I mean seriously, you don't like his opinion so you're going to broadly accuse him of pandering with no actual specifics and you don't even have the character to be civil about it.
Civility requires a certain level of intellect. The sort who would launch into early and unsubstantiated accusations like that is either a child or has the mind of one. It's highly likely they'll never even realize how moronic they've been, and aren't really capable of having it explained to them.
Appreciate the defense, though.
Not so much personal defense as I think it's messed up to argue by integrity. It doesn't matter why you made your opinion. It's yours and people can argue for or against it based on their own reasons, but not undermine it by judging your character and the right to present it.
True to a point, but lets take the hypothetical streamer who plugs a game and doesn't let it be known that he received X, Y or Z for doing so. I think it's valid to bring that into the discussion. That said, I do not believe that happened here. Just wanted to make the point that sometimes it IS important to know the backstory.
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Cohhcarnage is streaming ATLAS on Twitch, right now. Feel free to go watch for yourself. Crashes and rubber-banding is being misreported.
Cohh has a private server setup with double XP and double resources...there's a reason he's enjoying it..
Yeah he had his viewers donating hundreds if not thousands of dollars to make that server possible. I am not sure how many IPs he bought. I suspect only a few but he also has a fairly large following so he probably close to 7500 subscribers. i dont think he ever says what he has but it could even be more than that.
But always funny people watching these private servers and thinking its indicative of the game. The same way they all think ARK is so awesome. Go log into an official server and come back and tell us what you think of ARK.
I would like to play ATLAS because it has some cool features, (I would say the modders they hired to do some of that werent overwhelmed) but I am not investing time and energy into something that is first off going to get wiped (or should) and secondly wont ever be optimized and wont ever be that 'this is MY game game'. If i want to play a game for a hundred hours or so I will just keep playing Wither 3 (still havent finished every ending) or keep playing Stellaris, or get some other game that you can play a few different ways and waste a few hundred hours in. I put almost 1500 hours into ARK and I havent played it since they released that paid DLC. Whatever the dragon one was.
But basically that stream completely defines the title of this article. Another complete misrepresentation of what 95% (or more) of the people who are going to play the game can expect.
????
the private servers aren't playing a different game or modded out the wazoo with kits, random additional content, etc, it's the exact same game, just slightly higher rates. It doesn't change what content the game has or what can be done by the player.
What he likes and said is the smoother experience of he's own server which he started before the fixes, but time and time again people have said has more or less been sorted now.
The way you're talking is as if he fixed the bugs, but in the content himself completely revamping the game.
So overall is does represents the game when the servers run well, which they do now on official.
Why is everybody discussing this game like a full released Version. Its Early Access, there can be problems. Y, the trailer was not what the game looks like, but they are never!!!
They advertised the trailer of being in game footage though so the expectation is already set by the company.
It is in game footage, look at the animation and movement then go in game and tell me it's not the same, they're both janky and not very smooth. the graphics are the same, you can do everything shown in the trailer, build your own ship, fight other ships, fight elemental, be attack by mermaids, fight ghost ships, tame animals.
It does what any trailer will do an show you all the best bits. I'm truly confused to what is being misrepresented?
LMAO no they dont. I have the streams on in the background for noise and there are crashes all day long. Only reason it SEEMS like theyre doing better is everyone is spread out now. Which is why all those private servers run so well (or should).
And despite the numbers people throw out there are fewer and fewer people logging in. Last night was Friday and they didnt set a new online record, and tonight is Sat and theyre sitting at ~58K people which includes every server including private ones. EU and NA PvE and PvP.
It will be the same as every other MMO that has come along the past decade, first 2-3 weeks will be the most people the game ever sees, and as people start accomplishing things theyll get bored because there really isnt anything to do in the game once youve maxed leveled whatever skill line youre doing and youve made a few ships.
PvP isnt enough and when its as buggy and weak as this game offers then it makes it even worse. Offline raiding is what its all about. You might get lucky if youre stream sniping someone and you actually want to have an encounter but other than that the chances of getting into some random fight at sea are just about zero.
