Well $15 a month actually is a LOT of money. Simple math,1 mil subs is 15 million a month,that is a LOT of money.To put that in perspective,many of these games cost 100 mil or much less,i believe Wow was around 65 million.
When you can recoup all of that cost in a single quarter,that is insane and why Blizzard is so rich.
Also the overhead devs like Blizzard and Square Enix have ,both of which use the subscription model for their mmorpg's is staggering. I would also garner a bet that being under the guidance of Daybreak games,they have a VERY small staff,very little overhead. Still the point being that if Blizz and Square can operate with subs with massive overhead then everyone should be able to.
"why start over?"To answer that question,i have been there seeing it first hand in the first game to do it>>>Silkroad online.To save the time of posting 3 more paragraphs because that is how much it takes to explain it all,the REASON is for VERY shallow reasons.No game ever in the history started up more servers than Silkroad did ,it was hilarious,the exact same players on every server. BTW the idea is a total fail,it works for the developer to invigorate new sales for a few months,then all the players realize what a stupid idea it is then start an exodus that escalates quickly.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
LOL, its funny ITS THE EXACT SAME GAME just essentially a new server there is nothing really lgendary about it beyond its legendary how people will pay for something that is free and prove the placebo effect is real....
YOU CAN START ON ANY OLD SERVER AND GET THE EXACT SAME PLAY EXPERIENCE lol. Man the gaming community gets worse and worse. at this rate we may never get another new game ever they will just keep re releasing the same game and have all the sheep pour in saying how awesome it is the second time hahahah.
Don't get me wrong the new server rush is fun but that is literally all it is just a fresh server you are forced to pay to play on so if you want to save money and dont care if the server is a fresh start just play the normal servers lol. Less placebo please.
Yes it does get worse and worse cause there are always more and more of those like you crying nonstop over a video game. Go play your game nobody cares you have no idea what you are talking about and you obviously don't care that you look like a complete moron.
You DO NOT get the same experience on a live server. The economy is completely different on the legendary servers, the entire community is not full of toxic trash like yourself, there are tons of people to group up with in lower levels, you cant level beyond 50. So no it's not the same, but dont let facts get in the way of your precious tears.
Sounds like the same ideas SOE had going on.The idea of the so called free coins for subbing is an idea i think people don't realize and that is that WHY do you need such coins.The game should not have ANY added cash shop after you pay a subscription,you should then have full access to every last bit of the game. Obviously it is there to encourage you to spend in the cash shop,get your feet wet and hope you keep spending.IMO it is a very greedy setup,it is like disrespecting your loyal subscribers with added costs.
I'd agree if it wasn't a more old school style MMORPG. Games like this are a dying breed and have to be supported somehow. The amount of folks you see with all of the $130 pre-order expansion rewards is staggering. The loyal of this game support it with their wallets. It's not like SSG is some billion dollar company and everyone at the studio drives a lambo. They have bills to pay just like the rest of us. Believe it or not $15/mo isn't much money. I spent more than that on lunch today.
Only thing I'd change is having the UI ruined by gold coins littered about.
Why is it staggering over a 12 year time frame a person spent a total of $130? Oh wow a little over $10/year the horror!
Loved lotro back in the day, before it went f2p. I dropped it and never went back after. I may give the new servers a try. Currently not playing any mmo. Loved my RK and LM.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
LOL, its funny ITS THE EXACT SAME GAME just essentially a new server there is nothing really lgendary about it beyond its legendary how people will pay for something that is free and prove the placebo effect is real....
YOU CAN START ON ANY OLD SERVER AND GET THE EXACT SAME PLAY EXPERIENCE lol. Man the gaming community gets worse and worse. at this rate we may never get another new game ever they will just keep re releasing the same game and have all the sheep pour in saying how awesome it is the second time hahahah.
Don't get me wrong the new server rush is fun but that is literally all it is just a fresh server you are forced to pay to play on so if you want to save money and dont care if the server is a fresh start just play the normal servers lol. Less placebo please.
