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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    I think you missed the part in the Q&A where a guy asked if it was also going to be on PC, they told him no, after the audience reacted negatively to this, they shouted at the audience, 'don't you guys have phones'.
    Its things like that, that create negative PR for a company, i mean, sometimes a companies shares have nosedived afterwards  :p
    Short answer is, don't be donkey.
    AlBQuirkyjimmywolfTuor7
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    I think you missed the part in the Q&A where a guy asked if it was also going to be on PC, they told him no, after the audience reacted negatively to this, they shouted at the audience, 'don't you guys have phones'.
    Its things like that, that create negative PR for a company, i mean, sometimes a companies shares have nosedived afterwards  :p
    Short answer is, don't be donkey.
    I didn't miss it, it has no bearing on my point at all.
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    No the difference is if Coke had invited everyone to the launch of their new drink and then served them an Innocent Smoothie. 

    Or if the e.g. local NFL / Basketball / Baseball team invited people to meet the star players and when everyone turned up they got to see David Beckham. 

    Blizzard teased a big release at Blizzcon - not exactly noted for mobile - and the big news turned out to be about a mobile game. That's the cause of the PR disaster.
    Phryjimmywolf
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    gervaise1 said:
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    No the difference is if Coke had invited everyone to the launch of their new drink and then served them an Innocent Smoothie. 

    Or if the e.g. local NFL / Basketball / Baseball team invited people to meet the star players and when everyone turned up they got to see David Beckham. 

    Blizzard teased a big release at Blizzcon - not exactly noted for mobile - and the big news turned out to be about a mobile game. That's the cause of the PR disaster.
    None of your examples makes sense at all. Blizzard was announcing a new blizzard game at a blizzard conference. Period. 
  • d_20d_20 Member RarePosts: 1,878
    DMKano said:
    Anyone who thinks that any company is their "friend" is delusional.

    Companies are not people, if for a split second you start thinking about a company as a person - please go see a therapist.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

    I know, right?
    shalissar


  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    gervaise1 said:
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    No the difference is if Coke had invited everyone to the launch of their new drink and then served them an Innocent Smoothie. 

    Or if the e.g. local NFL / Basketball / Baseball team invited people to meet the star players and when everyone turned up they got to see David Beckham. 

    Blizzard teased a big release at Blizzcon - not exactly noted for mobile - and the big news turned out to be about a mobile game. That's the cause of the PR disaster.
    None of your examples makes sense at all. Blizzard was announcing a new blizzard game at a blizzard conference. Period. 
    That's funny seemed more like Blizzard announcing a mobile only Netease game to a room full of hardcore PC blizzard fans.
    PhryMrMelGibsond_20Tuor7

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  • VengeSunsoarVengeSunsoar Member EpicPosts: 6,601
    edited November 2018
    Has blizzard ever made any games that wasn't for PC.

    If not than what other other fans would have been there. 

    Since they are blizzard it was the 2nd perfect place to announce a new game for a different platform.

    Of course the perfect place would be ca conference of blizzard fans of mobile games. But that doesn't exist yet.

    I would bet many of those "hardcore PC fans" play mobile games too.
    Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081
    This is the new world as we know it: 

    1986 I took a technician job as a local vinyl record and tape recording company that was first in record and second in tapes in the world.  It was owned by a local Millionaire that was the nicest guys anyone could meet, very generous on the pay and benefits.  He often walked the floor and asked the employees what they needed.  Very non threatening !...People loved him and we all worked hard in both OUTPUT AND QUALITY.   

    Around ten years later he sold it to Time Warner, they SCREWED HIM on some sort of partnership he was to have (don't know all details), then they quickly got rid of him.  Talking about going downhill !!!!….. We were striped of everything and nice became FORCED !!!!  

    Few years later a Canadian company called Cinram took over.  To this day I remember the CEO came in and gave us this nice speech, however many of us could detect AssHole coming out of his Voice..... Well, the Voice was right !!!!…. We were striped worst of pay and benefits.  Quality went out the door and was replaced by maximum production at all cost.  Thank God I was grandfathered with good pay from previous raises, because all new employees couldn't make a living from their paycheck. 


    Bottom line:  
    The "quality of product" of Vinyl, Tapes and later DvD and CD's and even Blue Rays sucked !!! Speed took its place and with anyone that would except the job at low pay.  