These streamers are streaming this game (most on the same server) 24 hours a day. Other than Moonmoon I havent seen an actual PvP encounter whatsoever. I have watched other streamers sail around for 6-7-8 hours a day and night and there isnt anything at all going on other than them sailing around stopping to pick people up who glitch through boats or suiciding and spawning in a bed.
Its just another one of those fooler games where it looks like there is so much to do, but ion the end it is all the same old same old. Run around gathering crap to build crap that youre too afraid to lose and thus dont use it for its intended purpose.
Now with all that being said Wildcard are the princes of feature creep (we all know who the king is) so they will eventually eek out all the stuff they showed in that movie they claimed was in gameplay footage. But if anything a lot of that stuff will actually make it worse. I can imagine how it will be with dragons flying around.
I might've been more specific than that; there are very intellectual folks who struggle with emotional restraint. Emotional intelligence is a very specific kind of intelligence.
For example, there are a number of historically idolized authors that were notorious wrecks emotionally. Poe was still very much an intellectual and student of the written word, in spite of his serious emotional issues.
Maybe that's me nitpicking though.
No, that's true. I was mostly joking.
The two do often go hand in hand, though. That's why it was only half in jest. Most of the folks who make those sort of attacks really do just lack the cognitive capacity to understand why their point isn't really valid. Baseless and poorly thought-out personal attacks are nearly always from folks who don't exactly present with a lot in the way of ken-type of intelligence.
Emotional intelligence is, as you noted, something else completely. It's a problem I suffer from myself, as I'm not really the most socially developed guy on the planet. I've had to fight through that deficiency as a business owner and involved citizen in my city's government, but it's still nothing I'm fluent or comfortable with.
See... I thought the attacks were unfair but you’ve just taken it up 3 notches. Just a suggestion but if you are going to be given a platform for posting your opinion you might want to develop a thicker skin.
The shot wasn't because my feelings were hurt in any way. It'd take something a lot more thought-out and targeted to really get anywhere close to getting under my skin.
You have to understand, I see those same lame ad hominem attacks ad nausium. They're virtually always devoid of any form of rational thought and I'm pretty confident most of them originate from pre-teens based on the grammar.
I ignore it for the most part, but occasionally I just feel like punching back because it amuses me.
You're justified in being put off by it. I don't hold it against you in the least.
Do you trust 100% when someone says "FUN" or "BAD" or do you read what they're saying instead and judge based on that?
I don't know how many "bad" reviews I've read that explained why they thought it was bad and made me want to play something.
Just a thought.
Incredibly legitimate point. There are a number of reviewers who I know don't like some of the game I like. When they review something negatively for some of those specific reasons, that's a clear indication that it's a game I may want to check out.
It's a VERY smart idea to understand when you like something a specific reviewer doesn't, and use that as a personal indication in favor of your own interest.
So let me get this straight. I claim people can pander to "future benefits" by giving absurd reviews and such and you want to call me a liar? It's been stated countless times. There's a reason people enjoy Angry Joe reviews, because he doesn't work for the dollar. He works for an honest review, which just so happens to have made him popular enough to earn money for doing so. I didn't claim that it happened here, I was making a point that the phrase "brown nose" was created for a reason.
ROFL You might want to recheck those facts. I've been to some of the same events as Joe. If anything Youtubers and streamers get even more than writers these days. You don't think everyone pays for their own hotel rooms and meals at sponsored events do you?
Hmm. In fact, that might make for a good article. Next time I go to a big event, I might write about the experience of attending as media, which is more or less the same treatment streamers get. It's clear there's not a lot of understanding around how those things work.
So let me get this straight. I claim people can pander to "future benefits" by giving absurd reviews and such and you want to call me a liar? It's been stated countless times. There's a reason people enjoy Angry Joe reviews, because he doesn't work for the dollar. He works for an honest review, which just so happens to have made him popular enough to earn money for doing so. I didn't claim that it happened here, I was making a point that the phrase "brown nose" was created for a reason.
ROFL You might want to recheck those facts. I've been to some of the same events as Joe. If anything Youtubers and streamers get even more than writers these days. You don't think everyone pays for their own hotel rooms and meals at sponsored events do you?