Yes it does get worse and worse cause there are always more and more of those like you crying nonstop over a video game. Go play your game nobody cares you have no idea what you are talking about and you obviously don't care that you look like a complete moron.
You DO NOT get the same experience on a live server. The economy is completely different on the legendary servers, the entire community is not full of toxic trash like yourself, there are tons of people to group up with in lower levels, you cant level beyond 50. So no it's not the same, but dont let facts get in the way of your precious tears.
To add to this, the Legendary server has quests that were removed in 2010 available again in the starter/intro areas (they aren't on the old servers). They also re-enabled some group content in the 1-50 range via U23, but nobody is going to do them on the old servers.
Also, the -40XP gain makes a huge difference, it makes content more challenging because you are on-level instead of out-leveling it like on the old servers.
LOL, its funny ITS THE EXACT SAME GAME just essentially a new server there is nothing really lgendary about it beyond its legendary how people will pay for something that is free and prove the placebo effect is real....
YOU CAN START ON ANY OLD SERVER AND GET THE EXACT SAME PLAY EXPERIENCE lol. Man the gaming community gets worse and worse. at this rate we may never get another new game ever they will just keep re releasing the same game and have all the sheep pour in saying how awesome it is the second time hahahah.
Don't get me wrong the new server rush is fun but that is literally all it is just a fresh server you are forced to pay to play on so if you want to save money and dont care if the server is a fresh start just play the normal servers lol. Less placebo please.
I'm having a better time on this new server than the other servers precisely because everyone is at the same level, people seem nice in chat, I see people grouping and it feels, well "fresh."
So a better experience overall.
And the idea of capping it so that it's consistently a "group" of people moving through the content is helpful.
So yeah, worth every penny.
If we don't get a "new" game it's not going to be because developers just want to rehash the same old stuff.
It's because there is no money in making a new game in the mmorpg space.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
"Legendary server program that allows them to participate in the game "the way it was", though with a few modern enhancements and additional races / classes to spice things up."
Not really accurate since it's the same game as currently on the other servers, the only 'way it was' would be not all the content is accessible right away.
I love seeing the freeloaders crying about the pay to play barrier in the guise of "outdated gameplay" and "company greed". It warms the cockles of my heart. In my eyes, free to play has greatly diminished my beloved MMORPG genre, so I take great pleasure in small disappointments from the mooching masses.
This is one of those games I come back to and play for awhile maybe once a year or so. Glad to hear they're doing well.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I am currently playing on the Anor server. It's really crowded, so that is nice to see.
What I find a bit immersion breaking though, Is seeing a ton of level 7ish characters riding around on very fast Mordor horses and Mordor cosmetic gear in the starter zones!
I wish they had blocked mounts and cosmetic gear that is from lvl50+ content as well.
The Cash Shop as is also starting to show it's ugly side, since a ton of people are already buying their way through the game. Especially crafters are already posting high end crafted gear in the chat less than a day after the server opened!
So much for a new Economy heh.....when players with big wallets boost their way through the game with leveling and crafting! /shrug
I love seeing the freeloaders crying about the pay to play barrier in the guise of "outdated gameplay" and "company greed". It warms the cockles of my heart. In my eyes, free to play has greatly diminished my beloved MMORPG genre, so I take great pleasure in small disappointments from the mooching masses.
I hear you, but when I watch some idiot calling somebody a freeloader over a video game (which leads you to believe they think they're somehow carrying society on their back) it seems even more ridiculous than "freeloader".
Bah, at least it's this and not the type of obtuse terminal stupidity that's happening outside though.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
The cash shop is definitely in your face though. Practically every panel on the UI, and even the sub panels of those, have the cash shop icons all over them. [...]
