Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Some servers will remain very popular while others will not.
5 EU servers are showing declining population:
meanwhile US realms while declining are more populated than EU realms:
You have to remember that players initially play same game far more hours/day than they'd play long term. Assuming that those numbers are about players connecting to the server, then NA must have gained active players to keep the population stable as that initial rush passes.
I do believe the population will drop, but honestly I'm at the moment surprised it's not dropping faster.
It is dropping fast though - after the 1st month, how many stay subbed?
Also WoW classic has a major issue with lacking content at end game - so as more players level up - more will leave as they hit endgame.
So the rate of players leaving is likely to increase.
I get what you're saying but the drop applies to almost every single MMO ever released with the possible exception of, ironically, WOW the first time around just because it kind of became a pop culture phenomenon back in those pre-FB, Pre-twitter days. Popular TV shows at the time like Stargate even featured it prominently in their dialogue. That kind of cross promotion was pretty damn rare back then and only happened because its existence was known in mainstream pop culture circles that had not clue about any other game with the possible exception of Pong.
And you're wrong. The drop will happen at the two month mark not 1 month because it's really hard to find 1 month WOW game time cards and the 2 month ones are everywhere
I think you're also underestimating just how many are playing it for the first time. If you spend any time at all reading the topics and replies in the Classic Reddit it becomes pretty obvious that there is a lot more happening here than just old timers on a nostalgia trip. Tons of new players playing it.
Define tons.
There are a lot more old timers playing WoW classic than brand new players.
So it's mostly nostalgia trip, with some new players getting their toes wet and some tourists dropping in to see what all the hoopla is about.
Also dont forget the retail players trolling classic as well.
All in all I think your tons of new players is exaggerated
If there was really an influx of new players - it would be growing still but this is not happening.
And you wonder why people come at you on this board. Just let it go dude, you were wrong, you are wrong, and you will continue to be wrong. There are plenty of MMORPG players out there who WANT OLD SCHOOL. Just because you and the masses like this new shit does not make you right. Old school MMO is still in demand. It may be nostalgia for some, but not close to most as you would have people believe. Stop pretending like you know everything, you DO NOT.
To presume you know why we are enjoying this is arrogant beyond belief.
Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Some servers will remain very popular while others will not.
5 EU servers are showing declining population:
meanwhile US realms while declining are more populated than EU realms:
You have to remember that players initially play same game far more hours/day than they'd play long term. Assuming that those numbers are about players connecting to the server, then NA must have gained active players to keep the population stable as that initial rush passes.
I do believe the population will drop, but honestly I'm at the moment surprised it's not dropping faster.
It is dropping fast though - after the 1st month, how many stay subbed?
Also WoW classic has a major issue with lacking content at end game - so as more players level up - more will leave as they hit endgame.
So the rate of players leaving is likely to increase.
I get what you're saying but the drop applies to almost every single MMO ever released with the possible exception of, ironically, WOW the first time around just because it kind of became a pop culture phenomenon back in those pre-FB, Pre-twitter days. Popular TV shows at the time like Stargate even featured it prominently in their dialogue. That kind of cross promotion was pretty damn rare back then and only happened because its existence was known in mainstream pop culture circles that had not clue about any other game with the possible exception of Pong.
And you're wrong. The drop will happen at the two month mark not 1 month because it's really hard to find 1 month WOW game time cards and the 2 month ones are everywhere
I think you're also underestimating just how many are playing it for the first time. If you spend any time at all reading the topics and replies in the Classic Reddit it becomes pretty obvious that there is a lot more happening here than just old timers on a nostalgia trip. Tons of new players playing it.
Define tons.
There are a lot more old timers playing WoW classic than brand new players.
So it's mostly nostalgia trip, with some new players getting their toes wet and some tourists dropping in to see what all the hoopla is about.
Also dont forget the retail players trolling classic as well.
All in all I think your tons of new players is exaggerated
If there was really an influx of new players - it would be growing still but this is not happening.
And you wonder why people come at you on this board. Just let it go dude, you were wrong, you are wrong, and you will continue to be wrong. There are plenty of MMORPG players out there who WANT OLD SCHOOL. Just because you and the masses like this new shit does not make you right. Old school MMO is still in demand. It may be nostalgia for some, but not close to most as you would have people believe. Stop pretending like you know everything, you DO NOT.