Hmm. In fact, that might make for a good article. Next time I go to a big event, I might write about the experience of attending as media, which is more or less the same treatment streamers get. It's clear there's not a lot of understanding around how those things work.
I love how people always check streamers to get an honest view as they are just ‘regular Bob or Joe,’ this contrary to forum posters or reviewers. Its very, very naive.
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Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
You don't have to get paid to have a brown nose either. It's called projected profits.
That makes absolutely no sense at all. If I wasn't paid, then it wasn't sponsored. Whether or not they make a profit has nothing to do with me.
Do you just throw out random phrases hoping one occasionally lucks into some form of pertinence?
It makes absolutely perfect sense and if you can't accept that, then we can just agree to disagree. No hard feelings... mate.
No, it doesn't. I literally have no idea what you're talking about because what you said makes zero sense. Do you think I've invested in this game in some fashion or something? How am I supposed to be a part of these projected profits you're talking about?
...and for the record, when I DO invest in a company (as I did with ArtCraft Entertainment/Crowfall), I stop writing about them for the most part and very clearly state that I have a financial interest when I do.
I don't usually invest past the Series A rounds, so I don't see myself investing in Instinct Games any time soon.
Actually, I recall being told I'm quite intelligent, especially in regards to logic and reason. However, I tend to call it like I see it which comes off very brash. Still, I'm pretty sure if you read what I said, I clearly didn't accuse you of pandering to future benefits. I was merely stating that it's a possibility and that you shouldn't dismiss it as such. One last thing, I also find people who take offense to things are generally guilty by emotional association. Just saying.
Everyone's parents tell them that they're smart. It's not actually true.
I'm not offended, despite the fact that you are being offensive (which is clearly not me being defensive since someone else pointed it out without my input). You absolutely implied that I was somehow on the take, though you managed to do it in a way that was as confusing as it was unsubstantiated.
I love how people always check streamers to get an honest view as they are just ‘regular Bob or Joe,’ this contrary to forum posters or reviewers. Its very, very naive.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
To be fair, there are a lot of streamers who don't really get those sorts of perks. Angry Joe is most definitely not among those that don't, though.
Easy way to know the difference is just to watch which events they attend. If they're in the Twitch booth at PAX, that's a big red flag for you.
See... I thought the attacks were unfair but you’ve just taken it up 3 notches. Just a suggestion but if you are going to be given a platform for posting your opinion you might want to develop a thicker skin.
The shot wasn't because my feelings were hurt in any way. It'd take something a lot more thought-out and targeted to really get anywhere close to getting under my skin.
You have to understand, I see those same lame ad hominem attacks ad nausium. They're virtually always devoid of any form of rational thought and I'm pretty confident most of them originate from pre-teens based on the grammar.
I ignore it for the most part, but occasionally I just feel like punching back because it amuses me.
You're justified in being put off by it. I don't hold it against you in the least.
And you again take the opportunity to get into the mud. Think about what you said. Either you are taking another poke at them with the pre-teen comment or you really think you are arguing with 10 year olds. It’s not a good look either way. Like Wopr said in Wargames. The only winning move is not to play.
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The sad thing is most people will think it's the developers. It's not the developers, it's the shareholders and top management. Instead of letting them finish the game on the devs time table they decided they are going to rush it and mislead the public by doctoring videos of gameplay. That's something a shareholder will do, companies like Activision and Trion, instead of going around and blaming developers or the whole mmorpg industry in general, why not spend time criticising the shareholders grip on this industry trying to get as many $ as they can!
This sounds like a pay to play pre-alpha release. It will probably be ready to play in about two years. Sounds like they did get people with that land rush thingy.
Bingo, and why there is a gamer alive today who bought into this expecting anything else than what they got baffles me.
Are people really that naive, just doesn't seem possible but I guess one could still sell them bridges if so inclined.
I agree to a point, but I still believe that companies need to be held accountable for misleading consumers:
"Atlas is groundbreaking in its scope and ambition, but it’s far from what you saw in that long gameplay trailer, and it’s definitely not quite everything the steam pages claims it will be or should be. "
Those are Bill's words. He's not exactly the "Get Yer Pitchforks" kind of guy. I just do not think it's acceptable to say that consumers should naturally expect a company to use false advertising. Why do we accept in this product-stream what we would NEVER accept elsewhere?
