won't pay a ct for this game as ancient player of VG. What i saw on youtube reminds me bad old days of VG, same engine same features same fights same design... Here comes VG2 without Microsoft or SOE... Huge project, no money, few devs... Perfect game for me on the paper but... no. Not twice. Payed for VG, SOTA repopulation, warhammer online, Landmark, H1Z1, SWG, all dead. Payed enough. i'm done.
Well I not sure if I buy the game or not but I am willing to watch how development goes and wait till it much further along before I make a yes or no decision. I may wait till after its released and read the reviews before deciding. I don't see the logic in deciding before the game is out of alpha.
They should sell some ships. Then they'd have a crap ton of money to hire people to get this thing released. And then sure, you can fly a ship around to kill goblins.
I won't pay a ct for this game as ancient player of VG. What i saw on youtube reminds me bad old days of VG, same engine same features same fights same design... Here comes VG2 without Microsoft or SOE... Huge project, no money, few devs... Perfect game for me on the paper but... no. Not twice. Payed for VG, SOTA repopulation, warhammer online, Landmark, H1Z1, SWG, all dead. Payed enough. i'm done.
Well I not sure if I buy the game or not but I am willing to watch how development goes and wait till it much further along before I make a yes or no decision. I may wait till after its released and read the reviews before deciding. I don't see the logic in deciding before the game is out of alpha.
This game has been in production forever. Brad is great at setting high expectations and then not hitting any of them. He is a sell out to the MMO community. Look at what he has done in the past. He sold out Everquest, Sold out Vanguard (firing the whole team in a parking lot and not even man enough to show up) saying SOE would not be involved and then selling out to SOE again, this game has been in production for what 5 years or so now with a release date of 2020? Seriously? It's vaporware. If it is released it will be crap and unfinished. They will get their money from those stupid enough to buy it and they will dump it to SOE most likely (if not before hand).
There is the saying "Don't Hold Your Breath" that applies here. SOE, Brad and Smedly are the worst things to ever happen to MMO's.
I can respect your anger, but were only talking about video games.... It's not healthy to truly be hostel over that.... Even worst to carry it for years !
Eventually most find forgiveness over time. For JUST a video game, it should be more so.
This is what I think: First and formost, none of us have all the facts of the past, not even a remote small part of what happened, I don't care what was published in articles. Who knows what some promised to others and how as a human being it was excepted on a personal level.... People have their feelings, right or wrong they do.... It's called life, it's call personalities !
Putting the past aside... This is my opinion of Brad... He has intentions of doing right by the people. I no longer feel its a money issue to him. He wants to grow old knowing he contributed something good.
Justified or Un-Justified no one likes their name publicly humiliated. Most would walk away and be bitter.... But Brads a fighter!...……. He wants to do right and fix the past.
I won't pay a ct for this game as ancient player of VG. What i saw on youtube reminds me bad old days of VG, same engine same features same fights same design... Here comes VG2 without Microsoft or SOE... Huge project, no money, few devs... Perfect game for me on the paper but... no. Not twice. Payed for VG, SOTA repopulation, warhammer online, Landmark, H1Z1, SWG, all dead. Payed enough. i'm done.
Well I not sure if I buy the game or not but I am willing to watch how development goes and wait till it much further along before I make a yes or no decision. I may wait till after its released and read the reviews before deciding. I don't see the logic in deciding before the game is out of alpha.
can't you see it's VG again ? without funds ?
Nah if it was VG, it would have a bard. I don't see no bard around yet do you?
Regardless its going to be group focused with a PvP flair, two things the 'modern' MMO crowd isnt all that into. it will be niche at best and will more than likely flounder around for awhile and eventually disappear. Unless by some miracle of miracles they can develop content fast enough to keep their fanbase engaged, and if they do that theyll be the first company to ever do it.
I want all these kickstarter games to come out and be successful. I want more choices for us and perhaps a new gaming home. I just do not have any faith in the Kickstarter system. My gut feeling is this game will probably never come out.
