If you're adverse to change and uncertainty investing money on crowdfunded video-games might not the best decision.
Just because some were gullible enough to mistake crowdfunding with a pre-order doesnt mean they are entitled to act like spoiled brats and throw tantrums because "their special toy" got changed along the way
Maybe certain people should really reflect on what the term "gullible" really means
Every year or so I check in to see if this game is complete and released. And every year it is not.
I believe this game is in generational development. To be carried on by the sons and son of sons much like the Crazy Horse Monument in South Dakota. My grand children will one day play this game when it is is released
If you cant understand or deal with game development issues stay away from crowdfunded projects. Simple
Learn that as a lesson, own it like a grown up and move on instead of becoming toxic to games and their devs.
Also interesting how the haters obsession with Star Citizen and Chris Roberts makes them blind and ignore every other game and dev's around them lol
As if delays, changes in scope or the adittion/scrapping features is something new when developing games.
It's like only Star Citizen exists.
In a way that's how an obsession works and it's sad how toxic "gamers" get because of it.
No wonder dev's are so secretive of their work. Which is sad because it would only benefit the industry if their audience knew more about how hard is to make their entertainement come to life.
If you cant understand or deal with game development issues stay away from crowdfunded projects. Simple
Learn that as a lesson, own it like a grown up and move on instead of becoming toxic to games and their devs.
Also interesting how the haters obsession with Star Citizen and Chris Roberts makes them blind and ignore every other game and dev's around them lol
As if delays, changes in scope or the adittion/scrapping features is something new when developing games.
It's like only Star Citizen exists.
In a way that's how an obsession works and it's sad how toxic "gamers" get because of it.
No wonder dev's are so secretive of their work. Which is sad because it would only benefit the industry if their audience knew more about how hard is to make their entertainement come to life.
Not meant as a criticism but rather as an observation of how games of this scope are developed.
If you cant understand or deal with game development issues stay away from crowdfunded projects. Simple
Learn that as a lesson, own it like a grown up and move on instead of becoming toxic to games and their devs.
Also interesting how the haters obsession with Star Citizen and Chris Roberts makes them blind and ignore every other game and dev's around them lol
As if delays, changes in scope or the adittion/scrapping features is something new when developing games.
It's like only Star Citizen exists.
In a way that's how an obsession works and it's sad how toxic "gamers" get because of it.
No wonder dev's are so secretive of their work. Which is sad because it would only benefit the industry if their audience knew more about how hard is to make their entertainement come to life.
You know, if this was any game but SC you would be crying foul and calling for regulation and shouting bait and switch etc. But because it is SC you are unable to view it with any impartiality at all.
You sold all your objectivity and impartiality for $45....
With all development people expect some change, some missed deadlines and so on but SC is a litany of missed dates, non-delivery, removal of promises etc. Trying to claim it is just like every other project is just disenguinity and/or delusion.
It's not like Star Citizen only exists at all, there's Theranos, Zano etc
The only obsession is the mindless defend at all cost obsession, adding perspective to how flawed "don't be adverse to change" is when viewed in the larger context of SC's promises is perfectly normal. Only a shill would think otherwise....
You know, if this was any game but SC you would be crying foul and calling for regulation and shouting bait and switch etc. But because it is SC you are unable to view it with any impartiality at all.
What a load of rubish. Game development And crowdfunding might be a new thing for you but it's not for everyone. You are backing an idea not on a fixed product. It is not a pre-order.
Games take time to make, delays are the norm, changes during development too. If you're unable to deal with those facts it's your problem.
Btw why aren't you crying about every other games that go through the same then? Why are all the other crowdfunded mmorpgs dealing with the same issues and are not subject to your wrath and almighty scrutiny lol
Only Star Citizen exists for these haters and they prefer to stay oblivious to the outside world because that shows how faulty their reasoning is and exposes their biased negativity towards Star Citizen.
Obsessive and hypocrisy at it's worst.
And they wonder why the community was so happy to get rid of them lol
You know, if this was any game but SC you would be crying foul and calling for regulation and shouting bait and switch etc. But because it is SC you are unable to view it with any impartiality at all.