Those are valid points, and since I've just fabricated a convenience list above, let me put these in context as well
Inv slots, you won't need the extra. Trust me, I'm a hoarder, but during those months you are in the 1-50 region you won't need the extra slots. You can upgrade your vault to 120 slots on each character with gold, you can move around items via mail, etc. and while you are adventuring in the world, the default 5 bags are enough. Sure, later (especially if you are a hoarder like me) you will want all the slots you can get - but not now, in these starting months.
"Currency tab" a.k.a premium wallet, as I posted above it is almost a must-have purchase at the endgame, but again, during the months in the lower regions (I'd say below 75, it will start to get important around Rohan) you won't need it. On a sidenote its "must-have" value is purely convenience even at the endgame. You can totally play without it, but man it saves you from a LOT of inventory management...
"Fast riding" is also close to meaningless, and not just for starters or in the lower regions. It is an account-wide riding skill, and warsteed speed to all of your mounts. I must say it's the lowest priority even among convenience purchases. Without a dozen alts (and the plan to create a lot more too) and a lot of unspent Points burning your pocket it doesn't worth even to consider it.
In-your-face shop buttons, there are custom UIs for that issue, but yep, that is just a cosmetic solution. Shop is tied almost into all systems of the game.
tl;dr, you really don't need the shop. As subscriber you have all (and even some more) what the game offered you before the f2p switch. What you can get from the shop are just added conveniences.
I got about four hours in last night. It ran great, got into an awesome kin met some new people. To those who worry about how others play my advice is dont worry about how others spend their time and money on a hobby. I guarantee you can find like minded individuals all throughout the new servers to play with. To focus on what other do just to knit pick is silly.
I got about four hours in last night. It ran great, got into an awesome kin met some new people. To those who worry about how others play my advice is dont worry about how others spend their time and money on a hobby. I guarantee you can find like minded individuals all throughout the new servers to play with. To focus on what other do just to knit pick is silly.
The problem I have with SSG is that they are hypocritical with their approach to the Legendary Server.
They require VIP membership to access these servers, put a -40% XP nerf not just on leveling, but also on Crafting and then make all the Crafting boosters available in the Cash shop! /Facepalm
On a VIP only server, where they want to slow down people with the -40% XP debuff, they should not have any Boosters in the Cash Shop! Period!
Cosmetic stuff... fine! Inventory slots, etc...fine! But stuff like Rapid Crafting Boosters, 100% crit booster, Universal Crafting ingredient packs, etc that give Crafters a huge advantage over the Server Economy is just a Nasty double dipping cash grab by SSG!
Just shows that SSG doesn't give a flying hoot about the Legendary server other than to try empty people their wallets via both VIP membership and a Cash shop full of Game advantage boosters! /disappointed
PS. And it's already showing on Anor currently, where within less than a day people are already posting level30+ Teal critted crafted gear in chat!
Without paying for a ton of crafting boosters this would be impossible to achieve in such short time, due to the pretty steep grind with leveling up crafting.
I got about four hours in last night. It ran great, got into an awesome kin met some new people. To those who worry about how others play my advice is dont worry about how others spend their time and money on a hobby. I guarantee you can find like minded individuals all throughout the new servers to play with. To focus on what other do just to knit pick is silly.
The problem I have with SSG is that they are hypocritical with their approach to the Legendary Server.
They require VIP membership to access these servers, put a -40% XP nerf not just on leveling, but also on Crafting and then make all the Crafting boosters available in the Cash shop! /Facepalm
On a VIP only server, where they want to slow down people with the -40% XP debuff, they should not have any Boosters in the Cash Shop! Period!
Cosmetic stuff... fine! Inventory slots, etc...fine! But stuff like Crafting Boosters that give Crafters a huge advantage over the Server Economy is just a Nasty double dipping cash grab by SSG!
Just shows that SSG doesn't give a flying hoot about the Legendary server other than to try empty people their wallets via both VIP membership and a Cash shop full of Game advantage boosters! /dissapointed
Well you can look at the world as half empty all you want, I dont see it that way. You should head over to the official forums you and the Kick777 guy who has been crying about lotro (not saying you are crying) since 2011 would get along great.