Who knows? We can only hope for the best...
I most certainly would not argue CHOICE but it is not that simple.
Just ask your self if it is a good idea to try and design a game on an unknown budget and unknown time frame? Then if these type of devs are actually listening to their backers as they claim,what happens if they are not happy and you already have a limited budget,start over?
Bottom line is all of these new upstart business ventures should NOT be attempting to make a game.Then there is the fact they are totally willing to sacrifice YOUR money but not willing to put anything of their own up front,so there is very little incentive.
Once a dev is able to get started they know they already have a core base of supporters hook lien and sinker.All they have to do for the next 1-5 years is keep patting them on the back,keep telling them they listen,the game is all because of YOU our wonderful backers,yada yada.They can run on for a long time while never having a finished product.."we are making sure it is great" haha of course you are.
Kickstarter is a real bad idea,i want to know the developer is putting his life on the line,putting up a lot of their own money,that way i know the effort to succeed will be there.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Regardless its going to be group focused with a PvP flair, two things the 'modern' MMO crowd isnt all that into. it will be niche at best and will more than likely flounder around for awhile and eventually disappear. Unless by some miracle of miracles they can develop content fast enough to keep their fanbase engaged, and if they do that theyll be the first company to ever do it.
Well I am sure they will have a PvP server at release but you do know this is otherwise a PvE game.
Regardless its going to be group focused with a PvP flair, two things the 'modern' MMO crowd isnt all that into. it will be niche at best and will more than likely flounder around for awhile and eventually disappear. Unless by some miracle of miracles they can develop content fast enough to keep their fanbase engaged, and if they do that theyll be the first company to ever do it.
Well I am sure they will have a PvP server at release but you do know this is otherwise a PvE game.
Thats why I said 'flair'. I mean theyre claiming its going to be a 'sand box' game. The catch all definition everyone was excited over years ago when they first announced this thing. So to be 'sand box' it has to have PvP in it somewhere. Or at least the possibility of PvP.
But more than likely all a sales pitch and this thing will be like evry other game out there which is gear focused and everyone will be grinding to get the best gear, which in a non PvP atmosphere doesnt make any sense.
Its why 'raiding' is useless now. USED to be you HAD to get gear to progress. now everyone just face rolls content and grinds encounters to win their lottery spot. If you can do the content WITHOUT the gear then why would you WANT the gear? And if people think doing the same dungeon 2 or 3 times a week on a shedule is somehow 'fun' then I dont know what to tell them. But some people are still brainwashed that way. Most arent thats why MMOs are, as I keep saying, are dead.
I want all these kickstarter games to come out and be successful. I want more choices for us and perhaps a new gaming home. I just do not have any faith in the Kickstarter system. My gut feeling is this game will probably never come out.
Who knows? We can only hope for the best...
I most certainly would not argue CHOICE but it is not that simple.
Just ask your self if it is a good idea to try and design a game on an unknown budget and unknown time frame? Then if these type of devs are actually listening to their backers as they claim,what happens if they are not happy and you already have a limited budget,start over?
Bottom line is all of these new upstart business ventures should NOT be attempting to make a game.Then there is the fact they are totally willing to sacrifice YOUR money but not willing to put anything of their own up front,so there is very little incentive.
Once a dev is able to get started they know they already have a core base of supporters hook lien and sinker.All they have to do for the next 1-5 years is keep patting them on the back,keep telling them they listen,the game is all because of YOU our wonderful backers,yada yada.They can run on for a long time while never having a finished product.."we are making sure it is great" haha of course you are.
Kickstarter is a real bad idea,i want to know the developer is putting his life on the line,putting up a lot of their own money,that way i know the effort to succeed will be there.
