Well, the defense to that claim has always (ironically) been: it's not gambling, because the items you win are worthless without the game creating/manipulating its scarcity to create/manipulate the item's value!
Which, quite frankly, means it's worse for consumers than gambling, but we let those folks do them and simply point to it as an example of how conditioned consumers have become.
If this was just about me complaining you may have had a point, in reality its quite a large group of people who do not approve of
...so it is about complaining and self-entitlement after all.
If you believe that concept of law is based on complaints of mentally deficient bunch, I think it speaks more for your own lack of incomprehension of simple concepts rather than mine.
I was wondering, wouldn't a simple warning label "includes real-money gambling" on the game box/download message solve the issue once and for all for lootboxes? I know it would change the PEGI rating, but other than that?
To be fair EA has the most uninspiring boxes in the industry - either items are bland (like in recent Star Wars Battlefront) or there is way too much useless crap in them (Mass Effect Andromeda).
I don't even understand - why would they defend these boxes? It's difficult to believe they are getting substantial income from the boxes.
fifa lootboxes of the last version make them more money than most of their other games combined.. literally. Its the one thing that keeps EA running.
Its quite sad to think about it.
This is basically the ENTIRE industry in a nutshell..>>>.deceptive practices. By now most i would hope realize there is no such thing as early access,it is just a phrase to sell crap so they don't have to do any testing or bug fixes or make sure the content actually works. ANY form of payment towards a developer/publisher that results in UNKNOWN results is a form of gambling,you are taking a gamble with your money in hopes of attaining the best results. as well these results are completely unknown right down to the %'s. If they actually told you had a 2% chance you'll likely never spend however if you have the illusion your running a 50% chance,you will spend.
Personally i think it is all garbage business practices,NOTHING in a cash shop is worth $5,these are not even real items,they are virtual items,another reason why online tcg's are such scum for charging the prices they do.
Usually items range from 2-15 in some made up "value"table but if your spending 2-5 all the way up to $100 that Trion was selling lootboxes for it becomes an all out scam,charging way more money than the items are worth,virtual items at that.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
No matter what you call it, it's still a "Lootbox".
....no matter what you call it, it doesn't matter.
If you don't like the price, product, business model or w/e, just move on. Not everything on the market must be tailored to you.
While certainly entertaining watching people being triggered going ape mode, it is quite scary at the same time.
Once the precedent is set by companies like EA, then everyone else follows suit and you're left with no games to play, because they all have loot boxes. Sometimes you just have to make a stand as the consumer and tell them to take a flying leap into a very deep lake.
What should the people who love lootboxes do? Because there are a lot of people. That's how this business is running. Why do you think your personal preference is more important than others and should surpass the individual choice?
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
Get neutered to improve the human race? That's my final answer.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
What should the people who love lootboxes do? Because there are a lot of people. That's how this business is running. Why do you think your personal preference is more important than others and should surpass the individual choice?
Answer: the people who love loot boxes should stop selling them.
What should the people who love lootboxes do? Because there are a lot of people. That's how this business is running. Why do you think your personal preference is more important than others and should surpass the individual choice?
They have video games at casinos. They're just more honest and straight to the point.
EDIT- In all seriousness, just because a certain portion of the population buys into a predatory scheme or system, it means nothing with regards to how society should treat it. See anti-vaxxers, predatory lending, etc..
Once the precedent is set by companies like EA, then everyone else follows suit and you're left with no games to play, because they all have loot boxes.
Once the precedent is set by companies like EA, then everyone else follows suit and you're left with no games to play, because they all have loot boxes.
...and that's fine, gaming isn't your right.
I don't even know what you are doing here. You are consistently wrong on literally everything and everyone here would be measurably happier without you.
Once the precedent is set by companies like EA, then everyone else follows suit and you're left with no games to play, because they all have loot boxes.
...and that's fine, gaming isn't your right.
And loot boxes aren't yours. Or anyone else's. This isn't speech.
@MadFrenchie ;Jesus mate. Putting buying skins from boxes of chance to endangering the lives of children on the same level? I won't even dignify that with an answer.
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
@MadFrenchie ;Jesus mate. Putting buying skins from boxes of chance to endangering the lives of children on the same level? I won't even dignify that with an answer.
You heard me.
The only people who love loot boxes should stop selling them to everyone else. And then they should fuck off. And then they should fuck off from wherever they fucked off to the first time because no one there will want them either.