What a load of rubish. Game development And crowdfunding might be a new thing for you but it's not for everyone. You are backing an idea not on a fixed product. It is not a pre-order.
Games take time to make, delays are the norm, changes during development too. If you're unable to deal with those facts it's your problem.
Btw why aren't you crying about every other games that go through the same then? Why are all the other crowdfunded mmorpgs dealing with the same issues and are not subject to your wrath and almighty scrutiny lol
Only Star Citizen exists for these haters and they prefer to stay oblivious to the outside world because that shows how faulty their reasoning is and exposes their biased negativity towards Star Citizen.
Obsessive and hypocrisy at it's worst.
And they wonder why the community was so happy to get rid of them lol
those other games have raked in over 300 million dollars and have shown some advancement of ACTUAL merit.
They have literally scrapped more things they said they were going to do than actually implemented. And everything they have implemented is either buggy or so bare bones it doesnt come close to qualifying as 'content', its barely beyond proof of concept.
Meanwhile there's no other game that provides all the features Star Citizen already provides which explains it's continuous player growth along with another year of funding records
Meanwhile there's no other game that provides all the features Star Citizen already provides which explains it's continuous player growth along with another year of funding records
What a load of rubish. Game development And crowdfunding might be a new thing for you but it's not for everyone. You are backing an idea not on a fixed product. It is not a pre-order.
Haha, that's so funny. You want to completely ignore the way Roberts presented his ideas. No matter how hard you try you can't rewrite history....
Of course it's a preorder, every bit of it is a preorder. People buy ships as a preorder item.
This is just shill level deflection for a company failing to uphold its promises.
Games take time to make, delays are the norm, changes during development too. If you're unable to deal with those facts it's your problem.
Yeah no shit, but to go from 3 years to 10 years+ is no way what people anticipated. There's an acceptable level of delay, 2-3 years for most people I reckon, not 7+ delay. I've worked on OpenSolaris and FreeBSD, I know what software development is about, I appreciate that rewrites can happen, that unforseen issues can crop up, that compatability issues can occur. Game development is no different.
But here's the thing, why did Roberts not know that? His work in the industry should have given him the insight to know that the bigger the scope the more issue there is for delays, problems etc. Instead he says crap like more money = more developers = bigger product = faster delivery!!
Btw why aren't you crying about every other games that go through the same then? Why are all the other crowdfunded mmorpgs dealing with the same issues and are not subject to your wrath and almighty scrutiny lol
Because why should I? I'm not some anti-crowdfunding evangalist and besides the other space games I follow seem to be handling their development adequately, it's only SC which is tripping over it's own feet every step of the way.
Only Star Citizen exists for these haters and they prefer to stay oblivious to the outside world because that shows how faulty their reasoning is and exposes their biased negativity towards Star Citizen.
If you can't understand why this is an issue then that is your problem. You don't take $240+ million, years of delays and expect everyone to just say, "Oh well that's game development for you!"
All projects are subject to scrutiny but you seem to have this notion that people are picking on SC...
Babuinix said: Obsessive and hypocrisy at it's worst.
The only o deluded ones are the ones who ignore logic and facts. If you cant handle game development and crowdfunding uncertainties stay away from them. Simple as that. Crying about your own mistakes and blaming others wont help. It's your error, might as well own it and move on.
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The only o deluded ones are the ones who ignore logic and facts. If you cant handle game development and crowdfunding uncertainties stay away from them. Simple as that. Crying about your own mistakes and blaming others wont help. It's your error, might as well own it and move on.
Sells the game to include 100 star systems (lol, 5? at launch)
Sells the game to support VR, headtracking etc (3rd party hack/workarounds)
Sells the game to include modding (lol)
Sells the game to include private servers (lol)
Sells the game to include wonderfully complex professions and mechanics (scrapped 2019)
Sells Star Marine for 2015 (lol)
Sells FPS to rival other FPS games (lol)
Sells 3.0 wonder patch for end of 2016 (lol)
Next we have logic. The kickstarter and all of its stretch goals was meant to be achievable for $23 million. They have now spent $300 million and still not achieved just that alone. hence why people say the project is a mess or that it will never be what they said it would be.