Most if not all of the people starting these independent games don't have the money to self fund development. So I guess you are saying that games should only be made by the big boys like blizzard, EA, Valve, ect As far as kickstarter goes, I would not put any money into a game on it but what other people do with their money is not my business (guess its no worse than buying lotto tickets or gambling).
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Except Star Citizen is actually launching next year, early fall to be more exact.
At least that's the internal schedule
I thought it was launching 2014. Then I believe 2015 was the date with the single player which was pushed back to 2016, then 2017 and then now no date because they are tired of being yelled at by their fans for some odd reason.
Star Citizen will launch when its bled its whales dry and their only option to squeeze a little more money out of the fanbase will be to hype up release, have a few ship sales to celebrate the imminent release and then blame Derek Smart when the game fails to live up to said hype.
Regardless its going to be group focused with a PvP flair, two things the 'modern' MMO crowd isnt all that into. it will be niche at best and will more than likely flounder around for awhile and eventually disappear. Unless by some miracle of miracles they can develop content fast enough to keep their fanbase engaged, and if they do that theyll be the first company to ever do it.
At best because even Eq1 and VG fans are not going to buy this game as it is. not twice you can trust me. because i'm one. VG has been a total disaster and I see a 2nd disaster (in)coming. (IMO worst than VG)
You can compare with VG vidéos on YouTube it's the SAME engine. Listen man, ALL independant MMOS are FAILS and noone plays them anymore: I talk about Repopulation, SOTA, Fallen earth...
On fora you'll see hard core fanbois praying for new independant games but you won't see the same fanbois online. only facts.
On VG (yeah on VG not even an indie game I know but a BIG fail) on Fallen earth on SOTA on Repopulation I was ALONE on all maps. ALONE. You're happy when you see ONE player. ONE. ONE one all server.
On VG I was ALONE not only on 1 map but on all Asian country. (forgot the name) On PVP FFA VG (SARTOK ! yeah sartok) I was ALONE. ALONE on KOJAN. ALONE. I saw ONE another player on Sartok, maybe 2 but on beginnnig area.
You could see some players on Island but not on the world. Not even a player on cities... some of them coming for Christmas only for the goodies no more. for Rudolph for a flying mount. that's all. You could see ONE another player crafting on qualia on Khal. not even a player on housing area, not even 1.
Only facts
Fanbois will leave this game faster than yourself so never trust those people. They make viral marketing because they need YOUR MONEY to make their dream come true. They don't care about yourself. Never.
As soon as the game is a disaster they leave it, but whining for years on fora and saying it's your fault blizzards fault etc. There' s noone on SOTA noone on repopulation noone on Fallen earth and I've been ALONE on VG ALONE on SWG it's enough. NOONE. Not because of us or blizzard or EA or ... but because they are not fun and unfinished.
Your choice. If you're looking for a MMO take the best ones the most played that's all. and forget the others because you're going to pay a lot for zero fun.
Maybe i'm wrong but I don't think so.
Few devs few funds, no real news, only some videos made by a hard core fanboy . i won't give a cent to Pantheon VG2. payed enough.
BTW Pantheon is not a kickstarter funded game.
Yep because kickstarter has been a total fail too. noone wanted to KS this project. BMQ had only 3157backers. and it was on 2014, year of the end of VG...
4 years after, we have no date not even a closed beta... come on man, it's over. For less than 10 euros you have an AAA mmo so who cares about VG2 near 2019 ? no one.
I would like to go on record saying that I 100% disagree with the OP and think this game will launch.
We'll see who's right...
I think it will release. I just wonder what condition it will be in when it releases and if it can get enough subscribers to sustain itself.
An MMORPG doesn't really need all the much to sustain itself realistically. Brad is probably shooting for realistic numbers and servers are much more scalable now than in the past.
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I really do believe the game will release and it will see a small population that will include people like me who want to play another Everquest very much. I do not know what rock you crawled out of but I suggest you should go right back under it as you clearly have ignored all the updates the game has been receiving and the videos on youtube.
