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RYL $1 MILLION TOURNEMENT month 2 ruined by cheaters.
spafon
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Hi All,
I just want to give you a report on the $1mil tourney that PlanetWide Games is trying to run. Just as the first month was comprimised by cheating so has month 2.
I logged into the tournament server just after it went online on the first. I created a Char and did the quest to reach lvl 60. I followed the instructions to receive the 5mil gold and it didn't work. I rebooted and the tourney server was offline. I slept a few hours and tried again. I logged in and the char I had created was gone. Created a new one and did the quest, got lvl 60 and managed to receive my 5mil gold. But by this time cheaters had already figured a way to collect the 5 mil several times and there were characters with 30mil just a few hours after the game started. So within hours the game had been comprimised and unfair advantage had been taken by a few to insure that the honest player had no chance to win.
In addition to that there was quickly formed a guild named Empire that immeadiately began fame farming using alts with a group and now that guild has cheated there way into all the top spots and are uncatchable.
So in reality the future of this tournement is very doubtful. Honest players have no chance to win and it remains to be seen if PWG is going to continue with this farce or just do the honorable thing and admit that at this point in time there is no way to run a fair online competition. There are just too many dishonest people that will always find a way to cheat.
Planet Wide Games has tried to create an exciting high stakes venue to bring gaming to a new level. Unfortunately Cheaters have ruined that prospect and PWG must face the fact that this dream will not come to pass. They may rebutt all my observations and claim that there is no cheating and continue with the contest. But that ultimately will undermine and comprimise their honesty and reward cheaters and the dishonest for their efforts.
The only thing to do is admitt that slime balls have ruined the chances of there ever being an honest competition and call it all off.
Comments
It is impossible for players to "exploite" the 5 million gold. Receiving the gold is not character based. Someone cannot receive the gold more than once, since it is on an account-by-account option. Once the gold is received, regardless of what character they use, the option is no longer available.
All situations regarding possible fame farmers and exploiters is watched very carefully. I will not say there are no cheaters in the game, but some have been caught and dealt with while others are being watched with a close eye. The situation is very under control.
RYL Community Manager
RYL:Path of the Emperor
jenny@planetwidegames.com
http://www.ryl.net
i hate empire >_>
I have contacted PWG with a few, hopfully helpfu, suggestions to improve the integrity of the tourney.
I will keep you posted with the latest info I can garner from the players and PWG
We are aware of a lot of issues that some of the players have brought to our attention.
Fortunately, cheating is not as rampant as some may suggest. We do not take reports of cheating lightly, and quite a few accounts have been banned permanently because of these very issues.
We're not powerless, we are watching, and we react quickly to reports of cheating.
1 million US dollars is enough to make me want to cheat. Not that I play the game, I'm just saying, thats ALOT of money
hey guys...it's been a long time....so how was the tournament????....
dont u dare start playing MMORPG unless u want to be hooked
It's just after 11 pm right now, Monday night, and no GM's are on the tournament server. Even their web page for the "Moderator List" for "Tournament Staff Online" lists no one.
Pedaaala guild, which is Akkan and Human, is at middle camp on the 3rd map fame farming and inviting people to their parties, getting them to middle camp, then their buddies kill them.
No GM's to report it to. Screenshots don't really prove anything because it's hard to see who killed who. A GM needs to be there to observe, but, as usual, in spite of promises that there would be GM's on the tournament server 24/7, there are no staff on the tournament server.
The best suggestion was to report it to state gaming authorities.
I've never heard of a million dollar tournament so poorly run and more open to abuse.
Jenny2,
Last night, August 15, 11:00PM, there were two GMs online. Specifically, GM-DeEho was watching the group you have in question. Like I have said before, there are GMs in the tournament server 24/7. The "Moderator List" is flawed as it does not always show which GM is online. I do not know why it doesn't work accurately.
If a player takes screenshots and sends them to an In-house GM, it does in fact help. We specifically look for certain things and any screenshots taken help us compile our information in more detail.
Before taking any action against an individual suspected of cheating, we must have enough solid evidence before we go any further. Also keep in mind that we do not disclose our actions against suspected individuals for legal reasons. There is a lot that goes in "behind the scenes" that players are not aware of.
RYL Community Manager
RYL:Path of the Emperor
jenny@planetwidegames.com
http://www.ryl.net
If there was a GM online, why didn't he respond to global requests for him and the chat about their not being any GM's on to report what was going on?
One player even said "RYL1 is so much better" to see if he could get a response--nothing.
If the moderator list is flawed, fixit. Any webmaster could set it up in a few minutes, much less fix it--so what's your excuse? Incompetent staff?
Then some heads better roll, because you guys are screwing this one up big time.
By the way, you made a new rule that each month's winners are no longer allowed to play on the tournament server--so how come one of last month's winners is the head of one of the guilds on this months tournament server the GM was supposed to be watching?
GMs do not always respond via PM to accusations of cheating. If someone is cheating, they will immediately stop if a GM is present. We do a lot of watching in stealth so players are not aware they are under scrutiny. Just because a GM didn't respond, it doesn't mean they were not there.
