What I think is becoming apparent is that the PvP market has been underserved, and the market for games that require a significant time investment to play has been overserved.
How has the PvP market been underserved exactly. Even the OP has pointed out all the esports titles released in recent years which all serve the pvp crowd.
PVP which is designed around a fair, balanced team sports model have been well served.
PVP with consequences has been dominated by a model which greatly rewards time invested and hasn't been all that well received compared to the former.
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Not sure who is saying it is a "problem." Don't you worry, in about 20 years, the millennials will be on this site or a similar site typing the same thing you are typing now. JUST.STAY.ALIVE.TO.SEE.IT.
What I think is becoming apparent is that the PvP market has been underserved, and the market for games that require a significant time investment to play has been overserved.
How has the PvP market been underserved exactly. Even the OP has pointed out all the esports titles released in recent years which all serve the pvp crowd.
PVP which is designed around a fair, balanced team sports model have been well served.
PVP with consequences has been dominated by a model which greatly rewards time invested and hasn't been all that well received compared to the former.
You can also get PVP with consequences that greatly rewards money invested.
You are close, but missed the mark. As others pointed out these games aren't trendy or about youtubers. Its about the competitiveness nature of the game. When a game is good and competitive it really doesn't matter how "New" the game is as long as it scratches an itch, in this case its competition.
This is further explained with how we as humans consume sports the first competitive games, we have played Football, Soccer, Hockey, Lacross, Rugby, Racing for how long close to hundreds of years, shouldn't we be making new Sports to play instead of the old stuff that we watch? Not to say that things don't change but how often, as we no longer watch the Gladiator fights at the Colosseum anymore, but some say it just evolved into modern sports.
So to conclude this is just par for the course for Humans, find what you want to play and like how cares about the others as they would just be watching Sports anyways and not interfering with your gaming.
You are close, but missed the mark. As others pointed out these games aren't trendy or about youtubers. Its about the competitiveness nature of the game. When a game is good and competitive it really doesn't matter how "New" the game is as long as it scratches an itch, in this case its competition.
This is further explained with how we as humans consume sports the first competitive games, we have played Football, Soccer, Hockey, Lacross, Rugby, Racing for how long close to hundreds of years, shouldn't we be making new Sports to play instead of the old stuff that we watch? Not to say that things don't change but how often, as we no longer watch the Gladiator fights at the Colosseum anymore, but some say it just evolved into modern sports.
So to conclude this is just par for the course for Humans, find what you want to play and like how cares about the others as they would just be watching Sports anyways and not interfering with your gaming.
Yeah I get that. And I agree, about the "who cares" thing. I shouldn't. We shouldn't. But the issue is that we as gamers depend on a steady stream of new games being released by (what used to be considered artists) developers. In the sports industry, there isn't any innovation - no need to make another sport (game).
To be a gamer means you like to play video games. That has always meant (until presently) that we feed on the creativity of the artistic developers. You can only play Mario for so long until you would like something new. Then along comes Sonic. That works for a while too. And on and on. We used to be a niche group of people that abhorred the sports industry (I liked playing them as a kid with friends from time to time). A lot of us were bullied by the "popular" crowds, and we rejected them as well. We grew up being the black sheep of the family because we liked playing games. Everyone called us "nerds" or "geeks".
But now, those "sports-types" of people are all considered "gamers" as well. And our beloved developers, those companies, are catering to them on a constant basis.
I think there are more mmorpg to MOBA type of games. People just like to play MOBA more that is why there are more people. MOBA type game are so competitive there are only a few exist(at least to my knowledge).
And I think the reason MOBA type of game is more popular is because pvp players just want to pvp. They don't need to waste time on the "extras". Probably why the same reason people complain about themepark games. People always want 100% of the mmorpg to cater for them.
How can I, a person who is wanting to find a leisure activity, be wrong about what I prefer?
Can a preference, by definition, be wrong?
I would say they can be morally wrong, or ethically wrong, and different people with different preferences may not agree with each other, but that isn't the same thing as saying my preference is wrong... So I would say that a preference cannot be wrong, it just exists.
Since my preference as a gamer can't be wrong, the game must be incompatible with my preference. Therefore, the games are wrong, not the players.
It's a developers job to cater to their player base, not the other way around. That being said, I can accept that not all games target me as a player. And I can even accept that my play style and preferences are not main stream any longer and, as a result, don't receive a lot of attention any longer. I think other people just need to come to the same realization: it's not all about ~you~.