    It turned from excepting quality workers to anyone that was willing to stay with low pay.  


    I'm sure this is Blizzard !!!!!!!
    Blaze_Rockerd_20Tuor7
  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Nilden said:
    gervaise1 said:
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    No the difference is if Coke had invited everyone to the launch of their new drink and then served them an Innocent Smoothie. 

    Or if the e.g. local NFL / Basketball / Baseball team invited people to meet the star players and when everyone turned up they got to see David Beckham. 

    Blizzard teased a big release at Blizzcon - not exactly noted for mobile - and the big news turned out to be about a mobile game. That's the cause of the PR disaster.
    None of your examples makes sense at all. Blizzard was announcing a new blizzard game at a blizzard conference. Period. 
    That's funny seemed more like Blizzard announcing a mobile only Netease game to a room full of hardcore PC blizzard fans.
    When you take into account that 4 years ago the Blizzard april fools joke was a 'diablo game for mobile' then it does kind of put things into perspective.
    Besides which, Diablo Immortal is a Netease game, it amounts to little more than Blizzard licencing out their IP to a mobile developer.
    It should never have been announced at Blizzcon because it is literally an outsourced game that Blizzard have little involvement in directly. :/
    [Deleted User]gervaise1Blaze_Rockerd_20Tuor7
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    gervaise1 said:
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    No the difference is if Coke had invited everyone to the launch of their new drink and then served them an Innocent Smoothie. 

    Or if the e.g. local NFL / Basketball / Baseball team invited people to meet the star players and when everyone turned up they got to see David Beckham. 

    Blizzard teased a big release at Blizzcon - not exactly noted for mobile - and the big news turned out to be about a mobile game. That's the cause of the PR disaster.
    None of your examples makes sense at all. Blizzard was announcing a new blizzard game at a blizzard conference. Period. 
    Did you not know that Coke own Innocent? So new Coke drink ..... an Innocent Smoothie!

    Your reaction mirrors the reaction of many people who went to Blizzcon: it didn't make sense.

    Phry
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    gervaise1 said:
    gervaise1 said:
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    No the difference is if Coke had invited everyone to the launch of their new drink and then served them an Innocent Smoothie. 

    Or if the e.g. local NFL / Basketball / Baseball team invited people to meet the star players and when everyone turned up they got to see David Beckham. 

    Blizzard teased a big release at Blizzcon - not exactly noted for mobile - and the big news turned out to be about a mobile game. That's the cause of the PR disaster.
    None of your examples makes sense at all. Blizzard was announcing a new blizzard game at a blizzard conference. Period. 
    Did you not know that Coke own Innocent? So new Coke drink ..... an Innocent Smoothie!

    Your reaction mirrors the reaction of many people who went to Blizzcon: it didn't make sense.

    No, literally you are not making sense. The examples don’t work  at all. 
  • gervaise1gervaise1 Member EpicPosts: 6,919
    gervaise1 said:
    gervaise1 said:
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    No the difference is if Coke had invited everyone to the launch of their new drink and then served them an Innocent Smoothie. 

    Or if the e.g. local NFL / Basketball / Baseball team invited people to meet the star players and when everyone turned up they got to see David Beckham. 

    Blizzard teased a big release at Blizzcon - not exactly noted for mobile - and the big news turned out to be about a mobile game. That's the cause of the PR disaster.
    None of your examples makes sense at all. Blizzard was announcing a new blizzard game at a blizzard conference. Period. 
    Did you not know that Coke own Innocent? So new Coke drink ..... an Innocent Smoothie!

    Your reaction mirrors the reaction of many people who went to Blizzcon: it didn't make sense.

    No, literally you are not making sense. The examples don’t work  at all. 
    Your reaction totally mirrors what many people who turned up at Blizzcon have expressed. You don't understand about the Coke reveal; people who turned up at Bizzcon did not understand the Diablo:Immortal reveal. 

    They would have been just as unhappy if the reveal turned out to be the next Call of Duty franchise - and the news that they would be making it rather than Activision. 


    If you ordered something online having read the description and something else came and when you rang up to complain they replied "the small print allows us to change the size, shape, design and anything else" you would probably be somewhat annoyed! Especially if you posted about it and someone replied "stop feeling entitled".

    People bought tickets to Blizzcon. People had expectations of what Blizzcon is. And for all intents and purposes Blizzcon is very much like a product that says "we reserve the right to do exactly what we want".