@MadFrenchie ;Jesus mate. Putting buying skins from boxes of chance to endangering the lives of children on the same level? I won't even dignify that with an answer.
Quit clutching pearls and reread it.
The principle that holds has nothing to do with the severity. Snake oil salesman didn't kill people with useless ointments, either. Still a net loss for society.
@MadFrenchie ;Jesus mate. Putting buying skins from boxes of chance to endangering the lives of children on the same level? I won't even dignify that with an answer.
You heard me.
The only people who love loot boxes should stop selling them to everyone else. And then they should fuck off. And then they should fuck off from wherever they fucked off to the first time because no one there will want them either.
Oh I love it when things get nasty!
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
@MadFrenchie ;Jesus mate. Putting buying skins from boxes of chance to endangering the lives of children on the same level? I won't even dignify that with an answer.
Quit clutching pearls and reread it.
The principle that holds has nothing to do with the severity. Snake oil salesman didn't kill people with useless ointments, either. Still a net loss for society.
I did reread it. I also read your new post. I still fail to see the connection. And you know me mate, I am being sincere.
Constantine, The Console Poster
"One of the most difficult tasks men can perform, however much others may despise it, is the invention of good games and it cannot be done by men out of touch with their instinctive selves." - Carl Jung
@MadFrenchie ;Jesus mate. Putting buying skins from boxes of chance to endangering the lives of children on the same level? I won't even dignify that with an answer.
Quit clutching pearls and reread it.
The principle that holds has nothing to do with the severity. Snake oil salesman didn't kill people with useless ointments, either. Still a net loss for society.
I did reread it. I also read your new post. I still fail to see the connection. And you know me mate, I am being sincere.
Society has a rich and undisputed history of removing schemes or systems that are considered net losses to society. Children dying or not is not the measuring stick for the need for regulations.
Pretty much ALL regulatory actions are taken to do just that. The severity of the issue's effects may differ, but nowhere does that mean the general underlying societal issue being resolved is different.
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Which, quite frankly, means it's worse for consumers than gambling, but we let those folks do them and simply point to it as an example of how conditioned consumers have become.
If you believe that concept of law is based on complaints of mentally deficient bunch, I think it speaks more for your own lack of incomprehension of simple concepts rather than mine.
The only issue here is your self-entitlement - gaming is not your right that game developers must cater to.
I know it would change the PEGI rating, but other than that?
fifa lootboxes of the last version make them more money than most of their other games combined.. literally. Its the one thing that keeps EA running.
Its quite sad to think about it.
https://ashesofcreation.com/r/Y4U3PQCASUPJ5SED
By now most i would hope realize there is no such thing as early access,it is just a phrase to sell crap so they don't have to do any testing or bug fixes or make sure the content actually works.
ANY form of payment towards a developer/publisher that results in UNKNOWN results is a form of gambling,you are taking a gamble with your money in hopes of attaining the best results.
as well these results are completely unknown right down to the %'s.
If they actually told you had a 2% chance you'll likely never spend however if you have the illusion your running a 50% chance,you will spend.
Personally i think it is all garbage business practices,NOTHING in a cash shop is worth $5,these are not even real items,they are virtual items,another reason why online tcg's are such scum for charging the prices they do.
Usually items range from 2-15 in some made up "value"table but if your spending 2-5 all the way up to $100 that Trion was selling lootboxes for it becomes an all out scam,charging way more money than the items are worth,virtual items at that.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
EDIT- In all seriousness, just because a certain portion of the population buys into a predatory scheme or system, it means nothing with regards to how society should treat it. See anti-vaxxers, predatory lending, etc..
Once again, it speaks more about your capabilities, or rather their lack of...
@Aeander What?
@MadFrenchie ;Jesus mate. Putting buying skins from boxes of chance to endangering the lives of children on the same level? I won't even dignify that with an answer.
The only people who love loot boxes should stop selling them to everyone else. And then they should fuck off. And then they should fuck off from wherever they fucked off to the first time because no one there will want them either.
The principle that holds has nothing to do with the severity. Snake oil salesman didn't kill people with useless ointments, either. Still a net loss for society.
Devs, and any business, have the right to monetize their products as they see fit.
But here you stand, disgruntled because they don't sell and price the way you want, supporting any effort to take their very right away from them.
I can't even find words for such so simple-minded attitude...
Pretty much ALL regulatory actions are taken to do just that. The severity of the issue's effects may differ, but nowhere does that mean the general underlying societal issue being resolved is different.