I got about four hours in last night. It ran great, got into an awesome kin met some new people. To those who worry about how others play my advice is dont worry about how others spend their time and money on a hobby. I guarantee you can find like minded individuals all throughout the new servers to play with. To focus on what other do just to knit pick is silly.
The problem I have with SSG is that they are hypocritical with their approach to the Legendary Server.
They require VIP membership to access these servers, put a -40% XP nerf not just on leveling, but also on Crafting and then make all the Crafting boosters available in the Cash shop! /Facepalm
On a VIP only server, where they want to slow down people with the -40% XP debuff, they should not have any Boosters in the Cash Shop! Period!
Cosmetic stuff... fine! Inventory slots, etc...fine! But stuff like Crafting Boosters that give Crafters a huge advantage over the Server Economy is just a Nasty double dipping cash grab by SSG!
Just shows that SSG doesn't give a flying hoot about the Legendary server other than to try empty people their wallets via both VIP membership and a Cash shop full of Game advantage boosters! /disappointed
PS. And it's already showing on Anor currently, where within less than a day people are already posting level30+ Teal critted crafted gear in chat!
Without paying for a ton of crafting boosters this would be impossible to achieve in such short time, due to the pretty steep grind with leveling up crafting.
The whole reason they slowed the xp was because players asked for for it. They didn't want to outlevel areas.
so they said "ok fine, we'll do that."
If people want to rush to 50 and buy xp boosters then "fine as well" they'll just be sitting at 50 for a little longer. I don't see the issue.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
I got about four hours in last night. It ran great, got into an awesome kin met some new people. To those who worry about how others play my advice is dont worry about how others spend their time and money on a hobby. I guarantee you can find like minded individuals all throughout the new servers to play with. To focus on what other do just to knit pick is silly.
The problem I have with SSG is that they are hypocritical with their approach to the Legendary Server.
They require VIP membership to access these servers, put a -40% XP nerf not just on leveling, but also on Crafting and then make all the Crafting boosters available in the Cash shop! /Facepalm
On a VIP only server, where they want to slow down people with the -40% XP debuff, they should not have any Boosters in the Cash Shop! Period!
Cosmetic stuff... fine! Inventory slots, etc...fine! But stuff like Crafting Boosters that give Crafters a huge advantage over the Server Economy is just a Nasty double dipping cash grab by SSG!
Just shows that SSG doesn't give a flying hoot about the Legendary server other than to try empty people their wallets via both VIP membership and a Cash shop full of Game advantage boosters! /disappointed
PS. And it's already showing on Anor currently, where within less than a day people are already posting level30+ Teal critted crafted gear in chat!
Without paying for a ton of crafting boosters this would be impossible to achieve in such short time, due to the pretty steep grind with leveling up crafting.
The whole reason they slowed the xp was because players asked for for it. They didn't want to outlevel areas.
so they said "ok fine, we'll do that."
If people want to rush to 50 and buy xp boosters then "fine as well" they'll just be sitting at 50 for a little longer. I don't see the issue.
There isnt an issue. Some just want to try and make it an issue for whatever reason. To those like Jero those reason may be legit to them even if the reality of the situation says otherwise. For others the issues they create are to troll and be negative.
Level XP booster for the character I could not care about, since it doesn't affect the player economy!
A lot of people rolled to this server for a fresh player economy as well, but the Cash Shop will be ruining this, since you only need a handful of players with deep pockets who bypass the insane crafting grind in less than a day by buying Rapid Crafting boosters and Universal Ingredient Packs and so able to immediately dominate the Auction House and player economy.
Normally it would take weeks before the first would start maxing out crafting, as the amount of gathered ingredients needed is staggering.
I know.... as I have been there and done that the legal honest way. It's an incredible time sink.
If you can't see the problem with that.... well I don't know what to say really.
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The fact is, that these Legendary Servers are subscription only servers, so the Cash Shop shouldn't even be there, except for the Cosmetic stuff.
