If there was a lawsuit maybe we would actually get to see those legendary Gantt Charts.
If they Crowd Funded the game, nothing can be done based on the CF EULA. That is why CF is should not be used for major development. All the company has to say is we can't deliver the product and it is done.
I knew before posting the State of Elyria what the response here would be. I don't have a ton to add. For those that are saying CoE was a scam, it wasn't. It never has been. It's been 20 people working passionately every day, for the last few years, trying to bring this world to fruition.
And it's a world that, for most of us, we continue to want to see come to fruition, and will continue to work on in all the ways we can.
For those that are commenting on Settlers of Elyria, it's important to understand that SoE had the potential to not only be our biggest crowdfunding effort to date, but to fund us for years to come. Had SoE been successful, we'd be growing right now, instead of closing. It was a risk we took, but seeing it fail, wasn't something we were willing to risk further.
And to those who are upset that we started SoE, hoping that it would allow us to continue development, I only hope you will some day understand that we owed it to those people who already pledged their support to give the studio every opportunity possible to get the funding it needed.
That's all there really is to say on that. As to what happens next - my hope is that myself and the other devs will continue to interact with folks as often as we can. As our lives change, and we look to the future, we'll be working to bring CoE to you folks as quickly as we can, in whatever way we can.
I'm hoping that many of you look at the communities you've created and decide to stick with those communities, as we haven't given up yet. And I'm hoping to remain involved in the community as much as I can, while we continue development, so you can see that the dedication of the team perseveres.
"And to those who are upset that we started SoE, hoping that it would allow us to continue development, I only hope you will some day understand that we owed it to those people who already pledged their support to give the studio every opportunity possible to get the funding it needed."
Sounds like a pyramid scheme.
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Here's where it could be somewhat fraudulent. It has often been said Jeromy took a $500K mortgage to fund the production "work" done for the KSer and Pax East demos.
Maybe he did or maybe he didn't. I personally don't believe anything that comes out his mouth.
Who knows? Only the Shadow knows
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If there was a lawsuit maybe we would actually get to see those legendary Gantt Charts.
If they Crowd Funded the game, nothing can be done based on the CF EULA. That is why CF is should not be used for major development. All the company has to say is we can't deliver the product and it is done.
Per Kickstarter TOS they are obligated to deliver rewards. According to KS contract law applies. EULA’s, TOS etc usually don’t beat Consumer Protection Laws. The AG of Washington prominently proved that KS projects have to deliver or face fines.
The only question I have is, has anyone seen any evidence of a company? Other team members? People actually doing something? I don't mean a picture of a "board room" with the Unreal Marketplace Parkour Pack playing on projector, I mean something REAL?
Just curious.
A year or so back they posted photos of their new studio, however it was devoid of any people. In recent years their forums never contained any photos of "the team" hard at work, outside of the few conference room shots with a handful visible.
I always wondered if many of the staff actually worked remotely, and questioned how many they actually had after laying off a third of them at the end of 2017.
Caspian would always share info about new hires, but I suspect more often than not they were more to replace those who had left, but it was hard to tell as the roster was never fully shared in recent years.
So since we’re mostly taking his word for it and considering the quality of his word is completely plausible that there wasn’t a team and this entire this was a giant scheme.
If there was a lawsuit maybe we would actually get to see those legendary Gantt Charts.
If they Crowd Funded the game, nothing can be done based on the CF EULA. That is why CF is should not be used for major development. All the company has to say is we can't deliver the product and it is done.
Per Kickstarter TOS they are obligated to deliver rewards. According to KS contract law applies. EULA’s, TOS etc usually don’t beat Consumer Protection Laws. The AG of Washington prominently proved that KS projects have to deliver or face fines.
PER KS TOS, you are not guaranteed the success of any product, even if it meets its funding goal.
The only requirement of KS Creator is they make a earnest effort and invest the money into the project. IE: They have to use the money for what they said they were going to use the money for.
