PvP games are getting some bad news lately. First New World then this one. On the other hand there are no PvE games aside from Pantheon so understandable if there are only PvP MMORPGs being developed they would also face a higher percentage of failures.
Not sure how the backers can reconcile this. Will not blame them for feeling betrayed.
CSE is using already developed, existing tech and assets to create much smaller scope game.
PVE isn't going to be part of CU is because of format - MMO(RPG). Creating narrated, PVE driven content we are used in terms of RPG/MMORPG games is indeed expensive, but that isn't the case of Colossus.
Nothing particularly odd here, yet people are going ape mode. Business as usual.
Damn, I think that's the first time I've ever agreed with you. And I'm sober too!
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CSE is using already developed, existing tech and assets to create much smaller scope game.
PVE isn't going to be part of CU is because of format - MMO(RPG). Creating narrated, PVE driven content we are used in terms of RPG/MMORPG games is indeed expensive, but that isn't the case of Colossus.
Nothing particularly odd here, yet people are going ape mode. Business as usual.
But wasn't Mr. Jacobs' reason for "mainly PvP" to save time with fewer assets? And here we have a "mainly PvE" co-op game. Where are these apparently "time consuming assets" coming from?
PS: if you cut this reply down to the 1 or 4 words to further your cause, taking it out of context you're finally blocked.
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
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Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
CSE is using already developed, existing tech and assets paid for in part by the CU backers to create much smaller scope game.
Had to correct this so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
No one would care if they developed a new game after releasing the first, but as it stands now, the outrage is not unreasonable especially since Mark just said last year doing such a move would not be "right" with CU still outstanding.
I get it, they don't have the money to quickly finish CU, Mark even implied such in the interview saying if Ragnarok isn't commercially successful CU will still come out, albeit at a much slower pace.
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Chris Roberts, Brad McQuaid (RIP), Richard Garriott the list goes on and on I’m sure of people cashing in on their name of fame.
Anything short of releasing an off the charts kickA$$ game unlike anyone could have ever dreamed of, will redeem that.
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Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
It's not the people that backed that didn't understand. Mark set the dates.
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Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
It's not the people that backed that didn't understand. Mark set the dates.
Haven't you noticed that all of these dates that are set at the time of the KS campaign by every one of these MMO projects are laughably optimistic in the extreme? My theory as I've posted numerous times, is that this is deliberate because you wouldn't pledge if they were realistic and said 6-9 years.
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Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
It's not the people that backed that didn't understand. Mark set the dates.
If you believed they would develop an engine , then a finished game in that engine in 5 years, you didn't understand.
Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
It's not the people that backed that didn't understand. Mark set the dates.
If you believed they would develop an engine , then a finished game in that engine in 5 years, you didn't understand.
Well, being just an armchair developer I had very strong doubts but Mark, the seasoned industry expert assured us he could pull it off in two or so years, for "reasons" so who was I to doubt?
I'm the one proven right in the end, that's who.
Of course, I'm not one to assume people, even Dev leads intentionally lie to accomplish their goals, so here Mark either fabulously lied or...wasn't nearly the expert he portrayed himself as being.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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People can say a lot about Star Citizen and it's launch delays, but at least we have been playing various iterations of Beta releases and currently with latest beta there is a quite a huge chunk of the game playable now.
Mark Jacobs still hasn't practically showed anything at all after more than 7 years in comparison. All he has shown so far is Concept art after concept art, render after render....which is getting old after 7 years!
I have a strong feeling CU is turning out to be nothing but Vaporware and currently created assets and resources, paid for by backers and investors will now be (mis)used for this new quick Cashgrab game!
You would have thought, that after his whole Warhammer Online fiasco, that people know better. It's the same with Richard Garriott, who has been robbing gullable people's wallets with his latest endavour.
Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
It's not the people that backed that didn't understand. Mark set the dates.
If you believed they would develop an engine , then a finished game in that engine in 5 years, you didn't understand.
A few points here:
1. It wasn't 5 years. The ETA was 2 years. It's now going on 7 years. I wasn't the one that said they could create the engine and release the game in 2 years. That was Mark. 2. If I take a developer at his word, I get told I should have known better, but if during the funding phase of a game (or beyond) I point out that 2 years is not enough time to make an MMO I get called a negative troll and Harbinger.
No. Sorry. The developer owns the timeline. It's not in any way on the consumer. This is all the developer. That said, CU was unique in that it offers refunds so someone who is frustrated can get their cash back. I think that makes a huge difference because that is actually a mechanism for accountability that is missing from other crowdfunded games. Now we will see if CU honors those requests. If they do, and continue to release a game... that sets the gold standard for other companies. At least regarding refunds.
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People can say a lot about Star Citizen and it's launch delays, but at least we have been playing various iterations of Beta releases and currently with latest beta there is a quite a huge chunk of the game playable now.
