Riot warns League of Legends streamers and players to avoid 'sensitive topics' on the air

Quizzical

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

IceAge said:

Quizzical said:

IceAge said:

Quizzical said:

Blizzard didn't say "no politics" ahead of time.  Riot just did.  Riot is handling it properly.  Blizzard didn't.  This article is about Riot's announcement.  Let's not confuse the situations.

Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public,

From my point of view: "Brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public" , is exactly what Blitz did. 

Am I wrong?

That's a vague catchall, not a clear "no politics" rule.  If you mean no politics, then say no politics.  Announcing that you think Hearthstone is a fun game will offend a portion of the public, but surely wouldn't result in a ban.

So I am right, but you just come up with theories, based on personal beliefs.

He used Hearthstone to go into a "public disrepute" & "offended a portion or group of people" .

I mean if it wasn't the case, then be sure that Blizzard would unban him completely. But hey, seems you know better then their lawyers. As a matter of fact, seems Americans do have this "we know better" attitude. Better then even them self, lol.

Lawyers? This was a matter of public relations, not legality.  ....although Blizzard using lawyers for a decision that's clearly about public relations would explain how they managed to screw it up so badly.

..and yet, if the ban was not legal, imagine the same people will go like "The ban was not even legally because the so called term which Blitz broken, was not in their ToS". And then, forums would be full of "SUE THEM!!". 

There are a lot of things that would be legal, but still stupid.  Blizzard could announce today that they're going to pull the plug on WoW a year from now and that would be legal, but still stupid.  The catchall in their rules gives them the legal right to ban the player, but that doesn't mean that it was smart PR.

IceAge

Quizzical said:

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

IceAge said:

Quizzical said:

IceAge said:

Quizzical said:

Blizzard didn't say "no politics" ahead of time.  Riot just did.  Riot is handling it properly.  Blizzard didn't.  This article is about Riot's announcement.  Let's not confuse the situations.

Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public,

From my point of view: "Brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public" , is exactly what Blitz did. 

Am I wrong?

That's a vague catchall, not a clear "no politics" rule.  If you mean no politics, then say no politics.  Announcing that you think Hearthstone is a fun game will offend a portion of the public, but surely wouldn't result in a ban.

So I am right, but you just come up with theories, based on personal beliefs.

He used Hearthstone to go into a "public disrepute" & "offended a portion or group of people" .

I mean if it wasn't the case, then be sure that Blizzard would unban him completely. But hey, seems you know better then their lawyers. As a matter of fact, seems Americans do have this "we know better" attitude. Better then even them self, lol.

Lawyers? This was a matter of public relations, not legality.  ....although Blizzard using lawyers for a decision that's clearly about public relations would explain how they managed to screw it up so badly.

..and yet, if the ban was not legal, imagine the same people will go like "The ban was not even legally because the so called term which Blitz broken, was not in their ToS". And then, forums would be full of "SUE THEM!!". 

There are a lot of things that would be legal, but still stupid.  Blizzard could announce today that they're going to pull the plug on WoW a year from now and that would be legal, but still stupid.  The catchall in their rules gives them the legal right to ban the player, but that doesn't mean that it was smart PR.

..and if it was the other way around and Blizzard didn't follow their LEGAL points, guess where would people point fingers first? On their ToS : "Hey Blizzard? Look, is in your ToS and you didn't took actions!! WTF is wrong with you".

But yes, as a PR move, was a bad move. 

...but seems not money wise. Their stocks are on a rise. Thanks to China? Maybe, but they are OK. 

So even if they took a PR hit this days , and maybe some losses on their next Q , if they will keep their balls, they will do fine. 

Why balls? Because I don't believe in conspiracy theories, that they bend to China. 

TiamatRoar

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

IceAge said:

Quizzical said:

IceAge said:

Quizzical said:

Blizzard didn't say "no politics" ahead of time.  Riot just did.  Riot is handling it properly.  Blizzard didn't.  This article is about Riot's announcement.  Let's not confuse the situations.

Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public,

From my point of view: "Brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public" , is exactly what Blitz did. 

Am I wrong?

That's a vague catchall, not a clear "no politics" rule.  If you mean no politics, then say no politics.  Announcing that you think Hearthstone is a fun game will offend a portion of the public, but surely wouldn't result in a ban.

So I am right, but you just come up with theories, based on personal beliefs.

He used Hearthstone to go into a "public disrepute" & "offended a portion or group of people" .

I mean if it wasn't the case, then be sure that Blizzard would unban him completely. But hey, seems you know better then their lawyers. As a matter of fact, seems Americans do have this "we know better" attitude. Better then even them self, lol.

Lawyers? This was a matter of public relations, not legality.  ....although Blizzard using lawyers for a decision that's clearly about public relations would explain how they managed to screw it up so badly.

..and yet, if the ban was not legal, imagine the same people will go like "The ban was not even legally because the so called term which Blitz broken, was not in their ToS". And then, forums would be full of "SUE THEM!!". 

Okay?  You gave a hypothetical that if Blizzard didn't have lawyers and did illegal things, things would be even worse.  Congratulations on that bit of insightfulness, I guess?

Thanks! You are not better btw! We both discuss a political thing which has NO place in games.

Honest question.  Is English your first language?  Your replies seem to be not following any logical path to what the posts you are quoting are saying.

Linif

He broke a rule that was clear would get him in trouble. That's evident by the casters hiding under the table when it happened.

He broke a rule, he was punished. End of. People are choosing to rally behind a misguided cause of "Blizzard supports China" or "Blizzard censors Hong Kong support". The mob mentality kicked in and people are misrepresenting what happened.

Now every other company is scrambling to protect themselves against the nonsense of "banning a player breaking the rules is okay, unless they're trying to convey a serious message".

You don't get to use Blizzards broadcast, events and resources to spread your message. You've got a ridiculous amount of other ways to do it. 

The only people that made this political were Blitzchung and the player base.

FOR CLARITY: The punishment was very heavy-handed, obviously a knee jerk reaction because of just how inflammatory the stunt was. I don't like how they got rid of the casters (Blizzard reasoning is apparently because they didn't try to stop it) and the overall punishment of Blitzchung was too severe. I'm not debating that. 

lahnmir

Linif said:

He broke a rule that was clear would get him in trouble. That's evident by the casters hiding under the table when it happened.

He broke a rule, he was punished. End of. People are choosing to rally behind a misguided cause of "Blizzard supports China" or "Blizzard censors Hong Kong support". The mob mentality kicked in and people are misrepresenting what happened.

Now every other company is scrambling to protect themselves against the nonsense of "banning a player breaking the rules is okay, unless they're trying to convey a serious message".

You don't get to use Blizzards broadcast, events and resources to spread your message. You've got a ridiculous amount of other ways to do it. 

The only people that made this political were Blitzchung and the player base.

FOR CLARITY: The punishment was very heavy-handed, obviously a knee jerk reaction because of just how inflammatory the stunt was. I don't like how they got rid of the casters (Blizzard reasoning is apparently because they didn't try to stop it) and the overall punishment of Blitzchung was too severe. I'm not debating that. 

They actually softened the punishment. Which was just as bad a knee jerk reaction.

/Gan bei,
Lahnmir

TiamatRoar

Linif said:

He broke a rule that was clear would get him in trouble. That's evident by the casters hiding under the table when it happened.

He broke a rule, he was punished. End of. People are choosing to rally behind a misguided cause of "Blizzard supports China" or "Blizzard censors Hong Kong support". The mob mentality kicked in and people are misrepresenting what happened.

Now every other company is scrambling to protect themselves against the nonsense of "banning a player breaking the rules is okay, unless they're trying to convey a serious message".

You don't get to use Blizzards broadcast, events and resources to spread your message. You've got a ridiculous amount of other ways to do it. 