They are still allowed to be incompetent imbeciles even if they have a good idea, in that vein, KS makes it very clear, that It is purely upon the donor to do their due diligence and not invest their money into a moron.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I never would have. I mean, if this was me, I think I would have given myself maybe a 6 month window past the deadline to get it done, contingent upon where I was and the reality of turning something around. But, if I was in Caspian's place knowing I could be years off, and things going to shit around me, I would closed doors and walked away. Maybe try a small scale project, like a labor of love among friends, that we did between our work hours, and maybe, if I was somewhere solid in a few years, like a playable Alpha, I might consider trying again... given how much people shat all over him, I can legit say, I don't think I would ever be inspired to crowdfund a project again.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
If there was a lawsuit maybe we would actually get to see those legendary Gantt Charts.
If they Crowd Funded the game, nothing can be done based on the CF EULA. That is why CF is should not be used for major development. All the company has to say is we can't deliver the product and it is done.
Per Kickstarter TOS they are obligated to deliver rewards. According to KS contract law applies. EULA’s, TOS etc usually don’t beat Consumer Protection Laws. The AG of Washington prominently proved that KS projects have to deliver or face fines.
PER KS TOS, you are not guaranteed the success of any product, even if it meets its funding goal.
The only requirement of KS Creator is they make a earnest effort and invest the money into the project. IE: They have to use the money for what they said they were going to use the money for.
They are still allowed to be incompetent imbeciles even if they have a good idea, in that vein, KS makes it very clear, that It is purely upon the donor to do their due diligence and not invest their money into a moron.
That’s the backer part of their TOS. I’m talking about the campaign runners part. They are obligated to deliver the rewards when fully funded.
Now, how enforceable that is, is another story. But there’s a couple of instances where things went in favor of backers and refunds, despite some TOS saying otherwise.
It always depends on how the underlying contracts are evaluated and which laws are applied. This, of course, can go both ways and usually backers get the end of the stick, simply because making your case is much more costly than your claims.
If there was a lawsuit maybe we would actually get to see those legendary Gantt Charts.
If they Crowd Funded the game, nothing can be done based on the CF EULA. That is why CF is should not be used for major development. All the company has to say is we can't deliver the product and it is done.
Per Kickstarter TOS they are obligated to deliver rewards. According to KS contract law applies. EULA’s, TOS etc usually don’t beat Consumer Protection Laws. The AG of Washington prominently proved that KS projects have to deliver or face fines.
Only as good as the local laws. That is why Kickstarter rules need to be further tightened and redone to protect investors.
If there was a lawsuit maybe we would actually get to see those legendary Gantt Charts.
If they Crowd Funded the game, nothing can be done based on the CF EULA. That is why CF is should not be used for major development. All the company has to say is we can't deliver the product and it is done.
Per Kickstarter TOS they are obligated to deliver rewards. According to KS contract law applies. EULA’s, TOS etc usually don’t beat Consumer Protection Laws. The AG of Washington prominently proved that KS projects have to deliver or face fines.
Only as good as the local laws. That is why Kickstarter rules need to be further tightened and redone to protect investors.
Probably would be enough to just include non-security crowdfunding into the crowdfunding act and other (inter)national equivalents.
If there was a lawsuit maybe we would actually get to see those legendary Gantt Charts.
If they Crowd Funded the game, nothing can be done based on the CF EULA. That is why CF is should not be used for major development. All the company has to say is we can't deliver the product and it is done.
Per Kickstarter TOS they are obligated to deliver rewards. According to KS contract law applies. EULA’s, TOS etc usually don’t beat Consumer Protection Laws. The AG of Washington prominently proved that KS projects have to deliver or face fines.
PER KS TOS, you are not guaranteed the success of any product, even if it meets its funding goal.
The only requirement of KS Creator is they make a earnest effort and invest the money into the project. IE: They have to use the money for what they said they were going to use the money for.
They are still allowed to be incompetent imbeciles even if they have a good idea, in that vein, KS makes it very clear, that It is purely upon the donor to do their due diligence and not invest their money into a moron.
