Vanilla WoW had organic blacklists for ninja looters and at that time people who were viewed as toxic players. It happened organically and the information crossed faction lines.
One thing no one is mentioning is that streamers are IMMERSION BREAKING and vanilla was all about immersion. Being able to sit there for hours believing you are a dwarf or ______ in Azeroth was what it was all about at least for me.
People also shouldn't forget that streamers did not exist during vanilla so for the true originalists there is a possibility that it could possibly turn them away from the game permanently. Make no mistake that WoW classic is a trip down memory lane for a large percentage of the people who will be playing it but what % that is no one knows.
Have you watched any streamers play WoW classic? Many but not all are completely clueless about the game, they don't inform or educate just engage in disruptive dingbat behavior to get views so they can make more money and that is NOT the vanilla WoW experience at all.
Blizz has a tight rope to walk with this cause if they lean too far to one side they run the risk of losing the die-hard classic fans which will be their solid $15 a month income for years not the streamer "Nebula" fanboy who pays for one month just to please their idol/streamer/Thanos.
Not trying to sound rude or anything, but you will never recapture that feeling of original WoW. People have changed, technology has too. There might have not been streamers per se, but undoubtedly there where still elitist guilds, trolls and whatever else happening nowadays.
Having said that, unless you're intending to watch said streamers, I don't see how can they break your immersion. Global chat will still have trolls, memers and whatnot.
Why are you trying to impose your beliefs onto me as absolute truth? Who are you to tell me I can't recapture anything just because you can't? I played the tests, recreated my original characters as they were on day 1 in 2014 and it felt almost exactly the same. I'm sorry if you can't do the same but judging by how you injected memes into your post it's obvious you did not play WoW in 2004 because memes as they are now did not exist then. I know it may be hard to believe but there was a time when people didn't hide their idiocy behind words of others. Elite guilds most of the time had good reason to act elite and trolls were a lot more original. And what does technology have to do with playing a 15 year old game BECAUSE it's a 15 year old game? Immersion is a personal thing also, different things break immersion for different people and that is okay.
I'm not imposing anything mate, those ideologies that where apparent in the past, where like that because there where less people (and mmorpgs) back then. Now, you have people that have played a multitude of mmorpgs. That excitement of playing the "hardcore" version of WoW won't be as impactful as it was back then, because the majority already experienced what it offers.
Obviously some will still feel immersed, there's no denying that, I was speaking for the general audience that is going to play it again. It's hard to recapture that excitement from getting to know the game when you already did them beforehand (and also in other mmorpgs).
Consequently, memes have always existed in some manner. People always found ways to be/act as fools/trolls/whatever you want to call it. Elitist guilds always thought highly of themselves with loot rules, dps checkers and other crap. Good reasons my ass. They didn't tolerate failures similarly to what happens nowadays in other mmos. If you really think that won't happen now more than ever, you're just deluding yourself. There's ample of tools and addons that will be used and/or required by these "elite guilds" in this "classic" WoW, and that was my point about technology advancements.
With that said, I seem to have angered you with my response and my message wasn't meant to insult you or anything. If it did forgive me.
"You will never recapture that feeling of original WoW" - This is you imposing your belief because you are trying to convince me I can't do something which is the textbook definition of "imposition". Imposition: a thing that is imposed, in particular an unfair or unwelcome demand or burden
"I was speaking for the general audience" - Cool, didn't know a single person had the authority to do that.
"Elitist guilds always though highly of themselves with loot rules, dps checkers and other crap" - Here again you prove you did not play vanillla because all the things you label as "crap" were needed for structure and order. I was in two top progression guilds on my vanilla servers and both needed what you labeled "crap" and "elitist" to stay on top. How can you tell who is highest dps which is a need to know in some fights or maintain tank aggro without a dps checker? How do you distribute loot without dkp for raids you spent hundreds of hours in? You gonna roll for that binding of the windseeker with a guy who joined the guild last week?
"If you really think that won't happen now more than ever, you're just deluding yourself" - A little snippy with the last part there but I fully expect it to happen again because that's how it was back then and it worked so why not repeat it?