Third, this has nothing to do with not understanding or handling game development. Star Citizen is like the government project that was meant to take 5 years and cost $200 million and ended up taking 20 years and costing $1 billion. It is such an anomaly that "YoU dOnT UndERstANd GaeM DevElOpMenT" is hardly applicable.
Forth, no one is crying about their own mistakes. When do you ever see me say I wish I had got a refund?
Fifth, If a company grossly overstates what they expect to deliver/what they are able to deliver - that is on them, not the backers. By your "logic" if people believed CR when he stood on stage and said 3.0 by end of 2016, (but didin't deliver till end of 2017) that is their fault and not his... that is deluded logic.
Backer 1: Hey guys, what happened to this?
Babuinix: Hurr durr Crying about your own mistakes and blaming others wont help. It's your error, might as well own it and move on.
Crowdfunding is not a pre-order. Backing the idea they presented is subjecting yourself to their rules and all the uncertainty that comes with it. No ammount of crying will ever change that. Accept it, learn from it and move on.
I wonder if Pantheon, Ashes of Creation, Crowfall, Chronicles of Elrya, Camelot also have these obsessive haters that cant let go no matter what lol
People tend to talk in terms of ownership, because that is a concept we are used to. I pay $500 for a virtual ship (as if), I own the ship, yes? No. What RSI is conferring is a very limited license to use their software. The terms of that license are in the Terms of Service and also will be in the EULA.
Personally I don't think very many people get this, and RSI is taking people to the cleaners by taking advantage of that lack of knowledge. This is made worse by their use of the term "buy" when you seek to purchase a ship.
Caveat Emptor.
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I don't think the word "buy" should be used in the context of Star Citizen. Today, you cannot "buy" anything. There is nothing for sale, nothing to obtain.
What you can do is donate some money in the hope that at some point in the future, you will have something.
You can buy acess to what's available to playtest now and still fully understand that you're helping fund the development of a video-game project that can and will change along the way. It's not "your game" , those items in your pledge package are not "yours". There's no Me in the equation! You are giving money upfront to someone who presented you an idea/project everything else is a bonus.
And If you decide to do so and back it should be because you fully understand these risks, it's all on you. If you expect that by spending more you're entitled to more it's on you too. Accept the risk, asume it and own It like a mature responsible acting adult
You can buy acess to what's available to playtest now and still fully understand that you're helping fund the development of a video-game project that can and will change along the way. It's not "your game" , those items in your pledge package are not "yours". There's no Me in the equation! You are giving money upfront to someone who presented you an idea/project everything else is a bonus.
And If you decide to do so and back it should be because you fully understand these risks, it's all on you. If you expect that by spending more you're entitled to more it's on you too. Accept the risk, asume it and own It like a mature responsible acting adult
100%
but that doesn't work for the trolls who for some reason are extremely jealous of SC and what they've been able to do with crowdfunding.
So with this Free Fly event they just had a couple weeks ago I decided to check the game out again and started watching various streamers and recently recorded (like, the past month or newer) videos. What I experienced and what anyone can easily see by watching any live streamers playing the game RIGHT NOW, it seems like a LOT of people in this thread are basing everything they say on years old information.
I'm not saying the game is anywhere near complete. I'm not saying that they've added anywhere near all the features they want to yet. I'm not saying that they haven't collected a lot of money from people willing to give their own money to them.
What I AM saying is that if you take a few minutes to watch currently streaming (as in right freaking now you can watch someone live) players, or any number of the huge "New player checking it out!" videos in the last couple weeks there's actually a fun game with various mechanics in place. An alpha, incomplete game, but a game none the less. MUCH more than what most the haters in these threads seem to represent or believe to be true.
Hate all you want, but don't advertise that you're completely ignorant by basing all your "proof" and "facts" on 5 year old information. Some of the haters seem to be SLIGHTLY caught up in what's actually in the game now, but many seem outrageously behind the times.