That’s the backer part of their TOS. I’m talking about the campaign runners part. They are obligated to deliver the rewards when fully funded.
Now, how enforceable that is, is another story. But there’s a couple of instances where things went in favor of backers and refunds, despite some TOS saying otherwise.
It always depends on how the underlying contracts are evaluated and which laws are applied. This, of course, can go both ways and usually backers get the end of the stick, simply because making your case is much more costly than your claims.
Well, I am going to correct you on something, they are only required to deliver the rewards upon successful completion of the project. They can't expect otherwise, as that is simply not feasible to give a reward before the project is at least in a completed state.
Obviously they need to make the Cooler first before they can give it away to their backers, Thus they receive the funding, are required to invest that funding into making the cooler, when they make the cooler, they are required to honor their agreement.
If they realize that short of divine intervention by God almighty they will never make this cooler happen but they already spent the money trying, they get to close the doors, and say "we fucked up, sorry"
The backers are SOL, as you can't get what was never made.
Unrelated to you in any way, but, with the above said, I really hope the haters are happy with themselves, after all, they endlessly mocked and pissed all over his work and progress undermining him and everyone that really wanted this to happen every chance they got.. I sincerely hope they are joyed that he finally closed the doors and walked away.
I find it pitiful that some deny their own involved and still seek to shift blame off themselves,, which is ironic, because they were the same people that fussed that JW should take the blame himself.
I mean really, if you want something to crash and burn and are going to be a douche about it, at least have the balls to break out the marshmallows when it finally happens.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Kickstarter’s terms of use make clear that companies are legally obligated to fulfill the promised rewards or provide consumer refunds. On the website it states: “When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.”
If there was a lawsuit maybe we would actually get to see those legendary Gantt Charts.
If they Crowd Funded the game, nothing can be done based on the CF EULA. That is why CF is should not be used for major development. All the company has to say is we can't deliver the product and it is done.
Per Kickstarter TOS they are obligated to deliver rewards. According to KS contract law applies. EULA’s, TOS etc usually don’t beat Consumer Protection Laws. The AG of Washington prominently proved that KS projects have to deliver or face fines.
PER KS TOS, you are not guaranteed the success of any product, even if it meets its funding goal.
The only requirement of KS Creator is they make a earnest effort and invest the money into the project. IE: They have to use the money for what they said they were going to use the money for.
They are still allowed to be incompetent imbeciles even if they have a good idea, in that vein, KS makes it very clear, that It is purely upon the donor to do their due diligence and not invest their money into a moron.
That’s the backer part of their TOS. I’m talking about the campaign runners part. They are obligated to deliver the rewards when fully funded.
Now, how enforceable that is, is another story. But there’s a couple of instances where things went in favor of backers and refunds, despite some TOS saying otherwise.
It always depends on how the underlying contracts are evaluated and which laws are applied. This, of course, can go both ways and usually backers get the end of the stick, simply because making your case is much more costly than your claims.
Well, I am going to correct you on something, they are only required to deliver the rewards upon successful completion of the project. They can't expect otherwise, as that is simply not feasible to give a reward before the project is at least in a completed state.
Obviously they need to make the Cooler first before they can give it away to their backers, Thus they receive the funding, are required to invest that funding into making the cooler, when they make the cooler, they are required to honor their agreement.
If they realize that short of divine intervention by God almighty they will never make this cooler happen but they already spent the money trying, they get to close the doors, and say "we fucked up, sorry"
The backers are SOL, as you can't get what was never made.
Unrelated to you in any way, but, with the above said, I really hope the haters are happy with themselves, after all, they endlessly mocked and pissed all over his work and progress undermining him and everyone that really wanted this to happen every chance they got.. I sincerely hope they are joyed that he finally closed the doors and walked away.
I find it pitiful that some deny their own involved and still seek to shift blame off themselves,, which is ironic, because they were the same people that fussed that JW should take the blame himself.
I mean really, if you want something to crash and burn and are going to be a douche about it, at least have the balls to break out the marshmallows when it finally happens.
