oh good, 20 years of new stats on gear that is only needed for 1 expansion and then becomes useless. Looking at you Light and Radiance and whatever ones I am forgetting. Maybe they are talking about ways to make us buy cash shop like no more landscape keys.
Hyper-optimism. Understandable from PR point of view when you must explain how good you are, that you have no problems whatsoever, everything shines and your game will outlast the end of the Earth. In reality we have under-developed systems that makes more annoyance that benefits. Virtue system, for example. My current toon does not finish any virtue increasing deed. One advanced deed - one level of virtues, you outlevel all equipped virtues within one region...and then waste points. Very "wise". We have lag areas (Lag Tirith, Pelenor lag fields). We have systems nobody uses (flower armour anyone?). Speaking on 20 years: what about giving subscribers ALL content for free? Yes, dear SSG, do consider giving expansions for subscribers.
Too expensive! Cannot afford freeloaders subbing for 1 month!
Not a problem. Give to those who subbed for one year.
What about stopping mocking some players with expansion being available 6 months later for Lotro points?
What about developers playing as simple players? Not with powers to give themselves all equipment or one-shotting enemies. I'd like to see developer finishing dragonet slayer in Moria or ice grim slayer (advanced) in Forochel. Or having trouble with locating any group in Mirkwood. Or riding in the dark road int he dark forest near dark river in N.Mirkwood where map is of no help. What about making changes to old instances' rewards? Currently there is little need - oh, that shiny lvl.55 raid armour? Nice, but crafted one at lvl.58 is better. And quest reward and lvl.60 is yet better...so why care for lvl.55 raid armour? What about returning Black keys as in-game items? Opportunity to earn them in game with some quests. Previous system was perfect. Currently...trashboxes are mostly trashed. If they have 20 years of content - what about changing Legendary items so that insane grind of crystals/scrolls stops? That weapon grows as player grows? If they have 20 years of content - well, what about making some quest areas actually reachable? I ran into one fortress, explored everything around it - zero chance to climb to the top where I had my quest. In short: developers, do polish your existing systems before starting something new. And only then would I like to hear about 20 years of content.
oh good, 20 years of new stats on gear that is only needed for 1 expansion and then becomes useless. Looking at you Light and Radiance and whatever ones I am forgetting. Maybe they are talking about ways to make us buy cash shop like no more landscape keys.
sooo.. you say you don't like WoW?
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I like the way that all the MMOs that have already released classic servers (in Lotro legendary servers) now have to have Johnny-come-lately WoW classic referred to so you know what they are.
Lotro is one of those rare MMO's where you don't worry about new content, but it does need a major overhaul in terms of performance, UI and so on.
Nope they are not making a LOTR game, they are making game that is also based on Middle Earth lore.
Don't confuse them even more, the silence from both sides of Amazon is confusing enough
Correct though, neither of them will be LotR. The show will be SA, and the game -while not stated any specific year- will be "at a time long before the events of The Lord of the Rings".
How long is "long before" can be up for debate, 50, 100 years, more? Maybe SA too, like the show?
Also, it won't be an MMORPG.
Sure, it can be an MMO, based on how much the term is diluted nowadays, with almost everything is an MMO. They only said so far, it will be an "online game", which can be anything.
Due to Leyou's involvement Warframe could serve as a model, and I guess we can agree it ain't an MMO, let alone MMORPG.
With the size of the world then yes I see 20 years worth of content if they can get ICE license for Middle Earth Roleplaying Game to implent into LOTRO.
This is sad news, if this game will survive this long ( no offense to the people who are still playing it ).
I would rather see a new LoTR MMo then see this around for this long.
No you wouldn't, or you would be playing this. No LOTR MMO is going to do the content as much justice as this one does. If you want Warcraft set in a LOTR universe sure.....but not if you want real Tolkien.
And I would even say that Warcraft like game would not be the worse result. Problem is, that games which are done these days are just shallow boring sh.. done for even our plumber's grandpa. You will do max lvl in one week and then just pvp because there is nothing more to do. I would kill for exactly the same lotro, re-done in for example Black Desert online engine with that lvl of details BDO have a graphic style re-done by ppl who did lotro. That would be great. I do consider lotro for one of best MMOs ever done.
There contract for the IP is on a year to year bases dependent on revenue generated ..
Dont matter how many years of imaginary content they have
Wrong it is not year to year, they are currently in a 10 year contract.
Wrong, he was right in that the Tolkien estate constantly evaluate their contract year to year especially with the new Tolkien mmo being made for them by a different company.
The Tolkien Estate really doesn't have a say and hasn't for quite a while. They leased the rights to Saul Zaentz and his (now) Middle Earth Enterprises (formerly Tolkien Enterprises).
Saul holds the gaming licenses, although the Estate did sue saying when they leased out Tokien's works it wasn't for video games. I don't think they got anywhere with the suit though.
The announcement of "20 years worth" could be an attempt to lure the money-hemorrhaging crowdfunding whales into their camp. After all, if people have to hemorrhage money, what business wouldn't want to be the recipient? There's nothing magic about SSG that makes them exempt from wanting/needing money.
More likely though, the 20 years comment is more likely an attempt to keep their game from being depopulated if and when the competing MMO launches. Preemptive marketing/PR against possible competition.