Maybe you should start with something more basic, like: People are free.
You don't need to understand why people choose some way to spend their free time. You only need to understand that they are free to do so, but you are not free to call groups who choose differently a problem while you're in public.
@Vhayne Did you really just call people who watch Twitch streamers sheep? There are many reasons to call people sheep, but watching someone play a game on Twitch is not one of them lol. My sister likes to watch YouTubers stream; I much rather play the game than to watch other people play it, but that hardly makes people who like to watch someone play, sheep. It's called entertainment.
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I have made this point a hundred or more times already for many years.
No question what so ever that popularity both in numbers and the streamers/players makes it or breaks it.Popularity can just start with even a mediocre number but it snowballs quickly.Like Wow for example,what did it have the first few months,2-3 million?Then it snowballed to 16 million.
The game Fortnite,i had this very thought on that game just last night while i was playing imo the MUCH better UT99.Ut99 is quite old now,dated graphics so none of that cutesy pink napsacks or pink hats crap.Then the game is no longer on the scene for Esports or ladders or leagues,so it does not attract the $$$$ and the players seeking fame and fortune.Then the popular streamers won't play it because it won't bring in the most viewers.
I know fps gaming very well,i come from the Quake Ut background.I know everything from latency to cheats to zaxis to hot spots,map control ,weapon types,distance,listening for sounds,etc etc.There is without question no doubt UT99 is MUCH better than Fortnite,so people are NOT playing for the fun or the most competitive atmosphere,they are playing for the ranks,the popularity and the money.
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LOL i have tennis trophy from an under 16 tournament MANY years ago,i loved tennis but it fell out of favor among sports so it was near impossible to find anyone to play that was any good.
As to the poster who says he watches streams to learn from credible players,well that is a good idea and works for the most part.
There are things you might not understand or know and will not see in a stream,VERY important things.Latency,i have seen top players AFRAID to lose would hangout on the lowest ping servers all the time.Then there is your entire computer setup from network cards,to mouse Dpi,to monitor to keybinds. Keybinds is an important topic because most people or a high majority have no clue what is going on.When i was a noob,i had no clue,i was amazed the first time i realized and how much better it makes you as a player.
Cheats:The term credible is very tough,you just never know.I have seen cheats finally caught after years then the community would be like WHOA who would have guessed.Cheats have evolved incredibly to the point it is almost impossible to spot one and does take a vet of that game and one who understands how cheats work to spot one. A game like Fortnite is NOT a good design to spot a cheat because it is always in the open.A game that uses walls where you can NOT see your opponent starts to show when a player is cheating.Example you just stick your head out and dude is already lined up on you not looking anywhere else.
Cheats have evolved into aim assists/aimbots that no longer snap to the target,they move slower to imply manual aim and can be adjusted to work with your ping.Even the accuracy can be adjusted because obviously a locked on target is a dead give away,so you can set aim assist to say 85%.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Are you not the wolf and i am the sheep if i act and agree on your arguments ? but seriously if i see a game on steam that i think i might like i read the reviews if im not satisfied with them ill watch a stream and then decide weather i would like to buy or not just because a streamer may say this is a great game or its shite i can see for myself from their gameplay if its my sort of game regardless of weather their good or bad at the game
Are you not the wolf and i am the sheep if i act and agree on your arguments ? but seriously if i see a game on steam that i think i might like i read the reviews if im not satisfied with them ill watch a stream and then decide weather i would like to buy or not just because a streamer may say this is a great game or its shite i can see for myself from their gameplay if its my sort of game regardless of weather their good or bad at the game
Actually in my illustration, the wolf would be the one who takes advantage of the sheep. That would be the streamer = wolf. I'm just a bystander who notices.
Reading a review, or watching a stream of someone playing a game so that you can determine if you want to purchase the game makes total sense. That's not what the majority of the "watchers" are doing however. They watch it like a show. They type their little messages, which disappear in less than a second, in the hopes that they get noticed by someone. Then they donate money to the streamer for whatever reason.... And the process continues. What kind of person does this? Seriously. Sheep.
Yes, I call them sheep. Anyone that is sitting there watching this, and trying to get noticed on a ticker-tape chat and throwing money at the screen just so their little name pops up and tells everyone that you donated $2.00....again just to get noticed, is a sheep.