    Now we can agree that people should have known this! Is it "right" though - a strong argument can be made that people were misled. And as a result - see @Phry 's post above for example - Blizzard created a PR storm for themselves.
    MrMelGibson
  • ChildoftheShadowsChildoftheShadows Member EpicPosts: 2,193
    gervaise1 said:
    gervaise1 said:
    gervaise1 said:
    laserit said:
    Phry said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    I'm my local city we have an extremely popular chocolate store named the Candy Kitchen.  Christmas, Easter and Halloween the line is out the door and they can't keep up with demand. 

    When I was a kid back in the early/mid 70s we would stop on our way home from school and the owner would let us into the back and show us how chocolate was made. 

    Well, just two years ago, I was waking down that street and found a delivery truck delivering large blocks of "Hershey's Chocolate". 

    Everything is out sourced today :(
    I tried Hersheys once, not impressed as it wasn't particularly nice, but it reminded me of Kitkats, a while back the company was taken over by another one, nestle i think, they brought out a new 'improved' recipe for the kitkats, people stopped eating them, eventually they had to go back to the 'original' recipe.
    I think Blizzard may find themselves in this situation too, where they can't get their players to 'eat' the new mobile games and will likely have to go back to concentrating more on the PC platform. :/
    That's interesting

    Here in North America we can remember the Coke fiasco. Coke switched over to a new recipe and it was a disaster there was a huge backlash. They had to bring the old recipe back and they brought it back under a new name "Coke Classic" over a few years the new crap must have been a dud because they got rid of it and just reverted the Coke Classic back into just Coke.

    Sometimes things don't go as planned. Customer backlash isn't just a gamer thing.
    What?  You mean negative consumer reaction to something like a major company direction change is a legitimate market force?  Not just the hallmark of all us "entitled" douchebag gamers?

    You don't say!
    The difference is if Coke made a new drink and kept the old one, no one would have complained and the new drink would have either taken over or died out on it's own. Blizzard isn't cancelling Diablo and replacing it with a mobile game, they are also making a mobile game. That's the difference. That's the reason why people like myself are sitting back thinking "Holy shit, entitled much?".
    No the difference is if Coke had invited everyone to the launch of their new drink and then served them an Innocent Smoothie. 

    Or if the e.g. local NFL / Basketball / Baseball team invited people to meet the star players and when everyone turned up they got to see David Beckham. 

    Blizzard teased a big release at Blizzcon - not exactly noted for mobile - and the big news turned out to be about a mobile game. That's the cause of the PR disaster.
    None of your examples makes sense at all. Blizzard was announcing a new blizzard game at a blizzard conference. Period. 
    Did you not know that Coke own Innocent? So new Coke drink ..... an Innocent Smoothie!

    Your reaction mirrors the reaction of many people who went to Blizzcon: it didn't make sense.

    No, literally you are not making sense. The examples don’t work  at all. 
    Your reaction totally mirrors what many people who turned up at Blizzcon have expressed. You don't understand about the Coke reveal; people who turned up at Bizzcon did not understand the Diablo:Immortal reveal. 

    They would have been just as unhappy if the reveal turned out to be the next Call of Duty franchise - and the news that they would be making it rather than Activision. 


    If you ordered something online having read the description and something else came and when you rang up to complain they replied "the small print allows us to change the size, shape, design and anything else" you would probably be somewhat annoyed! Especially if you posted about it and someone replied "stop feeling entitled".

    People bought tickets to Blizzcon. People had expectations of what Blizzcon is. And for all intents and purposes Blizzcon is very much like a product that says "we reserve the right to do exactly what we want".

    Now we can agree that people should have known this! Is it "right" though - a strong argument can be made that people were misled. And as a result - see @Phry 's post above for example - Blizzard created a PR storm for themselves.
    You are confused about the coke thing. I understand the "Coke Reveal" I'm saying that your analogy does not fit. I'm not confused here, you are.

    When people started hyping about a diablo 4 blizzard themselves tried to calm the hype a bit by saying it wasn't what they expected.

    People should always know that a company that makes soda isn't always going to make soda for your region, for your tastebuds, for your liking just like a game company isn't always going to make a game for your tastes, platform or region.

    Blizzard didn't do anything wrong, aside from the "don't you have phones" comment, that was reactionary. Players created the hype and expectations themselves and even Blizzard even tried to quell that a bit. When a company says "it's not what you think" you should probably take a few steps back and realize you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
  • d_20d_20 Member RarePosts: 1,878
    edited November 2018
    This is the new world as we know it: 

    1986 I took a technician job as a local vinyl record and tape recording company that was first in record and second in tapes in the world.  It was owned by a local Millionaire that was the nicest guys anyone could meet, very generous on the pay and benefits.  He often walked the floor and asked the employees what they needed.  Very non threatening !...People loved him and we all worked hard in both OUTPUT AND QUALITY.   

    Around ten years later he sold it to Time Warner, they SCREWED HIM on some sort of partnership he was to have (don't know all details), then they quickly got rid of him.  Talking about going downhill !!!!….. We were striped of everything and nice became FORCED !!!!  

    Few years later a Canadian company called Cinram took over.  To this day I remember the CEO came in and gave us this nice speech, however many of us could detect AssHole coming out of his Voice..... Well, the Voice was right !!!!…. We were striped worst of pay and benefits.  Quality went out the door and was replaced by maximum production at all cost.  Thank God I was grandfathered with good pay from previous raises, because all new employees couldn't make a living from their paycheck. 


    Bottom line:  
    The "quality of product" of Vinyl, Tapes and later DvD and CD's and even Blue Rays sucked !!! Speed took its place and with anyone that would except the job at low pay.  

    It turned from excepting quality workers to anyone that was willing to stay with low pay.  


    I'm sure this is Blizzard !!!!!!!
    Sounds kind of like what Brevik is talking about, how Activision is taking over, workers make a lot less money since they lost the bonus program,  and the original Blizzard devs are "exiled."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlFuTHvg6k
    Tuor7Phry


  • KnightFalzKnightFalz Member EpicPosts: 4,522
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    laserit said:
    Soki123 said:
    Blizz rocks, and still does. Not sure wtf anyone is talking about.
    Well its looking like you might never ever have to update your PC to play their games.

    I guess that could be a good thing ;)
    LOL. Ya that's going to happen. If so I have consoles and always will, so I see np in this situation.
    I don't know

    I never would have thought that Blizzard would contract game development out to third parties. 

    This is what I find really surprising as I believe it cheapens the brand. Kind of like Harley Davidson having a plant in Thailand and producing accessories in China and Taiwan.

    Do I still like Harleys ? Yes I do

    Blizzard is different company now, It's not the Blizzard of old. I don't necessarily see a problem with the situation either but it will be interesting to see unfold.
    Mobile gaming isn't Blizzard's area of expertise, so partnering with someone that has a fair amount of success in that market could well be a sound choice.

    I expect they will be paying rather close attention as to how the project is coming along as much of whatever future mobile plans they have will be riding on the reception of this one.

    In any case, it is simply one Diablo project of several said to be coming, so there is a little more leeway for taking unusual risks with it, as more conventional offerings will likely make up for any shortfall this one has.
  • HashbrickHashbrick Member RarePosts: 1,851
    Kyleran said:
    Torval said:
    Or professional sports franchises, which really aren't "your team" and there is no rational basis for the rabid loyalty some fans accord them.


    Lies!
    One exception if you live in Green Bay, WI the people who live here "own" the Packers as there is no actual owner.  So the fandom around here is insane.  But you will always have the delusional diehards that think cause they spun around 360 degress to the west 5 times, or flipped their hat brim 8 times they helped win the game.
    Blaze_Rocker
    [[ DEAD ]] - Funny - I deleted my account on the site using the cancel account button.  Forum user is separate and still exists with no way of deleting it. Delete it admins. Do it, this ends now.
  • Cybersig211Cybersig211 Member UncommonPosts: 174
    You would be stupid not to make mobile games these days, its literally free money given the amount of work vs profit needed.

    I hope all their mobile games do well and help fund some great PC games down the road.  

    Yeah id be pissed too if i flew down to blizzcon to hear a mobile game launch, they should have ended the event with a D4 snippet and there would be no issue. 
  • asdfsdf34534asdfsdf34534 Member UncommonPosts: 52
    Bunch of sadistic wacko cry babies. Pay and Play or don't, everyone and their mother is making content around diablo immortal because people love to watch blizzard looking silly. Why? Because they are mad and jealous wacko's!
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