These people who are anti-streamer, who are doing stuff like this, sound so childish. They act as though the streamers create drama / problems while doing the exact same thing to the streamers. This add-on (Assuming it is even real, which I doubt it is) will just get people who are using it in trouble because this would be considered harassment.
I understand that people don't want to play on a Streamer server because of the potential impact they would have on that server, but I think it is enough to just leave it at that. The funny thing is that people who claimed that streamer servers would be overly populated have actually screwed themselves over in the process. Herod, the streamer free sanctuary server, is the most popular server right now by a ton...with potential excess of 10k+ ques according to Blizz. In their desperate attempt to avoid streamers, they created the main problem they wished to avoid on a server that doesn't have streamers on it.
Quite frankly I find people who actively hate streamers in such a loud way as people who are just jealous of the streamers.
I don't see what is even controversial about this.
A large group of people don't like another group of people and don't want to play with them. They declared they are going to one of the 20 WoW Classic servers and asked the people they don't like not to play on their server, and said if you insist on following them where you're not wanted that they won't play nice with you.
Now you're acting like spoiled children because somebody doesn't like you. "I'm telling mom and she's going to MAKE you play with me or you'll be grounded!"
"I hate streamers" is a very cringe thing to say... No one is forcing anyone to watch a person stream. And their supposed negative impact on games are mildly put exaggerated.
If it's true I hope that the people that done the addond and people using it will get permanently banned. As bullying should never be allowed anywhere.
People seriously need to drop the redneck "we don't like your kind round here" mentality.
First of all, it is that bad. Second, I hope everyone uses the app to get these annoying streamer asses out of here. Besides sucking up to companies, they do nothing worthwhile.
It's not bullying to not like something, get the fuck over it. I don't like onions, am I bullying them?
The redneck, which is hate speech by the way, except rednecks don't give a shit or get offended by being called that, aren't wrong in this case. Your bullshit "we have to accept everyone" needs to go away.
You do not get a ribbon for showing up People are not always going to like you, get over it Labeling opinions under racist terms does nothing to further your points Some times, you just have to punch someone in the face, get used to it, its called life.
Damn dude, you are clearly angry at the world.
What you are doing is being prejudice, you aren't bullying (That's 1 person), you aren't disliking (That's when you personally avoid something with little or no impact to others). There's a difference and a balance and you tipped the scale. You can say something like "I don't like Ninja, because of X". That's a logical statement. What you are saying is ALL streamers aren't worthwhile, which isn't truth or fact.
You can't bully an inanimate object but it was a cute argument.
Life isn't fair, you got that right, but you aren't making it any better. So what worthwhile part do you play? Since streamers are such a waste of life what do you do that makes you any better? Answer. Nothing. We are all human beings, everyone deserves respect. Not liking someone doesn't give you the right to disrespect, it gives you the right to avoid it.
If you feel it's your god given right to punch people in the face, you got some bigger issues none of us here can tackle.
Damn dude, No, I am not. You must be very sensitive you think that. That is your problem, not mine. Sucks to be you.
Yes, I am prejudice, I don't like streamers nor the shit they bring to games. I would have thought that was pretty obvious. But I guess "hashbrick" isn't just a forum nick huh? Of course, I am better, I am me, and I care about me more than I do anyone else, save my children. I expect everyone else's opinion will be biased towards themselves if not, you have deeper issues than we can tackle here.
Nor can I bully someone across the internet so my example is just as relevant as the example I was speaking too. So yeah, cute argument. If words affect you that much, grow up and get a thicker skin, I do not care about your feelings.
It is if you want to talk shit, in person and I punch you in the face, again, sucks to be you. If you can't defend yourself, then you have options. Shut up, call PD, etc. However, if I feel like you have offered me insult and we are face to face, guess what you win? yeah.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Valid reasons in my humble opinion, but this addon can't be something Blizzard is just gonna let happen, right?
I would imagine not.
Nah, this is likely something that would get users of it / the creator especially of it, banned from the game.
Sadly, I hope it happens it would be sool cool to not have to read streamer trash spam and BS all the time.
