Developers see the world as a place full of suckers.The game is not even good enough to play let alone pay. I can't believe how ballsy devs have become of late,they will try and profit off of just about anything that isn't tied down and after ripping you off on an inferior product they gouge you for more.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
This has me worried for Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6. Will I have to pay real money for a horse or grind countless hours for it to encourage me to use the real money shop? (Armor sold separate)
You are worried about single-player games because an online multi-player game has decided to add personal servers for a sub?
Yes.
It has nothing to do with SP / MP. It has everything to do with the mindset of this horrible company.
They've been at it since Oblivion with varying degree of success. Over the past few years, they've massively increased the effort. There is no reason to believe their future products will not suffer in a similar or worse way.
You know honestly, even if one game is pure crap to one person, if another person really enjoys it, who cares?
Entropia universe is a crap game for 99.99% of gamers, but i like it and have probably thrown in $4k usd over 10 years (i could liquidate and probably get back 2.6k though). Who cares? We all have our own hobbies.
Overall, to some people, who play the game and enjoy it, they will pay for it, for those that don't, it doesn't matter.
Looking at things from Bethesda's side:
If you didn't add an additional monetization scheme then Bethesda gets nothing either way.
So if let's say there are 10,000 people who play the game and you do no nothing, you get no money, if 10,000 people play the game, you put in a membership and multiplayer, and 8,000 stop playing but 2,000 remain and pay the membership fee, then you make money.
Then again, another option could be to do what No Man's Sky did and improve upon the game to get new people to buy in and play, but you could also do that after you do the membership thing.
Overall, remember there are experienced people making these decisions instead of your keyboard warriors who have no experience on the business side of things.
What do you mean "who cares"? All the rest of us who get this garbage shoved down our throats in almost every single major game released today.
It's exactly because of such short-sighted egotistical 'me me me' view that this industry is in the current state. 'Let the world burn - I'm having fun, so who cares?'
You know honestly, even if one game is pure crap to one person, if another person really enjoys it, who cares?
Entropia universe is a crap game for 99.99% of gamers, but i like it and have probably thrown in $4k usd over 10 years (i could liquidate and probably get back 2.6k though). Who cares? We all have our own hobbies.
Overall, to some people, who play the game and enjoy it, they will pay for it, for those that don't, it doesn't matter.
Looking at things from Bethesda's side:
If you didn't add an additional monetization scheme then Bethesda gets nothing either way.
So if let's say there are 10,000 people who play the game and you do no nothing, you get no money, if 10,000 people play the game, you put in a membership and multiplayer, and 8,000 stop playing but 2,000 remain and pay the membership fee, then you make money.
Then again, another option could be to do what No Man's Sky did and improve upon the game to get new people to buy in and play, but you could also do that after you do the membership thing.
Overall, remember there are experienced people making these decisions instead of your keyboard warriors who have no experience on the business side of things.
What do you mean "who cares"? All the rest of us who get this garbage shoved down our throats in almost every single major game released today.
It's exactly because of such short-sighted egotistical 'me me me' view that this industry is in the current state. 'Let the world burn - I'm having fun, so who cares?'
No one is getting anything shoved down their throat. I was commenting on the fact that who cares what floats someone's boat, it doesnt affect you.
If you are arguing that developers do stupid stuff because they know people buy into it and hence the stuff is now commonplace, id somewhat agree with it, but it is entertainment, go find some other genre to enjoy.
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This has me worried for Starfield and Elder Scrolls 6. Will I have to pay real money for a horse or grind countless hours for it to encourage me to use the real money shop? (Armor sold separate)
You are worried about single-player games because an online multi-player game has decided to add personal servers for a sub?
He's not the only one. It's not like others haven't done that already... Deu Ex: Mankind Divided and Shadow of Mordor to name just a couple. Hence the cheeky reaction from CDPR I use as my sig.
Even here, if you think it through, although this thing is being pitched as "a private server for you and your friends like you asked us to do" everyone knows damn well that what players were really asking for was the ability to play it solo just like all the other Fallout games.
What's really going on here is that they'll be charging you to play a GaaS as a single player game. It's a cunning addition to single player games monetization I personally hadn't seen before.