I am sorry but you keep repeating how everybody wanted CoE to crash and burn which simply isn’t true, of course there is the gloating 5% but you get the idea. A lot of fun was made of it but it is quite dishonest to claim that their downfall was somehow not their fault. They literally fucked every. single. thing. up. No one did that to them, none of it.
They messed this up and now they are blame shifting, Corona, investors, backers, aliens, angry goats ate their homework etc. Everybody did it, except them. And now they look like bigger douches, don’t join them please.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
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Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
I am sorry but you keep repeating how everybody wanted CoE to crash and burn which simply isn’t true, of course there is the gloating 5% but you get the idea. A lot of fun was made of it but it is quite dishonest to claim that their downfall was somehow not their fault. They literally fucked every. single. thing. up. No one did that to them, none of it.
They messed this up and now they are blame shifting, Corona, investors, backers, aliens, angry goats ate their homework etc. Everybody did it, except them. And now they look like bigger douches, don’t join them please.
/Cheers, Lahnmir
He is one of the enablers and continues to do so today.
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If there was a lawsuit maybe we would actually get to see those legendary Gantt Charts.
If they Crowd Funded the game, nothing can be done based on the CF EULA. That is why CF is should not be used for major development. All the company has to say is we can't deliver the product and it is done.
Per Kickstarter TOS they are obligated to deliver rewards. According to KS contract law applies. EULA’s, TOS etc usually don’t beat Consumer Protection Laws. The AG of Washington prominently proved that KS projects have to deliver or face fines.
PER KS TOS, you are not guaranteed the success of any product, even if it meets its funding goal.
The only requirement of KS Creator is they make a earnest effort and invest the money into the project. IE: They have to use the money for what they said they were going to use the money for.
They are still allowed to be incompetent imbeciles even if they have a good idea, in that vein, KS makes it very clear, that It is purely upon the donor to do their due diligence and not invest their money into a moron.
That’s the backer part of their TOS. I’m talking about the campaign runners part. They are obligated to deliver the rewards when fully funded.
Now, how enforceable that is, is another story. But there’s a couple of instances where things went in favor of backers and refunds, despite some TOS saying otherwise.
It always depends on how the underlying contracts are evaluated and which laws are applied. This, of course, can go both ways and usually backers get the end of the stick, simply because making your case is much more costly than your claims.
Well, I am going to correct you on something, they are only required to deliver the rewards upon successful completion of the project. They can't expect otherwise, as that is simply not feasible to give a reward before the project is at least in a completed state.
Obviously they need to make the Cooler first before they can give it away to their backers, Thus they receive the funding, are required to invest that funding into making the cooler, when they make the cooler, they are required to honor their agreement.
If they realize that short of divine intervention by God almighty they will never make this cooler happen but they already spent the money trying, they get to close the doors, and say "we fucked up, sorry"
The backers are SOL, as you can't get what was never made.
Unrelated to you in any way, but, with the above said, I really hope the haters are happy with themselves, after all, they endlessly mocked and pissed all over his work and progress undermining him and everyone that really wanted this to happen every chance they got.. I sincerely hope they are joyed that he finally closed the doors and walked away.
I find it pitiful that some deny their own involved and still seek to shift blame off themselves,, which is ironic, because they were the same people that fussed that JW should take the blame himself.
I mean really, if you want something to crash and burn and are going to be a douche about it, at least have the balls to break out the marshmallows when it finally happens.
Fair enough, if I could figure out how to post images on these forums I'd have gone with the one @DMKano shared.
But you can rest assured I'll be dancing over the graves of this and several other KSer MMORPGs for years to come.
Heck, if it makes you happy I'll take the full blame, clearly it was entirely my fault considering what an accomplished influencer in the gaming industry I have become.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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Kickstarter’s terms of use make clear that companies are legally obligated to fulfill the promised rewards or provide consumer refunds. On the website it states: “When a project is successfully funded, the creator must complete the project and fulfill each reward. Once a creator has done so, they’ve satisfied their obligation to their backers.”