Just so you know: There are plenty of big streamers on live servers in modern day WoW that don't have this problem. The reason it is happening on Classic beta servers is just due to it being a bit of a meme right now. It will fade rather quickly after launch. Most people doing it aren't even watching streams.
So the degenerates who would be targetted with this addon (their chat removed and group mechanics removed) from the decent people...these beta males are crying that it's harassment now? And blacklist mods have always been a "you download the mod and collectively you become a bigger group." Your decisions doesn't effect the game client of the posterchild only their ability to chat to you or group with you.
I think the sky is pink with white polka dots now and I still identify as an Apache Attack Helicopter.
EDIT: And it's pretty stupid to think Blizzard would get rid of blacklist mods. We've had them since TBC. You're only hearing about it now because some fool guilds trying to troll to get more people to fight against streamers and stream snipe them. I figure some of you guys are of the victim variety so I'll put it plainly.
It'll be open season soon for the hunters and the streamers will be the pretty little does. That what the guilds are propping up. Even if Blizzard magically removes all blacklist mods the idea is pretty sent in stone to snipe/kill all streamers. And in doing so "you're fighting the good fight."
These elitists think they own the game now? Not only their actions can be banned for breaking ToS, they are effectively wasting people's money invested in the game by making it unplayable for them.
When they get banned, can they be shamed publicly? At least the rest of the internet would get a good laugh at their failed bullying.
They had the opportunity to set their own rules on pirated servers. They want Official classic servers? then play for Blizzards rules.
These elitists think they own the game now? Since not only their actions can be banned for breaking ToS, they are effectively wasting people's money invested on the game.
When they get banned, can they be shamed publicly? At least the rest of the internet would get a good laugh.
Aww you're cute lol. I didn't even have to wait 5 minutes and someone came up and justified everything I wrote!
So the degenerates who would be targetted with this addon (their chat removed and group mechanics removed) from the decent people...these beta males are crying that it's harassment now? And blacklist mods have always been a "you download the mod and collectively you become a bigger group." Your decisions doesn't effect the game client of the posterchild only their ability to chat to you or group with you.
I think the sky is pink with white polka dots now and I still identify as an Apache Attack Helicopter.
EDIT: And it's pretty stupid to think Blizzard would get rid of blacklist mods. We've had them since TBC. You're only hearing about it now because some fool guilds trying to troll to get more people to fight against streamers and stream snipe them. I figure some of you guys are of the victim variety so I'll put it plainly.
It'll be open season soon for the hunters and the streamers will be the pretty little does. That what the guilds are propping up. Even if Blizzard magically removes all blacklist mods the idea is pretty sent in stone to snipe/kill all streamers. And in doing so "you're fighting the good fight."
This is the exact reason the hate towards streamers sounds like it comes from jealousy and pettyness. Most of the people, if not all the people hating on streamers probably watch them themselves or they watch youtube. Got news for you, if you want to hate on streamers, go right ahead, but you look rather hypocritical when you go and watch the latest youtube video on WoW classic immediately after posting it. If these same people could preach what they say and avoid all youtube and twitch content from gaming content creators then more power to them, but I doubt most of them would ever do that. Most of the big streamers have even gone out of their way to all pile onto one server to keep the others "clean".
^ And that's why stream sniping will be huge for WoW Classic.
People will be out for blood and tears. Who knows...maybe one of the streamers will get big by being everyone's bounty haha.
I probably shouldn't say this because the degenerate streamers are probably watching this...but there used to be entire twitch groups and channels setup with gold bounties to snipe streamers back in the day. It used to be a big thing until everyone just got bored with WoW.
These elitists think they own the game now? Since not only their actions can be banned for breaking ToS, they are effectively wasting people's money invested on the game.
When they get banned, can they be shamed publicly? At least the rest of the internet would get a good laugh.
Aww you're cute lol. I didn't even have to wait 5 minutes and someone came up and justified everything I wrote!
go make your own rules on a pirated server. I personally don't care about streaming, but if anyone ever wanted to do it on classic, nobody aside from Blizzard can say otherwise.
These elitists think they own the game now? Since not only their actions can be banned for breaking ToS, they are effectively wasting people's money invested on the game.