This behavior of "the people" that are doing this, IMO, is ruining gaming in general. I state PC gaming because aside from Origin, Blizzard, and a few other launchers, Steam is the most prominent. The statistics show the data, and it points to this type of behavior. The newer, and sometimes better games are being avoided and ignored by the VAST majority....again, according to the data.
Are you not the wolf and i am the sheep if i act and agree on your arguments ? but seriously if i see a game on steam that i think i might like i read the reviews if im not satisfied with them ill watch a stream and then decide weather i would like to buy or not just because a streamer may say this is a great game or its shite i can see for myself from their gameplay if its my sort of game regardless of weather their good or bad at the game
Actually in my illustration, the wolf would be the one who takes advantage of the sheep. That would be the streamer = wolf. I'm just a bystander who notices.
Reading a review, or watching a stream of someone playing a game so that you can determine if you want to purchase the game makes total sense. That's not what the majority of the "watchers" are doing however. They watch it like a show. They type their little messages, which disappear in less than a second, in the hopes that they get noticed by someone. Then they donate money to the streamer for whatever reason.... And the process continues. What kind of person does this? Seriously. Sheep.
Yes, I call them sheep. Anyone that is sitting there watching this, and trying to get noticed on a ticker-tape chat and throwing money at the screen just so their little name pops up and tells everyone that you donated $2.00....again just to get noticed, is a sheep.
This behavior of "the people" that are doing this, IMO, is ruining gaming in general. I state PC gaming because aside from Origin, Blizzard, and a few other launchers, Steam is the most prominent. The statistics show the data, and it points to this type of behavior. The newer, and sometimes better games are being avoided and ignored by the VAST majority....again, according to the data.
well i didnt actually know that people chucked money at streamers i thought they got their money by the advertising in their streams but i dont see a big problem with this if you go to the cinema its going to cost you about £10 to be entertained for a couple of hours do people chuck money at boring streamers ? ill be honest if the Hiveleader was to make longer streams id be tempted to chuck him a couple of bucks because he entertains me but then again probarly not because hes likely to say sucker lol and ok i get it anyone who chucks money at a streamer just to say they have in chat would be a bit sad
The thing with using streaming as your game health benchmark is, it isn't even balanced in the games.
Top 3 games will consume 90% of the viewers but go in to the said game category and it is just as top heavy. 200 people can be streaming PubG but 99% of the viewers are on 3 streamers. The other 197 streamers have 1 or 2 viewers.
The bigger thing is, those streamers could be playing (and have) Goat Simulator and the views follow them. In short, the games are not the draw. The streamers are.
Even in steam, the games that are high player active are lobby games and the games don't distinguish how they got logged in to the lobby or if they are active in the game. If 90% of your time in an MMO was spent LFG you we would call that game garbage but that is precisely what Lobby games are. Maybe that's why we are at an MMO web site and play MMOs.
If your trying to get a feel for what game you should stream, play whatever. If you have a gimmick that gets you millions of viewers they will watch you play anything as long as you play the game and don't let it play you. Something good streamers have mastered.
The thing with using streaming as your game health benchmark is, it isn't even balanced in the games.
Top 3 games will consume 90% of the viewers but go in to the said game category and it is just as top heavy. 200 people can be streaming PubG but 99% of the viewers are on 3 streamers. The other 197 streamers have 1 or 2 viewers.
The bigger thing is, those streamers could be playing (and have) Goat Simulator and the views follow them. In short, the games are not the draw. The streamers are.
Even in steam, the games that are high player active are lobby games and the games don't distinguish how they got logged in to the lobby or if they are active in the game. If 90% of your time in an MMO was spent LFG you we would call that game garbage but that is precisely what Lobby games are. Maybe that's why we are at an MMO web site and play MMOs.
If your trying to get a feel for what game you should stream, play whatever. If you have a gimmick that gets you millions of viewers they will watch you play anything as long as you play the game and don't let it play you. Something good streamers have mastered.
…..aaaaaannnnnddd…..those people that follow those streamers, to watch anything they play, just because they are popular, are...….sheep.
Problems are problems, not things. Things are never problems themselves, neither people or games.
Moving on..
I've always had this idea that games can take advantage of basically free advertisement. Every year, there is x amount of people getting into computer games, and if they are more like a blank slate, they will probably end up playing whatever if they are given a little push. So.. I imagine this terrible world with hyped game, and games sell themselves to a horde of gamers that are probably naive, guillible and don't have strong opinions on gaming, being all too happy playing games.