If a creator is unable to complete their project and fulfill rewards, they’ve failed to live up to the basic obligations of this agreement. To right this, they must make every reasonable effort to find another way of bringing the project to the best possible conclusion for backers. A creator in this position has only remedied the situation and met their obligations to backers if:
they post an update that explains what work has been done, how funds were used, and what prevents them from finishing the project as planned;
they work diligently and in good faith to bring the project to the best possible conclusion in a timeframe that’s communicated to backers;
they’re able to demonstrate that they’ve used funds appropriately and made every reasonable effort to complete the project as promised;
they’ve been honest, and have made no material misrepresentations in their communication to backers; and
they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.
The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers.
So.. in short. They can fail, and fail miserably, as long as they failed transparently.
Which, for all he may have done wrong, Caspian, has been transparent in this entire clusterfuck of a project, I have to give him that, which is why so many got to see the clusterfuck unfold before them.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I felt that they were deceitful when they announced the original KS was just for the demo far after the KS closed. As much as I dislike Caspien, I do have sympathy for the employees that were let go.
Well, I am going to correct you on something, they are only required to deliver the rewards upon successful completion of the project. They can't expect otherwise, as that is simply not feasible to give a reward before the project is at least in a completed state.
Obviously they need to make the Cooler first before they can give it away to their backers, Thus they receive the funding, are required to invest that funding into making the cooler, when they make the cooler, they are required to honor their agreement.
If they realize that short of divine intervention by God almighty they will never make this cooler happen but they already spent the money trying, they get to close the doors, and say "we fucked up, sorry"
The backers are SOL, as you can't get what was never made.
Unrelated to you in any way, but, with the above said, I really hope the haters are happy with themselves, after all, they endlessly mocked and pissed all over his work and progress undermining him and everyone that really wanted this to happen every chance they got.. I sincerely hope they are joyed that he finally closed the doors and walked away.
I find it pitiful that some deny their own involved and still seek to shift blame off themselves,, which is ironic, because they were the same people that fussed that JW should take the blame himself.
I mean really, if you want something to crash and burn and are going to be a douche about it, at least have the balls to break out the marshmallows when it finally happens.
dude, you are wrong on so many levels it seems like you got a chunk of the change ?
1. forum posts effect nothing in development of a game 2. developers don't spend houurs reading forum post everyday 3. The "development staff" was at a college using free resources 4. The deterioration of what the game was from it first "video"in graphics and animation. 5. The emerging "photo stock" mock ups they they didnt even pay for. As a multimedia creator, when you buy stock photos, ther eis no water mark. 6. the constant increasing of fundraising, as they seemed to have a time table on when they would shut down.
Your comments are so ignorant that I'm almosty 55.9 postitive you worked for them in some capicity much like Avery for nvd/i
Lets play.
1) If you really believed that, you would not be posting on Social Media, and just go about your life, as opposed to shitting on someone else parade through social media. Own up to that if you did it.
2) If you had been paying attention, Caspian directly said he did. As well as the backers and other people. Which if you were shitting all over the game, you should own up to your influence, take a bow and pat yourself on the back for doing what you hoped to accomplish, which was to hurt the game to the point it died.
No.. I don't work for the COE in any direct or indirect manner, I am just a fellow gamer, that if spent several years of my life putting in the effort to shit on a game endlessly, no matter what they did calling it a clsuterfuck from start to end. I would have the brass to not only own up to my role when they finally closed the doors, I'd take pride in it.
To turn around and then try to blame someone else.. that's just bullshit.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I think we can't forget that we can't "shit on a game"it is an entity not a personable being.It is just computer code,the only people we look at are the people directly responsible for the product.
The person in charge is pretty much always to blame,they are in control of their employees,the products,how the community is addressed etc etc.
So Caspian had an idea,what that involved exactly nobody knows but him.I however have my opinion and that is he saw what was happening,how EASY it was for developers to get crowd funding so jumped aboard figuring....what can i lose....nothing.So he figured if this works,awesome,i am well paid,self employed for years to come.