If you have any screenshots of these incidents you wirtnessed, you can send them to x.factor@planetwidegames.com.
RYL Community Manager
RYL:Path of the Emperor
jenny@planetwidegames.com
http://www.ryl.net
This new rule was implemented after August 1st, which means it was okay for that individual to make the guild during that time. Now, however, they are no longer allowed to log in under their account. PWG will be deleting all accounts that qualify in the top 12 each month. This means two things: If a player made a guild, since he/she is no longer allowed to access his/her account, they cannot change authority in their guild, and they will stay as the guild leader. Second, the only way to change this is if they contact RLY staff through email or forum PMs. We will then remove them from the guild.
RYL Community Manager
RYL:Path of the Emperor
jenny@planetwidegames.com
http://www.ryl.net
You know the tournament server is dead when you see players from the top 12 in the tournament playing on one of the other servers.
The top players got a lot of fame in the first 2 weeks, some honestly, some by not-so-honest methods, then almost everyone else quit and there's no one there to kill anymore.
Another reason why the tournament should have been conducted like a real tournament without all the opportunities for cheating.
I don't blame the players for taking advantage of every opportunity--I blame the company for making it possible.
The PGA, for example, makes it virtually impossible, and certainly not worth the risk, for any golfer to attempt cheating in one of their tournaments. That's the way this tournament should have been conducted considering the high value of the prize.
If they've caught cheaters and kicked them out, as they claim, why not report it in the media to deter others?
Might even make CNN--that would be worth some publicity for the game.
Basically, they know they're in trouble on this one, and it may be one of the reasons Slappy was fired.
I would like to commend PWG for doing the only right thing and suspending the comprimised tournement.
It is a noble and honorable thing to admit it woun't work and that cheating has ruined it.
From my understanding of the Situation X.factor has been the key player in this decision and has proven to me that first and foremost PWG wanted to run a fair tournement. Thank You X.factor and PWG !
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theres suspending it not stopping it also why does everyone say "check the logs" or "everything should be in the logs" i mean how do you know if the database they are running logs every action. how do you even know it has "logs" it might show the transfer of data but i cant think of any type of database that logs information in english that is just so simple to read just from the data transfer.
They must have decent logging on the tournament server or they are breaking the law regarding contests/lotteriess. Law is in place so that people cant launder "illegal" money & to protect them from lawsuits (ex: someone suing them & saying contest is fixed).
They must have decent logging on the tournament server or they are breaking the law regarding contests/lotteriess. Law is in place so that people cant launder "illegal" money & to protect them from lawsuits (ex: someone suing them & saying contest is fixed).
if i am not insane i can tell you 100% that to log every event hit ect in a simple to read format is the largest bs i have ever heard as i said in my previouse post. also most mmorpgs dont have a system that lgos every action thats why there are gms but they may have a chat log. also it is not illegal and what you said is not even close to what im saying. so stop saying "cehck the logs" its not like they can just have the stuff faxed to them and there is again most likley no such system just like many other mmorpgs.
Did I say every hit? I didnt even say they should check the logs, Im explaining WHY they must have it. Also every hit is calculated by the server when dealing damage (if its done by the client then cheating will be rampant).
Also just make a program that extracts vital data from the database & make a nice spreadsheet/tabe/whatever out of it, I can code one in basic but it will be slow since c++ & newer languages are much more efficient.
(Vital data = who is killed by whom & how fast, then compare it to the "reasonable" rate. They should have numbers on whats mathematically possible. If the gain is higher then the reasonable rate that means a loophole or a variable they didnt count with).
Also you seem to think the law does not apply to online competitions? Why?
If you dont: So basically ANYONE can make a competition & promise 1m dollars then pay that to anyone (anyone being someone not even in the competition?) without any government involvement?
Government will be involved since taxes are probably involved (no idea how high its in the Usa since thats where this company is registered & thereby must obey us law(?).
Did I say every hit? I didnt even say they should check the logs, Im explaining WHY they must have it. Also every hit is calculated by the server when dealing damage (if its done by the client then cheating will be rampant).
Also just make a program that extracts vital data from the database & make a nice spreadsheet/tabe/whatever out of it, I can code one in basic but it will be slow since c++ & newer languages are much more efficient.
(Vital data = who is killed by whom & how fast, then compare it to the "reasonable" rate. They should have numbers on whats mathematically possible. If the gain is higher then the reasonable rate that means a loophole or a variable they didnt count with).
Also you seem to think the law does not apply to online competitions? Why?
If you dont: So basically ANYONE can make a competition & promise 1m dollars then pay that to anyone (anyone being someone not even in the competition?) without any government involvement?
Government will be involved since taxes are probably involved (no idea how high its in the Usa since thats where this company is registered & thereby must obey us law(?).
apparently you don't understand the complications of making something like that with a database you do not understand. no game has anything like that and many gmes have offered prizes but they are watching with gms and such.if they had such logs there would be no point in having gms.