The only people that made this political were Blitzchung and the player base.

FOR CLARITY: The punishment was very heavy-handed, obviously a knee jerk reaction because of just how inflammatory the stunt was. I don't like how they got rid of the casters (Blizzard reasoning is apparently because they didn't try to stop it) and the overall punishment of Blitzchung was too severe. I'm not debating that. 

Blizzard martyring him like that straight into the national news means that using Blizzard's broadcast, events, and resources to spread his message was exactly what he did, and he did it incredibly successfully.

Lesson learned for every other game company.  Gee, when you do esports and thus have people who are not employees of your company and not controlled by you involved, and you give them live broadcasted interviews, you might actually get their inner views.  Who knew?  Well, Riot and everyone else knows now, at least.

IceAge

TiamatRoar said:

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

IceAge said:

Quizzical said:

IceAge said:

Quizzical said:

Blizzard didn't say "no politics" ahead of time.  Riot just did.  Riot is handling it properly.  Blizzard didn't.  This article is about Riot's announcement.  Let's not confuse the situations.

Engaging in any act that, in Blizzard’s sole discretion, brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public,

From my point of view: "Brings you into public disrepute, offends a portion or group of the public" , is exactly what Blitz did. 

Am I wrong?

That's a vague catchall, not a clear "no politics" rule.  If you mean no politics, then say no politics.  Announcing that you think Hearthstone is a fun game will offend a portion of the public, but surely wouldn't result in a ban.

So I am right, but you just come up with theories, based on personal beliefs.

He used Hearthstone to go into a "public disrepute" & "offended a portion or group of people" .

I mean if it wasn't the case, then be sure that Blizzard would unban him completely. But hey, seems you know better then their lawyers. As a matter of fact, seems Americans do have this "we know better" attitude. Better then even them self, lol.

Lawyers? This was a matter of public relations, not legality.  ....although Blizzard using lawyers for a decision that's clearly about public relations would explain how they managed to screw it up so badly.

..and yet, if the ban was not legal, imagine the same people will go like "The ban was not even legally because the so called term which Blitz broken, was not in their ToS". And then, forums would be full of "SUE THEM!!". 

Okay?  You gave a hypothetical that if Blizzard didn't have lawyers and did illegal things, things would be even worse.  Congratulations on that bit of insightfulness, I guess?

Thanks! You are not better btw! We both discuss a political thing which has NO place in games.

Honest question.  Is English your first language?  Your replies seem to be not following any logical path to what the posts you are quoting are saying.

Of course not. Not even the second one. 

..and that's the beauty of it. I can say anything I want, in no particular order, and come up with this excuse

IceAge

TiamatRoar said:

  Gee, when you do esports and thus have people who are not employees of your company and not controlled by you involved...

Except it was controlled by Blizzard contract which in the end, he broke it. 

Why do people still come up with personal entitled facts and put them like they are..really facts?

Linif

lahnmir said:

Linif said:

He broke a rule that was clear would get him in trouble. That's evident by the casters hiding under the table when it happened.

He broke a rule, he was punished. End of. People are choosing to rally behind a misguided cause of "Blizzard supports China" or "Blizzard censors Hong Kong support". The mob mentality kicked in and people are misrepresenting what happened.

Now every other company is scrambling to protect themselves against the nonsense of "banning a player breaking the rules is okay, unless they're trying to convey a serious message".

You don't get to use Blizzards broadcast, events and resources to spread your message. You've got a ridiculous amount of other ways to do it. 

The only people that made this political were Blitzchung and the player base.

FOR CLARITY: The punishment was very heavy-handed, obviously a knee jerk reaction because of just how inflammatory the stunt was. I don't like how they got rid of the casters (Blizzard reasoning is apparently because they didn't try to stop it) and the overall punishment of Blitzchung was too severe. I'm not debating that. 

They actually softened the punishment. Which was just as bad a knee jerk reaction.

/Gan bei,
Lahnmir

Oh for sure. Going back on their decision is really hurting their position on this. (I know that sounds sarcastic, it's not lol). Backing down gives the impression they've done something bad. I'm happy they softened it because it seemed too harsh initially. But it's given a form of justification to the player base's reaction to the situation. 

TiamatRoar

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

  Gee, when you do esports and thus have people who are not employees of your company and not controlled by you involved...

Except it was controlled by Blizzard contract which in the end, he broke it. 

Why do people still come up with personal entitled facts and put them like they are..really facts?

That was a set of tournament rules, not a contract. No wonder why you keep rambling about lawyers and law regarding an issue that's primarily about public relations.

Linif

TiamatRoar said:

Linif said:

He broke a rule that was clear would get him in trouble. That's evident by the casters hiding under the table when it happened.

He broke a rule, he was punished. End of. People are choosing to rally behind a misguided cause of "Blizzard supports China" or "Blizzard censors Hong Kong support". The mob mentality kicked in and people are misrepresenting what happened.

Now every other company is scrambling to protect themselves against the nonsense of "banning a player breaking the rules is okay, unless they're trying to convey a serious message".

You don't get to use Blizzards broadcast, events and resources to spread your message. You've got a ridiculous amount of other ways to do it. 

The only people that made this political were Blitzchung and the player base.

FOR CLARITY: The punishment was very heavy-handed, obviously a knee jerk reaction because of just how inflammatory the stunt was. I don't like how they got rid of the casters (Blizzard reasoning is apparently because they didn't try to stop it) and the overall punishment of Blitzchung was too severe. I'm not debating that. 

Blizzard martyring him like that straight into the national news means that using Blizzard's broadcast, events, and resources to spread his message was exactly what he did, and he did it incredibly successfully.

Lesson learned for every other game company.  Gee, when you do esports and thus have people who are not employees of your company and not controlled by you involved, and you give them live broadcasted interviews, you might actually get their inner views.  Who knew?  Well, Riot and everyone else knows now, at least.

I would assume he knew it would work, but just not as well as it did. It worked exceptionally well and sets a really bad precedent for people who may want to do this in the future.

Aye, the risk always existed no matter the company or industry. Blizzard and any company in any industry trust their people to act professionally. Sometimes they don't.

IceAge

TiamatRoar said:

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

  Gee, when you do esports and thus have people who are not employees of your company and not controlled by you involved...

Except it was controlled by Blizzard contract which in the end, he broke it. 

Why do people still come up with personal entitled facts and put them like they are..really facts?

That was a set of tournament rules, not a contract. No wonder why you keep rambling about lawyers and law regarding an issue that's primarily about public relations.

..which HE agreed before participating in the tournament. Is like a contract, unwriten. A guy reads the rules of the tournament to you. You agree to the rules. You break them, you get consequences, which ARE written in their tournament ToS. If the guy didn't read those, its his fault.  

TiamatRoar

Linif said:

TiamatRoar said:

Linif said:

He broke a rule that was clear would get him in trouble. That's evident by the casters hiding under the table when it happened.

He broke a rule, he was punished. End of. People are choosing to rally behind a misguided cause of "Blizzard supports China" or "Blizzard censors Hong Kong support". The mob mentality kicked in and people are misrepresenting what happened.

Now every other company is scrambling to protect themselves against the nonsense of "banning a player breaking the rules is okay, unless they're trying to convey a serious message".

You don't get to use Blizzards broadcast, events and resources to spread your message. You've got a ridiculous amount of other ways to do it. 

The only people that made this political were Blitzchung and the player base.

FOR CLARITY: The punishment was very heavy-handed, obviously a knee jerk reaction because of just how inflammatory the stunt was. I don't like how they got rid of the casters (Blizzard reasoning is apparently because they didn't try to stop it) and the overall punishment of Blitzchung was too severe. I'm not debating that. 