I personally do not think these guys have a choice,they either figure out some con job to make money to survive or they go work for someone else.So he went for the semi con job,semi meaning we really don't know his entire intent.
I am sure he can find employment in the field,just as the ever failing Smedley has but his personal adventures will likely never happen again.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
NONE of these crowd funded games will EVER get my money because i already have the best mmorpg on the planet to play so unless i see a FINISHED ...superior game,i am not biting. I have money,i could crowd fund tons of games,i am just not a sucker.IMO there should be a huge wall of shame showing all the people who give free handouts to game developers.
I kind of get the feeling the guys at the Lucimia guys are kind of honest,likely hard working,likely SERIOUS abotu their game but still i am not giving money to a game developer unless it is a finished BETTER product that what i already have.
EVERYONE should have learned witnessing Smedley at work,he is a con artist,game devs cannot be trusted,ok now go buy The NEW World,Smedley's job depends on it lmao.
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I knew before posting the State of Elyria what the response here would be. I don't have a ton to add. For those that are saying CoE was a scam, it wasn't. It never has been. It's been 20 people working passionately every day, for the last few years, trying to bring this world to fruition.
And it's a world that, for most of us, we continue to want to see come to fruition, and will continue to work on in all the ways we can.
For those that are commenting on Settlers of Elyria, it's important to understand that SoE had the potential to not only be our biggest crowdfunding effort to date, but to fund us for years to come. Had SoE been successful, we'd be growing right now, instead of closing. It was a risk we took, but seeing it fail, wasn't something we were willing to risk further.
And to those who are upset that we started SoE, hoping that it would allow us to continue development, I only hope you will some day understand that we owed it to those people who already pledged their support to give the studio every opportunity possible to get the funding it needed.
That's all there really is to say on that. As to what happens next - my hope is that myself and the other devs will continue to interact with folks as often as we can. As our lives change, and we look to the future, we'll be working to bring CoE to you folks as quickly as we can, in whatever way we can.
I'm hoping that many of you look at the communities you've created and decide to stick with those communities, as we haven't given up yet. And I'm hoping to remain involved in the community as much as I can, while we continue development, so you can see that the dedication of the team perseveres.
Sounds like a pyramid scheme.
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Not sure how accurate this is but it's been pasted around quite a bit
The only requirement of KS Creator is they make a earnest effort and invest the money into the project. IE: They have to use the money for what they said they were going to use the money for.
They are still allowed to be incompetent imbeciles even if they have a good idea, in that vein, KS makes it very clear, that It is purely upon the donor to do their due diligence and not invest their money into a moron.
I never would have. I mean, if this was me, I think I would have given myself maybe a 6 month window past the deadline to get it done, contingent upon where I was and the reality of turning something around. But, if I was in Caspian's place knowing I could be years off, and things going to shit around me, I would closed doors and walked away. Maybe try a small scale project, like a labor of love among friends, that we did between our work hours, and maybe, if I was somewhere solid in a few years, like a playable Alpha, I might consider trying again... given how much people shat all over him, I can legit say, I don't think I would ever be inspired to crowdfund a project again.
Now, how enforceable that is, is another story. But there’s a couple of instances where things went in favor of backers and refunds, despite some TOS saying otherwise.
It always depends on how the underlying contracts are evaluated and which laws are applied. This, of course, can go both ways and usually backers get the end of the stick, simply because making your case is much more costly than your claims.
Well, I am going to correct you on something, they are only required to deliver the rewards upon successful completion of the project. They can't expect otherwise, as that is simply not feasible to give a reward before the project is at least in a completed state.
To use an Example: A Company wants to make the Cooler of the Future, so they promise everyone that invest more than X amount of dollars will get their Bad Ass Cooler.
Obviously they need to make the Cooler first before they can give it away to their backers, Thus they receive the funding, are required to invest that funding into making the cooler, when they make the cooler, they are required to honor their agreement.
If they realize that short of divine intervention by God almighty they will never make this cooler happen but they already spent the money trying, they get to close the doors, and say "we fucked up, sorry"
The backers are SOL, as you can't get what was never made.