So with this Free Fly event they just had a couple weeks ago I decided to check the game out again and started watching various streamers and recently recorded (like, the past month or newer) videos. What I experienced and what anyone can easily see by watching any live streamers playing the game RIGHT NOW, it seems like a LOT of people in this thread are basing everything they say on years old information.
I'm not saying the game is anywhere near complete. I'm not saying that they've added anywhere near all the features they want to yet. I'm not saying that they haven't collected a lot of money from people willing to give their own money to them.
What I AM saying is that if you take a few minutes to watch currently streaming (as in right freaking now you can watch someone live) players, or any number of the huge "New player checking it out!" videos in the last couple weeks there's actually a fun game with various mechanics in place. An alpha, incomplete game, but a game none the less. MUCH more than what most the haters in these threads seem to represent or believe to be true.
This thread was literally about a video they released just last week so where you are getting the idea that people are not keeping up with new information beats me..
Sure there is a game but it is so janky, so broken and so badly designed that there is no way it is a good reflection of 8 years work, $300 million or 500 people dev team.
Hate all you want, but don't advertise that you're completely ignorant by basing all your "proof" and "facts" on 5 year old information. Some of the haters seem to be SLIGHTLY caught up in what's actually in the game now, but many seem outrageously behind the times.
And this completely ignores the context for that part of the discussion. Well done.
Just making shit up so the hater label can be thrown around... lol
So with this Free Fly event they just had a couple weeks ago I decided to check the game out again and started watching various streamers and recently recorded (like, the past month or newer) videos. What I experienced and what anyone can easily see by watching any live streamers playing the game RIGHT NOW, it seems like a LOT of people in this thread are basing everything they say on years old information.
I'm not saying the game is anywhere near complete. I'm not saying that they've added anywhere near all the features they want to yet. I'm not saying that they haven't collected a lot of money from people willing to give their own money to them.
What I AM saying is that if you take a few minutes to watch currently streaming (as in right freaking now you can watch someone live) players, or any number of the huge "New player checking it out!" videos in the last couple weeks there's actually a fun game with various mechanics in place. An alpha, incomplete game, but a game none the less. MUCH more than what most the haters in these threads seem to represent or believe to be true.
This thread was literally about a video they released just last week so where you are getting the idea that people are not keeping up with new information beats me..
Sure there is a game but it is so janky, so broken and so badly designed that there is no way it is a good reflection of 8 years work, $300 million or 500 people dev team.
Hate all you want, but don't advertise that you're completely ignorant by basing all your "proof" and "facts" on 5 year old information. Some of the haters seem to be SLIGHTLY caught up in what's actually in the game now, but many seem outrageously behind the times.
And this completely ignores the context for that part of the discussion. Well done.
Just making shit up so the hater label can be thrown around... lol
Yes, the article is about a video. Now read this whole thread of posts. A small percentage of the posts are about the video. The rest of it is "This game is a scam", yadda yadda yadda. Obviously, my comment is related to the vast majority of the other posts in this thread and not about the video. So I guess I should say that your reply completely ignores the context of my post and a majority of the posts in this thread?
And how am I making anything up in my post? It's obvious when it comes to Star Citizen, and obvious reading this thread, that there is a LOT of hate going on. I didn't make that up. I mention there are a load of live streamers and recent videos of people playing the game. I didn't make that up. I didn't make up that I decided to try the game a couple weeks ago. There is in fact a game, and is in fact various mechanics that promote various gameplay loops. That's not made up. I admitted that the game is incomplete, so I didn't make anything up there. I'm starting to wonder if you quoted the wrong post now.
And yes, the game is incomplete. I stated that in my post. Whether or not it's a good reflection of 8 years of work, $300 million, or 500 people dev team, doesn't change the fact that it's still an entertaining piece of software that if a person was bored, enjoyed space games, and had $45 burning a whole in their wallet there are worse things they could spend their money on in my opinion. And that opinion is simply based on me actually installing it and giving it a shot a couple weeks ago.
Did you install it and try playing it for a couple hours during the free fly event? When was the last time you played it to get your current and up to date opinion? Or is your opinion not based on first hand experience?
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Especially since he has never helmed a released game that wasn't supported by the Origin Systems teams of nearly 25 years ago.
But hey, Star Citizen will come out eventually, just not as promised.
If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.
I believe this game is in generational development. To be carried on by the sons and son of sons much like the Crazy Horse Monument in South Dakota. My grand children will one day play this game when it is is released
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Learn that as a lesson, own it like a grown up and move on instead of becoming toxic to games and their devs.
Also interesting how the haters obsession with Star Citizen and Chris Roberts makes them blind and ignore every other game and dev's around them lol
As if delays, changes in scope or the adittion/scrapping features is something new when developing games.
It's like only Star Citizen exists.
In a way that's how an obsession works and it's sad how toxic "gamers" get because of it.
No wonder dev's are so secretive of their work. Which is sad because it would only benefit the industry if their audience knew more about how hard is to make their entertainement come to life.
Games take time to make, delays are the norm, changes during development too. If you're unable to deal with those facts it's your problem.
Btw why aren't you crying about every other games that go through the same then? Why are all the other crowdfunded mmorpgs dealing with the same issues and are not subject to your wrath and almighty scrutiny lol
Only Star Citizen exists for these haters and they prefer to stay oblivious to the outside world because that shows how faulty their reasoning is and exposes their biased negativity towards Star Citizen.
Obsessive and hypocrisy at it's worst.
And they wonder why the community was so happy to get rid of them lol
They have literally scrapped more things they said they were going to do than actually implemented. And everything they have implemented is either buggy or so bare bones it doesnt come close to qualifying as 'content', its barely beyond proof of concept.
Meanwhile there's no other game that provides all the features Star Citizen already provides which explains it's continuous player growth along with another year of funding records
And the best is yet to come
Bring on Citizencon and 3.8 update!
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I wonder if Pantheon, Ashes of Creation, Crowfall, Chronicles of Elrya, Camelot also have these obsessive haters that cant let go no matter what lol
Personally I don't think very many people get this, and RSI is taking people to the cleaners by taking advantage of that lack of knowledge. This is made worse by their use of the term "buy" when you seek to purchase a ship.
Caveat Emptor.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
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And If you decide to do so and back it should be because you fully understand these risks, it's all on you. If you expect that by spending more you're entitled to more it's on you too. Accept the risk, asume it and own It like a mature responsible acting adult
I'm not saying the game is anywhere near complete. I'm not saying that they've added anywhere near all the features they want to yet. I'm not saying that they haven't collected a lot of money from people willing to give their own money to them.
What I AM saying is that if you take a few minutes to watch currently streaming (as in right freaking now you can watch someone live) players, or any number of the huge "New player checking it out!" videos in the last couple weeks there's actually a fun game with various mechanics in place. An alpha, incomplete game, but a game none the less. MUCH more than what most the haters in these threads seem to represent or believe to be true.
Hate all you want, but don't advertise that you're completely ignorant by basing all your "proof" and "facts" on 5 year old information. Some of the haters seem to be SLIGHTLY caught up in what's actually in the game now, but many seem outrageously behind the times.
And how am I making anything up in my post? It's obvious when it comes to Star Citizen, and obvious reading this thread, that there is a LOT of hate going on. I didn't make that up. I mention there are a load of live streamers and recent videos of people playing the game. I didn't make that up. I didn't make up that I decided to try the game a couple weeks ago. There is in fact a game, and is in fact various mechanics that promote various gameplay loops. That's not made up. I admitted that the game is incomplete, so I didn't make anything up there. I'm starting to wonder if you quoted the wrong post now.
And yes, the game is incomplete. I stated that in my post. Whether or not it's a good reflection of 8 years of work, $300 million, or 500 people dev team, doesn't change the fact that it's still an entertaining piece of software that if a person was bored, enjoyed space games, and had $45 burning a whole in their wallet there are worse things they could spend their money on in my opinion. And that opinion is simply based on me actually installing it and giving it a shot a couple weeks ago.
Did you install it and try playing it for a couple hours during the free fly event? When was the last time you played it to get your current and up to date opinion? Or is your opinion not based on first hand experience?