I remember playing 'Battlefield 3' and I had fun, but then I played DayZ and Arma, and Battlefield seemed silly all of a sudden. Disclaimer, I am NOT suggesting that Arma is a good game, but it offer a different type of gameplay that is more epic, with a larger game world.
I regret not playing Arma before I was exposed to the hype around the release of Elder Scrolls Skyrim. I naively thought that game number 5 (Skyrim) would be a lot better than number 4 (Oblivion), and I was terribly wrong. Never will I play another Bethesda game.
I am of the belief that if you are a game dev and end up making a game that is good, people will probably take notice and make it popular.
Seems to me, that game devs don't want to make good games, but instead want to make popular games, which might be entirely differnt from being good.
I will resist the hype of Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Citizen isn't looking good imo.
'Red Dead Redemption 2' looks interesting despite being a console game, but I strongly suspect that the game is not offering the kind of gaming experience that I crave, and is perhaps more like a theme park ride.
The thing with using streaming as your game health benchmark is, it isn't even balanced in the games.
Top 3 games will consume 90% of the viewers but go in to the said game category and it is just as top heavy. 200 people can be streaming PubG but 99% of the viewers are on 3 streamers. The other 197 streamers have 1 or 2 viewers.
The bigger thing is, those streamers could be playing (and have) Goat Simulator and the views follow them. In short, the games are not the draw. The streamers are.
Even in steam, the games that are high player active are lobby games and the games don't distinguish how they got logged in to the lobby or if they are active in the game. If 90% of your time in an MMO was spent LFG you we would call that game garbage but that is precisely what Lobby games are. Maybe that's why we are at an MMO web site and play MMOs.
If your trying to get a feel for what game you should stream, play whatever. If you have a gimmick that gets you millions of viewers they will watch you play anything as long as you play the game and don't let it play you. Something good streamers have mastered.
…..aaaaaannnnnddd…..those people that follow those streamers, to watch anything they play, just because they are popular, are...….sheep.
Do you like something? Do other people like the same thing? Awesome, now you’re a sheep too...
Your simplification is quite frankly ridiculous and insulting to boot. Everybody is a wolf and a sheep, it depends on the situation, your labels are meaningless.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Maybe you should start with something more basic, like: People are free.
You don't need to understand why people choose some way to spend their free time. You only need to understand that they are free to do so, but you are not free to call groups who choose differently a problem while you're in public.
I am NOT free, but I am cheap! $5/hour
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Do you like something? Do other people like the same thing? Awesome, now you’re a sheep too...
Your simplification is quite frankly ridiculous and insulting to boot. Everybody is a wolf and a sheep, it depends on the situation, your labels are meaningless.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Nah, I don't see how your description works. For example, if I like a band's music. And other people like that band's music. That doesn't make me a sheep, or them. The band produces a product. I/we like that product, so we purchase that product. It is a product. The band made that product. We like it, we purchase it. That is normal marketing.
Paying a streamer to get yourself noticed, making comments on the ass-kisser ticker tape of a chat window, just to get yourself noticed, and mostly, watching whatever the streamer does just because he is popular and everyone else is going to be there too....that makes them a sheep.
Why a sheep? Because they are a sucker. Being led, moved, and influenced by a fickle majority is exactly what a sheep is. Doing what they do, just because others do it....yeah. Funny how this can also be used to describe some political groups as well. But it's simple. They aren't thinking for themselves, they just go with the flow.
Do you like something? Do other people like the same thing? Awesome, now you’re a sheep too...
Your simplification is quite frankly ridiculous and insulting to boot. Everybody is a wolf and a sheep, it depends on the situation, your labels are meaningless.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
Nah, I don't see how your description works. For example, if I like a band's music. And other people like that band's music. That doesn't make me a sheep, or them. The band produces a product. I/we like that product, so we purchase that product. It is a product. The band made that product. We like it, we purchase it. That is normal marketing.
Paying a streamer to get yourself noticed, making comments on the ass-kisser ticker tape of a chat window, just to get yourself noticed, and mostly, watching whatever the streamer does just because he is popular and everyone else is going to be there too....that makes them a sheep.
Why a sheep? Because they are a sucker. Being led, moved, and influenced by a fickle majority is exactly what a sheep is. Doing what they do, just because others do it....yeah. Funny how this can also be used to describe some political groups as well. But it's simple. They aren't thinking for themselves, they just go with the flow.
What if someone uses the comments on the streamers feed to make a career, get himself noticed? He is a wolf then, not a sheep, it depends on the situation whether or not someone is a sheep or a wolf, and you are in no position to judge them, yet you try.