This is why Kickstarter makes sure that you realize they do not promise this project won't fail miserably. In fact, roughly 9% of all fully funded kickstarter project do in fact fail.
CoE will just be another pitiful statistic.
Unrelated to you in any way, but, with the above said, I really hope the haters are happy with themselves, after all, they endlessly mocked and pissed all over his work and progress undermining him and everyone that really wanted this to happen every chance they got.. I sincerely hope they are joyed that he finally closed the doors and walked away.
I find it pitiful that some deny their own involved and still seek to shift blame off themselves,, which is ironic, because they were the same people that fussed that JW should take the blame himself.
I mean really, if you want something to crash and burn and are going to be a douche about it, at least have the balls to break out the marshmallows when it finally happens.
taken from: https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/ag-makes-crowdfunded-company-pay-shady-deal
This here could be a similar case, since the project was not completed, no rewards were delivered and there’s currently no intention of completing the project nor giving out refunds.
But we’ll know for sure in a few days, as this is being looked into by folks more versed in legalese already.
They messed this up and now they are blame shifting, Corona, investors, backers, aliens, angry goats ate their homework etc. Everybody did it, except them. And now they look like bigger douches, don’t join them please.
/Cheers,
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It is just huge resource waste....'
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But you can rest assured I'll be dancing over the graves of this and several other KSer MMORPGs for years to come.
Heck, if it makes you happy I'll take the full blame, clearly it was entirely my fault considering what an accomplished influencer in the gaming industry I have become.
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From Kickstarter TOS itself.
- they offer to return any remaining funds to backers who have not received their reward (in proportion to the amounts pledged), or else explain how those funds will be used to complete the project in some alternate form.
The creator is solely responsible for fulfilling the promises made in their project. If they’re unable to satisfy the terms of this agreement, they may be subject to legal action by backers.So.. in short. They can fail, and fail miserably, as long as they failed transparently.
Which, for all he may have done wrong, Caspian, has been transparent in this entire clusterfuck of a project, I have to give him that, which is why so many got to see the clusterfuck unfold before them.
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1) If you really believed that, you would not be posting on Social Media, and just go about your life, as opposed to shitting on someone else parade through social media. Own up to that if you did it.
2) If you had been paying attention, Caspian directly said he did. As well as the backers and other people. Which if you were shitting all over the game, you should own up to your influence, take a bow and pat yourself on the back for doing what you hoped to accomplish, which was to hurt the game to the point it died.
No.. I don't work for the COE in any direct or indirect manner, I am just a fellow gamer, that if spent several years of my life putting in the effort to shit on a game endlessly, no matter what they did calling it a clsuterfuck from start to end. I would have the brass to not only own up to my role when they finally closed the doors, I'd take pride in it.
To turn around and then try to blame someone else.. that's just bullshit.
The person in charge is pretty much always to blame,they are in control of their employees,the products,how the community is addressed etc etc.
So Caspian had an idea,what that involved exactly nobody knows but him.I however have my opinion and that is he saw what was happening,how EASY it was for developers to get crowd funding so jumped aboard figuring....what can i lose....nothing.So he figured if this works,awesome,i am well paid,self employed for years to come.
I personally do not think these guys have a choice,they either figure out some con job to make money to survive or they go work for someone else.So he went for the semi con job,semi meaning we really don't know his entire intent.
I am sure he can find employment in the field,just as the ever failing Smedley has but his personal adventures will likely never happen again.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I have money,i could crowd fund tons of games,i am just not a sucker.IMO there should be a huge wall of shame showing all the people who give free handouts to game developers.
I kind of get the feeling the guys at the Lucimia guys are kind of honest,likely hard working,likely SERIOUS abotu their game but still i am not giving money to a game developer unless it is a finished BETTER product that what i already have.
EVERYONE should have learned witnessing Smedley at work,he is a con artist,game devs cannot be trusted,ok now go buy The NEW World,Smedley's job depends on it lmao.
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