To presume you know why we are enjoying this is arrogant beyond belief.
Hard data too much to handle?
Hahahah
Also you are forgetting that I am an old school player.
I backed Pantheon, I play project 99
My top 5 favorite mmos are EQ1, UO, AC, DAoC and SWG.
I am showing you actual data - you just have personal axe to grind with me and its hillarious.
My axe is sharpened by your condescending arrogance on these forums. You have always told us we don't really want old school mechanics, it is just nostalgia. This is like me telling you that you don't really want pepperoni on your pizza. Who TF am I to tell you that? You cannot tell people what they want in gaming, it is absurd, it is arrogant, and it is what you do on these forums any time this discussion comes up. So yes, I have an axe to grind with you, because you continue to post this crap.
And don't pretend for a second you are some old school MMO champion because virtually everyone on this forum knows better.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Some servers will remain very popular while others will not.
5 EU servers are showing declining population:
meanwhile US realms while declining are more populated than EU realms:
You have to remember that players initially play same game far more hours/day than they'd play long term. Assuming that those numbers are about players connecting to the server, then NA must have gained active players to keep the population stable as that initial rush passes.
I do believe the population will drop, but honestly I'm at the moment surprised it's not dropping faster.
It is dropping fast though - after the 1st month, how many stay subbed?
Also WoW classic has a major issue with lacking content at end game - so as more players level up - more will leave as they hit endgame.
So the rate of players leaving is likely to increase.
Is dropping fast? 3 servers on EU going from high to medium and medium to low = dropping fast? Is your math that bad?
Anyway , reason why in the first week we saw higher que's is because every person and their mother, pushed their normal play time higher then usual and/or took days off from work, etc. to play Classic.
Sure, numbers will go down , in-time ( read that well ), but saying it is dropping fast as we speak and giving us twitch numbers as proof ( lol ) , makes you no better then the one giving us 4.5 mil active subs based on chars created. At least that guy with 4.5 mil takes info from in-game and is a bit more trustful then you and your ..twitch numbers ( lol again ).
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Nice strawman there.
What are you talking about? I am literally mocking actual comments made on this very forum by people. Strawman is to change the premise of one's argument....to say I am straw-manning you would have to know exactly whose argument I am addressing, and show how I changed the premise of it. Try again.
My axe is sharpened by your condescending arrogance on these forums. You have always told us we don't really want old school mechanics, it is just nostalgia. This is like me telling you that you don't really want pepperoni on your pizza. Who TF am I to tell you that? You cannot tell people what they want in gaming, it is absurd, it is arrogant, and it is what you do on these forums any time this discussion comes up. So yes, I have an axe to grind with you, because you continue to post this crap.
And don't pretend for a second you are some old school MMO champion because virtually everyone on this forum knows better.
Well thank you for at least admiging that your issue with me is personal.
But you are seriously twisting my words into something I have never stated.
I love old school mechanics - I played EQ1 for 7 years.
I still play P99.
WoW for me was a casual mmorpg when it launched, I never considered it hard core nor old school, to me wow in 2004 was a 2nd generation mmorpg made for masses who thought that gen1 games (eq1,UO,AC, DAoC, SWG) were not for them.
I always viewed WoW as casualized and more polished version of EQ1.
I have never claimed to be a champion for anything or anyone - what anyone on this forum thinks of me is their own doing.
Also please stop to appeal to masses with this "everyone on this forum knows better crap" - this is libel pure and simple.
What I have said of nostalgia is a well established psychological phenomenon - people often remember past experiences in much more positive light - often when trying to repeat those in present they dont experience the same satisfaction anymore.
That is what I have said - but you have taken this very personal for some odd reason.
You already know from the past I don't care enough about you to go back and find every single time you said something like this....this time is no different. You keep doing you DMKano….I will keep calling out your bs.
this is a link to a really fun game i play called Nodiatis, it's a 2D multiplayer online RPG, i've played it for like.... 10 years? it's free to play with the option to pay for things/no download necessary/can be played on your phone!! and if you click that link to make an account we both get benefits rather than you just making one by default. please at least give it a try! i want to increase the population of the game and have more friends to play with!!! good luck and have fun!