In any case, the Tolkien Estate still firmly controls the IP and *could* revoke (or not renew) the SSG license, especially if it is seen to be detrimental to their (TE's) income. But as @Torval suggested above, any predictions of what the Tolkien lawyers decide to do or not do is pure speculation. Fun, but ultimately only personal opinions.
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SSG's stuck with this hardware unless they actually spend time trying to crack it. They added some 'graphical improvements' to the Legacy servers, but a lot of them are messed up on my side. Bushes that look huge/pixelated, stuff like that.
I hate the launcher also, and hear it actually works better thru Steam, which is weird/sad.
I'm not sure if I can play this specific game for another 20 years, but I love the lore.
There contract for the IP is on a year to year bases dependent on revenue generated ..
Dont matter how many years of imaginary content they have
Wrong it is not year to year, they are currently in a 10 year contract.
Wrong, he was right in that the Tolkien estate constantly evaluate their contract year to year especially with the new Tolkien mmo being made for them by a different company.
Not true!
Do you really think anyone would invest in a MMO that was based on 1 year contracts? You must never have been in business to make that mistake!
SSG's stuck with this hardware unless they actually spend time trying to crack it. They added some 'graphical improvements' to the Legacy servers, but a lot of them are messed up on my side. Bushes that look huge/pixelated, stuff like that.
I hate the launcher also, and hear it actually works better thru Steam, which is weird/sad.
I'm not sure if I can play this specific game for another 20 years, but I love the lore.
Gut Out!
It does work better through steam.
Probably because Steam puts things "exactly" where they should be with the correct permissions. When I used their launcher I kept getting an error message that the game couldn't find some files. Of course, I don't have the game under a default folder and lord knows what issues the game has when the install is in one place but "other files" are in other places.
Installing with steam fixed all that.
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There contract for the IP is on a year to year bases dependent on revenue generated ..
Dont matter how many years of imaginary content they have
Wrong it is not year to year, they are currently in a 10 year contract.
Wrong, he was right in that the Tolkien estate constantly evaluate their contract year to year especially with the new Tolkien mmo being made for them by a different company.
Not true!
Do you really think anyone would invest in a MMO that was based on 1 year contracts? You must never have been in business to make that mistake!
I believe the *initial* agreement with Turbine was 10 or 15 years (10 year post-release is what I've heard, not covering permission for development). After that period, it was renewed on some periodic basis. It may be a 5 year license renewal. My gut says "no", though. It isn't uncommon for IPs to be renewed annually, usually at the time payment is due. With TE and their lawyers, who really knows for certain.
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In reality we have under-developed systems that makes more annoyance that benefits. Virtue system, for example. My current toon does not finish any virtue increasing deed. One advanced deed - one level of virtues, you outlevel all equipped virtues within one region...and then waste points. Very "wise". We have lag areas (Lag Tirith, Pelenor lag fields). We have systems nobody uses (flower armour anyone?).
Speaking on 20 years: what about giving subscribers ALL content for free? Yes, dear SSG, do consider giving expansions for subscribers.
What about making changes to old instances' rewards? Currently there is little need - oh, that shiny lvl.55 raid armour? Nice, but crafted one at lvl.58 is better. And quest reward and lvl.60 is yet better...so why care for lvl.55 raid armour?
What about returning Black keys as in-game items? Opportunity to earn them in game with some quests. Previous system was perfect. Currently...trashboxes are mostly trashed.
If they have 20 years of content - what about changing Legendary items so that insane grind of crystals/scrolls stops? That weapon grows as player grows?
If they have 20 years of content - well, what about making some quest areas actually reachable? I ran into one fortress, explored everything around it - zero chance to climb to the top where I had my quest.
In short: developers, do polish your existing systems before starting something new. And only then would I like to hear about 20 years of content.
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Lotro is one of those rare MMO's where you don't worry about new content, but it does need a major overhaul in terms of performance, UI and so on.
Nope they are not making a LOTR game, they are making game that is also based on Middle Earth lore.
Guess you haven't read Tolkien works.
And I would even say that Warcraft like game would not be the worse result. Problem is, that games which are done these days are just shallow boring sh.. done for even our plumber's grandpa. You will do max lvl in one week and then just pvp because there is nothing more to do. I would kill for exactly the same lotro, re-done in for example Black Desert online engine with that lvl of details BDO have a graphic style re-done by ppl who did lotro. That would be great. I do consider lotro for one of best MMOs ever done.
The Tolkien Estate really doesn't have a say and hasn't for quite a while. They leased the rights to Saul Zaentz and his (now) Middle Earth Enterprises (formerly Tolkien Enterprises).
Saul holds the gaming licenses, although the Estate did sue saying when they leased out Tokien's works it wasn't for video games. I don't think they got anywhere with the suit though.
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I hate the launcher also, and hear it actually works better thru Steam, which is weird/sad.
I'm not sure if I can play this specific game for another 20 years, but I love the lore.
Gut Out!
What, me worry?
Do you really think anyone would invest in a MMO that was based on 1 year contracts? You must never have been in business to make that mistake!
Probably because Steam puts things "exactly" where they should be with the correct permissions. When I used their launcher I kept getting an error message that the game couldn't find some files. Of course, I don't have the game under a default folder and lord knows what issues the game has when the install is in one place but "other files" are in other places.
Installing with steam fixed all that.
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If they have 20 years of a business mapped out, they are getting a raise, correct?