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Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
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Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
There are also many mobile and asian mmorpg not listed on this site, so my guess is there are many mmorpg. But I don't know the number.
Players getting excited about double XP events just tells me 3 things: that the regular XP gains are deliberately inadequate; that XP pots are sold in the cash shop and the events are just a free sample to try to hook you; that the leveling experience - A.K.A. the core game - is something best avoided.
Shame on you
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I'd like to see more sandbox building worlds, fun and varied modes of travel, exotic locations that take days to reach, explore different planes of existence where physics and abilities work different, cool gear that does cool stuff besides +1, unique NPC that are vastly different from each other and etc. Make it rewarding not because you grind or can beat socially bottlenecked game play.
Death penalty can add something back to MMORPG but it's one optional piece. Going to back EQ levels of boredom, grind and penalty is not the answer in my opinion. Great things in that game but there is a reason why advancement methods were mostly dropped.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
But it should normally be very small. Larger penalties for larger things.
PKers should be risking large death penalties, if a game has them.
Players going into the Ancient Demon Liche's Lair to put the final destruction on it, and win a hoard of ancient riches and powerful artifacts, should be risking a large death penalty.
Normal activities should only have a slight penalty.
I think they are needed in order to keep the game from just being win-win all the time.
I also think that the unchallenged march to Max Level or Skills is a bad thing. Having a Maxed out character should be a big deal. It's not because everyone can get there, and stay there forever.
While a small death penalty is nothing for a lower level/skill player to overcome, it should get harder to do at high levels/skills.
Even being at 99% of Max should be a pretty big deal.
Once upon a time....
With that said, in the modern MMO era, the people with money that invest into games, are not investing into many of these ideas
Once upon a time....
Funny little bit of irony that the very same people that don't want to be the "Chosen One" when it's scripted, because then everyone is the Chosen One, all want to be.. The Chosen One.. in some unscripted way, where no one else is the Chosen One.
But see, this is the problem with MMO's, Everyone that wants to be THE Hero also wants that NO ONE else can be The Hero.
That simply does not work in an Multiplayer game.
And you are assuming way too much.
Maybe it's the gamers who want that guaranteed Hero status are the ones who don't want someone else to be the only one, or one of the few?
Is that why some of you expect the guarantee? Because you are afraid that otherwise, you can't achieve it?
And for the record, I myself don't expect that I would ever be "the hero." I don't even play for that.
UO never had "a hero."
They had some famous names, but most of them did that by distinguishing themselves in other ways than beating up on the MOBs.
Names I remember...
- Kazola ran her tavern, first ever player owned and run tavern in MMORPGs.
- Blitz Phoenix was one of the first Rares collectors and provided pics for the page on rare items at Stratics. (There were some others but I don't recall their names.)
- Maximilian was one of the early Mayors of the RP community in Yew, where they even set up a mail service with an address system.
(I met the original mayor, but can't remember his name. I helped him make his final dungeon run in UO, before he left for good. He intended to die in one last adventure.)
Max was one of the best RPers I've ever met, RPing in the moment and making it interesting and fun. (Blitz Phoenix too, for that matter.)
- Gem founded the Fishing Council of Britannia.
- The Museum of Memories was founded by Lorak. I knew him as Samuel (iirc) who was a guild leader of an allied anti-PK guild. The Museum was later taken over by Kaelyn, and then later and possibly last by Jim Spellhurler.
- Spectre was the MOD at a forum known as "The Mage Tower", while UO was in alpha and beta. He built the first in-game Mage Tower, a place for mages to gather and share information.
He later became one of the foremost PKers, and in that status was probably one of the few who were closest to the stereotype of a great fighter of legend.
- The most famous of the stereotypical "fighter" types of fame, I can't remember his name now, but he was actually hired by a company making a new game to help design their PvP. Was that AC? Some of you might recall him if I could remember his name.
- "og" was perhaps one of the most feared and well known PKers/PvPers in all of UO, as well as some other games.
- Platt ran the first major, in-game, auction houses. This was quite a deal. Major "Rare" items were sometimes auctioned off there, as well as lots of other things players wanted.
I always suspected he was also part of the Museum of Memories, but I don't know for sure.
- Tengam made bows. For some reason his bows always performed better. No one knows why, but the word spread among archers on my shard. He wasn't famous game wide, or even among all the players on my shard, but among dedicated archers his name was known.
So you see, most of these "heroes" accomplished it by organization skills, and dedication to something unique. And they did it in a game that was specifically lacking guaranteed "heroism." Because even though UO had Maxed characters just like any other game, and no one will remember the names of those characters, what UO had was a much deeper social aspect to it.
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"And that's why no one will remember your name"
(You are just like everyone else)
Once upon a time....
But then history well remembers the villains, heroes not quite so much?
While most here could recant some story about Ghengis Khan, or Atilla the Hun, few would be able to name the heroes who turned them back, well, at least not without looking it up on Google.
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With that said. Like No Duh. Of course the people that want "Guaranteed Hero" stats want to be the Hero, and they Obviously want everyone else to feel like a hero as well, and thus eliminate the e-peen waving and egotism that often surrounds it.
See that is what primarily divides the two mindsets.
The problem is, that there are too many people that fall in the latter group that want to be heros and famous, all too often fail miserably because they are glory seekers, not decent people, that ends up shining through, and thus they resort to being Trolls for fame, and become the population of PKers, Gankers, and just the Pool Shiters that no one wants in their game to start with, this is because simply put the people that are famous for doing good, are the same people that would be doing good in both gaming environments and become famous for that.
Like in GW2, people like, Dulfy and ThatShaman Legends.
The Whole Server of Jade Quarry was a renowned for being First Place for the longest time, like one huge epic guild.
Equally so. Maguuma is known for being dicks.
You don't need death pens and pvp and all that for people to be famous in games, all you need is people willing to rise up and they will rightfully become legends.
as well as all the safety mechanics in the game won't stop pool shitters from finding a way to become famous for being assholes.
Everyone else can either content themselves with their Scripted Heroism, or deal with being average nobodies in every way in their game world.
And yet you still cling to your assumptions of "people like me."
I guess my explanation fell on deaf ears.
Once upon a time....
I never heard of Fancy the Bard either, since I didn't play EQ.
But those people I mentioned, most of them were famous not for being "evil", but for doing something positive.
I guess it depends on a person's definition of "hero" to an extent.
Once upon a time....
I believe that the contention a preference for lower difficulty is equivalent in all cases to a desire for instant gratification over depth and indicative of a lack of personal pride is an oversimplification with questionable foundation.