I have played Nodiatis but am curious why you posted it in a WoW link when there are so many other links where you can post this lol......
this is a link to a really fun game i play called Nodiatis, it's a 2D multiplayer online RPG, i've played it for like.... 10 years? it's free to play with the option to pay for things/no download necessary/can be played on your phone!! and if you click that link to make an account we both get benefits rather than you just making one by default. please at least give it a try! i want to increase the population of the game and have more friends to play with!!! good luck and have fun!
I have played Nodiatis but am curious why you posted it in a WoW link when there are so many other links where you can post this lol......
Im thinking its because he's a paid shill. Look at the post history.
MMORPG.com has become flooded with these posts lately. I guess they dont care about this stuff anymore.
These are the threads that bring the posts of people talking ill of WoW classic and its apparent appeal. How do you even think this is accurate in any shape or form? Good for a laugh tho.
These are the threads that bring the posts of people talking ill of WoW classic and its apparent appeal. How do you even think this is accurate in any shape or form? Good for a laugh tho.
Sounds like you've skimmed over the thread and are completely missing the context.
WoW classic - every one agreed well before launch that initially - lots of people will flock to it - which is what happened.
So the initial appeal was never questioned - long term appeal is what - 1 month, 3months, 6 months post launch is what is up for discussion.
As far as talking "ill of WoW classic" - where exactly are people talking ill about it? Unless you are one of those folks that is interpreting stuff like declining twitch interest as = ill. It's not.
Talking ill about WoW classic would be stuff like - how it's boring, performs bad, has bad mechanics etc... I haven't seen anyone talk ill about it - this entire thread is about population, retention - not quality of the game.
No, I was reffering to the people on your case about the twitch numbers actually. I used the words "talking ill" to refer to the way your posting from there point of view. Since its negative = talking ill
When someone posts a obvious lie, to benifit the game, the people will come with stuff to say against it. And yes, i read the posts, not skimmed and made a outlandish statement.
Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Some servers will remain very popular while others will not.
5 EU servers are showing declining population:
meanwhile US realms while declining are more populated than EU realms:
You have to remember that players initially play same game far more hours/day than they'd play long term. Assuming that those numbers are about players connecting to the server, then NA must have gained active players to keep the population stable as that initial rush passes.
I do believe the population will drop, but honestly I'm at the moment surprised it's not dropping faster.
It is dropping fast though - after the 1st month, how many stay subbed?
Also WoW classic has a major issue with lacking content at end game - so as more players level up - more will leave as they hit endgame.
So the rate of players leaving is likely to increase.
Is dropping fast? 3 servers on EU going from high to medium and medium to low = dropping fast? Is your math that bad?
Anyway , reason why in the first week we saw higher que's is because every person and their mother, pushed their normal play time higher then usual and/or took days off from work, etc. to play Classic.
Sure, numbers will go down , in-time ( read that well ), but saying it is dropping fast as we speak and giving us twitch numbers as proof ( lol ) , makes you no better then the one giving us 4.5 mil active subs based on chars created. At least that guy with 4.5 mil takes info from in-game and is a bit more trustful then you and your ..twitch numbers ( lol again ).
You read again - I am not claiming that twitch numbers show player numbers.
I clearly said that WoW is rapidly losing popularity on twitch and that usually reflects waning interest in game.
Also I said that WoW classic is not growing anymore as they stopped adding half a dozen servers every week.
Again please read what I am saying carefully before coming up with this bullshit conclusion where I am equating twitch views with subscription numbers - I have never said this- please go read again.
The whole twisting of what I am actually saying into something I never claimed is laughable.
Here so that there is no mistaking what I have actually said - made it easy for you - highlighted:
Ok clearly I am talking about twitch popularity, hello?
"It is dropping fast though - after the 1st month, how many stay subbed?" . This is a line which you are not talking about "twitch dropping popularity" . C'mon man! You forget your own words?
And who's talking about Classic growing in the same way as in the first 2 weeks!? You are the one who keeps adding ..random "data" into threads about Classic. Of course Classic will not grow higher then is now, but "It is dropping fast" , based on twitch ( yup, you said it, not me ) , and because 3 servers on EU and 2(?) on US have dropped a.."rank" in population? Don't think so..
Classic will drop in population, this at least I agree with you. But not "fast", nor "rapidly". The servers in EU are almost identical in terms of population since first week and I already explained you why first week we saw bigger que's then we have now.
I'll also agree with you that after first month, we will see some drop in population, but that will also be the moment when we will find if is "fast" , "rapidly" or .. "decent" drop in population.