That the reaction from some is to be apologists by comparing it to how much it would cost to host your own server from a third party misses the whole point: They are monetizing solo FO76 play.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
imho : something is wrong in leadership at bethesda.
not really, i said it before fallout 76 even came out, they wanted to copy GTA V online and thought we would run throwing money at it. turns out we did not agree with all their little " minor " issues they assumed we would overlook and all their corner cutting too max their profits, maybe if they scaled back a little we would have.
so now that they been bleeding more money then their making, their trying new tricks. worked with loot boxes when DLC was not selling enough, it could work now. as others have been pointing out this a dangerous first step if accepted as a new practice, as it will bleed into other games and be counted on as potential game revenue. just like 99% of mobile is f2p but can make millions selling you nothing and overpriced at that !
if 1 to 20% is whales spending 1k+ on f2p games and supporting the other 80 to 99 % spending little to nothing, do you think they really care if the majority is pissed? they will try an get a niche market that will spending big and double down making them happy, with the random F2P on the side happy to get too join in on the scarps since HEY, it free !
So after ages waiting private servers will depend on you having this subscription, I am now wandering about modding, will you need to have this subscription to get mods too? I doubt it, but I put nothing beyond them at this point.
So after ages waiting private servers will depend on you having this subscription, I am now wandering about modding, will you need to have this subscription to get mods too? I doubt it, but I put nothing beyond them at this point.
So after ages waiting private servers will depend on you having this subscription, I am now wandering about modding, will you need to have this subscription to get mods too? I doubt it, but I put nothing beyond them at this point.
They are planning them on private servers, and the private server is only playable when you either have subscription or are in a group with someone who has subscription. You won't technically need a subscription, but if you don't have one you might be reduced to playing without mods and spamming "LFG someone to take me on their modded private server"
OK this whole idea that the server is not persistent kind of sucks and ruins it. I know they want everyone to get a sub, but that really makes the cost per month of the server more like $80 for my group. Bah...
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So after ages waiting private servers will depend on you having this subscription, I am now wandering about modding, will you need to have this subscription to get mods too? I doubt it, but I put nothing beyond them at this point.
They are planning them on private servers, and the private server is only playable when you either have subscription or are in a group with someone who has subscription. You won't technically need a subscription, but if you don't have one you might be reduced to playing without mods and spamming "LFG someone to take me on their modded private server"
I'm predicting, with players only able to use sub based hosted servers, the only mods you will be able to use are Creation Club mods that you buy.
Sure it is a tad bit high.. 9.99$ would be the "going" rate people seem to accept.
And buying the yearly sub takes it down to $8.33 a month which is cheaper than any other sub out there? Seems worthwhile if a "private instance" is your thing.
I do find a bit of genius here for the marketing department. Pay a subscription to play single player.
Point of order, solo is not at all how I play it, nor hunkered down with my group of close friends (I only have one who games), I regularly hang and chat with, get this.....total strangers... weird.
First time this has happened in a game outside of EVE since like 2006 or so.
I'm sure out there somewhere cats and dogs are sleeping together.
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I do find a bit of genius here for the marketing department. Pay a subscription to play single player.
Genius you say? I briefly contemplated using "clever" in my post above but I went with "cunning" instead. The same kind of cunning you see in carnival hucksters when they're trying to fleece the rubes
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
So after ages waiting private servers will depend on you having this subscription, I am now wandering about modding, will you need to have this subscription to get mods too? I doubt it, but I put nothing beyond them at this point.
They are planning them on private servers, and the private server is only playable when you either have subscription or are in a group with someone who has subscription. You won't technically need a subscription, but if you don't have one you might be reduced to playing without mods and spamming "LFG someone to take me on their modded private server"
I'm predicting, with players only able to use sub based hosted servers, the only mods you will be able to use are Creation Club mods that you buy.
Calling it now.
No. That's not how their engine works.
In order to be fully modded it has core mechanic in which mods overights the base code. So, as much they would want that, unless they change completely their engine, they won't be able to do so. And I have proof, because they already tried to pull that off.
There is a mod called "Achievement enabler" which enables achievements in a modded Skyrim (which the game code disables when check for mods) and there is the famous mod "F*** you, Bethesda" which disables completely the ingame mod store in menus and the messages on the main menu.