You think you found all those awesome bands completely by yourself? No recommendations from friends? From Itunes? From a festival? From reviews? You get influenced all the timr, just like everybody else, you are a sheep then, even if you don’t realise it. It is very hypocrite to say that others are being led somewhere and are sheep and you actually chose everything yourself, perhaps they did as well? You assume a lot and talk down on a group which you yourself are part of half the time, you can get of the high horse.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Maybe you should start with something more basic, like: People are free.
You don't need to understand why people choose some way to spend their free time. You only need to understand that they are free to do so, but you are not free to call groups who choose differently a problem while you're in public.
I am NOT free, but I am cheap! $5/hour
If everyone in my country would donate 10 cents to me, they wouldn't be any poorer, but I'd never have any money problems ever. I hate selfish people
That's the mobile business model. People sell icon packs for $0.99 and easily make $50k-$100k per icon pack. I might just have to learn to make those.
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You are close, but missed the mark. As others pointed out these games aren't trendy or about youtubers. Its about the competitiveness nature of the game. When a game is good and competitive it really doesn't matter how "New" the game is as long as it scratches an itch, in this case its competition.
This is further explained with how we as humans consume sports the first competitive games, we have played Football, Soccer, Hockey, Lacross, Rugby, Racing for how long close to hundreds of years, shouldn't we be making new Sports to play instead of the old stuff that we watch? Not to say that things don't change but how often, as we no longer watch the Gladiator fights at the Colosseum anymore, but some say it just evolved into modern sports.
So to conclude this is just par for the course for Humans, find what you want to play and like how cares about the others as they would just be watching Sports anyways and not interfering with your gaming.
To be a gamer means you like to play video games. That has always meant (until presently) that we feed on the creativity of the artistic developers. You can only play Mario for so long until you would like something new. Then along comes Sonic. That works for a while too. And on and on. We used to be a niche group of people that abhorred the sports industry (I liked playing them as a kid with friends from time to time). A lot of us were bullied by the "popular" crowds, and we rejected them as well. We grew up being the black sheep of the family because we liked playing games. Everyone called us "nerds" or "geeks".
But now, those "sports-types" of people are all considered "gamers" as well. And our beloved developers, those companies, are catering to them on a constant basis.
And I think the reason MOBA type of game is more popular is because pvp players just want to pvp. They don't need to waste time on the "extras". Probably why the same reason people complain about themepark games. People always want 100% of the mmorpg to cater for them.
How can I, a person who is wanting to find a leisure activity, be wrong about what I prefer?
Can a preference, by definition, be wrong?
I would say they can be morally wrong, or ethically wrong, and different people with different preferences may not agree with each other, but that isn't the same thing as saying my preference is wrong... So I would say that a preference cannot be wrong, it just exists.
Since my preference as a gamer can't be wrong, the game must be incompatible with my preference. Therefore, the games are wrong, not the players.
It's a developers job to cater to their player base, not the other way around. That being said, I can accept that not all games target me as a player. And I can even accept that my play style and preferences are not main stream any longer and, as a result, don't receive a lot of attention any longer. I think other people just need to come to the same realization: it's not all about ~you~.
Maybe you should start with something more basic, like: People are free.
You don't need to understand why people choose some way to spend their free time. You only need to understand that they are free to do so, but you are not free to call groups who choose differently a problem while you're in public.
I have made this point a hundred or more times already for many years.
No question what so ever that popularity both in numbers and the streamers/players makes it or breaks it.Popularity can just start with even a mediocre number but it snowballs quickly.Like Wow for example,what did it have the first few months,2-3 million?Then it snowballed to 16 million.
The game Fortnite,i had this very thought on that game just last night while i was playing imo the MUCH better UT99.Ut99 is quite old now,dated graphics so none of that cutesy pink napsacks or pink hats crap.Then the game is no longer on the scene for Esports or ladders or leagues,so it does not attract the $$$$ and the players seeking fame and fortune.Then the popular streamers won't play it because it won't bring in the most viewers.
I know fps gaming very well,i come from the Quake Ut background.I know everything from latency to cheats to zaxis to hot spots,map control ,weapon types,distance,listening for sounds,etc etc.There is without question no doubt UT99 is MUCH better than Fortnite,so people are NOT playing for the fun or the most competitive atmosphere,they are playing for the ranks,the popularity and the money.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
As to the poster who says he watches streams to learn from credible players,well that is a good idea and works for the most part.