My wife brought me home a McDonalds double cheeseburger today.
It looked nothing like the pictures in the store, instead looking all lopsided and a bit flat.
In fact, food at almost any restaurant never looks anything like the pictured menu items, as those photos are professionally shot, the food crafted with a precision never done in an actual restaurant, and the food rarely lives up to descriptors such as "just like Mom used to make" or "best pizza ever!!
Yet I know this will almost always be true, yet I and most others understand we will never get the item as depicted or described, yet nary a complaint
So when an actual game product doesn't live up to the trailer or marketing copy why the many complaints and what is really so different?
Red Ball Jets never had 10 cents on underneath the heel either when I "stopped on a dime."
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This sounds like a pay to play pre-alpha release. It will probably be ready to play in about two years. Sounds like they did get people with that land rush thingy.
Bingo, and why there is a gamer alive today who bought into this expecting anything else than what they got baffles me.
Are people really that naive, just doesn't seem possible but I guess one could still sell them bridges if so inclined.
I agree to a point, but I still believe that companies need to be held accountable for misleading consumers:
"Atlas is groundbreaking in its scope and ambition, but it’s far from what you saw in that long gameplay trailer, and it’s definitely not quite everything the steam pages claims it will be or should be. "
Those are Bill's words. He's not exactly the "Get Yer Pitchforks" kind of guy. I just do not think it's acceptable to say that consumers should naturally expect a company to use false advertising. Why do we accept in this product-stream what we would NEVER accept elsewhere?
My wife brought me home a McDonalds double cheeseburger today.
It looked nothing like the pictures in the store, instead looking all lopsided and a bit flat.
In fact, food at almost any restaurant never looks anything like the pictured menu items, as those photos are professionally shot, the food crafted with a precision never done in an actual restaurant, and the food rarely lives up to descriptors such as "just like Mom used to make" or "best pizza ever!!
Yet I know this will almost always be true, yet I and most others understand we will never get the item as depicted or described, yet nary a complaint
So when an actual game product doesn't live up to the trailer or marketing copy why the many complaints and what is really so different?
Red Ball Jets never had 10 cents on underneath the heel either when I "stopped on a dime."
There is a time to stop believing in fairies....
Thinking these terribad releases are more like if your double cheeseburger was missing the cheese and undercooked, not just a little less visually appealing.
This sounds like a pay to play pre-alpha release. It will probably be ready to play in about two years. Sounds like they did get people with that land rush thingy.
Bingo, and why there is a gamer alive today who bought into this expecting anything else than what they got baffles me.
Are people really that naive, just doesn't seem possible but I guess one could still sell them bridges if so inclined.
I agree to a point, but I still believe that companies need to be held accountable for misleading consumers:
"Atlas is groundbreaking in its scope and ambition, but it’s far from what you saw in that long gameplay trailer, and it’s definitely not quite everything the steam pages claims it will be or should be. "
Those are Bill's words. He's not exactly the "Get Yer Pitchforks" kind of guy. I just do not think it's acceptable to say that consumers should naturally expect a company to use false advertising. Why do we accept in this product-stream what we would NEVER accept elsewhere?
My wife brought me home a McDonalds double cheeseburger today.
It looked nothing like the pictures in the store, instead looking all lopsided and a bit flat.
In fact, food at almost any restaurant never looks anything like the pictured menu items, as those photos are professionally shot, the food crafted with a precision never done in an actual restaurant, and the food rarely lives up to descriptors such as "just like Mom used to make" or "best pizza ever!!
Yet I know this will almost always be true, yet I and most others understand we will never get the item as depicted or described, yet nary a complaint
So when an actual game product doesn't live up to the trailer or marketing copy why the many complaints and what is really so different?
Red Ball Jets never had 10 cents on underneath the heel either when I "stopped on a dime."
There is a time to stop believing in fairies....
Thinking these terribad releases are more like if your double cheeseburger was missing the cheese and undercooked, not just a little less visually appealing.
Hell I think you could make a food analogy where this is like inviting the general public into the kitchen to pay for the privilege of doing food prep with the hope of one day eating a fully cooked burger.