I will be here on the 28th this month, with a print of the servers! We will see then..
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
It also seems people here think I hate WoW cause i have posted several times in threads like this basically downvoting what is said about classic being the best mmo in the last decade or how classic is what mmos should be. However I have a large spot for WoW in my heart. Me and my daughter spent many many evenings lost in Azeroth together. Times where we just bonded, laughed, ganked!
Most people will laugh and think i am an idiot for doing so, but my most recent addition to my family (now 11 month old) is actually named after a WoW character. Not just because i am a fan, but because of the amazing impact WoW had between me and my other child. We could have bonded over other things, but this just happened to one.
After saying this, I still will call a spade a spade, no matter how much I love it.
People are jumping
to all kinds of conclusions in something that’s has so many factors it's
ridiculous. Infact so many it may be on
the top five things in life ever to predict and factor all the variables…..
Then digging into the minds and soles of peoples behavior.
Then you have the usual negative posters trying to degrade others with "Fake News Facts". Then trying to cover their tracks.... It's kind of fun to watch
Anymore than an
opinion is such a waist of time.
So here in my
opinion, People love and miss this game and it's style.... That's what comes from all of this.... My opinion !
Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Nice strawman there.
What are you talking about? I am literally mocking actual comments made on this very forum by people. Strawman is to change the premise of one's argument....to say I am straw-manning you would have to know exactly whose argument I am addressing, and show how I changed the premise of it. Try again.
Made my point, you are arguing against points made in other threads in this forum, but almost no one has stated Classic has or will fail IN THIS THREAD, hence a strawman.
Even @DMKano stated Classic is a 100% success....but is arguing we can expect to see a fairly rapid falloff.
I haven't seen any attempt from you to debate this point, or the OPs assertion that there are in fact 4.5M active players, but you have hit "WTF" without comment on almost any post which is contrary.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Nice strawman there.
What are you talking about? I am literally mocking actual comments made on this very forum by people. Strawman is to change the premise of one's argument....to say I am straw-manning you would have to know exactly whose argument I am addressing, and show how I changed the premise of it. Try again.
Made my point, you are arguing against points made in other threads in this forum, but almost no one has stated Classic has or will fail IN THIS THREAD, hence a strawman.
Even @DMKano stated Classic is a 100% success....but is arguing we can expect to see a fairly rapid falloff.
I haven't seen any attempt from you to debate this point, or the OPs assertion that there are in fact 4.5M active players, but you have hit "WTF" without comment on almost any post which is contrary.
Your forum PVP skills could use a bit of honing.
You speak of DMKano, as if he's someone of importance.
Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Nice strawman there.
What are you talking about? I am literally mocking actual comments made on this very forum by people. Strawman is to change the premise of one's argument....to say I am straw-manning you would have to know exactly whose argument I am addressing, and show how I changed the premise of it. Try again.
Made my point, you are arguing against points made in other threads in this forum, but almost no one has stated Classic has or will fail IN THIS THREAD, hence a strawman.
Even @DMKano stated Classic is a 100% success....but is arguing we can expect to see a fairly rapid falloff.
I haven't seen any attempt from you to debate this point, or the OPs assertion that there are in fact 4.5M active players, but you have hit "WTF" without comment on almost any post which is contrary.
Your forum PVP skills could use a bit of honing.
You speak of DMKano, as if he's someone of importance.
He's someone whose opinion I respect, no value judgements on his importance.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
People are jumping
to all kinds of conclusions in something that’s has so many factors it's
ridiculous. Infact so many it may be on
the top five things in life ever to predict and factor all the variables…..
Then digging into the minds and soles of peoples behavior.
Then you have the usual negative posters trying to degrade others with "Fake News Facts". Then trying to cover their tracks.... It's kind of fun to watch
Anymore than an
opinion is such a waist of time.
So here in my
opinion, People love and miss this game and it's style.... That's what comes from all of this.... My opinion !
Here on mmorpg.com, and elsewhere, I'm seeing some of the same names whom, for a long time insisted "Give it up. Blizzard will never launch a Classic Server".
Then, when Blizzard announced Classic, said "It will never work. No one wants to play old, crappy WoW. Muh nostalgia goggles".
Now that it's launched and has been very popular, they're saying "It won't last", and "it's rapidly losing players", "it's dying", "it's just people who are curious what all the fuss is about", etc. etc.
Give it another few months and they'll have another way to tell everyone how WoW Classic isn't going to last and is dying. And something else after that. And then again after that... ad nauseum.
It's a lot of wishful thinking by people whom - for reasons probably related to being hollow, miserable people who hate when others are happy - have trouble just letting others enjoy what they want to enjoy. They have to constantly crap all over it.
Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Nice strawman there.
What are you talking about? I am literally mocking actual comments made on this very forum by people. Strawman is to change the premise of one's argument....to say I am straw-manning you would have to know exactly whose argument I am addressing, and show how I changed the premise of it. Try again.
Made my point, you are arguing against points made in other threads in this forum, but almost no one has stated Classic has or will fail IN THIS THREAD, hence a strawman.
Even @DMKano stated Classic is a 100% success....but is arguing we can expect to see a fairly rapid falloff.
I haven't seen any attempt from you to debate this point, or the OPs assertion that there are in fact 4.5M active players, but you have hit "WTF" without comment on almost any post which is contrary.
Your forum PVP skills could use a bit of honing.
The fact you actually said "forum pvp" speaks volumes. DMKano can stick up for himself, no need to kiss his feet.
Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Nice strawman there.
What are you talking about? I am literally mocking actual comments made on this very forum by people. Strawman is to change the premise of one's argument....to say I am straw-manning you would have to know exactly whose argument I am addressing, and show how I changed the premise of it. Try again.
Made my point, you are arguing against points made in other threads in this forum, but almost no one has stated Classic has or will fail IN THIS THREAD, hence a strawman.
Even @DMKano stated Classic is a 100% success....but is arguing we can expect to see a fairly rapid falloff.
I haven't seen any attempt from you to debate this point, or the OPs assertion that there are in fact 4.5M active players, but you have hit "WTF" without comment on almost any post which is contrary.
Your forum PVP skills could use a bit of honing.
The fact you actually said "forum pvp" speaks volumes. DMKano can stick up for himself, no need to kiss his feet.
Still not addressing the relevant points of the thread, yet more strawmen.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
What the norse!!!!! so many millions in Classic already, Warcraft and Blizzard had like a "I win Button" in their corporate office. Like a Godmode in commerce lol....
By the way, no wonder retail seems to be a little bit... bah! just the same, the ones in classic are new players...
People are jumping
to all kinds of conclusions in something that’s has so many factors it's
ridiculous. Infact so many it may be on
the top five things in life ever to predict and factor all the variables…..
Then digging into the minds and soles of peoples behavior.
Then you have the usual negative posters trying to degrade others with "Fake News Facts". Then trying to cover their tracks.... It's kind of fun to watch
Anymore than an
opinion is such a waist of time.
So here in my
opinion, People love and miss this game and it's style.... That's what comes from all of this.... My opinion !
Here on mmorpg.com, and elsewhere, I'm seeing some of the same names whom, for a long time insisted "Give it up. Blizzard will never launch a Classic Server".
Then, when Blizzard announced Classic, said "It will never work. No one wants to play old, crappy WoW. Muh nostalgia goggles".
Now that it's launched and has been very popular, they're saying "It won't last", and "it's rapidly losing players", "it's dying", "it's just people who are curious what all the fuss is about", etc. etc.
Give it another few months and they'll have another way to tell everyone how WoW Classic isn't going to last and is dying. And something else after that. And then again after that... ad nauseum.
It's a lot of wishful thinking by people whom - for reasons probably related to being hollow, miserable people who hate when others are happy - have trouble just letting others enjoy what they want to enjoy. They have to constantly crap all over it.
Here on mmorpg.com, and elsewhere, I'm seeing some of the same names whom, for a long time insisted "Classic Is the best, everything new is just trash for mindless zombies, no real players enjoy todays mmo's"
Then threads like this obvious lie, sprout, bring more people with that attitude. So people come here and state that its not true, and reasons why its not true. Only to be white knighted against, cause for some flippin reason, people cant grasp that it changed for a reason. Retail WoW didnt kill WoW, the multitude of games did, and the only people who disagree are the ones who come to these forums too bitch, or other forums.
So ya, give it a few months, when the pop is less then 100k, sitting at roughly warframes daily active users (probably even less) The we will hear the white knights say its still the best game. Will it be a success, define success? I define success in a game by its longevity and entertainment value. Its got the entertainment for a few, but can it last?
Clearly a failure of epic proportions....we know not what we really want, of course (nostalgia blah blah blah blah). rofl.
I gave up on my original server choice because it is still full during primetime every freaking day.
Some servers will remain very popular while others will not.
5 EU servers are showing declining population:
meanwhile US realms while declining are more populated than EU realms:
You have to remember that players initially play same game far more hours/day than they'd play long term. Assuming that those numbers are about players connecting to the server, then NA must have gained active players to keep the population stable as that initial rush passes.
I do believe the population will drop, but honestly I'm at the moment surprised it's not dropping faster.
It is dropping fast though - after the 1st month, how many stay subbed?
Also WoW classic has a major issue with lacking content at end game - so as more players level up - more will leave as they hit endgame.
So the rate of players leaving is likely to increase.
Is dropping fast? 3 servers on EU going from high to medium and medium to low = dropping fast? Is your math that bad?
Anyway , reason why in the first week we saw higher que's is because every person and their mother, pushed their normal play time higher then usual and/or took days off from work, etc. to play Classic.
Sure, numbers will go down , in-time ( read that well ), but saying it is dropping fast as we speak and giving us twitch numbers as proof ( lol ) , makes you no better then the one giving us 4.5 mil active subs based on chars created. At least that guy with 4.5 mil takes info from in-game and is a bit more trustful then you and your ..twitch numbers ( lol again ).
You read again - I am not claiming that twitch numbers show player numbers.
I clearly said that WoW is rapidly losing popularity on twitch and that usually reflects waning interest in game.
Also I said that WoW classic is not growing anymore as they stopped adding half a dozen servers every week.
Again please read what I am saying carefully before coming up with this bullshit conclusion where I am equating twitch views with subscription numbers - I have never said this- please go read again.
The whole twisting of what I am actually saying into something I never claimed is laughable.
Here so that there is no mistaking what I have actually said - made it easy for you - highlighted:
Ok clearly I am talking about twitch popularity, hello?
It seems reasonable that overall interest follows the trend on Twitch.
Questions I want answers to - How will Blizzard direct the entire WoW franchise going forward? What will the perceived demographic cross section look like? What aspects of the industry could this impact and what would those look like?
How many players remain and what their make up looks like will likely determine how Blizzard proceeds and what sort of impact, if any, there is on the rest of the MMO/GaaS corner of the industry. Short term I can see a lot of others trying to bandwagon on this. Long term, less clear.
Good questions.
Blizzard will - we can be sure - be looking at the total number of subscribers.
It seems reasonable to assume that vanilla has some new players and that some previous players have resubbed. Its also reasonable to assume that people on "current" WoW are now playing on vanilla. (There was even a suggestion in this thread that current's numbers are very low).
Blizzard will want answers to e.g. the population of vanilla long term; whether people who have moved from current to vanilla will return to current or - maybe - after a fling on vanilla leave and also the longer term impact on current WoW. Other games that have taken this path of relaunching an old version have seen subsequent declines on both their "current" and their "relaunched" versions.
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@Iselin above suggested that WoW might be the exception to the "population declines"after launch. However Blizzard pretty much told us that WoW wasn't an exception though: 100M accounts in 10 years means that: a) it gained - on average - 10M accounts a year. Exceptional! b) it lost - on average - 10M accounts a year. So no different from other mmos.
This doesn't tell us whether people started leaving after 1 month or 2 months or - whatever - but it does tell us that WoW lost population.
The drop was masked by new sales though. Partly by WoW launching in new regions - Europe 6 months after US; China 6 months later and also - as @Iselin alluded to - attaining "mass popularity". So this time around unless WoW keeps attracting new players we should expect it to decline. Which is what Blizzard expect.
My server is more full than it was at launch. It was one of the only servers with no queue. Now it is High pop all the time. It is the PvE RP server. Also someone said they aren't adding any other servers, that is wrong they are adding a Spanish/Portugese Language server.
I really wish you guys were far more correct about falling numbers. There are way too many players. I tried to do the blasted land quests today where you turn in all the animal parts for those buff things (like the roids, and the candy corn icon thing). The basalik brains almost broke me. I was filled with so much hate for other players also looking for basalik brains I was almost ready to swear allegiance to a any terrorist organization that would swear me vengeance on every player who tagged a basalik on my quest for their brains.
Every layer was overflowing with players searching for basalik brains. I couldn't get away from them.
I now truly wish you guys are correct but your wish is just going to happen later than expected. I hope 90% of people playing just stop. And I'm on a lower pop server. I feel really bad for most of the people since most servers show full when I try and log in, but mine is always medium.
You naysayers and good game haters have a new cheerleader in me. I truly hope everyone enjoying themselves in Classic stops playing and goes back to all the modern shitty MMO non-rpgs you guys cherish and love. There is just too many people in a game with limited spawns that have low drop chances.
And your constant claims of, "you think you do, but you don't," is actually correct. Except you were referring the game and gameplay. I thought I wanted classic to be popular, but I don't. At least not this popular. Some of these later quests are worse than the starting zones when it first released. In every zone I am fighting mobs of dickhead players trying to do the same quests I am, taking all my mobs, trying to group and talk and be social. I just want my own zones when I am questing. Other people are only useful for dungeons and raids and pvp.
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And you wonder why people come at you on this board. Just let it go dude, you were wrong, you are wrong, and you will continue to be wrong. There are plenty of MMORPG players out there who WANT OLD SCHOOL. Just because you and the masses like this new shit does not make you right. Old school MMO is still in demand. It may be nostalgia for some, but not close to most as you would have people believe. Stop pretending like you know everything, you DO NOT.
To presume you know why we are enjoying this is arrogant beyond belief.
My axe is sharpened by your condescending arrogance on these forums. You have always told us we don't really want old school mechanics, it is just nostalgia. This is like me telling you that you don't really want pepperoni on your pizza. Who TF am I to tell you that? You cannot tell people what they want in gaming, it is absurd, it is arrogant, and it is what you do on these forums any time this discussion comes up. So yes, I have an axe to grind with you, because you continue to post this crap.
And don't pretend for a second you are some old school MMO champion because virtually everyone on this forum knows better.
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Anyway , reason why in the first week we saw higher que's is because every person and their mother, pushed their normal play time higher then usual and/or took days off from work, etc. to play Classic.
Sure, numbers will go down , in-time ( read that well ), but saying it is dropping fast as we speak and giving us twitch numbers as proof ( lol ) , makes you no better then the one giving us 4.5 mil active subs based on chars created. At least that guy with 4.5 mil takes info from in-game and is a bit more trustful then you and your ..twitch numbers ( lol again ).
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
What are you talking about? I am literally mocking actual comments made on this very forum by people. Strawman is to change the premise of one's argument....to say I am straw-manning you would have to know exactly whose argument I am addressing, and show how I changed the premise of it. Try again.
We don't talk politics here.
When someone posts a obvious lie, to benifit the game, the people will come with stuff to say against it.
And yes, i read the posts, not skimmed and made a outlandish statement.
And who's talking about Classic growing in the same way as in the first 2 weeks!? You are the one who keeps adding ..random "data" into threads about Classic. Of course Classic will not grow higher then is now, but "It is dropping fast" , based on twitch ( yup, you said it, not me ) , and because 3 servers on EU and 2(?) on US have dropped a.."rank" in population? Don't think so..
Classic will drop in population, this at least I agree with you. But not "fast", nor "rapidly". The servers in EU are almost identical in terms of population since first week and I already explained you why first week we saw bigger que's then we have now.
I'll also agree with you that after first month, we will see some drop in population, but that will also be the moment when we will find if is "fast" , "rapidly" or .. "decent" drop in population.
I will be here on the 28th this month, with a print of the servers! We will see then..
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
It also seems people here think I hate WoW cause i have posted several times in threads like this basically downvoting what is said about classic being the best mmo in the last decade or how classic is what mmos should be. However I have a large spot for WoW in my heart. Me and my daughter spent many many evenings lost in Azeroth together. Times where we just bonded, laughed, ganked!
Most people will laugh and think i am an idiot for doing so, but my most recent addition to my family (now 11 month old) is actually named after a WoW character. Not just because i am a fan, but because of the amazing impact WoW had between me and my other child. We could have bonded over other things, but this just happened to one.
After saying this, I still will call a spade a spade, no matter how much I love it.
It's 100% impossible to judge success of classic.
People are jumping to all kinds of conclusions in something that’s has so many factors it's ridiculous. Infact so many it may be on the top five things in life ever to predict and factor all the variables….. Then digging into the minds and soles of peoples behavior.
Then you have the usual negative posters trying to degrade others with "Fake News Facts". Then trying to cover their tracks.... It's kind of fun to watch
Anymore than an opinion is such a waist of time.
So here in my opinion, People love and miss this game and it's style.... That's what comes from all of this.... My opinion !
Even @DMKano stated Classic is a 100% success....but is arguing we can expect to see a fairly rapid falloff.
I haven't seen any attempt from you to debate this point, or the OPs assertion that there are in fact 4.5M active players, but you have hit "WTF" without comment on almost any post which is contrary.
Your forum PVP skills could use a bit of honing.
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"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Then, when Blizzard announced Classic, said "It will never work. No one wants to play old, crappy WoW. Muh nostalgia goggles".
Now that it's launched and has been very popular, they're saying "It won't last", and "it's rapidly losing players", "it's dying", "it's just people who are curious what all the fuss is about", etc. etc.
Give it another few months and they'll have another way to tell everyone how WoW Classic isn't going to last and is dying. And something else after that. And then again after that... ad nauseum.
It's a lot of wishful thinking by people whom - for reasons probably related to being hollow, miserable people who hate when others are happy - have trouble just letting others enjoy what they want to enjoy. They have to constantly crap all over it.
The fact you actually said "forum pvp" speaks volumes. DMKano can stick up for himself, no need to kiss his feet.
Awesome, you really are bad at this.
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"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
By the way, no wonder retail seems to be a little bit... bah! just the same, the ones in classic are new players...
Kudos on blizzard...
Then threads like this obvious lie, sprout, bring more people with that attitude. So people come here and state that its not true, and reasons why its not true. Only to be white knighted against, cause for some flippin reason, people cant grasp that it changed for a reason. Retail WoW didnt kill WoW, the multitude of games did, and the only people who disagree are the ones who come to these forums too bitch, or other forums.
So ya, give it a few months, when the pop is less then 100k, sitting at roughly warframes daily active users (probably even less) The we will hear the white knights say its still the best game. Will it be a success, define success? I define success in a game by its longevity and entertainment value. Its got the entertainment for a few, but can it last?
Blizzard will - we can be sure - be looking at the total number of subscribers.
It seems reasonable to assume that vanilla has some new players and that some previous players have resubbed. Its also reasonable to assume that people on "current" WoW are now playing on vanilla. (There was even a suggestion in this thread that current's numbers are very low).
Blizzard will want answers to e.g. the population of vanilla long term; whether people who have moved from current to vanilla will return to current or - maybe - after a fling on vanilla leave and also the longer term impact on current WoW. Other games that have taken this path of relaunching an old version have seen subsequent declines on both their "current" and their "relaunched" versions.
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@Iselin above suggested that WoW might be the exception to the "population declines"after launch. However Blizzard pretty much told us that WoW wasn't an exception though: 100M accounts in 10 years means that:
a) it gained - on average - 10M accounts a year. Exceptional!
b) it lost - on average - 10M accounts a year. So no different from other mmos.
This doesn't tell us whether people started leaving after 1 month or 2 months or - whatever - but it does tell us that WoW lost population.
The drop was masked by new sales though. Partly by WoW launching in new regions - Europe 6 months after US; China 6 months later and also - as @Iselin alluded to - attaining "mass popularity". So this time around unless WoW keeps attracting new players we should expect it to decline. Which is what Blizzard expect.
Every layer was overflowing with players searching for basalik brains. I couldn't get away from them.
I now truly wish you guys are correct but your wish is just going to happen later than expected. I hope 90% of people playing just stop. And I'm on a lower pop server. I feel really bad for most of the people since most servers show full when I try and log in, but mine is always medium.
You naysayers and good game haters have a new cheerleader in me. I truly hope everyone enjoying themselves in Classic stops playing and goes back to all the modern shitty MMO non-rpgs you guys cherish and love. There is just too many people in a game with limited spawns that have low drop chances.
And your constant claims of, "you think you do, but you don't," is actually correct. Except you were referring the game and gameplay. I thought I wanted classic to be popular, but I don't. At least not this popular. Some of these later quests are worse than the starting zones when it first released. In every zone I am fighting mobs of dickhead players trying to do the same quests I am, taking all my mobs, trying to group and talk and be social. I just want my own zones when I am questing. Other people are only useful for dungeons and raids and pvp.