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BTW Vanguard was pretty good,yes it showed us bugs but aside from bugs,the game was a more robust design than any of the other EQ2/Wow clones.Problem is i don't consider those to be very good games,i mean a MMO on rails,wtf ,linear questing that rewards experience towards your class for doing non class related quests,again wtf.
OI gave my thought on why Pantheon is existing right now,Brad needed a job,he needs to make money,you know the same reason THIS very site mmorpg.com changed so much and in a bad way>>>to make money.That is why ALL of these developers or at least 99% of are in this ,to make money and will sell you any hook line and sinker to get you to buy in.
Guess what i have seen the last several years,as i am sure others have seen as well,ALL the crap is selling,toss out some marketing videos,pay streamers,pay websites to promote your game and it just sells no matter what.
That other guy was selling his game by promoting it as another DAOC,Brad is selling this as a EQ1,this is what these businesses do,they MARKET their product.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I worry more about the players not being like they were back then than the game not being like EQ enough. The players made the game in my opinion. As far as the game goes, I am sure it get released. When is the big question.
Eventually most find forgiveness over time. For JUST a video game, it should be more so.
This is what I think:
First and formost, none of us have all the facts of the past, not even a remote small part of what happened, I don't care what was published in articles. Who knows what some promised to others and how as a human being it was excepted on a personal level.... People have their feelings, right or wrong they do.... It's called life, it's call personalities !
Putting the past aside... This is my opinion of Brad... He has intentions of doing right by the people. I no longer feel its a money issue to him. He wants to grow old knowing he contributed something good.
Justified or Un-Justified no one likes their name publicly humiliated. Most would walk away and be bitter.... But Brads a fighter!...……. He wants to do right and fix the past.
Just ask your self if it is a good idea to try and design a game on an unknown budget and unknown time frame?
Then if these type of devs are actually listening to their backers as they claim,what happens if they are not happy and you already have a limited budget,start over?
Bottom line is all of these new upstart business ventures should NOT be attempting to make a game.Then there is the fact they are totally willing to sacrifice YOUR money but not willing to put anything of their own up front,so there is very little incentive.
Once a dev is able to get started they know they already have a core base of supporters hook lien and sinker.All they have to do for the next 1-5 years is keep patting them on the back,keep telling them they listen,the game is all because of YOU our wonderful backers,yada yada.They can run on for a long time while never having a finished product.."we are making sure it is great" haha of course you are.
Kickstarter is a real bad idea,i want to know the developer is putting his life on the line,putting up a lot of their own money,that way i know the effort to succeed will be there.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
"The Society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools."
Currently: Games Audio Engineer, you didn't hear what I heard, you heard what I wanted you to hear.
But more than likely all a sales pitch and this thing will be like evry other game out there which is gear focused and everyone will be grinding to get the best gear, which in a non PvP atmosphere doesnt make any sense.
Its why 'raiding' is useless now. USED to be you HAD to get gear to progress. now everyone just face rolls content and grinds encounters to win their lottery spot. If you can do the content WITHOUT the gear then why would you WANT the gear? And if people think doing the same dungeon 2 or 3 times a week on a shedule is somehow 'fun' then I dont know what to tell them. But some people are still brainwashed that way. Most arent thats why MMOs are, as I keep saying, are dead.
As far as kickstarter goes, I would not put any money into a game on it but what other people do with their money is not my business (guess its no worse than buying lotto tickets or gambling).
BTW Pantheon is not a kickstarter funded game.
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Star Citizen will launch when its bled its whales dry and their only option to squeeze a little more money out of the fanbase will be to hype up release, have a few ship sales to celebrate the imminent release and then blame Derek Smart when the game fails to live up to said hype.
You could see some players on Island but not on the world. Not even a player on cities... some of them coming for Christmas only for the goodies no more. for Rudolph for a flying mount. that's all. You could see ONE another player crafting on qualia on Khal. not even a player on housing area, not even 1.