Blizzard martyring him like that straight into the national news means that using Blizzard's broadcast, events, and resources to spread his message was exactly what he did, and he did it incredibly successfully.

Lesson learned for every other game company.  Gee, when you do esports and thus have people who are not employees of your company and not controlled by you involved, and you give them live broadcasted interviews, you might actually get their inner views.  Who knew?  Well, Riot and everyone else knows now, at least.

I would assume he knew it would work, but just not as well as it did. It worked exceptionally well and sets a really bad precedent for people who may want to do this in the future.

Aye, the risk always existed no matter the company or industry. Blizzard and any company in any industry trust their people to act professionally. Sometimes they don't.

The dangers of esports. The players in it arent "their people".  If he was an actual employee of Blizzard's or even just a contractor, they could have coached him on the interview in advance or forced him to follow a specific carefully worded legally binding company policy manual.  Instead they had to rely on this vague "at our discretion" tournament rule with arbitrary nondefined "offense" for a live freeform interview.  And well, we have the disastrous results of that.

I'm sure lots of other tournament participants will continue to find ways to express their views even after this precedent.  They really don't have much to lose after all relatively speaking. Even NBA players are employees. Esports players?  Not so much.

IceAge

TiamatRoar said:

Linif said:

TiamatRoar said:

Linif said:

He broke a rule that was clear would get him in trouble. That's evident by the casters hiding under the table when it happened.

He broke a rule, he was punished. End of. People are choosing to rally behind a misguided cause of "Blizzard supports China" or "Blizzard censors Hong Kong support". The mob mentality kicked in and people are misrepresenting what happened.

Now every other company is scrambling to protect themselves against the nonsense of "banning a player breaking the rules is okay, unless they're trying to convey a serious message".

You don't get to use Blizzards broadcast, events and resources to spread your message. You've got a ridiculous amount of other ways to do it. 

The only people that made this political were Blitzchung and the player base.

FOR CLARITY: The punishment was very heavy-handed, obviously a knee jerk reaction because of just how inflammatory the stunt was. I don't like how they got rid of the casters (Blizzard reasoning is apparently because they didn't try to stop it) and the overall punishment of Blitzchung was too severe. I'm not debating that. 

Blizzard martyring him like that straight into the national news means that using Blizzard's broadcast, events, and resources to spread his message was exactly what he did, and he did it incredibly successfully.

Lesson learned for every other game company.  Gee, when you do esports and thus have people who are not employees of your company and not controlled by you involved, and you give them live broadcasted interviews, you might actually get their inner views.  Who knew?  Well, Riot and everyone else knows now, at least.

I would assume he knew it would work, but just not as well as it did. It worked exceptionally well and sets a really bad precedent for people who may want to do this in the future.

Aye, the risk always existed no matter the company or industry. Blizzard and any company in any industry trust their people to act professionally. Sometimes they don't.

The dangers of esports. The players in it arent "their people".  If he was an actual employee of Blizzard's or even just a contractor, they could have coached him on the interview in advance or forced him to follow a specific carefully worded legally binding company policy manual.  Instead they had to rely on this vague "at our discretion" tournament rule with arbitrary nondefined "offense" for a live freeform interview.  And well, we have the disastrous results of that.

I'm sure lots of other tournament participants will continue to find ways to express their views even after this precedent.  They really don't have much to lose after all relatively speaking. Even NBA players are employees. Esports players?  Not so much.

More excuses for bringing politics into GAMES!

Well done!

TiamatRoar

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

Linif said:

TiamatRoar said:

Linif said:

He broke a rule that was clear would get him in trouble. That's evident by the casters hiding under the table when it happened.

He broke a rule, he was punished. End of. People are choosing to rally behind a misguided cause of "Blizzard supports China" or "Blizzard censors Hong Kong support". The mob mentality kicked in and people are misrepresenting what happened.

Now every other company is scrambling to protect themselves against the nonsense of "banning a player breaking the rules is okay, unless they're trying to convey a serious message".

You don't get to use Blizzards broadcast, events and resources to spread your message. You've got a ridiculous amount of other ways to do it. 

The only people that made this political were Blitzchung and the player base.

FOR CLARITY: The punishment was very heavy-handed, obviously a knee jerk reaction because of just how inflammatory the stunt was. I don't like how they got rid of the casters (Blizzard reasoning is apparently because they didn't try to stop it) and the overall punishment of Blitzchung was too severe. I'm not debating that. 

Blizzard martyring him like that straight into the national news means that using Blizzard's broadcast, events, and resources to spread his message was exactly what he did, and he did it incredibly successfully.

Lesson learned for every other game company.  Gee, when you do esports and thus have people who are not employees of your company and not controlled by you involved, and you give them live broadcasted interviews, you might actually get their inner views.  Who knew?  Well, Riot and everyone else knows now, at least.

I would assume he knew it would work, but just not as well as it did. It worked exceptionally well and sets a really bad precedent for people who may want to do this in the future.

Aye, the risk always existed no matter the company or industry. Blizzard and any company in any industry trust their people to act professionally. Sometimes they don't.

The dangers of esports. The players in it arent "their people".  If he was an actual employee of Blizzard's or even just a contractor, they could have coached him on the interview in advance or forced him to follow a specific carefully worded legally binding company policy manual.  Instead they had to rely on this vague "at our discretion" tournament rule with arbitrary nondefined "offense" for a live freeform interview.  And well, we have the disastrous results of that.

I'm sure lots of other tournament participants will continue to find ways to express their views even after this precedent.  They really don't have much to lose after all relatively speaking. Even NBA players are employees. Esports players?  Not so much.

More excuses for bringing politics into GAMES!

Well done!

 Dangers, not excuses.  Excuses would be if I said they should bring politics into games.  Dangers are about how they WILL bring politics into games.

TiamatRoar

DMKano said:

Blizzard is so full of shit

They say they dont allow any talk of social justice or politics  - but look at their previous events



Yeah.

So basically if we can profit off it - we are totally fine with social and political issues 


F U Blizzard!

The intro of their official apology can actually be concatanated as "Here at Blizzard, every voice matters.  However..."

FlyByKnight

Hey guys, when I posted this early in the AM I thought it would get closed by management who now close their own articles/threads for discussion.

I then realized, it's the weekend. 



ENJOY WHILE IT LASTS!

Iselin

FlyByKnight said:

Hey guys, when I posted this early in the AM I thought it would get closed by management who now close their own articles/threads for discussion.

I then realized, it's the weekend. 



ENJOY WHILE IT LASTS!

I see banned people. Some of them don't even know they're banned.

Phry

TiamatRoar said:

mmolou said:

DMKano said:

Riot is a Chinese owned company - no surprise. 

They can get bent together with Blizzard.

Anyone who stands in support of any country that still runs concentration camps can fuck right off.

So that includes America/Americans as well then?

By "country"  he means government in this context. In which case, to answer your question, hell yes. Fortunately the American impeachment inquiries are already ongoing.

The impeachment attempts are ludicrous, the Ukraine debacle implicates Biden and Clinton, not Trump, which is hillarious. As for concentration camps, the USA does not have any, and that is a fact.

Phry

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

Then I'll just paraphrase Southpark.  You gotta give up some of your ideals and freedoms if you want to suck on the warm cash cow of China.

Pff Be my guess.

A lot of companies and people are giving up some of their ideals and freedoms to suck on the warm cash cow of USA! 

How is it that there's only China money in all this world? USA money no? Or are you guys assuming that they are "all clean"?

Is that a joke? the Chinese government is using cash to gain influence, the stories about attempted bribes are likely dwarfed by the number of successful bribes, this isn't even something that is unknown. 

dave6660

DMKano said:

Riot and Blizzard are so full of shit

They say they dont allow any talk of social justice or politics or "sensitive issues" - but look at their previous events



Yeah.