Mark Jacobs still hasn't practically showed anything at all after more than 7 years in comparison. All he has shown so far is Concept art after concept art, render after render....which is getting old after 7 years!
I have a strong feeling CU is turning out to be nothing but Vaporware and currently created assets and resources, paid for by backers and investors will now be (mis)used for this new quick Cashgrab game!
You would have thought, that after his whole Warhammer Online fiasco, that people know better.
Thats not true. I have played various updates of the game through the years. And I'm not a high money backer but one of the lower Kickstarter ones.
Now whether I liked what I played is a different conversation but to say he has only shown concept art is wrong.
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Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
It's not the people that backed that didn't understand. Mark set the dates.
If you believed they would develop an engine , then a finished game in that engine in 5 years, you didn't understand.
A few points here:
1. It wasn't 5 years. The ETA was 2 years. It's now going on 7 years. I wasn't the one that said they could create the engine and release the game in 2 years. That was Mark. 2. If I take a developer at his word, I get told I should have known better, but if during the funding phase of a game (or beyond) I point out that 2 years is not enough time to make an MMO I get called a negative troll and Harbinger.
No. Sorry. The developer owns the timeline. It's not in any way on the consumer. This is all the developer. That said, CU was unique in that it offers refunds so someone who is frustrated can get their cash back. I think that makes a huge difference because that is actually a mechanism for accountability that is missing from other crowdfunded games. Now we will see if CU honors those requests. If they do, and continue to release a game... that sets the gold standard for other companies. At least regarding refunds.
Well you knew damn well that the timeline was bullshit here and especially so in CoE and so did they. You shouldn't be calling them on the timeline but on the original marketing lie.
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Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
It's not the people that backed that didn't understand. Mark set the dates.
Haven't you noticed that all of these dates that are set at the time of the KS campaign by every one of these MMO projects are laughably optimistic in the extreme? My theory as I've posted numerous times, is that this is deliberate because you wouldn't pledge if they were realistic and said 6-9 years.
I agree and in most cases there is no accountability. They try to keep your money and say tough luck. With CU there is supposed to be accountability via the refund process. We will see if that holds up under stress.
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Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
It's not the people that backed that didn't understand. Mark set the dates.
If you believed they would develop an engine , then a finished game in that engine in 5 years, you didn't understand.
A few points here:
1. It wasn't 5 years. The ETA was 2 years. It's now going on 7 years. I wasn't the one that said they could create the engine and release the game in 2 years. That was Mark. 2. If I take a developer at his word, I get told I should have known better, but if during the funding phase of a game (or beyond) I point out that 2 years is not enough time to make an MMO I get called a negative troll and Harbinger.
No. Sorry. The developer owns the timeline. It's not in any way on the consumer. This is all the developer. That said, CU was unique in that it offers refunds so someone who is frustrated can get their cash back. I think that makes a huge difference because that is actually a mechanism for accountability that is missing from other crowdfunded games. Now we will see if CU honors those requests. If they do, and continue to release a game... that sets the gold standard for other companies. At least regarding refunds.
Well you knew damn well that the timeline was bullshit here and especially so in CoE and so did they. You shouldn't be calling them on the timeline but on the original marketing lie.
I prefer to leave it to them to identify if they lied or are just utterly incompetent.
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People can say a lot about Star Citizen and it's launch delays, but at least we have been playing various iterations of Beta releases and currently with latest beta there is a quite a huge chunk of the game playable now.
Mark Jacobs still hasn't practically showed anything at all after more than 7 years in comparison. All he has shown so far is Concept art after concept art, render after render....which is getting old after 7 years!
I have a strong feeling CU is turning out to be nothing but Vaporware and currently created assets and resources, paid for by backers and investors will now be (mis)used for this new quick Cashgrab game!
You would have thought, that after his whole Warhammer Online fiasco, that people know better.
Thats not true. I have played various updates of the game through the years. And I'm not a high money backer but one of the lower Kickstarter ones.
Now whether I liked what I played is a different conversation but to say he has only shown concept art is wrong.
You mean those couple old Pre-Alpha 1 gameplay footage videos on the CU website? lol. /shrug
I mean sorry, but if someone goes to the CU website now and browse the News Updates from the past year, all it still shows are Concept art and 3d renderings. No new gameplay footage, nothing! The game is still pretty much in Pre-Alpha after more than 7 years lol.
Kyleran said: so you understand why some are going "apeshit" right now.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
Look. I'm not asking for a refund and I'm sticking it out with CU but lets be real. They are 5 years late on delivery of their PvP game and just announced production on a diametrically opposed PvE only game which is going to launch first.
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
I think the biggest issue is people who backed didn't realize how much work building an engine with a small team is. Other games with similar amount of time in development (yet still way past expectation-dates) are much farther ahead because they didn't make an engine.
It's not the people that backed that didn't understand. Mark set the dates.
If you believed they would develop an engine , then a finished game in that engine in 5 years, you didn't understand.
A few points here:
1. It wasn't 5 years. The ETA was 2 years. It's now going on 7 years. I wasn't the one that said they could create the engine and release the game in 2 years. That was Mark. 2. If I take a developer at his word, I get told I should have known better, but if during the funding phase of a game (or beyond) I point out that 2 years is not enough time to make an MMO I get called a negative troll and Harbinger.
No. Sorry. The developer owns the timeline. It's not in any way on the consumer. This is all the developer. That said, CU was unique in that it offers refunds so someone who is frustrated can get their cash back. I think that makes a huge difference because that is actually a mechanism for accountability that is missing from other crowdfunded games. Now we will see if CU honors those requests. If they do, and continue to release a game... that sets the gold standard for other companies. At least regarding refunds.
Well you knew damn well that the timeline was bullshit here and especially so in CoE and so did they. You shouldn't be calling them on the timeline but on the original marketing lie.
I prefer to leave it to them to identify if they lied or are just utterly incompetent.
You're much more polite than me but then, I'm 70 - I'm done with being polite.
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
People can say a lot about Star Citizen and it's launch delays, but at least we have been playing various iterations of Beta releases and currently with latest beta there is a quite a huge chunk of the game playable now.
Mark Jacobs still hasn't practically showed anything at all after more than 7 years in comparison. All he has shown so far is Concept art after concept art, render after render....which is getting old after 7 years!
I have a strong feeling CU is turning out to be nothing but Vaporware and currently created assets and resources, paid for by backers and investors will now be (mis)used for this new quick Cashgrab game!
You would have thought, that after his whole Warhammer Online fiasco, that people know better.
Thats not true. I have played various updates of the game through the years. And I'm not a high money backer but one of the lower Kickstarter ones.
Now whether I liked what I played is a different conversation but to say he has only shown concept art is wrong.
You mean those couple old Pre-Alpha 1 gameplay footage videos on the CU website? lol. /shrug
I mean sorry, but if someone goes to the CU website now and browse the News Updates from the past year, all it still shows are Concept art and 3d renderings. No new gameplay footage, nothing! The game is still pretty much in Pre-Alpha after more than 7 years lol.
No. I mean the tests the backers can join...
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Not sure how the backers can reconcile this. Will not blame them for feeling betrayed.
There is no single, sensible reason why to be upset about Colossus. Not a single one.
Nothing to understand but the fact that people are...people...and some have mental limitations...
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Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Nope, indeed nothing odd.See, business as usual.
/bravo
Maybe post something worth it if you don't like being called out?
I fully understand Mark's argument, unsure if I fully buy it but regardless... it's fairly sensible for some backers to have a problem with it and I have no problem whatsoever with people taking up the refund path. That's why it was always important to me that there be such a path. Now backers actually have a recourse when they feel a developer has not delivered on their half of the bargain.
The ball is now in Mark's court again to SHOW the benefit of this to the CU backers.
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I'm the one proven right in the end, that's who.
Of course, I'm not one to assume people, even Dev leads intentionally lie to accomplish their goals, so here Mark either fabulously lied or...wasn't nearly the expert he portrayed himself as being.
Your choice.
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Mark Jacobs still hasn't practically showed anything at all after more than 7 years in comparison.
All he has shown so far is Concept art after concept art, render after render....which is getting old after 7 years!
I have a strong feeling CU is turning out to be nothing but Vaporware and currently created assets and resources, paid for by backers and investors will now be (mis)used for this new quick Cashgrab game!
You would have thought, that after his whole Warhammer Online fiasco, that people know better.
It's the same with Richard Garriott, who has been robbing gullable people's wallets with his latest endavour.
1. It wasn't 5 years. The ETA was 2 years. It's now going on 7 years. I wasn't the one that said they could create the engine and release the game in 2 years. That was Mark.
2. If I take a developer at his word, I get told I should have known better, but if during the funding phase of a game (or beyond) I point out that 2 years is not enough time to make an MMO I get called a negative troll and Harbinger.
No. Sorry. The developer owns the timeline. It's not in any way on the consumer. This is all the developer. That said, CU was unique in that it offers refunds so someone who is frustrated can get their cash back. I think that makes a huge difference because that is actually a mechanism for accountability that is missing from other crowdfunded games. Now we will see if CU honors those requests. If they do, and continue to release a game... that sets the gold standard for other companies. At least regarding refunds.
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Now whether I liked what I played is a different conversation but to say he has only shown concept art is wrong.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
I mean sorry, but if someone goes to the CU website now and browse the News Updates from the past year, all it still shows are Concept art and 3d renderings.
No new gameplay footage, nothing!
The game is still pretty much in Pre-Alpha after more than 7 years lol.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
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Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018