When they get banned, can they be shamed publicly? At least the rest of the internet would get a good laugh.
Aww you're cute lol. I didn't even have to wait 5 minutes and someone came up and justified everything I wrote!
go make your own rules on a pirated server. I personally don't care about streaming, but if anyone ever wanted to do it on classic, nobody aside from Blizzard can say otherwise.
And if they do ban 'em right! Lol.
Yuck.
Blacklist mods have been providing the punishment for a very long time just so you know. Your crazy reporting power and all that other baggage just didn't cut it.
There is no use in arguing with someone who thinks they are above everyone else and calling people names. People are entitled to their opinion about streamers. I guess in 2019 it is perfectly fine to isolate, alienate, and harass people based on a group of people they belong to as long as it has nothing to do with gender / race / political affiliation.
Thinking from these kids' perspective made me laugh just now. Streamers would all freak out "how did I die again?" "Why are they targetting me?" And cry to their stream, then their stream would show them love, and they would die again...building that streaming community as one of their own being the wounded animal.
That's pretty poetic lol. I'm seeing it now. We'd set up the bounties on the streamers and it would only help build more like them into a community. *Wipes some water from eyes.*
EDIT: But hey they were getting paid to do it all so whatever happens to them...happens to em. Part of the business.
At the core of the issue, this has nothing to do with streaming. It has everything to do with censorship.
If someone abides by the terms of service of the game and purchase and subscribe to it, they are investing money on the service. If someone else, who isn't even an employee of said game, starts pseudo banning people from the server using a third party software then that is a problem.
Everything begins with the first step. If these people started pseudo banning streamers now because they don't like them, who will be their next target? PvE players?, casuals? solo players? etc...
These elitists think they own the game now? Since not only their actions can be banned for breaking ToS, they are effectively wasting people's money invested on the game.
When they get banned, can they be shamed publicly? At least the rest of the internet would get a good laugh.
Aww you're cute lol. I didn't even have to wait 5 minutes and someone came up and justified everything I wrote!
go make your own rules on a pirated server. I personally don't care about streaming, but if anyone ever wanted to do it on classic, nobody aside from Blizzard can say otherwise.
No one is telling you that you can't stream. They're telling you that they don't like you and would prefer if you stayed away from them. If you refuse to play on one of the other 19 servers, then they're not going to play nice with you.
These elitists think they own the game now? Since not only their actions can be banned for breaking ToS, they are effectively wasting people's money invested on the game.
When they get banned, can they be shamed publicly? At least the rest of the internet would get a good laugh.
Aww you're cute lol. I didn't even have to wait 5 minutes and someone came up and justified everything I wrote!
go make your own rules on a pirated server. I personally don't care about streaming, but if anyone ever wanted to do it on classic, nobody aside from Blizzard can say otherwise.
No one is telling you that you can't stream. They're telling you that they don't like you and would prefer if you stayed away from them. If you refuse to play on one of the other 19 servers, then they're not going to play nice with you.
So you are going to discriminate one potential person based on the actions of a few others in that group? How very considerate of the WoW classic community that is. And yes, a tool like this alleged blacklisting tool could potentially be used against non-streamers. Hell, if a tool like this is allowed to exist then a streamer can get a tool that is similar for stream snipers and black listing them. When would that end?
^ Not gonna touch that baggage. The "what-ifs" game. Yuck.
I will say this though. Stream sniping is used by bounty hunters to talk about using a streamer's stream to snipe them. However in streaming "stream sniping" is one streamer using people or doing it themselves, and getting people to leave one stream and join theirs. I'm not sure which version of the word originated first. I'm guessing the bounty hunter style approach because it makes more linear sense.
These elitists think they own the game now? Since not only their actions can be banned for breaking ToS, they are effectively wasting people's money invested on the game.
When they get banned, can they be shamed publicly? At least the rest of the internet would get a good laugh.
Aww you're cute lol. I didn't even have to wait 5 minutes and someone came up and justified everything I wrote!
go make your own rules on a pirated server. I personally don't care about streaming, but if anyone ever wanted to do it on classic, nobody aside from Blizzard can say otherwise.
