My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
I don't believe for one second it's a scam. I do think they had a very rocky start, then finally put together a team but seemingly a team of mixed experience. I also wonder how long they worked until they were "full time."
I've mentioned before speaking with Brad at a PAX East and I asked about other zones and mentioning one of the first zones they showed.
Of the developers there made a comment that it took many iterations and probably needed at least one more. Then Brad turned to him and in a sort of father "I don't want to squash your enthusiasm but I know better" voice said "No, it's fine the way it is it doesn't need any more iterations.
To me that was sort of telling. How much work became people tinkering, iterating over and over before it was realized that they weren't working quickly or efficiently?
I don't know, I'm not a fly on the wall in the studio. Just was my impression.
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My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
SoL is not in the same league as the others. As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries. They are also a team that is all openly new.
The money they have raised is minuscule. Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding. (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)
From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.
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My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
So? I am still waiting for some valid point on this. It is no secret they are not game developer professionals and this was their first venture. They have been pretty open with their entire process.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
So? I am still waiting for some valid point on this. It is no secret they are not game developer professionals and this was their first venture. They have been pretty open with their entire process.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
SoL is not in the same league as the others. As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries. They are also a team that is all openly new.
The money they have raised is minuscule. Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding. (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)
From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
SoL is not in the same league as the others. As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries. They are also a team that is all openly new.
The money they have raised is minuscule. Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding. (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)
From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.
SoL isn’t crowdfunded.
You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
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My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
I don't believe for one second it's a scam. I do think they had a very rocky start, then finally put together a team but seemingly a team of mixed experience. I also wonder how long they worked until they were "full time."
I've mentioned before speaking with Brad at a PAX East and I asked about other zones and mentioning one of the first zones they showed.
Of the developers there made a comment that it took many iterations and probably needed at least one more. Then Brad turned to him and in a sort of father "I don't want to squash your enthusiasm but I know better" voice said "No, it's fine the way it is it doesn't need any more iterations.
To me that was sort of telling. How much work became people tinkering, iterating over and over before it was realized that they weren't working quickly or efficiently?
I don't know, I'm not a fly on the wall in the studio. Just was my impression.
Well, from what I have read, they have been quite transparent about their development process. I am sure one could find some information on various issues they had early on. I do know they mentioned that they were working on the game part time (I think the Stage two Alpha said that they have had anywhere from 10-20 people working at any time and it was all without pay, after their main jobs). It also states they began officially in 2014.
Design paralysis is a major problem in software development, which is why it is paramount that the developers follow a solid development structure and spend the appropriate time in their design/requirements phase. It is why I really dislike development with more modern less structured development processes. I have seen them often do more harm than good, especially in various game development projects.
I think that SoL started out thinking this would be a lot easier than they expected and so became overly confident in their dates. From what I have seen so far, it appears they have made some advances in this area and became more structured.
Time will tell, and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss another date, but so far, as I said... I see them being quite a bit more organized and structured than I do Pantheon.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it?
Uhhh... lol.
*chuckle*
Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you?
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it?
Uhhh... lol.
*chuckle*
Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you?
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
So? I am still waiting for some valid point on this. It is no secret they are not game developer professionals and this was their first venture. They have been pretty open with their entire process.
So again, what is your point?
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
You might need to reboot, your logic processor is in a loop.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
SoL is not in the same league as the others. As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries. They are also a team that is all openly new.
The money they have raised is minuscule. Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding. (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)
From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.
SoL isn’t crowdfunded.
You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it?
Uhhh... lol.
*chuckle*
Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you?
I call it ad hominem. And really just stupid.
It isn't a personal attack if it is true. You very clearly stated you were on a crusade to stamp out misinformation. What do you think a social justice warrior does? They fight for the truth of mankind, to stamp out all evil everywhere, to correct the ignorant, to bring light to the darkness, truth and justice to the wicked!
*chuckle*
Also note I am not using this as a means to dismiss your argument (that is what would make it a fallacy), I am merely commenting on your self proclaimed reasoning here.
You are welcome to answer the question I asked about what your point is? Your last response merely repeated its exact phrasing, hence my joke about you caught in a logic loop.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it?
Uhhh... lol.
*chuckle*
Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you?
I call it ad hominem. And really just stupid.
It isn't a personal attack if it is true. You very clearly stated you were on a crusade to stamp out misinformation. What do you think a social justice warrior does? They fight for the truth of mankind, to stamp out all evil everywhere, to correct the ignorant, to bring light to the darkness, truth and justice to the wicked!
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
SoL is not in the same league as the others. As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries. They are also a team that is all openly new.
The money they have raised is minuscule. Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding. (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)
From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.
SoL isn’t crowdfunded.
You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business.
They have investors and they also make money by their supporters with pre-orders/tester pledges.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it?
Uhhh... lol.
*chuckle*
Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you?
I call it ad hominem. And really just stupid.
It isn't a personal attack if it is true. You very clearly stated you were on a crusade to stamp out misinformation. What do you think a social justice warrior does? They fight for the truth of mankind, to stamp out all evil everywhere, to correct the ignorant, to bring light to the darkness, truth and justice to the wicked!
*chuckle*
Weird.
That may be, but you still haven't attended to my question about the 3 years comment.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
I'm really just interested in squashing the silly misrepresentation that guy puts out.
Ah, a social justice warrior. Who woulda thunk it?
Uhhh... lol.
*chuckle*
Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you?
I call it ad hominem. And really just stupid.
It isn't a personal attack if it is true. You very clearly stated you were on a crusade to stamp out misinformation. What do you think a social justice warrior does? They fight for the truth of mankind, to stamp out all evil everywhere, to correct the ignorant, to bring light to the darkness, truth and justice to the wicked!
*chuckle*
Weird.
That may be, but you still haven't attended to my question about the 3 years comment.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
SoL is not in the same league as the others. As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries. They are also a team that is all openly new.
The money they have raised is minuscule. Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding. (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)
From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.
SoL isn’t crowdfunded.
You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business.
It's both supported by Crowdfunding and private investment. So is Crowfall, Camelot Unchained, Star Citizen and Pantheon...
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My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
SoL is not in the same league as the others. As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries. They are also a team that is all openly new.
The money they have raised is minuscule. Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding. (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)
From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.
SoL isn’t crowdfunded.
You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business.
My point? Expect renfail to pop up around Christmas for another alpha “phase” presale.
Same thing for years bro...
I am not sure how missing one date validates the premise that the game is a scam.
If that is the case, then every game here is a scam.
It's not a scam.
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
Par for the course but in Renfail's case I cut him some slack, he really was new to all of this, unlike some others that should have known better.
SoL is not in the same league as the others. As far as I know, it's the only one where the main creators are doing it on their off-time and not drawing salaries. They are also a team that is all openly new.
The money they have raised is minuscule. Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding. (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)
From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.
SoL isn’t crowdfunded.
You want to reconsider that statement? Or explain?
Stormhaven Studios(SoL) is not a crowdfunded business. It’s an investor funded business.
They have investors and they also make money by their supporters with pre-orders/tester pledges.
Do you really think that they are selling the game for 500 bucks? You must understand this is a crowd fund pledge right?
Those are preorders. By that definition, every video game for the past 20 years are crowdfunded.
The $500 one includes 4 game codes total, 6 month subscription, a cloth map that sells separately for $115, and 7 beta codes. Games have been selling CE for $100-$200 for years. So that’s not an unreasonable asking price for a preorder, considering the value of what it offers.
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They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
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The money they have raised is minuscule. Now they are not publishing numbers, but I would eat my hat if they raised anything close to a million from Crowdfunding. (My actual guess is that it's closer to 100k than 1M)
From what I see, it's really just a hobby that they are hoping can turn into a legitimate business. Hugely skeptical that this thing will successfully take flight, but I cut them a lot more slack than the other teams based on what I listed above.
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So again, what is your point?
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
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Well, from what I have read, they have been quite transparent about their development process. I am sure one could find some information on various issues they had early on. I do know they mentioned that they were working on the game part time (I think the Stage two Alpha said that they have had anywhere from 10-20 people working at any time and it was all without pay, after their main jobs). It also states they began officially in 2014.
Design paralysis is a major problem in software development, which is why it is paramount that the developers follow a solid development structure and spend the appropriate time in their design/requirements phase. It is why I really dislike development with more modern less structured development processes. I have seen them often do more harm than good, especially in various game development projects.
I think that SoL started out thinking this would be a lot easier than they expected and so became overly confident in their dates. From what I have seen so far, it appears they have made some advances in this area and became more structured.
Time will tell, and I wouldn't be surprised if they miss another date, but so far, as I said... I see them being quite a bit more organized and structured than I do Pantheon.
Well, you seemed adamant about carrying the cross to fight all the evil you perceived being done by "misinformation". I think the description is quite apt don't you?
*chuckle*
Also note I am not using this as a means to dismiss your argument (that is what would make it a fallacy), I am merely commenting on your self proclaimed reasoning here.
You are welcome to answer the question I asked about what your point is? Your last response merely repeated its exact phrasing, hence my joke about you caught in a logic loop.
https://sagaoflucimia.com/pre-orders/
Do you really think that they are selling the game for 500 bucks? You must understand this is a crowd fund pledge right?
Again, what point do you have?
They missed the date by 3 years... so far.
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