For the rest it's really nice to see so many players in the low level areas. LOTRO has never felt so alive since many years!
Just a shame SSG had to put the full blown Cash Shop on it. /shrug
I too love crafting, and that's correct, it really is a time sink. With everyone's starting fresh and new, not even an organised crafter kinship (players feeding with resources and money one designated crafter) could get to near the top in one day. And of course why would they spend all the effort and time, when there's the shop.
So, while I don't know the facts, it is a safe guess those crafters simply spent a lot in the shop.
But to be honest, I wouldn't worry too much about it. In a few weeks the market will stabilize anyways, so those crafters can only enjoy this state for a short time.
I too love crafting, and that's correct, it really is a time sink. With everyone's starting fresh and new, not even an organised crafter kinship (players feeding with resources and money one designated crafter) could get to near the top in one day. And of course why would they spend all the effort and time, when there's the shop.
So, while I don't know the facts, it is a safe guess those crafters simply spent a lot in the shop.
But to be honest, I wouldn't worry too much about it. In a few weeks the market will stabilize anyways, so those crafters can only enjoy this state for a short time.
Agreed it will stabilize and it's not as big of a deal as some are trying to make. If a few want to speed their way to 50 and max crafting good for them. I'm glad they are helping support this game. To try and demonize people who spend money on a hobby they enjoy and a hobby I enjoy is ridiculous.
Craft your own stuff do it your way nothing is stopping you.
Returning players with lifetime accounts literally have tens of thousands of store points that have built up over the years. Regular players that have rolled on the new servers also have at least thousands of store points saved up because they had nothing else to spend them on.
I'm not even a hardcore player of the game and even I have 9000 store points just burning a hole in my account. Plus, I've never, ever bought store points with real cash.
Deep pockets aren't even needed to abuse the cash shop for this one.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
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Simple math,1 mil subs is 15 million a month,that is a LOT of money.To put that in perspective,many of these games cost 100 mil or much less,i believe Wow was around 65 million.
When you can recoup all of that cost in a single quarter,that is insane and why Blizzard is so rich.
Also the overhead devs like Blizzard and Square Enix have ,both of which use the subscription model for their mmorpg's is staggering.
I would also garner a bet that being under the guidance of Daybreak games,they have a VERY small staff,very little overhead.
Still the point being that if Blizz and Square can operate with subs with massive overhead then everyone should be able to.
"why start over?"To answer that question,i have been there seeing it first hand in the first game to do it>>>Silkroad online.To save the time of posting 3 more paragraphs because that is how much it takes to explain it all,the REASON is for VERY shallow reasons.No game ever in the history started up more servers than Silkroad did ,it was hilarious,the exact same players on every server.
BTW the idea is a total fail,it works for the developer to invigorate new sales for a few months,then all the players realize what a stupid idea it is then start an exodus that escalates quickly.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Yes it does get worse and worse cause there are always more and more of those like you crying nonstop over a video game. Go play your game nobody cares you have no idea what you are talking about and you obviously don't care that you look like a complete moron.
You DO NOT get the same experience on a live server. The economy is completely different on the legendary servers, the entire community is not full of toxic trash like yourself, there are tons of people to group up with in lower levels, you cant level beyond 50. So no it's not the same, but dont let facts get in the way of your precious tears.
Why is it staggering over a 12 year time frame a person spent a total of $130? Oh wow a little over $10/year the horror!
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
Also, the -40XP gain makes a huge difference, it makes content more challenging because you are on-level instead of out-leveling it like on the old servers.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
What I find a bit immersion breaking though, Is seeing a ton of level 7ish characters riding around on very fast Mordor horses and Mordor cosmetic gear in the starter zones!
I wish they had blocked mounts and cosmetic gear that is from lvl50+ content as well.
The Cash Shop as is also starting to show it's ugly side, since a ton of people are already buying their way through the game. Especially crafters are already posting high end crafted gear in the chat less than a day after the server opened!
So much for a new Economy heh.....when players with big wallets boost their way through the game with leveling and crafting! /shrug
Bah, at least it's this and not the type of obtuse terminal stupidity that's happening outside though.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Inv slots, you won't need the extra. Trust me, I'm a hoarder, but during those months you are in the 1-50 region you won't need the extra slots. You can upgrade your vault to 120 slots on each character with gold, you can move around items via mail, etc. and while you are adventuring in the world, the default 5 bags are enough.
Sure, later (especially if you are a hoarder like me) you will want all the slots you can get - but not now, in these starting months.
"Currency tab" a.k.a premium wallet, as I posted above it is almost a must-have purchase at the endgame, but again, during the months in the lower regions (I'd say below 75, it will start to get important around Rohan) you won't need it.
On a sidenote its "must-have" value is purely convenience even at the endgame. You can totally play without it, but man it saves you from a LOT of inventory management...
"Fast riding" is also close to meaningless, and not just for starters or in the lower regions. It is an account-wide riding skill, and warsteed speed to all of your mounts. I must say it's the lowest priority even among convenience purchases. Without a dozen alts (and the plan to create a lot more too) and a lot of unspent Points burning your pocket it doesn't worth even to consider it.
In-your-face shop buttons, there are custom UIs for that issue, but yep, that is just a cosmetic solution. Shop is tied almost into all systems of the game.
tl;dr, you really don't need the shop. As subscriber you have all (and even some more) what the game offered you before the f2p switch. What you can get from the shop are just added conveniences.
The problem I have with SSG is that they are hypocritical with their approach to the Legendary Server.
They require VIP membership to access these servers, put a -40% XP nerf not just on leveling, but also on Crafting and then make all the Crafting boosters available in the Cash shop! /Facepalm
On a VIP only server, where they want to slow down people with the -40% XP debuff, they should not have any Boosters in the Cash Shop! Period!
Cosmetic stuff... fine! Inventory slots, etc...fine! But stuff like Rapid Crafting Boosters, 100% crit booster, Universal Crafting ingredient packs, etc that give Crafters a huge advantage over the Server Economy is just a Nasty double dipping cash grab by SSG!
Just shows that SSG doesn't give a flying hoot about the Legendary server other than to try empty people their wallets via both VIP membership and a Cash shop full of Game advantage boosters! /disappointed
PS. And it's already showing on Anor currently, where within less than a day people are already posting level30+ Teal critted crafted gear in chat!
Without paying for a ton of crafting boosters this would be impossible to achieve in such short time, due to the pretty steep grind with leveling up crafting.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
A lot of people rolled to this server for a fresh player economy as well, but the Cash Shop will be ruining this, since you only need a handful of players with deep pockets who bypass the insane crafting grind in less than a day by buying Rapid Crafting boosters and Universal Ingredient Packs and so able to immediately dominate the Auction House and player economy.
Normally it would take weeks before the first would start maxing out crafting, as the amount of gathered ingredients needed is staggering.
I know.... as I have been there and done that the legal honest way. It's an incredible time sink.
If you can't see the problem with that.... well I don't know what to say really.
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The fact is, that these Legendary Servers are subscription only servers, so the Cash Shop shouldn't even be there, except for the Cosmetic stuff.
For the rest it's really nice to see so many players in the low level areas. LOTRO has never felt so alive since many years!
Just a shame SSG had to put the full blown Cash Shop on it. /shrug
And of course why would they spend all the effort and time, when there's the shop.
So, while I don't know the facts, it is a safe guess those crafters simply spent a lot in the shop.
But to be honest, I wouldn't worry too much about it. In a few weeks the market will stabilize anyways, so those crafters can only enjoy this state for a short time.
Craft your own stuff do it your way nothing is stopping you.
I'm not even a hardcore player of the game and even I have 9000 store points just burning a hole in my account. Plus, I've never, ever bought store points with real cash.
Deep pockets aren't even needed to abuse the cash shop for this one.