No one is telling you that you can't stream. They're telling you that they don't like you and would prefer if you stayed away from them. If you refuse to play on one of the other 19 servers, then they're not going to play nice with you.
So you are going to discriminate one potential person based on the actions of a few others in that group? How very considerate of the WoW classic community that is. And yes, a tool like this alleged blacklisting tool could potentially be used against non-streamers. Hell, if a tool like this is allowed to exist then a streamer can get a tool that is similar for stream snipers and black listing them. When would that end?
Streamers trying to get people blacklisted has always happened. It literally happens in the video I linked you with a streamer raging at a guild leader demanding he kick people for killing him. They brag about their ability to ruin other people's gaming experience. It's part of why a growing number of people want nothing to do with mega streamers and don't even want to share a server with them.
No one is telling you that you can't stream. They're telling you that they don't like you and would prefer if you stayed away from them. If you refuse to play on one of the other 19 servers, then they're not going to play nice with you.
These elitists think they own the game now? Since not only their actions can be banned for breaking ToS, they are effectively wasting people's money invested on the game.
When they get banned, can they be shamed publicly? At least the rest of the internet would get a good laugh.
Aww you're cute lol. I didn't even have to wait 5 minutes and someone came up and justified everything I wrote!
go make your own rules on a pirated server. I personally don't care about streaming, but if anyone ever wanted to do it on classic, nobody aside from Blizzard can say otherwise.
No one is telling you that you can't stream. They're telling you that they don't like you and would prefer if you stayed away from them. If you refuse to play on one of the other 19 servers, then they're not going to play nice with you.
So you are going to discriminate one potential person based on the actions of a few others in that group? How very considerate of the WoW classic community that is. And yes, a tool like this alleged blacklisting tool could potentially be used against non-streamers. Hell, if a tool like this is allowed to exist then a streamer can get a tool that is similar for stream snipers and black listing them. When would that end?
Streamers trying to get people blacklisted has always happened. It literally happens in the video I linked you with a streamer raging at a guild leader demanding he kick people for killing him. They brag about their ability to ruin other people's gaming experience. It's part of why a growing number of people want nothing to do with mega streamers and don't even want to share a server with them.
I am sure it did happen in that video, but it is pretty easy to point out one or two examples of something and claim that represents everyone. The number of people who want nothing to do with streamers that actually follow through on that claim is rather small. Streaming has only grown over time, so if anything, it is the opposite of what you are saying.
Comments
however some streamers nah...most of them are annoying , cant stand to watch any of the streams of Asmon , Baj or any of those "big" streamers.
The worse is the minions that follow them
"If you really think that won't happen now more than ever, you're just deluding yourself" - A little snippy with the last part there but I fully expect it to happen again because that's how it was back then and it worked so why not repeat it?
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
A large group of people don't like another group of people and don't want to play with them. They declared they are going to one of the 20 WoW Classic servers and asked the people they don't like not to play on their server, and said if you insist on following them where you're not wanted that they won't play nice with you.
Now you're acting like spoiled children because somebody doesn't like you. "I'm telling mom and she's going to MAKE you play with me or you'll be grounded!"
Pike off.
Yes, I am prejudice, I don't like streamers nor the shit they bring to games. I would have thought that was pretty obvious. But I guess "hashbrick" isn't just a forum nick huh? Of course, I am better, I am me, and I care about me more than I do anyone else, save my children. I expect everyone else's opinion will be biased towards themselves if not, you have deeper issues than we can tackle here.
Nor can I bully someone across the internet so my example is just as relevant as the example I was speaking too. So yeah, cute argument. If words affect you that much, grow up and get a thicker skin, I do not care about your feelings.
It is if you want to talk shit, in person and I punch you in the face, again, sucks to be you. If you can't defend yourself, then you have options. Shut up, call PD, etc. However, if I feel like you have offered me insult and we are face to face, guess what you win? yeah.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
When they get banned, can they be shamed publicly? At least the rest of the internet would get a good laugh at their failed bullying.
They had the opportunity to set their own rules on pirated servers. They want Official classic servers? then play for Blizzards rules.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7anToIEy-oE