So yeah, they would have to undo all they have done to keep the game completely open for mods.
You know what would happen? People would go back to Skyrim and play Beyond Skyrim, Skyblivion, Skywind, Enderall... you name it.
But think about it, these aren't your (the player) servers, nor ones you rent and have complete admin control over to add any mod you want then distribute to any client when they log in. Sure Beth could give admin permissions to allow you to upload mods to their server, or they could only allow 'authorized' mods to be added by the player admin.
I mean, as far as how their engine works, it doesn't support multiplayer, that had to be shoe-horned in by a third party. I doubt they'll accept player admins uploading 'Fuck you, Bethesda' mods. So to 'enable the most enjoyable player experience, only curated mods will be allowed'.
Buy now on the Creation Club!!!
Considering their recent track record, which do you think is more likely? I'm holding by my prediction.
agree, or why would your sub give you atoms every month ? it make you feel like the mods are free and then when you want more mods and are out of atoms for the month and decided yourself too buy some mods, well that was your call and easy profit for them.
I do find a bit of genius here for the marketing department. Pay a subscription to play single player.
Point of order, solo is not at all how I play it, nor hunkered down with my group of close friends (I only have one who games), I regularly hang and chat with, get this.....total strangers... weird.
First time this has happened in a game outside of EVE since like 2006 or so.
I'm sure out there somewhere cats and dogs are sleeping together.
Your unbridled joy in your new found social interaction makes me want to buy the game and play with you. But I play starting at 1 AM EST basically and I msged you a few times on PoE and you didn't respond. I was guessing your name was Kyleran.
So you know, it would never work out between us .
But social interaction sounds cool. I get enough of it at work, talk to strangers all day.
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I can't believe how ballsy devs have become of late,they will try and profit off of just about anything that isn't tied down and after ripping you off on an inferior product they gouge you for more.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
It has nothing to do with SP / MP. It has everything to do with the mindset of this horrible company.
They've been at it since Oblivion with varying degree of success. Over the past few years, they've massively increased the effort. There is no reason to believe their future products will not suffer in a similar or worse way.
What do you mean "who cares"? All the rest of us who get this garbage shoved down our throats in almost every single major game released today.
It's exactly because of such short-sighted egotistical 'me me me' view that this industry is in the current state. 'Let the world burn - I'm having fun, so who cares?'
If you are arguing that developers do stupid stuff because they know people buy into it and hence the stuff is now commonplace, id somewhat agree with it, but it is entertainment, go find some other genre to enjoy.
Entertainnent = luxury
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Even here, if you think it through, although this thing is being pitched as "a private server for you and your friends like you asked us to do" everyone knows damn well that what players were really asking for was the ability to play it solo just like all the other Fallout games.
What's really going on here is that they'll be charging you to play a GaaS as a single player game. It's a cunning addition to single player games monetization I personally hadn't seen before.
That the reaction from some is to be apologists by comparing it to how much it would cost to host your own server from a third party misses the whole point: They are monetizing solo FO76 play.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
A replied that I read from a Youtube video.
so now that they been bleeding more money then their making, their trying new tricks. worked with loot boxes when DLC was not selling enough, it could work now. as others have been pointing out this a dangerous first step if accepted as a new practice, as it will bleed into other games and be counted on as potential game revenue. just like 99% of mobile is f2p but can make millions selling you nothing and overpriced at that !
if 1 to 20% is whales spending 1k+ on f2p games and supporting the other 80 to 99 % spending little to nothing, do you think they really care if the majority is pissed? they will try an get a niche market that will spending big and double down making them happy, with the random F2P on the side happy to get too join in on the scarps since HEY, it free !
The future is bright!
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And buying the yearly sub takes it down to $8.33 a month which is cheaper than any other sub out there? Seems worthwhile if a "private instance" is your thing.
Pay a subscription to play single player.
First time this has happened in a game outside of EVE since like 2006 or so.
I'm sure out there somewhere cats and dogs are sleeping together.
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― CD PROJEKT RED
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So you know, it would never work out between us
But social interaction sounds cool. I get enough of it at work, talk to strangers all day.
Cryomatrix
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.