There are things you might not understand or know and will not see in a stream,VERY important things.Latency,i have seen top players AFRAID to lose would hangout on the lowest ping servers all the time.Then there is your entire computer setup from network cards,to mouse Dpi,to monitor to keybinds.
Keybinds is an important topic because most people or a high majority have no clue what is going on.When i was a noob,i had no clue,i was amazed the first time i realized and how much better it makes you as a player.
Cheats:The term credible is very tough,you just never know.I have seen cheats finally caught after years then the community would be like WHOA who would have guessed.Cheats have evolved incredibly to the point it is almost impossible to spot one and does take a vet of that game and one who understands how cheats work to spot one.
A game like Fortnite is NOT a good design to spot a cheat because it is always in the open.A game that uses walls where you can NOT see your opponent starts to show when a player is cheating.Example you just stick your head out and dude is already lined up on you not looking anywhere else.
Cheats have evolved into aim assists/aimbots that no longer snap to the target,they move slower to imply manual aim and can be adjusted to work with your ping.Even the accuracy can be adjusted because obviously a locked on target is a dead give away,so you can set aim assist to say 85%.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Reading a review, or watching a stream of someone playing a game so that you can determine if you want to purchase the game makes total sense. That's not what the majority of the "watchers" are doing however. They watch it like a show. They type their little messages, which disappear in less than a second, in the hopes that they get noticed by someone. Then they donate money to the streamer for whatever reason.... And the process continues. What kind of person does this? Seriously. Sheep.
Yes, I call them sheep. Anyone that is sitting there watching this, and trying to get noticed on a ticker-tape chat and throwing money at the screen just so their little name pops up and tells everyone that you donated $2.00....again just to get noticed, is a sheep.
This behavior of "the people" that are doing this, IMO, is ruining gaming in general. I state PC gaming because aside from Origin, Blizzard, and a few other launchers, Steam is the most prominent. The statistics show the data, and it points to this type of behavior. The newer, and sometimes better games are being avoided and ignored by the VAST majority....again, according to the data.
Moving on..
I've always had this idea that games can take advantage of basically free advertisement. Every year, there is x amount of people getting into computer games, and if they are more like a blank slate, they will probably end up playing whatever if they are given a little push. So.. I imagine this terrible world with hyped game, and games sell themselves to a horde of gamers that are probably naive, guillible and don't have strong opinions on gaming, being all too happy playing games.
I remember playing 'Battlefield 3' and I had fun, but then I played DayZ and Arma, and Battlefield seemed silly all of a sudden. Disclaimer, I am NOT suggesting that Arma is a good game, but it offer a different type of gameplay that is more epic, with a larger game world.
I regret not playing Arma before I was exposed to the hype around the release of Elder Scrolls Skyrim. I naively thought that game number 5 (Skyrim) would be a lot better than number 4 (Oblivion), and I was terribly wrong. Never will I play another Bethesda game.
I am of the belief that if you are a game dev and end up making a game that is good, people will probably take notice and make it popular.
Seems to me, that game devs don't want to make good games, but instead want to make popular games, which might be entirely differnt from being good.
I will resist the hype of Cyberpunk 2077 and Star Citizen isn't looking good imo.
'Red Dead Redemption 2' looks interesting despite being a console game, but I strongly suspect that the game is not offering the kind of gaming experience that I crave, and is perhaps more like a theme park ride.
Your simplification is quite frankly ridiculous and insulting to boot. Everybody is a wolf and a sheep, it depends on the situation, your labels are meaningless.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Paying a streamer to get yourself noticed, making comments on the ass-kisser ticker tape of a chat window, just to get yourself noticed, and mostly, watching whatever the streamer does just because he is popular and everyone else is going to be there too....that makes them a sheep.
Why a sheep? Because they are a sucker. Being led, moved, and influenced by a fickle majority is exactly what a sheep is. Doing what they do, just because others do it....yeah. Funny how this can also be used to describe some political groups as well. But it's simple. They aren't thinking for themselves, they just go with the flow.
You think you found all those awesome bands completely by yourself? No recommendations from friends? From Itunes? From a festival? From reviews? You get influenced all the timr, just like everybody else, you are a sheep then, even if you don’t realise it. It is very hypocrite to say that others are being led somewhere and are sheep and you actually chose everything yourself, perhaps they did as well? You assume a lot and talk down on a group which you yourself are part of half the time, you can get of the high horse.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer