I named 6 MMOs that lived long or are still going, yet people are still here saying it's a failed fork of the genre...
If developers are only after the WoW success then we'll always see the same old stuff rehashed in an attempt to be the "next big thing".
I'm sorry if it hurts your little feelings, but I appreciate the developers that take a risk and make the games they want to play because that means it might actually be something that I want to play.
WoW.. a whole 6 ?
When it comes to PvE MMo's, even Wild Star which was considered a failure by PvE MMO Standards, still lasted 7 years.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I named 6 MMOs that lived long or are still going, yet people are still here saying it's a failed fork of the genre...
If developers are only after the WoW success then we'll always see the same old stuff rehashed in an attempt to be the "next big thing".
I'm sorry if it hurts your little feelings, but I appreciate the developers that take a risk and make the games they want to play because that means it might actually be something that I want to play.
WoW.. a whole 6 ?
When it comes to PvE MMo's, even Wild Star which was considered a failure by PvE MMO Standards, still lasted 7 years.
Which is precisely why you need to look at the number of attempts as well. The number of attempted PVP games that didn't go anywhere is microscopic to the number of PVE game attempts that didn't go anywhere... But of course we don't want to think logically when our opinions are attacked.
I am still hoping someone can name a single server, PvP, full-loot, perma-death, persistent world, crafting, character building, base building MMO with a justice system and inheritance system.
You know, a game that the OP says nobody does right. Also a game that has all the things that others say is missing in PvP games.
I am asking because Haven and Hearth and Salem are the only games that I know that seems to have everything that others say is missing in a properly done PvP game.
Are there any other games like them? I have developed 30 characters in Salem over the last 5 years. I can play them separately or simultaneously, working together as a group or as individual adventurers, and any of them can join any other players, groups or towns. Some get killed and then their possessions, if any, can be inherited or left to be salvaged by others in the 5 year old single server persistent world.
So, please, can anyone tell me that there are other games like that?
And everyone still don’t know what your point is. Advertising said games?
No, not advertising the games. I am actually asking if there are any other games that host a single persistent world with full-loot permadeath PvP, with crafting, character development, base building, a justice system, and an interesting theme.
In 9 pages of comments I have heard Eve and Darkfall mentioned several times. I'll take that as the answer. I just find it humorous that in 9 pages nobody wants to or can discuss a couple of games by actual indie developers making an honest effort at a truly PvP focused MMO.
To be fair Aventurine was in fact a very indie development team and I'm sure CCP would have been considered that when they first started as well. Starvault, the developers of Mortal are indie.
In regards to the two games you mention I cannot get past the visuals and control scheme to care what they are. Bummer.
I named 6 MMOs that lived long or are still going, yet people are still here saying it's a failed fork of the genre...
If developers are only after the WoW success then we'll always see the same old stuff rehashed in an attempt to be the "next big thing".
I'm sorry if it hurts your little feelings, but I appreciate the developers that take a risk and make the games they want to play because that means it might actually be something that I want to play.
WoW.. a whole 6 ?
When it comes to PvE MMo's, even Wild Star which was considered a failure by PvE MMO Standards, still lasted 7 years.
Which is precisely why you need to look at the number of attempts as well. The number of attempted PVP games that didn't go anywhere is microscopic to the number of PVE game attempts that didn't go anywhere... But of course we don't want to think logically when our opinions are attacked.
80% of the MMO's that shut down in 2018, were PvP focused. What was that about failing ratio again?
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I named 6 MMOs that lived long or are still going, yet people are still here saying it's a failed fork of the genre...
If developers are only after the WoW success then we'll always see the same old stuff rehashed in an attempt to be the "next big thing".
I'm sorry if it hurts your little feelings, but I appreciate the developers that take a risk and make the games they want to play because that means it might actually be something that I want to play.
WoW.. a whole 6 ?
When it comes to PvE MMo's, even Wild Star which was considered a failure by PvE MMO Standards, still lasted 7 years.
Which is precisely why you need to look at the number of attempts as well. The number of attempted PVP games that didn't go anywhere is microscopic to the number of PVE game attempts that didn't go anywhere... But of course we don't want to think logically when our opinions are attacked.
80% of the MMO's that shut down in 2018, were PvP focused. What was that about failing ratio again?
Prove it. Because like I said I'm willing to be proven wrong, but you just making statements doesn't mean anything.
I named 6 MMOs that lived long or are still going, yet people are still here saying it's a failed fork of the genre...
If developers are only after the WoW success then we'll always see the same old stuff rehashed in an attempt to be the "next big thing".
I'm sorry if it hurts your little feelings, but I appreciate the developers that take a risk and make the games they want to play because that means it might actually be something that I want to play.
WoW.. a whole 6 ?
When it comes to PvE MMo's, even Wild Star which was considered a failure by PvE MMO Standards, still lasted 7 years.
Which is precisely why you need to look at the number of attempts as well. The number of attempted PVP games that didn't go anywhere is microscopic to the number of PVE game attempts that didn't go anywhere... But of course we don't want to think logically when our opinions are attacked.
80% of the MMO's that shut down in 2018, were PvP focused. What was that about failing ratio again?
Even if that were true you would have to look at the actual "why" they shut down.
This is similar to the poster who said that because more online games coming out had pvp that pvp is now the new normal.
Of course he was not really talking about mmorpg's.
People tend to see what they want to see. I'd be curious about the actual information.
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If only Albion was F2P. Good game with terrible marketing. They will never get to the crowd. Crowfall is outdated in everything - graphics, gameplay, monetization. It would be a great game if it was made before 10 years.
The big crowd is in LoL and Fortnite. But both has enough MMO and RPG elements so their players could try a competitive MMORPG. But the developers do not know how to make such, and in the Albion case - do not know how to sell it.
What do graphics have to do with gameplay? The graphics are still a WIP and looks fairly decent with everything maxed out. They also recently improved upon fps in large fights.
Monetization? There's nothing you can buy that will make you stronger ingame.
What don't you like about the gameplay? The game is still in pre-alpha and plays fairly well for where it's at.
Have you played recently?
as for Albion, ya I can agree their marketing is trash.
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I like the look of Crowfall personally. I just don't like what I see in combat. it reminds me too much of ESO's "fake" targeting combat.
Kinda true. The hitboxes are fairly large and auto-connect. But on the other end, it can be easy to juke out attacks if you kite them around a bit since movement abilities in the game are fairly quick. So there is some room for outplaying others with just your movement.
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I named 6 MMOs that lived long or are still going, yet people are still here saying it's a failed fork of the genre...
If developers are only after the WoW success then we'll always see the same old stuff rehashed in an attempt to be the "next big thing".
I'm sorry if it hurts your little feelings, but I appreciate the developers that take a risk and make the games they want to play because that means it might actually be something that I want to play.
WoW.. a whole 6 ?
When it comes to PvE MMo's, even Wild Star which was considered a failure by PvE MMO Standards, still lasted 7 years.
Which is precisely why you need to look at the number of attempts as well. The number of attempted PVP games that didn't go anywhere is microscopic to the number of PVE game attempts that didn't go anywhere... But of course we don't want to think logically when our opinions are attacked.
80% of the MMO's that shut down in 2018, were PvP focused. What was that about failing ratio again?
Even if that were true you would have to look at the actual "why" they shut down.
This is similar to the poster who said that because more online games coming out had pvp that pvp is now the new normal.
Of course he was not really talking about mmorpg's.
People tend to see what they want to see. I'd be curious about the actual information.
Good question, and that Poster might be on to something, as you had games like Paragon and Devillan, that simply could not compete with the other similar games out there. Which I think the real overall reason why so many PvP Focused games are dying off. With the rise of better made more focused PvP games the market is more competitive, as such it just a purging, like what happened to many WoW clones. No longer is the market niche' enough to limp on with some select loyal fan base, hence why older games like Mortal Online are trying to reinvent themselves, and games like Preptuum that hoped attract their niche's are just dying off, even EvE is going F2P.
More PvP games being made, simply means more of them will die off. Nature of the market.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
80% of the MMO's that shut down in 2018, were PvP focused. What was that about failing ratio again?
So 80% of hundreds or thousands of games? And even WoW now is trying to get back the PvP. Too little too late. The crowd found better games. Blizzard are still big, but they are no more the biggest. NCSoft went mobile - their best games are still L1 and L2. Albion is fine. Could be much better, but they have a problem with the marketing. EVE is fine. Bless Unleashed will be the next PvP MMORPG, and with Bandai Namco behind it, that may become a real deal. What is the next PvE instanced MMO with big publisher? Most big upcoming titles are PvP focused.
So there are too much idiots in the game marketing, or you are very wrong. In fact I saw the niche before 3 years. Even talked with some investors. But it is a hard task to make a new MMORPG, very hard. Anyway, the niche is big, and it is for PvP games.
The fact that you just said that you think "Hundreds of thousands of games" closed down in 2018, is why no one takes you seriously, and why no sane person would trust you with money to make an MMO on your own.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
There is no such thing as meaningful PvP in an MMO.
All PvP in a MMO is nothing more than pointless petty digital violence to other players, the only time PvP can have meaning, is in PvP campaigns where a Side can Win, and that winning has an impact.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
There is no such thing as meaningful PvP in an MMO.
All PvP in a MMO is nothing more than pointless petty digital violence to other players, the only time PvP can have meaning, is in PvP campaigns where a Side can Win, and that winning has an impact.
There is no such thing as meaningful PvP in an MMO.
All PvP in a MMO is nothing more than pointless petty digital violence to other players, the only time PvP can have meaning, is in PvP campaigns where a Side can Win, and that winning has an impact.
Not in themepark or generic games.
Absolutely applies.. unless there is a way to directly win, which most MMO's are devoid of, the PvP is simply a endless cycle of players killing each other for pointless slaughter purely for the sake of it.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
There is no such thing as meaningful PvP in an MMO.
All PvP in a MMO is nothing more than pointless petty digital violence to other players, the only time PvP can have meaning, is in PvP campaigns where a Side can Win, and that winning has an impact.
Play Sims then dude. I do not understand what is your problem. If you cannot PvP - do not. No one forces you. I doubt the indie devs make full loot games because PvP is nonsense. But who knows, maybe all indie devs smoke pots and stay high so there is not logic in their actions.
Personally I think there is not meaningful PvE, as to gather levels, gear and gold like a squirrel looks very stupid to me. But it seems many people like to act like squirrels.
Play Overwatch then Dude. I do not understand what is your problem, if you cannot PvE, - Do not. No one Forces you. I doubt the Indie Devs male massive PVE games, because PvE is nonsense.
Without a direct means to win, PvP is nothing but a bunch of sociopath squirrels killing each other purely for the sake of killing each other, that is the epitome of moronic.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Salem the Game is the best perma death, full loot, PvP game I've played. The game from an excitement factor is low, graphics are laughable, but the setting, mechanics and character development are all pretty involved. Then there is the perma death pvp aspect, but thats too much for some people so the game is avoided by "pvpers" because even they don't want true consequence.
There are plenty of Perma-Death, Full Loot Open World PvP Survival MMO's out there, like Ark, Rend, Rust, Day Z, etc... some doing quite well.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
There are plenty of Perma-Death, Full Loot Open World PvP Survival MMO's out there, like Ark, Rend, Rust, Day Z, etc... some doing quite well.
Are there actual perms death modes in them? I didn’t know that if true. Not that it matters though the progression is vastly different than an mmorpg which is the main issue I think.
There are plenty of Perma-Death, Full Loot Open World PvP Survival MMO's out there, like Ark, Rend, Rust, Day Z, etc... some doing quite well.
Are there actual perms death modes in them? I didn’t know that if true. Not that it matters though the progression is vastly different than an mmorpg which is the main issue I think.
I know Day Z is perma death by default.
Ark has a "Hard Core" mode, which is Perma Death.
No Clue about the others.. and to be honest, if it does not have Perma Death, than it's simply not a Survival Game in my mind, it's just another pointless PvP MMO.
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When it comes to PvE MMo's, even Wild Star which was considered a failure by PvE MMO Standards, still lasted 7 years.
I was just pointing out, that your attempt to justify development economically was invalid, there isn't really a demand for such games.
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Monetization? There's nothing you can buy that will make you stronger ingame.
What don't you like about the gameplay? The game is still in pre-alpha and plays fairly well for where it's at.
Have you played recently?
as for Albion, ya I can agree their marketing is trash.
More PvP games being made, simply means more of them will die off. Nature of the market.
There is no such thing as meaningful PvP in an MMO.
All PvP in a MMO is nothing more than pointless petty digital violence to other players, the only time PvP can have meaning, is in PvP campaigns where a Side can Win, and that winning has an impact.
Without a direct means to win, PvP is nothing but a bunch of sociopath squirrels killing each other purely for the sake of killing each other, that is the epitome of moronic.
Ark has a "Hard Core" mode, which is Perma Death.
No Clue about the others.. and to be honest, if it does not have Perma Death, than it's simply not a Survival Game in my mind, it's just another pointless PvP MMO.