So basically if we can profit off it - we are totally fine with social and political issues 

But when it's detrimental to our profits - ban ban ban!

F U Blizzard and Riot

The same goes for religion  They sell in-game Christmas cosmetics every year.  But ask for proof that deities exist and they suspend your account.

IceAge

Phry said:

IceAge said:

TiamatRoar said:

Then I'll just paraphrase Southpark.  You gotta give up some of your ideals and freedoms if you want to suck on the warm cash cow of China.

Pff Be my guess.

A lot of companies and people are giving up some of their ideals and freedoms to suck on the warm cash cow of USA! 

How is it that there's only China money in all this world? USA money no? Or are you guys assuming that they are "all clean"?

Is that a joke? the Chinese government is using cash to gain influence, the stories about attempted bribes are likely dwarfed by the number of successful bribes, this isn't even something that is unknown. 

What the .. ?

And what do you think the US government is doing with their cash, or most of the countries actually, beside other things?! Yes, that is correct. Using cash to gain influence.

Phry said:

TiamatRoar said:

mmolou said:

DMKano said:

Riot is a Chinese owned company - no surprise. 

They can get bent together with Blizzard.

Anyone who stands in support of any country that still runs concentration camps can fuck right off.

So that includes America/Americans as well then?

By "country"  he means government in this context. In which case, to answer your question, hell yes. Fortunately the American impeachment inquiries are already ongoing.

The impeachment attempts are ludicrous, the Ukraine debacle implicates Biden and Clinton, not Trump, which is hillarious. As for concentration camps, the USA does not have any, and that is a fact.

The impeachment is ludicrous only in the eyes of nationalists, supporters of closed boarders, etc. Aka..trump supporters.

The impeachment is VERY legit, like it or not. For other things which you said, the implication of Biden and Clinton, I'm sure there will be someone who will properly investigate the ..issue, if , of course, are actually true. 

I tend to believe are not, because yesterday, the trump lawyer, made a statements that Romania is also involved with "illegal" activities regarding Biden. Which wow, are so pathetic.

Emeraq

Next up in the news, An online streamer is banned from BK and may never purchase another BK Product worldwide ever again after eating a Whopper while talking politics, social issues and expressing their opinion/stance......  Sounds ridiculous right?  but that's how this whole thing sounds to me! If the gamer/streamer is not an employee of the company that owns the game, then their voice shouldn't be restricted to whatever that company does or does not want them to say.. Banning them makes little sense as personal opinions of non-employees should NOT reflect on the company. So, maybe it just shows how closed minded that company is to anyones opposing views?!  But that seems to be the theme of things in the world these days....

Kyleran

Phry said:

TiamatRoar said:

mmolou said:

DMKano said:

Riot is a Chinese owned company - no surprise. 

They can get bent together with Blizzard.

Anyone who stands in support of any country that still runs concentration camps can fuck right off.

So that includes America/Americans as well then?

By "country"  he means government in this context. In which case, to answer your question, hell yes. Fortunately the American impeachment inquiries are already ongoing.

The impeachment attempts are ludicrous, the Ukraine debacle implicates Biden and Clinton, not Trump, which is hillarious. As for concentration camps, the USA does not have any, and that is a fact.

You say Tomayto, I say Tomahto, concentration camp, detention camp, are they really that much different?

Not if you are one of the detainees I'm guessing. 

"The Guantanamo Bay detention camp is a United States military prison located within Guantanamo Bay Naval Base,[1] also referred to as Guantánamo, G-Bay, GTMO, and Gitmo (/ˈɡɪtmoʊ/), which is on the coast of Guantánamo Bay in Cuba. Indefinite detention without trial and torturehave led the operations of this camp to be considered a major breach of human rights by Amnesty International and a violation of Due Process Clause of the Fifth and Fourteenth amendments of the United States Constitution.[2][3][4]"

FlyByKnight

Oh wow, you guys are going full coo coo. We gonna bring up the Trumptard now?