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And you again take the opportunity to get into the mud. Think about what you said. Either you are taking another poke at them with the pre-teen comment or you really think you are arguing with 10 year olds. It’s not a good look either way. Like Wopr said in Wargames. The only winning move is not to play.
It's not an argument. Making fun of someone (which I acknowledge isn't particularly mature of me) is not arguing.
When idiots poke at you constantly, sometimes it just feels good to give in and let someone have it. When someone goes out of their way to be insulting, you can't be too surprised that they occasionally get insulted back.
I draw the distinction, because as @Torval pointed out, there's a huge difference between questions/disagreeing and just making really dumb accusations. I've had a few dissenting opinions over the years that were incredibly interesting, so I never mind opposing views.
The sad thing is most people will think it's the developers. It's not the developers, it's the shareholders and top management. Instead of letting them finish the game on the devs time table they decided they are going to rush it and mislead the public by doctoring videos of gameplay. That's something a shareholder will do, companies like Activision and Trion, instead of going around and blaming developers or the whole mmorpg industry in general, why not spend time criticising the shareholders grip on this industry trying to get as many $ as they can!
Could be both in this case. These guys aren't a huge studio and the smaller shops tend to have a little more control over that sort of thing.
Not always true, but it's fair to throw a little blame at the devs when something comes out that had the problems ATLAS had. Of course, you have to qualify the negativity by acknowledging the really successful recovery, too.
In the end, there's only one group to blame, the consumers. They do these early releases because people will pay. It's good for their pocket books because people want it. The minute the general population stops buying into early access, it'll die.
Reviews aside Red, you come across as arrogant and bigoted from your replies here on this discussion. Regarding peoples grammar, you of all people should be aware that a lot of people using these forums don't have English as their first language and suggesting people on the forums are less intelligent than yourself isn't perhaps the most intelligent course of action for someone who writes online reviews, which is wonderfully ironic given your view of the other posters in this discussion.
Hypocritical. You think that I'm being hypocritical, not bigoted. Which I'm not, because I've not attacked anyone for thinking ATLAS sucks. That's a completely valid position.
w/r to arrogance, sure. I'm not actually, but it's fair to suggest I am based on this conversation.
I think you misread that or just missed the context, though. I'm talking about people with very illogical and poorly constructed positions who ALSO have poor grammar. I'm not, nor would I, make fun of anyone for poor grammar.
I make grammar mistakes all the time, and I often deal with folks who don't have English as their first language. What I don't do is randomly make baseless personal attacks against people who just happen to disagree with me.
You know, for someone claiming intellectual superiority, you clearly have no intuitive understanding of communication. Did I not just tell you that I wasn't referring to YOU as a person who panders to future benefits, but rather people have in the past. My original comment was to show that people like that do exist. No where did I accuse YOU of anything. Like I said, the fact you think it was about YOU is why I wonder if maybe you are guilty, lol.
If you want the honest truth, I had no idea you even wrote the review before I posted my comment, so let that sink in for a moment. Eventually, you'll understand.
WHAT future benefits??
...and you may not have known it was me, but you accused the author (which turns out to be me) of brown-nosing in exchange for some mysterious future benefit of which you have not named.
Even leaving he accusation aside, what you said just doesn't make sense. No one is going to write a fluff piece in the hope of one day reaping some mystical benefit. What precisely do you think happens when these random dishonest writers take it easy on a game?
Thinking these terribad releases are more like if your double cheeseburger was missing the cheese and undercooked, not just a little less visually appealing.
...continuing the analogy, because it's awesome...
Some people prefer their burgers medium rare, and other like them well done. Under cooked to one, is perfect to the other.
In this case, you're talking about a studio with a track record of under-cooking their burgers, but you're complaining they didn't tell you that yours would be the same.
It's legitimate to not really care for ATLAS because it's in a rough state. I don't think it's really fair to blame false advertising for why you bought it and didn't like it. Clearly, they didn't do a great job of managing expectations. I really don't think it was anything malicious, though. They release stuff in rough state all the time. Why would they expect they needed to tell everyone this would be along the same lines after they had the big Early Access label on it to begin with.
Again, 100% get and respect that a lot of folks don't like the game in it's current state. I just don't agree that there was any sort of conspiracy to cheat people.
Hell I think you could make a food analogy where this is like inviting the general public into the kitchen to pay for the privilege of doing food prep with the hope of one day eating a fully cooked burger.
...you mean a burger-burn?
That's where you crowdsource the ingredients for a backyard event.
The number of ways they misrepresented this game is what gets me.
The trailer calling it gameplay but being a bad cinematic that came off as if it was almost trying to hide the survivalist style that I think they knew would not appeal to the broader mmo audience. I never played Ark. When I saw videos of the actual gameplay, I was like WTF.
Calling it open world. Open world has up until this game been reserved for games that use a very specific technique that in the industry we call origin shifting/floating origin. It explicitly doesn't use the more traditional zoning method and takes a shit ton of hard engineering to make it work. The game actually just uses the far simpler zoning method. But hey who cares about little details like that as long as they can use 'open world' to draw more people in.
The whole 40k players thing. Again it's just a simple zoned mmo that 40k number is meaningless. And they don't even handle a lot of players in the same area well. It's all extremely mediocre tech.
Frustrating to see this as a game developer. False advertising always has a negative effect on the entire industry. Shame on them.
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And despite the numbers people throw out there are fewer and fewer people logging in. Last night was Friday and they didnt set a new online record, and tonight is Sat and theyre sitting at ~58K people which includes every server including private ones. EU and NA PvE and PvP.
It will be the same as every other MMO that has come along the past decade, first 2-3 weeks will be the most people the game ever sees, and as people start accomplishing things theyll get bored because there really isnt anything to do in the game once youve maxed leveled whatever skill line youre doing and youve made a few ships.
PvP isnt enough and when its as buggy and weak as this game offers then it makes it even worse. Offline raiding is what its all about. You might get lucky if youre stream sniping someone and you actually want to have an encounter but other than that the chances of getting into some random fight at sea are just about zero.
These streamers are streaming this game (most on the same server) 24 hours a day. Other than Moonmoon I havent seen an actual PvP encounter whatsoever. I have watched other streamers sail around for 6-7-8 hours a day and night and there isnt anything at all going on other than them sailing around stopping to pick people up who glitch through boats or suiciding and spawning in a bed.
Its just another one of those fooler games where it looks like there is so much to do, but ion the end it is all the same old same old. Run around gathering crap to build crap that youre too afraid to lose and thus dont use it for its intended purpose.
Now with all that being said Wildcard are the princes of feature creep (we all know who the king is) so they will eventually eek out all the stuff they showed in that movie they claimed was in gameplay footage. But if anything a lot of that stuff will actually make it worse. I can imagine how it will be with dragons flying around.
The two do often go hand in hand, though. That's why it was only half in jest. Most of the folks who make those sort of attacks really do just lack the cognitive capacity to understand why their point isn't really valid. Baseless and poorly thought-out personal attacks are nearly always from folks who don't exactly present with a lot in the way of ken-type of intelligence.
Emotional intelligence is, as you noted, something else completely. It's a problem I suffer from myself, as I'm not really the most socially developed guy on the planet. I've had to fight through that deficiency as a business owner and involved citizen in my city's government, but it's still nothing I'm fluent or comfortable with.
You have to understand, I see those same lame ad hominem attacks ad nausium. They're virtually always devoid of any form of rational thought and I'm pretty confident most of them originate from pre-teens based on the grammar.
I ignore it for the most part, but occasionally I just feel like punching back because it amuses me.
You're justified in being put off by it. I don't hold it against you in the least.
It's a VERY smart idea to understand when you like something a specific reviewer doesn't, and use that as a personal indication in favor of your own interest.
Hmm. In fact, that might make for a good article. Next time I go to a big event, I might write about the experience of attending as media, which is more or less the same treatment streamers get. It's clear there's not a lot of understanding around how those things work.
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
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Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
...and for the record, when I DO invest in a company (as I did with ArtCraft Entertainment/Crowfall), I stop writing about them for the most part and very clearly state that I have a financial interest when I do.
I don't usually invest past the Series A rounds, so I don't see myself investing in Instinct Games any time soon.
I'm not offended, despite the fact that you are being offensive (which is clearly not me being defensive since someone else pointed it out without my input). You absolutely implied that I was somehow on the take, though you managed to do it in a way that was as confusing as it was unsubstantiated.
Easy way to know the difference is just to watch which events they attend. If they're in the Twitch booth at PAX, that's a big red flag for you.
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It looked nothing like the pictures in the store, instead looking all lopsided and a bit flat.
In fact, food at almost any restaurant never looks anything like the pictured menu items, as those photos are professionally shot, the food crafted with a precision never done in an actual restaurant, and the food rarely lives up to descriptors such as "just like Mom used to make" or "best pizza ever!!
Yet I know this will almost always be true, yet I and most others understand we will never get the item as depicted or described, yet nary a complaint
So when an actual game product doesn't live up to the trailer or marketing copy why the many complaints and what is really so different?
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/It's not an argument. Making fun of someone (which I acknowledge isn't particularly mature of me) is not arguing.
When idiots poke at you constantly, sometimes it just feels good to give in and let someone have it. When someone goes out of their way to be insulting, you can't be too surprised that they occasionally get insulted back.
I draw the distinction, because as @Torval pointed out, there's a huge difference between questions/disagreeing and just making really dumb accusations. I've had a few dissenting opinions over the years that were incredibly interesting, so I never mind opposing views.
Not always true, but it's fair to throw a little blame at the devs when something comes out that had the problems ATLAS had. Of course, you have to qualify the negativity by acknowledging the really successful recovery, too.
In the end, there's only one group to blame, the consumers. They do these early releases because people will pay. It's good for their pocket books because people want it. The minute the general population stops buying into early access, it'll die.
w/r to arrogance, sure. I'm not actually, but it's fair to suggest I am based on this conversation.
I think you misread that or just missed the context, though. I'm talking about people with very illogical and poorly constructed positions who ALSO have poor grammar. I'm not, nor would I, make fun of anyone for poor grammar.
I make grammar mistakes all the time, and I often deal with folks who don't have English as their first language. What I don't do is randomly make baseless personal attacks against people who just happen to disagree with me.
...and you may not have known it was me, but you accused the author (which turns out to be me) of brown-nosing in exchange for some mysterious future benefit of which you have not named.
Even leaving he accusation aside, what you said just doesn't make sense. No one is going to write a fluff piece in the hope of one day reaping some mystical benefit. What precisely do you think happens when these random dishonest writers take it easy on a game?
Some people prefer their burgers medium rare, and other like them well done. Under cooked to one, is perfect to the other.
In this case, you're talking about a studio with a track record of under-cooking their burgers, but you're complaining they didn't tell you that yours would be the same.
It's legitimate to not really care for ATLAS because it's in a rough state. I don't think it's really fair to blame false advertising for why you bought it and didn't like it. Clearly, they didn't do a great job of managing expectations. I really don't think it was anything malicious, though. They release stuff in rough state all the time. Why would they expect they needed to tell everyone this would be along the same lines after they had the big Early Access label on it to begin with.
Again, 100% get and respect that a lot of folks don't like the game in it's current state. I just don't agree that there was any sort of conspiracy to cheat people.
That's where you crowdsource the ingredients for a backyard event.
The trailer calling it gameplay but being a bad cinematic that came off as if it was almost trying to hide the survivalist style that I think they knew would not appeal to the broader mmo audience. I never played Ark. When I saw videos of the actual gameplay, I was like WTF.
Calling it open world. Open world has up until this game been reserved for games that use a very specific technique that in the industry we call origin shifting/floating origin. It explicitly doesn't use the more traditional zoning method and takes a shit ton of hard engineering to make it work. The game actually just uses the far simpler zoning method. But hey who cares about little details like that as long as they can use 'open world' to draw more people in.
The whole 40k players thing. Again it's just a simple zoned mmo that 40k number is meaningless. And they don't even handle a lot of players in the same area well. It's all extremely mediocre tech.
Frustrating to see this as a game developer. False advertising always has a negative effect on the entire industry. Shame on them.